Warhawk

[LK]

Yes, it's all your damn fault.  I expect a Clan invite. ><

Actually, the following trifecta of White Knight Story, Metal Gear Solid, and (believe it or not) Folklore helped that decision along.

[Kitsune]

I'm glad that people are playing and learning now, so when I get it in a week and stumble on as a complete newb I can pester all of you for tips.  Fly, my guinea pigs, fly!!!

[bhodi]

Oh my fucking god.

I can't believe I let you fuckers talk me into buying this PIECE OF SHIT GAME. I'm probably returning it tomorrow.

No, I'm DEFINITELY returning it tomorrow. I hate it, I suck at it, and the matchmaking system is fucking AWFUL. Jesus Christ. It takes 20 seconds for it to just kick me out of a server telling me server is full. It happily lets me know that people are in games, but gives me NO ABILITY to talk to them with this lovely mike I got and plan to join a server. I can't join any of the 'official' servers (ok fine, it's launch day) so I just join random servers, and finally get in after trying about 30 times; it took me almost 20 minutes to actually get INTO a game (because it gets to ping the entire god damned server list EVERY TIME after you wait to not join a game. I want to shiv whoever wrote this piece of shit matching, seriously. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? Why even bother having "buddies"? I can't do shit but see them (I assume) killing shit, and not being able to join or communicate with them in any way.

So I FINALLY get in the game, right? Of course there are people who have been playing since beta, I spend 15-20m trying to figure out the keys to everything. I realize the keys suck and I hate using the top buttons for accel AND shoot, and having to take my hand off the maneuver control to actually switch weapons.... it's totally retarded so hey I wander into options and I find out you CAN'T REBIND THE KEYS!  OH JOY!

WHAT FUCKING GARBAGE PIECE OF SHIT GAME DOESN'T LET YOU REBIND ATTACK KEYS AND MAKES THE DEFAULT THE MOST UNWIELDY, EVER? THIS GAME APPARENTLY!!

So I manage to find my way to an airplane, take off, and I haven't gotten ANY air kills. I've been playing for like two hours now. I can't figure out how people mow me the fuck down, I can't seem to lock on like everyone else does, and people just camp in the anti-air turrets and shoot planes down. The control scheme is annoying, playing around with hover mode and air mode, it doesn't matter since I asplode in 3 seconds of getting off the ground anyway.

On the ground, I can get a kill or two, though magically everyone I fight against has been playing since beta and is super awesome at it. Fine, whatever. The only way I can get air kills is to camp in the fucking anti-air tower or with the bazooka. An when I do, I inevitably get knifed in the fucking BACK by the guy I didn't even see.

The game is pretty, but OH my FUCKING GOD I am NEVER listening to you assholes again.

[LK]

Dissenting opinions are good.

[schild]

That's a lot of talk to say you suck.

What was the problem with the default keys? Have you EVER PLAYED a fps/3ps on a console? EVER?

I don't even know where to begin. Your post is freaking me out, man.

[bhodi]

You can begin with some apologetic bullshit about how I should have known from the trailers what to expect. All it would have took was 10 minutes of actual play like I said, to know that not only was me and this game not meant to be, but seriously -- the game selection / buddy system on this game is a terrible, worthless, pointless waste of time. Good luck playing with ANYONE you know unless one of them owns a server. It's simply not going to happen.

The only way to co-ordinate shit is going to have to be logging into vent/TS, which kind of defeats the purpose of the microphone. There's no 'lobby' to group up, I just have to sacrifice a goat and and hit the join game button for the next 45 minutes, PRAYING there's a spot open. Which I fucking did, wanting to, you know, play with happy_hedonist. I have 4 fucking friends playing *RIGHT NOW* and I can't contact them or get in their games. There's no way to filter servers that are full (obvious omission?) and there's no way to filter servers that are 'almost full'.

Of course, I only get to try once every 30 seconds, because once select, it gets to sit and think.. and think.. and think... and then boot me out, and then it gets to refresh the server list! Play a game I paid for? Casual? Not possible, it took me almost HALF AN HOUR to find a game I could play in that would actually give me rank points -- the rest were just a deathmatch brawl. Hoo boy, nothing I like better than to get it in the face with a flamethrower two seconds after I spawn, when all I have is a pistol.

Yeah, I got good enough at the game after a few hours of play to be middle-upper middle game -- By camping the AA gun or driving the tank in. I finally figured how to use the lock-on missiles, and the plane is OK I guess but you get within 300 feet of the ground and it's instant fucking lock-on death-missiles. it's really just another fucking console FPS in the guise of something different. And I fucking HATE console FPS games.

The only saving grace of this game are the vehicles; without them I would have already thrown my controller at the fucking TV. God damn, if this is the best multiplayer the console can come up with, I should have spent that money on a gold-plated parchesi board -- because that would have been a lot more fun.

This game is trash unless you like regurgitated console FPS combat and 12 year olds who have been in the beta for a year.


Edit: What's wrong with the default keys? How about you have to STOP MANEUVERING TO CHANGE WEAPONS ON YOUR PLANE? They require the SAME THUMB to both control your plane and select your weapons! How fucking stupid is that? I hold the controller with both index fingers to L1+2 R1+2. I don't want to have to hold down L1 and L2 at the same time to use my primary attacks! It fucking sucks and I've never played a game that requires it -- even driving games that used R2 to accell don't make you use R1 for anything important. Normal console FPS don't force you to use R2 when you use R1 to fire your fucking gun (who came up with THAT as the attack button anyway? WTF?). You have FOUR WONDERFUL BUTTONS ON THE FRONT OF THE CONTROLLER, AND THEY DECIDE TO MAKE ONE JUMP AND THE OTHER GETTING INTO VEHICLES.

Why do I need to spell out the complete RETARDED nature of this control scheme? I want the thing I hit the most or second most to be on the front of the controller -- that's how it's been since fucking Nintendo, and that's what I'm used to. Not being able to change the scheme is just a curb stomp after I'm already on the ground from trying to get into a game.

[Trippy]

Warhawk is not for you.

[bhodi]

No shit. One sentence review:

Pretty game ruined by lackluster control scheme and atrocious player matching system. My gamespot review: 3.0

[schild]

The control scheme is fine. Also, Now that I know how to read the game list, I have no problems getting into games. Filters are your friend.

Anyway, what the hell are you talking about R2 and L2? What? They're Fire and Throw Grenade respectively, like every other PS2 and PS3 RTS.

I'm just not feeling the hate. I'm not gonna defend the game because you haven't actually attacked the game yet.

Edit: In conclusion: What the fuck are you doing buying anything with a gun on a console? X has always been jump/interact on console FPS titles. And Square has always been Do This, in this case Get In Vehicle.

[bhodi]

You really aren't reading what I'm saying. I've detailed very specifically that I use INDEX FINGERS to access the triggers. that means I can't push R1 (fire) and R2 (acell) at the same time without completely changing my grip.

[schild]

I use my index fingers also.

I don't know man, I just didn't have a problem with the controls, but I suspect I play a shitload more console games than you. You should see some of the wonky shit in stuff like Samurai Western and Nightshade. Or even Bujingai.

[bhodi]

The control scheme is fine. Also, Now that I know how to read the game list, I have no problems getting into games. Filters are your friend.

You can't filter out servers that are full. You can't filter by servers that just need one or two more, nor can you sort by emptiness (if you're trying to get a bunch of people on a server). Still no way to co-ordinate group joins, and no way to join or notify a buddy that's been playing that you want a game with him.

The problems are endless... some of them may be small, and maybe my hate is getting in the way, but still. Suck. If you can hate KOTOR, I can hate this.

[LK]

Sam sites be powerful.

I joined up, lemme know how to get into the Clan.

[bhodi]

OK, so a lot of people are having the same problem joining games as me. It's a firewall issue and you have to forward ports, apparently, since this is the first game I've ever played online with the ps3, I did not know this. I still think the game sucks, but this would probably have made last night a LOT less frustrating with the joining issue.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928383&topic=37933528

[LK]

I do agree with Bhodi that some actions are unwieldly.  For instance, I'd prefer to reload with Square or Circle.  Circle is only used in this game to crouch, which could have been mapped to something like R3.

[Moaner]

Finding an empty slot on one of the Sony hosted servers is a bitch right now.  I hope they add more because right now the ones that are up are almost always full.  The only time you can reliably find an empty slot on one is when a game finishes and a couple people leave before the next map starts.  It's frustrating.  There is no monthly fee and it supports peer to peer so I have my doubts as to whether there will be any motivation to add new servers or any real updates to the game other than map packs they can charge for.  Especially after UT hits and no one is left playing.

I do love the game though and I can't relate to the control issues.  They seemed natural enough to me and the only thing that bothers me is reloading.  I can't keep running and reload/switch weapons without using my pointer finger to press on the directional pad and this is uncomfortable at best.  I also have to readjust when I want to accelerate and fire at the same time in a jet thingy but so far it hasn't bothered me at all.

The lack of a party system is disappointing but I have honestly never played a shooter that had one and I've been playing these damn things since Doom.  Actually, I was impressed there was an in game utility for creating and managing a clan.  Also, I can join a game in progress!  What a fucking concept!

[LK]

So how do I tell a server is ranked? Played for an hour, grabbing up the accolades, then went to my Profile and saw there was nothing.

That's happened twice now.

[Moaner]

So how do I tell a server is ranked? Played for an hour, grabbing up the accolades, then went to my Profile and saw there was nothing.

That's happened twice now.

The official Sony dedicated servers are blue which make them easy to pick out and they are all ranked.  If it's a peer to peer game there will be a little trophy to the left of the name of the server if the server is set to ranked.  Otherwise the little trophy will have a line crossed through it.  That's how I remember it anyways, I'm not able to check at the moment.

Also, your profile takes a few minutes to update.  Sometimes it takes up to 20 minutes before badges and stuff are actually awarded to your account.  Hopefully they address this shit but who knows.

[LK]

I've only played on Sony servers and I've lost game progress several times.  Pretty fucking sad.

It's a fun game, I'm doing better at it, there's absolutely no lag, but still, you do one thing right, but screw up another, doesn't help the perception of the game.

[schild]

Sony has been an absolute monster at fixing things in games though. I've no doubt that they'll polish the shit out of Warhawk.

[LK]

*AFTER* the game launches after what appeared to be a big Beta?

Are we that whipped?

[schild]

*AFTER* the game launches after what appeared to be a big Beta?

Are we that whipped?

MMORPGS.

[LK]

BTW when's that Clan invite coming? :P

[schild]

Last night I saw the friend invite but I was going to watch a blu-ray movie, not play Warhawk (got the disc version), so didn't even think to send it. I'll be playing it later tonight, I'll send it then.

[LK]

Ok.

I like their medal system and all but wow, shit ton of In A Row requirements on EVERYTHING.

At least they have a Purple Heart.  Die five times in a row, 500 deaths.

Edit: I refuse to play this fucking game anymore until they fix the issues with their servers.  No stat tracking all night.  I'm having fun with the game but everything else is fucking broke.

Edit again: Oh, shit.  It's not In A Row.  It's In A Round.  If they fix the stat issues then I'll be way happier with this game.

[LK]

So I take it the clan is a bust?

I logged in today to find all my stats have been wiped.  I played a match and got the "Sergent after 10 points" bug.

[schild]

So I take it the clan is a bust?

I logged in today to find all my stats have been wiped.  I played a match and got the "Sergent after 10 points" bug.

Not enough players really. It seems cheapasses will eventually kill the PS3 rather than the lack of games (lol Wii).

[schild]

The firmware update yesterday (1.92) on the PS3 updated the shit out of Warhawk. I have no problem connecting to 6/7, 7/8 games (games that aren't full but used to report as full). My ping times are fantastic. And the server refresh is ut2k4 fast now (if you've used the browser for it, you'll know what I mean). Anyway, yea, they addressed all of the previous connectivity concerns it would seem.

[Kitsune]

I'm still aiming to have Warhawk by Sunday and'll be happy to join in any violent festivities.  A lot of F13 don't own PS3s, though, so I doubt you'll ever be seeing thirty of us around at the same time.

[LK]

I think Stat Tracking is still broke =\

[schild]

I think Stat Tracking is still broke =\

Definitely is. But I did send you a clan invite!

[LK]

Got it.  You and me, we'll conquer the world! ...

Seriously if stats was working, I'd be playing this game non-fucking-stop.  It's that good.  Good to hear that the connectivity issues are fixed.

[schild]

It is a good game. The stats being fucked really flushes any retention down the toilet though. I played 4 or 5 rounds last night, was good fun.

[LK]

Servers have been down for awhile.  Maybe they're fixing it right now.  All I know is that while Bioshock was the most dramatic launch, Warhawk takes the award for most colossal fuck-up launch of what should have been a sure thing awesome game.

It looks like that Incognito and Sony really did take off the weekend and Labor Day instead of monitoring their game.

[Moaner]

I have a small vacation starting tomorrow and will be playing like crazy for about a week.  Even with the somewhat shitty launch I fucking love this game.