Godmotherfuckingdammit

[Bandit]

I understand the frustration, no matter how "useless" we deem the title to be, angry.bob was working through to get that title.....and was cheated out by some bug.  You can call it a "pussy" title, but we all play MMOs for different reasons. That is the beauty of it.  To quit however, still seems a bit drastic..but I totally understand the frustration.

[Riggswolfe]

I understand the frustration, no matter how "useless" we deem the title to be, angry.bob was working through to get that title.....and was cheated out by some bug.  You can call it a "pussy" title, but we all play MMOs for different reasons. That is the beauty of it.  To quit however, still seems a bit drastic..but I totally understand the frustration.

I understand the frustration. I even tried to get the title. Then I died. Said "well fuck!" and kept playing.

[Cadaverine]

I lost my chance at the title last night at level 11, after killing a bandit, and having it continue shooting me.   I was bummed, but it only took a couple hours to get there, so it's not as if I couldn't start over.

[Bandit]

Yup, was planning on trying it myself.  That is unil I encountered that quest in the shire under the willow tree in which you have to fight off bees and bears.  The quest was completely underconned, or should have required a small group.

[Tmon]

Yup, was planning on trying it myself.  That is unil I encountered that quest in the shire under the willow tree in which you have to fight off bees and bears.  The quest was completely underconned, or should have required a small group.

I saw a dev posting where they were going to review some of the quests to make sure they correctly indicated small group.   I remember I got the level 8 or so before my first death, I thought about starting an alt just to try getting the title but the play style needed to reach it is just completely alien to me.  You know I'd like to see a title for sacrificing yourself trying to save group mates who run around in circles screaming when they draw agro.  Good Lord how hard is it to remember RUN TO THE TANK AND STOP WHEN YOU DRAW AGGRO (in caps because caps make it so or so I've been told.)

[Phred]

I lost my chance at the title last night at level 11, after killing a bandit, and having it continue shooting me.   I was bummed, but it only took a couple hours to get there, so it's not as if I couldn't start over.

What kills me a lot in early levels is #*(&(&$ runners running off to other groups and agroing them when I try to stop them. Why the hell have run away code in the game when not one class gets any sort of snare spell at all. That's just mean.

[cmlancas]

I lost my chance at the title last night at level 11, after killing a bandit, and having it continue shooting me.   I was bummed, but it only took a couple hours to get there, so it's not as if I couldn't start over.

What kills me a lot in early levels is #*(&(&$ runners running off to other groups and agroing them when I try to stop them. Why the hell have run away code in the game when not one class gets any sort of snare spell at all. That's just mean.

Burglars get snare. 25% reduction.

[Phred]

I lost my chance at the title last night at level 11, after killing a bandit, and having it continue shooting me.   I was bummed, but it only took a couple hours to get there, so it's not as if I couldn't start over.

What kills me a lot in early levels is #*(&(&$ runners running off to other groups and agroing them when I try to stop them. Why the hell have run away code in the game when not one class gets any sort of snare spell at all. That's just mean.

Burglars get snare. 25% reduction.

Someone needs to tell all the burglars I've grouped with then. On that subject, has anyone noticed LoTR seems to have found a whole new crop of newbie gamers or something? I've had some of the worst pickup groups since WoW in this game. It's really killing my enjoyment of the game when my book is full of group quests in the mid 20's and I can barely find a competant group to finish ahy.

[CmdrSlack]

Hunters also have shots and stances + shots that give them a couple of run speed reductions as well. I don't know if they stack with the burglar snare ability, but it at least slows the runners down.

Granted, as a hunter, my main goal is to drop the damn mob before it gets to melee range, but sometimes you gotta go toe-to-toe.

[Zedword]

I lost my chance at the title last night at level 11, after killing a bandit, and having it continue shooting me.   I was bummed, but it only took a couple hours to get there, so it's not as if I couldn't start over.

What kills me a lot in early levels is #*(&(&$ runners running off to other groups and agroing them when I try to stop them. Why the hell have run away code in the game when not one class gets any sort of snare spell at all. That's just mean.

Burglars get snare. 25% reduction.

Someone needs to tell all the burglars I've grouped with then. On that subject, has anyone noticed LoTR seems to have found a whole new crop of newbie gamers or something? I've had some of the worst pickup groups since WoW in this game. It's really killing my enjoyment of the game when my book is full of group quests in the mid 20's and I can barely find a competant group to finish ahy.

Games whose main selling point is a particular IP or niche gaming market typically are flooded with more noobish players than a game whose main selling point is that it's a great game.

Worst example I ever experienced first hand was city of heroes at it's first release, flooded with comic fan bois with little to no game experience. I still remember them crying on the forums about why tankers, the class with the highest defense in the game, didn't also have ungodly damage output. People like me, would be like "doesn't it sound weird to you to have the class with the highest defense in the game also have the highest offense?" and then they would say something like "but omg, superman would totally kick daredevil's ass!"

I think you're experiencing the tolkien LARP crowd in LotRO.

--Zedword, considering taking his LotrO out of the packing finally.

[Riggswolfe]

Someone needs to tell all the burglars I've grouped with then. On that subject, has anyone noticed LoTR seems to have found a whole new crop of newbie gamers or something? I've had some of the worst pickup groups since WoW in this game. It's really killing my enjoyment of the game when my book is full of group quests in the mid 20's and I can barely find a competant group to finish ahy.

Maybe it varies by server? I'm on Landroval (RP nerd server) and the groups have been fantastic. Even with weird group makeups we're kicking ass for the most part. (by weird group makeups I mean groups without the holy trinity.) I killed the final boss in the Barrow downs with me (Champion), 3 hunters, and 2 minstrels for pete's sake.

[Hutch]

Hunters also have shots and stances + shots that give them a couple of run speed reductions as well. I don't know if they stack with the burglar snare ability, but it at least slows the runners down.

Granted, as a hunter, my main goal is to drop the damn mob before it gets to melee range, but sometimes you gotta go toe-to-toe.

FWIW, Loremaster's have a snare (slow attack and run speed) and a stun.

[Hound]

Someone needs to tell all the burglars I've grouped with then. On that subject, has anyone noticed LoTR seems to have found a whole new crop of newbie gamers or something? I've had some of the worst pickup groups since WoW in this game. It's really killing my enjoyment of the game when my book is full of group quests in the mid 20's and I can barely find a competant group to finish ahy.

Maybe it varies by server? I'm on Landroval (RP nerd server) and the groups have been fantastic. Even with weird group makeups we're kicking ass for the most part. (by weird group makeups I mean groups without the holy trinity.) I killed the final boss in the Barrow downs with me (Champion), 3 hunters, and 2 minstrels for pete's sake.

Must vary with server On Silverlode tonight we had 2 minstrels, a lore master and a burglar in a pick up group and were taking on yellow con elites 2 at a time. Since release I have had one shiitty group where there was a pair of ninja looting assholes and I dropped them and mapped out just before they got to the boss mob in a instance, the moral being don't piss off the healer.

[Phred]

Must vary with server On Silverlode tonight we had 2 minstrels, a lore master and a burglar in a pick up group and were taking on yellow con elites 2 at a time. Since release I have had one shiitty group where there was a pair of ninja looting assholes and I dropped them and mapped out just before they got to the boss mob in a instance, the moral being don't piss off the healer.

Must vary then. I'm on Nimrondel and damn if half the groups I get in have half the people not even reading group chat (and no they don't have voice chat on either), wandering around where ever their curiosity takes them and pulling agro back to the group. I had a group last night in Lonelands doing Our greatest find or whatever that quest is in the elite goblin area and we fucking failed it, after training ourselves repeatedly finally wiped the group.

I'm also really starting to hate elite mobs in this game. Outdoors low-20 elite mobs are worth maybe 20 xp more than normal mobs the same level and take three times the work to kill.

[cmlancas]

I lost my chance at the title last night at level 11, after killing a bandit, and having it continue shooting me.   I was bummed, but it only took a couple hours to get there, so it's not as if I couldn't start over.

What kills me a lot in early levels is #*(&(&$ runners running off to other groups and agroing them when I try to stop them. Why the hell have run away code in the game when not one class gets any sort of snare spell at all. That's just mean.

Burglars get snare. 25% reduction.

Someone needs to tell all the burglars I've grouped with then. On that subject, has anyone noticed LoTR seems to have found a whole new crop of newbie gamers or something? I've had some of the worst pickup groups since WoW in this game. It's really killing my enjoyment of the game when my book is full of group quests in the mid 20's and I can barely find a competant group to finish ahy.

Come play on Silverlode then with Toha and Trebo. We're both ~19ish and it would take you all of three days to get to group with us. Even better, if you play a leather user, I'm a master journeyman tailor (tier 2). I'll show you what a good burglar is all about.

[tkinnun0]

There is NO difference between having the title and not having it.

The difference is in future potential. Turbine could be stupid and add a quest that's available to only those with the title. MMOs evolve. It's a bad idea to not allow your character to evolve with them.

[CmdrSlack]

There is NO difference between having the title and not having it.

The difference is in future potential. Turbine could be stupid and add a quest that's available to only those with the title. MMOs evolve. It's a bad idea to not allow your character to evolve with them.

Riiight. Well, if we're living in "Turbine could fuck up land," they could also auto-delete everyone WITH the title's characters. 

This does not evolve a character. It doesn't. It is not a trait that gives stat bonuses. It is text. That floats next to your head. 

Are you really that daft or are you just a contrarian asshat?

[cmlancas]

There is NO difference between having the title and not having it.

The difference is in future potential. Turbine could be stupid and add a quest that's available to only those with the title. MMOs evolve. It's a bad idea to not allow your character to evolve with them.

Going to have to agree with Slack here for sure. I have not found a way so far to fuck up your character beyond repair. You can waste your time grinding for Will traits when might/vitality will suit you better, but at least you're getting experience from the deed and you aren't forced to use the traits. Literally all you get is floaty text. I can't understand how the hell that makes your character worse.

I'd argue maybe 5% of the people on the game made it to twenty without dying. Plus, there are cooler titles to be had. Slug Squasher is way cooler than Undefeated anyway.

[CmdrSlack]

Shire Brewmaster > Undying or Undefeated or whatever.

Beer > epeen

[lesion]

I'd argue maybe 5% of the people on the game made it to twenty without dying.

motivation? in MY vagina?

[cmlancas]

I'd argue maybe 5% of the people on the game made it to twenty without dying.

motivation? in MY vagina?

I don't get it. What are you trying to say here? ><

[lesion]

nothing, I just wanted to reference centipedes

I was going to back up angry.bob but I am way too late for that, so.

[cmlancas]

I don't know, I don't think there really is a defence to quitting your subscription simply because you didn't get a title. It doesn't take a lifetime to get to twenty in this game, so I don't think deleting and starting over is too traumatic.

[tazelbain]

I'd argue maybe 5% of the people on the game made it to twenty without dying.

motivation? in MY vagina?

Does it have a monologue?

Blatantly stolen from Woopie.

[lesion]

I don't know, I don't think there really is a defence to quitting your subscription simply because you didn't get a title. It doesn't take a lifetime to get to twenty in this game, so I don't think deleting and starting over is too traumatic.

if angry.bob set his heart on getting the title and slow death by rubberbanding denied the ability to achieve that goal when he was so close, I will posit that it is perfectly acceptable for one as angry as bob to not continue paying for something subjectively deemed "not fun"

[cmlancas]

I don't know, I don't think there really is a defence to quitting your subscription simply because you didn't get a title. It doesn't take a lifetime to get to twenty in this game, so I don't think deleting and starting over is too traumatic.

if angry.bob set his heart on getting the title and slow death by rubberbanding denied the ability to achieve that goal when he was so close, I will posit that it is perfectly acceptable for one as angry as bob to not continue paying for something subjectively deemed "not fun"

Fair enough. I still think it's stupid. My vagina is angry.

[Riggswolfe]

I don't know, I don't think there really is a defence to quitting your subscription simply because you didn't get a title. It doesn't take a lifetime to get to twenty in this game, so I don't think deleting and starting over is too traumatic.

if angry.bob set his heart on getting the title and slow death by rubberbanding denied the ability to achieve that goal when he was so close, I will posit that it is perfectly acceptable for one as angry as bob to not continue paying for something subjectively deemed "not fun"

Well..he IS named angry bob after all

[tkinnun0]

This does not evolve a character. It doesn't. It is not a trait that gives stat bonuses. It is text. That floats next to your head. 

Yeah, and stats are just bits in some database. So what?

"These stone tablets I got, they tell which bits are important. The rest are insignificant!" That about sums it up.

[Krakrok]

Death is so meaningless in LOTRO, I use it for travel. They need a 'Sir Dies a Lot' title.

[Kail]

Death is so meaningless in LOTRO, I use it for travel. They need a 'Sir Dies a Lot' title.

I believe that would be "the White".

[CmdrSlack]

This does not evolve a character. It doesn't. It is not a trait that gives stat bonuses. It is text. That floats next to your head. 

Yeah, and stats are just bits in some database. So what?

"These stone tablets I got, they tell which bits are important. The rest are insignificant!" That about sums it up.

Well, the difference is that the game design and code pretty much dictate which bits are important. Titles are fluffy, fuzzy things that people like to cuddle and squeeze and call George.  I am quite proud of my Shire Brewmaster title. However, it provides no in-game benefit. I just think that describing lack of what is at best a nostalgic/emotional reward as gimping a character is utterly moronic and obtuse.

See, stats are different because, you know, they impart an actual in-game benefit. The code and design make them important. The function of titles is purely nifty and therefore is not as key as the function of a stat or trait or whatever.

[tkinnun0]

MMOs are about growing your e-peen, right? We can argue whether your e-peen is not worse off aesthetically if you don't get the title. We can't argue whether an MMO where your e-peen growth in certain direction can be stumped permanently is not worse than a one where your growth can only be stumped temporarily; the latter is objectively better.

[CmdrSlack]

MMOs are about growing your e-peen, right? We can argue whether your e-peen is not worse off aesthetically if you don't get the title. We can't argue whether an MMO where your e-peen growth in certain direction can be stumped permanently is not worse than a one where your growth can only be stumped temporarily; the latter is objectively better.

I disagree with your central premise as to the point of MMOs.

[tkinnun0]

Well now, that doesn't bode well for my point, then. 

[Rithrin]

What I find amusing is that everyone has dozens and dozens of titles. Titles aren't unique or special anymore. In fact, its near impossible to read individual titles when everyone is bunched up in the auction hall or in some dungeon. Even if someone does get the No Death Till Level 20 title, no one is going to notice it.