Carbine Studios' "Wildstar"

[Draegan]

I have better shit to worry about than whether or not a cartoon character in a video game has a tiny waist and perky tits that only surgery in South America can provide or whether I have enough self worth to know that I will never lose my gut to obtain giant broad shoulders and a barrel chest big enough that only a sharp needle and growth hormones can achieve.

Seriously you guys need to find something else to worry about, like paying your bills or giving someone a hug. When you have to many fucks to give, it's time to go outside.

[Ghambit]

Welp, I lucked into a stress test beta key so I have an extra now; since Lucas gave me a full beta invite.  PM me if you're interested.

edit: gone to Rasix

[ezrast]

Problems that don't affect me aren't real problems. Social "minorities" are making progress so they probably weren't really harmed in the first place. To eliminate sexism we have to eliminate sexualization, because women are inherently prudes.

[Falconeer]

Seriously you guys need to find something else to worry about, like paying your bills or giving someone a hug. When you have to many fucks to give, it's time to go outside.

You may simplify thinking these conversations are merely about a stupid online game, but they are not. That's your way to cop out.
Some people pay their bills, give and receive many hugs and much more, and still they think it's important to  worry about a lot of stuff that hurts everyone (not only in gaming, duh), not just the stuff that hurts them or the group they belong to. Even more so when the group they belong to is the one that is hurt the least, you know.

The whole point of "privilege" is that you are given the golden opportunity to *not give a fuck*, and no matter how much you think you lack privilege, whenever you can afford to not give a fuck about some issues it means you have more than you think. It's a pyramid, you kow, you are always stepping on someone else's head and the first step to fight that is to acknowledge it (and the first step to reinforce that is to deny it). Another privilege you have is the opportunity to have a distorted view of what is oppressive and what is not, what is a problem and what is not. Your privilege gives you the opportunity to deny anything that is outside the range of your perception. Basically, if it doesn't bother you, then it means someone else must be hypersensitive, nuts, <fill with whatever demeaning term you like>.

Good job at that. Among other things, and to put it very very simple, human rights didn't happen thanks to people like you. Be proud of that.

I am done talking about this because while I feel it is important to always point out the shit, I don't believe there's a point in dragging a debate on such topics on a place like this, and I definitely DO spend my time better, with family, games, activism, work, love, than arguing with guys who still believe that "I don't give a fuck" still sounds cool.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Move it to politics.

[Falconeer]

Or just be done with this derail. Which we were, except for a few who can't miss the opportunity to show how much they don't give a fuck by giving fucks. I personally promise I won't add anything else.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Or just be done with this derail. Which we were, except for a few who can't miss the opportunity to show how much they don't give a fuck by giving fucks. I personally promise I won't add anything else.

Stop being the asshole who needs to get the last word by ranting and then at the end saying "ok this topic is over, move on"  seriously, go fuck yourself.

[Paelos]

I'll reiterate again that I don't think this game will cause a huge emotional outburst about the actual gameplay, good or bad.

[Ghambit]

Welp, here's another opportunity for one of you "don't-give-twofucks" to try the game.  Rasix doesn't have time for the stress test, so my key is available again.  PM me if interested.  Here is the testing schedule:

Friday, December 20th, 5PM PST – 9PM PST
(Saturday, December 21st, 1am UTC – 5am UTC)
Saturday, December 21st, 11AM PST – 3PM PST
(Saturday, December 21st, 7pm UTC – 11pm UTC)

edit2:  kinda smart to check if you've already got a key b4 asking for one  

Shit, between this and Divinity I'm a happy man.  (thank god finals are done)

[Threash]

Well this is embarrassing but i checked my mail and i got an invite, so send it to whoever got second place. 

[Draegan]

Sweet. Not giving a fuck about video game models is the equivalent of not giving a fuck about human rights abuse in the world.

That is an amazing statement.

[01101010]

Well this is embarrassing but i checked my mail and i got an invite, so send it to whoever got second place. 

[tmp]

Sweet. Not giving a fuck about video game models is the equivalent of not giving a fuck about human rights abuse in the world.

That is an amazing statement.

Don't you have someone to hug or bills to pay, rather than continue demonstrating how you are above giving a fuck about such trivial matters?

edit: on topic, sort of, if someone else finds themselves with an extra key, I could liberate them from it if no one else is willing

[Ghambit]

I still have the extra key I got; but I haven't gotten a PM from anyone yet.  Evidently people don't like to read more then 2 posts above the last one.  

edit: key gone to Sam

[sam, an eggplant]

Thanks!

If I end up getting friend invites, I'll give them out here. I think that's only for "real" beta testers, though, not us stress test monkeys.

[Daeven]

Well, that's sad. After reading this thread I still have no idea if rockpeople calve or calve. Time to join the beta to find out!

[Ginaz]

Ok, I normally don't do this, but if anyone has a beta key thats usable after 29 Dec. (on vacation until then) I would appreciate it.  Thanks.

[luckton]

If we're quite done with the last page or two of arguing about fake internet tits, Massively's put together a nice little package of the recent additions to the game: housing improvements, character creation, the Medic, and the Engineer.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/12/12/massively-previews-wildstars-character-creation-housing-engin/

[Hoax]

I've watched some stream coverage, not a ton but this game does not look very good. Its certainly not the step up in fluid animation and overall quality and polish from titles like SWTOR, Tera and TESO that I had been expecting due to the size of hype train.

It looks really average in most of departments that WoW knocked out of the park all those years ago. There was a time I was expecting a huge success for Wildstar followed by a massive fall off when people realize that rebaked WoW is not as fun as they expect it to be. Now I'm less sure it will even start off huge, I've never been a fan of the title but I was expecting it to be a hell of a lot better than what it appears to be at least superficially.

Shame too on some level. Warplots and the potential for build diversity from their limited ability system are both things I do like the sound of in theory. Also I've always thought that for pvp if all abilities are some kind of aoe it'd make just bringing the largest zerg on follow not the king strat though tbh the big things on the ground look fairly stupid and remind me in a bad way of NWNO.

[Draegan]

Its certainly not the step up in fluid animation and overall quality and polish from titles like SWTOR, Tera and TESO that I had been expecting due to the size of hype train.

Don't be this stupid.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I have not seen any mmo streaming that looked good.  Some ended up being great and some being terrible but I will say streaming does very little for mmo's.

[Rendakor]

quality
polish
TESO

Gotta be trolling.

[Hoax]

Its certainly not the step up in fluid animation and overall quality and polish from titles like SWTOR, Tera and TESO that I had been expecting due to the size of hype train.

Don't be this stupid.

I'm dead serious, some animations seemed atrocious for a lot of the classes. I think the biggest offenders were the Medic and dual pistol class. Some races seemed to have really dumb looking running or jumping animations as well, though I can't recall specifics. In no way does this game seem to operate on the WoW level of animation cohesion and quality, again this is judging off like 30min or less of stream watching but to my eyes it didn't look close.

quality
polish
TESO

Gotta be trolling.

I know my posts aren't as clear as they should be but I didn't mean to say that. I meant that I had been assuming from all the hype that Wildstar would be that level of quality above SWTOR, TESO, Rift etc. the WoW quality level where almost no animations look wooden and stupid and you can tell control of the character is pretty tight and looks and feels good for a MMO. Instead Wildstar looks pretty much on par with what everyone else is making these days.

I have not seen any mmo streaming that looked good.  Some ended up being great and some being terrible but I will say streaming does very little for mmo's.

I've never watched a MMO be streamed that didn't seem boring as shit, so I agree. But I'm pretty sure I'm still capable of judging the quality of animations and character visuals just not how fun the gameplay will seem when playing it.

[Draegan]

I think the medic looks awful myself, but that's from an aesthetic POV. Those huge guns are stupid looking. I think the animations for the most part are top notch for an MMO.

[Ghambit]

It's.  Pulp.  Sci-Fi.  
They half-chose the genre precisely to get away with whatever the hell story, art, and animations they felt like doing.  As Draegan says, if you dont like it, it's more a genre betrayal then anything else.

Lemme make this clear w/o breaking the NDA.  If you dont like pulp, you won't like this game.  It's WAY over-the-top in just about every way (including animations, lore, etc.)  Throw any sense of realism or standardization out the window.  The producers basically told the designers, "hai guy!  Whatever you come up with, make it about 10X as wild, crazy, and imaginative, then build the level."

This gives them artistic license to do quite a lot of things (the point of pulp in the 1st place), but will definitely require a hefty suspension of disbelief... even moreso then typical fantasy faire.

In re. the running animations specifically, they have a mechanical component since the Explorer is a platforming-based metagame.  Obviously a Chua is gonna be better at it then a blundering Frankenstein.  It's something they'll obviously tweak as time goes on, but I don't think they should sacrifice that aspect for the sake of generic animations everyone will like; aside from the simple fact that not all races will walk/run the same.

Same goes for the collision-based mechanics with regards to Warriors and so forth.

[Hoax]

How can there still be NDA when the first 15 levels can be streamed by anyone and there are friend invites for the beta and stress tests?

I will never trust a title that tries to maintain its NDA for as long as they possibly can.

[Sjofn]

While I think some of the running animations are stupid, none of them struck me as technically bad. The main thing I'll say about the animations, I suppose, is that I don't really notice them beyond the "now I am doing <blah>" sense. Which I think is what most animations are shooting for?

Some of the fighting animations could use more oomph, I guess.

[Lakov_Sanite]

How can there still be NDA when the first 15 levels can be streamed by anyone and there are friend invites for the beta and stress tests?

I will never trust a title that tries to maintain its NDA for as long as they possibly can.

When it comes to wildstar nda should be in air quotes, whether it's officially dropped or not they are not shy about letting you see the game.  You can't compare it to other games that are very tight lipped about the game until release as a real indicator of quality.

[Threash]

Does the "no NDA for low levels" thing apply to everyone?

[Draegan]

No.

[sam, an eggplant]

It only applies to specific press, unfortunately.

Like ESO I have a lot to say about Wildstar, but can't due to NDA. Oh well.

[Senses]

I would've been here sooner but I had hugs to give and bills to pay.

[Ghambit]

 
Cant. Contain it. 



Worst. NDA. evar!

[01101010]

Requisite:

[Samprimary]

Confirming that john goodman face. But never fret, there's plenty of info out and the NDA walls keep steadily dropping.

In the meantime, more protostar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScEliEh2_Xo