Good Games In Retrospective

[schild]

Almost there....

Fuck a wii.

Edit: Oh shit, I just realized that Phantom Hourglass is the DS equivalent of Lair.

[Yegolev]

OK I get it.  Some of mine have already been covered, like Buggerfall which I still feel is better than Morrowind or Oblivion as long as you overlook the bugs.  Bushido Blade was overlooked but I can't think of anything wrong with it, except it probably was terribly unexpected for people who were looking for a traditional vs fighter.

I could put Metal Saga in there, too.  I love the fact that it has absolutely no main story.  None.  Atelier Iris 3 has a main story.  Metal Saga does not.  You just go out and do shit, which is practically unheard-of in JP games.

Phantom Dust.  This game was just too cool to live.  I don't know why people did not like it, although it did have a pretty long tutorialish section before you got to the good part where you start collecting cards and building decks.

I equate the stylus with the wiimote.

[schild]

Oh god Phantom Dust.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Yeg: Man that is the best description I have ever heard.

Phantom Dust was indeed to cool to even exist.

That game needs a PSP/DS port with online line action.

[schild]

That game needs a PSP/DS port with online line action.

A portable will never do that game justice. It would be a waste of the art, music, and effects.

It needs a PS3/360 port. Either one. Couldn't care less. Will never happen. Pipe dream.

Not every game needs a portable port. Most would suck balls on a portable.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

I would love a 360/ps3 port, but I would also love a PSP port. And that is BS if you think that a PSP port wouldn't do it justice cause MGSPO was great, Puto. 

[schild]

MGS has crap controls on any system.

Phantom Dust controlled like a dream.

Your comparison sucksmyballzyo.

[Yegolev]

As a card-carrying member of the Handhelds Can Suck My Balls Association, I'm with schild here.  Phantom Dust was too cool to live because it wasn't just a card game, it was also a shooter... thing... I'm not sure what the hell the combat was comparable to (GTA? Metroid Prime?), and the visual design was unique, and the music was enthralling.  Hell, I'd wander around the town just to listen to the various tracks, especially the haunting track in the bar.  The character animations were well-done in my opinion.  I think it also had a story in there.  Too bad the 360 emulation is shitty-shit-shit, but at least it can boot up.  It should have been on the PS2 so I could now play it in Looks-Better-Than-The-Original-O-Vision on the PS3.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Schild: the MGS controls thing is just your lame opinion. I enjoyed it. I totally think that PS could be on the PSP and control just fine with some changes. Either way it wont happen but it could be done.

[schild]

Schild: the MGS controls thing is just your lame opinion. I enjoyed it.

I've enjoyed some shitty controls before. MGS' controls were Bad and completely COMPLETELY unintuitive.

Ask people who played the latest version of Metal Gear Online at TGS. It's only getting worse.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Exactly as I stated before, I enjoyed MGSPO and I don't dislike the MGS controls anyway. The point of this was that I think that PS could be done on the PSP, you said no it can't cause PS is so purty and sounds good and whatever. I used MGSPO as an example of how a game can look good, have good music and solid presentation on the PSP. Your opinion, or anybody else's  opinion on whether MGSPO's control scheme works or not is really pointless here because PS CAN look,sound and play good on the PSP and the controls CAN be mapped to work. 

[schild]

Why would anyone ever ask for a twitchy game to be put on the PSP anyway? Phantom Dust DEMANDS analog sticks. I don't want that shit shoehorned in and neither should you. Stop letting your ability to take a game into the shitter impair the quality of titles.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

I am simply stating that it would be nice to have a portable version of that game cause I like it. It is not like that game couldn't use some clean up anyway. When is the last time you saw anyone who wasn't a scrub use the d-pad shortcuts to the descriptors in a match? What the fuck is the point of mapping the jump to the left analog click and mapping target lock cycle to L? The game could be messed with, but it is neither here nor there cause no one played or plays that game. I was online ALL THE FUCKING TIME on that game, and it was dead almost all the time. It is obvious the game didn't take off too well on consoles and maybe it could do better on portable. Maybe that is just me, I really like portable games, but the point is, yes it could be done. And what is this twitch can't be done on PSP shit?   

[schild]

I think you've gone loopy. Too many beans. Get a steak.

[schild]

Actually, fuck it, I'm just going to be perfectly clear:

Saying you want a game for the PSP when it's CLEARLY better suited for the PS3 or 360 (particularly for online capability), is as stupid as saying "When's the port to the Wii coming out?" and "What? No DS version?"

Don't do that.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Anyway, the point is moot. If there is a sequel, which there may be, Yukio Futatsuki left MSDS Japan, and would have to get the the licensing for PS to make a sequel externally, that agreement would be, from what he said, that it has to come out on a MS system and that will the 360 if he chooses to continue with it.

[Yegolev]

Stop letting your ability to take a game into the shitter impair the quality of titles.

Ho HO!

I'm sure it could be done on the PSP but I'd really rather it not be.  I could say that about most any "serious" title on DS or PSP, which is of course my opinion and playstyle.  Handhelds are for little games you play on the shitter while some game requiring me to spend more than ten minutes getting into it deserves to be on a real system.  WarioWare, that's a toilet game.  Valkyrie Profile is not.  Phantom Dust is not.  I play the Castlevanias on DS but I cry inside whenever I do, it's like they sent a great historical figure off to the old folks home to wear diapers and stare out the window all day.

It's possible that Phantom Dust would have greater commercial success on a handheld and I submit that is because it would be cheaper to make (shitty art and music, smaller sets of cards, simplified play), and that's exactly why great franchises go to die on handhelds.  I'm shocked and pleased that Culdcept isn't being banshed to a pitiful handheld existence for whatever reason.

[schild]

Anyway, the point is moot. If there is a sequel, which there may be, Yukio Futatsuki left MSDS Japan, and would have to get the the licensing for PS to make a sequel externally, that agreement would be, from what he said, that it has to come out on a MS system and that will the 360 if he chooses to continue with it.

The point isn't moot! You're a fucking gamer that cares! And you made a suggestion that makes you part of the problem! Don't do that! It scares me.

[Sky]

I have to agree MGS has shitbag controls. I watched a friend play and was psyched when they released the xbox version...but the controls totally turned me off (even accounting for my feelings on console shooters).

I guess nobody else played Sacrifice. It's worth it just to track down a copy and check out the end-level spell effects, especially the aforementioned Volcano and Tornado. Especially any game devs in the audience. That's how spells should be done. Period.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

I do care, but I LIKE PORTABLE GAMES and I don't think they are just for playing when you take a crap. There is no reason a portable game can't be really good and skill based. I personally would like a Phantom Dust on a portable system cause I would play it. You are telling me I am causing a problem by wanting games to come out on a system I wouldn't mind playing it on. That is retarded. You are basically saying, cause you like games you should not wish for games to come out here or there. Fuck you, I will leave the bitching about what systems I play my games on to you. I just want to play good/fun games. I would like PS on the 360 or PS3 too, it would be great, but we see how many people play that now...hmmm 1300 members at the PS site forum, how many of those play consistently???... I would buy and play a portable version and that is why I wouldn't mind it, but a 360 port would work fine too. If I could have my cake and eat it too, it would be great if Futatsuki had gotten the rights to make it on the PS# and also have a portable version, that would have been super cool.

[Yegolev]

I guess nobody else played Sacrifice.

Was that the white box with the brown beetle-mandibles logo on it?  Was meaning to nab that years ago but I am pretty sure it has disappeared from retail outlets.

[Yoru]

I have to agree MGS has shitbag controls. I watched a friend play and was psyched when they released the xbox version...but the controls totally turned me off (even accounting for my feelings on console shooters).

I guess nobody else played Sacrifice. It's worth it just to track down a copy and check out the end-level spell effects, especially the aforementioned Volcano and Tornado. Especially any game devs in the audience. That's how spells should be done. Period.

I played Sacrifice. I reinstall it periodically and dick around with it in Skirmish mode every year or two. And yeah, the spell effects are how high-level spells really should be done - enormous, epic, awe-inspiring things. Not "puff of flame and big numbers".

Also, Volcano.

[schild]

I do care, but I LIKE PORTABLE GAMES and I don't think they are just for playing when you take a crap.

I know that. Never said otherwise. That part was a joke. Sarchasm, watch out for it.

There is no reason a portable game can't be really good and skill based.

Never said that. At all.

I personally would like a Phantom Dust on a portable system cause I would play it.

You would play it on ANY system.

You are telling me I am causing a problem by wanting games to come out on a system I wouldn't mind playing it on. That is retarded.

No, brotha, the problem is you're damning the game to a less optimal system. The optimal system is the 360. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this, it's not even an argument.

You are basically saying, cause you like games you should not wish for games to come out here or there. Fuck you, I will leave the bitching about what systems I play my games on to you. I just want to play good/fun games.

So do I, on the systems they belong on. Not on the less than optimal system.

I would like PS on the 360 or PS3 too, it would be great, but we see how many people play that now...hmmm 1300 members at the PS site forum, how many of those play consistently???... I would buy and play a portable version and that is why I wouldn't mind it, but a 360 port would work fine too. If I could have my cake and eat it too, it would be great if Futatsuki had gotten the rights to make it on the PS# and also have a portable version, that would have been super cool.

Yes, but playing in What Ifs is, you know,  just depressing. As a gamer, I really try to stay away from what if's whenever it doesn't involve guessing a new announcement. And of course it would be great on the 360 or PS3, it would in fact be OPTIMAL on those systems. They have the online backbone, the distribution system, the patching system, everything that is needed for a game like Phantom Dust. But see, the problem here, is you know me and you know I own a shitton of DS and PSP games and have played that vast majority of them. You know I have no fucking problem with games made for the right system. So I have to ask, why the hell you think a PSP Phantom Dust would even be fun?

[rattran]

I guess nobody else played Sacrifice.

Was that the white box with the brown beetle-mandibles logo on it?  Was meaning to nab that years ago but I am pretty sure it has disappeared from retail outlets.

I think that was Sacred from Ascaron. Also not a bad game, seemed like they were trying to be Diablo2, and not missing too badly. I lump it in with Titan Quest on the 'Great Potential Unrealized' pile.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Schild: PSP phantom dust would be good cause as a VS console game it did poorly. I think that at a smaller scale it would work better, especially if it wee more pick up and play.(You can add and patch stuff on the PSP too.) That was one of the games problems in my opinion, it has a very VS fighting feel to it but it is clunky at getting there. That would all be streamlined on a portable, (it could also be streamlined on console as well.) I think that the game overall has to be streamlined when it comes to vs play, it is annoying to set up.  Don't get me wrong. I would Love a console version. I would play it. But I know and you know that no one else would. MS would really have to market the hell out of it and let's be serious, it is not accessible enough for the casual gamer. I think that it would be a good game as a portable, if that were the only option I had, and I would enjoy it cause it could be a really good portable game if done right, and I would like to be able to play it anywhere.   

[schild]

That post is beyond the borders of my mind's eye.

It is out there, yo.

[Salamok]

Redneck Rampage!  lol, as I was playing through HL2 it reminded me greatly of Redneck Rampage but without the kick ass soundtrack and endlessly amusing chickens.  And if HL2 were to ditch the kick ass water the graphics would be about the same quality too.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Redneck Rampage was lame jajaja, but it was fun in a teenage lame game way. I use to play that with one of my buddies when I was younger. He freaking loved that game.

[schild]

Guys.

Serious Sam.

Seriously.

[HAMMER FRENZY]

That game was all over the place. I really didn't think that game would be good. Random.

Damn it. Red Dead Revolver. Didn't anyone else like that game!??!?!

Also, Batman Begins on Xbox....WTF. That game really wasn't that good but I played the hell out of it... If you like Batman, and like the movie...It was a good movie game...

[lesion]

Giants (pretty!)

[stray]

I loved Red Dead Revolver. Also loved God Hand.

[Yoru]

Giants (pretty!)

Giants and Serious Sam were both highly underrated. They were both excellent, excellent multiplayer titles. I'd love it if someone came out with a new multiplayer FPS with the same elements as the Giants multiplayer.

I enjoyed a lot of Empire Earth in college, but that's when I could afford to toss away 4 hours on a single multiplayer match. The expacks and sequels have been utter shit though.

I was also one of the freaks that liked M.A.X.

[Triforcer]

Hmm...

Tecmo Super Bowl...still the best football game ever made.
Ogre Battle.
Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals for the Ancient Cave.

[Fordel]

I always loved Kirby's Adventure for the NES. My favorite platformer to this very day.