IGN Top 100 Games of ALL TIME, 2007 edition

[schild]

Bombjack, specifically Mighty Bombjack is one of my favorite games ever made. I've been looking for a decent arcade kit of it for a while.

Also, Solomon's Key.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

I think it would be cool if we all did like a top 20 games. I am sure we would get some surprises in there. We could try to say away from the whole, importance to the gaming industry /community and stay more at the personal tastes level. I would like to see that.

[schild]

But with rules like, only 1 entry from a series perhaps?

[cmlancas]

I'd want to put SMB3 and Mario64 and possibly Zelda OoT and LttP in there. I've broken your rule twice already!

[schild]

Ok. I'm just going to make the topic. two pms and a buncha ims have broken my shift key.

[Lucas]

But with rules like, only 1 entry from a series perhaps?

You know, I'm not that sure about that, it depends on the genre and on the series. For example, it's largely inapplicable for the Ultima saga, while it may be reasonable for other genres and series. I say leave it free.

[schild]

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=11500.new#new <- JOIN IN THE DRAMA.

Neg.

You have to pick.

Super Metroid or Metroid
Half-Life 1 or 2
Final Fantasy IV or VI (or... VII?!)
SMB or SMB3

These will give me harder numbers to datamine as it makes the decisions more exact. People can look back and say, holy shit I picked SMBW over SMB3. Or, wtf? LttP was Better than OoT.

[lamaros]

My entirely cliche list:

Thief
Dune2
Medievia (a MUD) - Of course this is impossible now. The MUD has changed so much and the old fun and population will never be recaptured.
Betrayal at Krondor
Syndicate Wars

[schild]

STOP POSTING LISTS IN THESE THREADS, OK. THINK HARD, THINK LONG, HIT UP THE OTHER THREAD.

[Miasma]

I can't remember 90% of the games I played a year ago (even the good ones) let alone all time.  I would need to find a list of games grouped by system that included screen shots so I remember wether or not I played it...

[schild]

mobygames.com

[Sutro]

Is this the official "WTF were you thinking???" thread for the top 20 lists now? Because I'm sure Moraff's World is going to get plenty of WTFs. :p

[schild]

No, I'm making that thread later.

[Jain Zar]

How many would argue against Starcraft being #1? I know this is a moley post, but I've never played such a polished game, ever. I still fire it up every now and then and marvel at its amazingness.

Starcraft isn't even a number 1 RTS, much less number 1 game.

Command & Conquer Red Alert and Age of Empires 2 are far more deserving.  Just because Korea loves it doesn't make it good.  They also really liked Lineage. 

[schild]

Oh Age of Empires 2. How I loved thee.

[lamaros]

How many would argue against Starcraft being #1? I know this is a moley post, but I've never played such a polished game, ever. I still fire it up every now and then and marvel at its amazingness.

Starcraft isn't even a number 1 RTS, much less number 1 game.

Command & Conquer Red Alert and Age of Empires 2 are far more deserving.  Just because Korea loves it doesn't make it good.  They also really liked Lineage. 

I fucking hate Red Alert.

[Margalis]

I think Starcraft is a great game but to be the best game ever you have to do a bit more to impress me than make minor refinements to an existing genre. It didn't invoke any special feelings in me. It's not the most fun game to play and it's not the most influential, even among RTS games. In fact I would claim that Starcraft carried very minor influence even among RTS games. You certainly can't look at it as any sort of turning point.

[rk47]

I guess flying, mobile buildings....warping in buildings...and some weird creeping terraforming as well as 3 different unit sets, each with unique attribute is not good enough?

Don't get me wrong, I love C&C the original, the FMV blew me away but rts genre hardly felt fresh till Starcraft came around.

[Margalis]

It didn't feel fresh when it was actually new? What?

[lamaros]

It didn't feel fresh when it was actually new? What?

C&C the original was when it was new. War2 was when it was new. Dune 2 was when it was very new.. etc.

Red Alert and Dune 2000 and such weren't about when it was 'new'.

TA and Starcraft injected a certain newness to the genre when they came out. So did Homeworld. Ground Control also if you ask me, but it was never big enough to have much influence.

I cant think of a RTS before starcraft that had as much innovation in faction design nor had such awesome multiplayer balance. As single player games, sure, there are others. But SC was the multiplayer king for a reason.

[rk47]

Let's not even forget about the map editor that gave rise to DotA in WC3..I'm not a big fan of Dota but the UMS multiplayer games as marines vs everspawning zerg was fun shit.

[geldonyetich2]

I forgot Psychonauts :(

30 left, we'll see if IGN does too.

[Lucas]

Top 30 with, among others, System Shock 2, Half-Life, X-Com, KOTOR and Metroid Prime.

Btw, in the other topic, I saw nicer lists than "WTF" moments. Not bad.

[Sutro]

I think one problem that's going to crop up is that games within the same IP are going to take one another's votes when the IP is the primary thing we're voting for rather than the particular game in the line.

As in, everything in the SMB line might be bumped off the Top 20 just because everyone's voting for different games within the IP. Same with Zelda and Final Fantasy.

As it stands now, the only two strong front-runners I see are X-Com and Planescape. So much love for X-Com. <3 <3 <3 EverQuest/UO/WOW are gonna be doing HARD JOCKEYIN'.

I'm really disappointed that Dragon's Lair isn't getting a ton of traction. It was such a mindblower for the arcade generation. It was literally a laser gun amongst muskets. I -almost- !almost! included Time Traveler for the same reason.

[Hoax]

I'm pretty sure the reason for the one-vote-per-franchise was so they could be total'd back up and it would be fair.

So the end tally will have things like:

Zelda (20 votes; 5nes, 15snes, 5wii) or something like that.

If you look at it that way Mario, Zelda and FF are doing quite well.

[Margalis]

Yes otherwise it is extremely silly to have the rule about one vote per franchise if you are going to tally the games individually rather than as franchises and have 3 different Mario games split the vote.

That said it will be interesting to see the breakdown in an individual franchise.

[schild]

The point was for people to make hard decisions, pick a favorite from a series, and move to the next.

The diversity will smooth things out in the end.

[Margalis]

If you compile a list of most popular games that list will be totally invalid, given that you artificially forced some games off the list. I might have 3 Mario games as my top 3 games of all time and you compiled list will not reflect that.

Most popular game or franchise where appropriate is the only way to perform a ranking. You have to count different games in the same franchise as one vote for the franchise as a whole or a tally is meaningless.

It doesn't matter from the persepective of just having fun goofing around with rankings but you can't present it as a definitive list because your rules are skewed to under-represent games from popular franchises. That's just simple math.

[schild]

I might have 3 Mario games as my top 3 games of all time and you compiled list will not reflect that.

It won't? YOU'VE SEEN THE LIST? How much for a trip in the time machine?

[lamaros]

It doesn't matter from the persepective of just having fun goofing around with rankings but you can't present it as a definitive list because your rules are skewed to under-represent games from popular franchises. That's just simple math.

It's not going to be definitive list anyhow because of all your fuckers who keep listing WoW and other shit! :)

[rk47]

It doesn't matter from the persepective of just having fun goofing around with rankings but you can't present it as a definitive list because your rules are skewed to under-represent games from popular franchises. That's just simple math.

It's not going to be definitive list anyhow because of all your fuckers who keep listing WoW and other shit! :)

Hellgate invades the motherfuckers 

[Rasix]

The point was for people to make hard decisions, pick a favorite from a series, and move to the next.

The diversity will smooth things out in the end.

I had to leave Fallout 2 behind. FF IV got left by the road too. 

IMO, it makes for more interesting and diverse lists instead of resembling fanboi vomit. I don't think this is even about crowning a champion, so who cares if Mario 3 doesn't win because you actually liked Mario 64 better but couldn't list both and other people had to make similar choices and the moon was full when you chose so technically it didn't count.. BLAH BLAH BLAH. Fuck, we all know the restrictions so we all know how to interpret the data. 

Anyhow, we're going to have a specific list commentary thread coming up soonish according to the thread.

[Lucas]

Starcraft and Doom don't make it to the Heavenly Top 10. Tie Fighter gloriously at n.12. Ms. Pac-Man munches in.

[stray]

I think it's bullshit that Tie Fighter gets that high. It brought nothing new except "Star Wars", and owes a lot to the WC games. Hell, even Luke Skywalker himself agrees.

[edit] I should probably stay silent until I see a top 10 though...

[schild]

Lego Star Wars is more fun than Tie Fighter.