5/30 - Shadowrun (PC, Xbox360)

[sinij]

FPS with consoleitis

I hate every single one of you console idiots that kept buying FPS games on a console. FPS requires K+M. I hope you die in a power cord fire or get killed by flying remote for fagging it up for the rest of us.

[murdoc]

FPS with consoleitis

I hate every single one of you console idiots that kept buying FPS games on a console. FPS requires K+M. I hope you die in a power cord fire or get killed by flying remote for fagging it up for the rest of us.

What FPS's have been "fagged up" by console users?

[lesion]

Brick Poncho's Chaps series was, at one point, a game about shooting others in a manly, heterosexual fashion

[WayAbvPar]

FPS with consoleitis

I hate every single one of you console idiots that kept buying FPS games on a console. FPS requires K+M. I hope you die in a power cord fire or get killed by flying remote for fagging it up for the rest of us.

Amen. Every console jockey means less work on the port to PC. Nothing drives me crazy faster than a shitty fucking interface that is obviously tarded down for consoles. Now, if they would only let me play against the thumb-aiming retards...

[Rasix]

I clean my controllers with your tears.

[Ironwood]

Yeah, Supreme Commander totally blew.

However, just to depress you further, consider this :  All the Game Innovations are now done.  We're at the end.  All you're going to see from now on is graphical and interface updates to the same old shit.

Once again, Happy To be Wrong.

[Rasix]

This is why HD is nice.  Groundhog day is a lot better when it's shiny.

You're not going to crush my hopes for Bioshock.  I won't let you  :-D  If they nail the plot and the atmosphere, the rest is all gravy. Those are what made SS2 for me. 

[Ironwood]

FPS with consoleitis

I hate every single one of you console idiots that kept buying FPS games on a console. FPS requires K+M. I hope you die in a power cord fire or get killed by flying remote for fagging it up for the rest of us.

What FPS's have been "fagged up" by console users?

Thief and Hitman for me.

You can argue, of course.  But I'm not listening.  :D

[Nonentity]

Yeah, Supreme Commander totally blew.

However, just to depress you further, consider this :  All the Game Innovations are now done.  We're at the end.  All you're going to see from now on is graphical and interface updates to the same old shit.

Once again, Happy To be Wrong.

You say that, I think this:

[Sky]

I was getting a bad feeling from the PC Gamer article, too. Not quite so bad as our Scot, but not as tingly as I felt watching the earlier footage. Maybe it was just the 360 shots, but the graphics looked a lot worse. I can't see the 360 development helping the game much.

But I can hardly blame Irrational after the weak sales of their FUCKING WICKED games. What's up with that, anyway? So...they make a good business decision and go to consoles. For money, not a better gaming experience, kids.

Anyway. The atmosphere looks pretty good, still. The gameplay has me a bit worried, but I'll reserve judgement until I'm not making assumptions from some screenshots and an interview ;)

At least it's not coming out in 2009. Godammit.

[Daeven]

Well, there's always....

*casts about for something to look forward to*

Um. Dragon Age? Is Bioware still making that? Yeah. Dragon Age is going to rock. So neener neener consolepeoples.

[Strazos]

I hate consoleitis, but Gears of War was Pure Fucking Manna.

Also, sniper headshots. Best Ever.

[Yegolev]

Gears is awesome for a console FPS.  It would solve some annoying things if it had been developed for PC.

[sinij]

Thief and Hitman for me.

DeusEx2

[sinij]

I hate consoleitis, but Gears of War was Pure Fucking Manna.

It would have been 100 times better with top of the line PC gaming rig and K+M... so would KoTOR 1&2 and Jade Empire.

[AngryGumball]

On  a Side Note,

I am completely convinced that the reason that Unreal Tournament 3 has not been shipped yet is because of the fucking console ports being made.

And that it will be less of a fucking awesome game because of the fucking consoles.

Add in a little screw you to Mark Rein for not being so talkative to the actual players of the game instead of trying to goose up the press as much.

[Ironwood]

Thief and Hitman for me.

DeusEx2

You could be right.  I avoided it like the fucking plague.

[HaemishM]

I hate consoleitis, but Gears of War was Pure Fucking Manna.

It would have been 100 times better with top of the line PC gaming rig and K+M... so would KoTOR 1&2 and Jade Empire.

KoToR 1 & 2 and Jade Empire would have been no better if developed exclusively for the PC, because they didn't do anything special that you need a keyboard and mouse for. The graphics would have been higher resolution and that's it. The underlying engine, the same engine they've used since Neverwinter Nights, wasn't designed as a full 3D engine, and wasn't that great when developed purely for the PC, as when it was used in Neverwinter Nights. While you may have a number of other titles that would prove your point, those 3 do not prove your point at all.

[Strazos]

Haemish beat me to it.

Also, Gears works perfectly fine on the 360 as a shooter, not just a console shooter, because with most weapons your aim is not perfectly precise.

By Design. Meaning - even with a KB + Mouse, you wouldn't have much (if any) aiming advantage. I think it really adds to the frenetic atmosphere of the game.

[Sky]

KotOR and JE are not shooters where precise aiming is required. One is a pseudo-turned-based game ala BG2, the other is a pseudo-fighter and fighting games are always better with gamepads. Bad examples. Of course, we could talk about higher poly models, better texturing and effects, larger areas, less loading, more intricate AI...the limitations of consoles only start with the interface.

GoW looks cool, but I refuse to ever play a shooter with thumbsticks. It's a horrid control device for precise applications, needs cheats to help out aiming, and uses the clumsiest of manual digits while relegating the majority of precise digits to holding it. Sorry, didn't mean to rant on consoles here, but the truth is what it is.

[Yegolev]

Also, Gears works perfectly fine on the 360 as a shooter, not just a console shooter, because with most weapons your aim is not perfectly precise.

I am mostly bothered by how I have to duck behind a low obstacle before I can hop over it.  Also, I don't get the inability to jump in a FPS... TPS whatever.  Person Shooter.  I blame the lack of jumping on the lack of buttons on the 360 controller, which means Gears has CONSOLITIS.

Only seeing aiming when looking at a FPS, I don't get that either, it's like when you say K+M you just mean the M.  I miss the K in a lot of consolized games.

[murdoc]

The 'duck before hurdle' is lame, but I just justify the no jump button by thinking that there is no way someone could wear all that armour and be able to jump. :D

[Yegolev]

Bah, those fuckers are huge, they could jump like the Hulk if they wanted.  They could at least just step over some of those barricades.

[Strazos]

I don't use many keys when playing shooters.... WASD, ctrl, alt, possibly shift, sometimes 2-6 other keys. I don't usually have a "not enough buttons" problem with console shooters, personally.

[Sky]

Then you're playing the wrong shooters ;)

[Yegolev]

I think the minimum these days includes a separate reload, jump and a use key.  There's also squad-control buttons at times.  In any case, can you give me a reason for jumping to be excluded from Gears that does not involve CONSOLITIS?

[MisterNoisy]

I think the minimum these days includes a separate reload, jump and a use key.  There's also squad-control buttons at times.  In any case, can you give me a reason for jumping to be excluded from Gears that does not involve CONSOLITIS?

I liked the lack of jumping, if only because it eliminated having otherwise great gritty visuals destroyed by the silliness of bunny-hopping retards.  I could have dealt with jumping if it imposed something of a movement penalty/feeling of shifting a lot of mass around like the rest of the game's movement (needing to coil and leap, then recover afterwards - not unrealistic given the tons of gear each guy was toting), though.

[WindupAtheist]

I'll buy a new console and relegate my PC to the status of an intarweb-reading box before I let some dipshit blackmail me into upgrading just to play some dumbass game.  Or PC games in general.  I call your bluff, gaming industry.  Make all PC games require Vista and I just won't bother playing PC games.

You're not getting your ransom money, so go ahead and kill the bitch.

[Yegolev]

We will see what your tune is when Mark Jacobs trots out Vista-only Ultima Online.

[Sky]

I'll upgrade for a few games. Well, probably dual-boot if drivers still aren't kosher by then. Problem is, there's no reason right now. Two dx10 games (Company of Heroes and Call of Juarez) and a demo (Lost Planet). And I think those are available in dx9 versions, too.

But I agree with the principle of not buying games that MS made Vista-only "just 'cause". That's fucking awful and I hope the sales tank.

[Kail]

But I agree with the principle of not buying games that MS made Vista-only "just 'cause". That's fucking awful and I hope the sales tank.

Saw this game on the shelf today and noticed that it had a little "Play for one month FREE" logo at the bottom... so I guess you need to subscribe to Live to play it too...?

[Strazos]

I think the minimum these days includes a separate reload, jump and a use key.  There's also squad-control buttons at times.  In any case, can you give me a reason for jumping to be excluded from Gears that does not involve CONSOLITIS?

Make the game more tactical? Bunnyhopping would have been entirely out of place in the game? Has jumping even been an option in a Rainbow Six game, or Operation: Flashpoint (among others)?

Also, I just spammed the A button when I want to jump over a barricade

[Big Gulp]

I am mostly bothered by how I have to duck behind a low obstacle before I can hop over it.  Also, I don't get the inability to jump in a FPS... TPS whatever.  Person Shooter.  I blame the lack of jumping on the lack of buttons on the 360 controller, which means Gears has CONSOLITIS.

A) Anything that prevents bunny hoppers is an unmitigated blessing.

B) If this is consolitis, I say bring it on bitches.  Jumping to console gaming has already allowed me to play better games and to avoid upgrading my computer.  My PC already does everything I want it to do, any further upgrades would be simply for gaming.  Thankfully I've left that treadmill.

[Yegolev]

Make the game more tactical? Bunnyhopping would have been entirely out of place in the game? Has jumping even been an option in a Rainbow Six game, or Operation: Flashpoint (among others)?

I am not, if you look back, complaining about the jumping so much as I am complaining about having to crouch to jump over a barricade.  So, jumping is actually in Gears but it is implemented badly and my overuse of the word CONSOLITIS continues.  If I was not able to hop over a barricade at all, I might not be bothered by it.  Many games do not have jumping.

I would also be wary of using Rainbow Six as a comparison for anything, unless you are restricting the discussion to military-style shooters.  Because it kinda sucks.

[Yegolev]

A) Anything that prevents bunny hoppers is an unmitigated blessing.

I don't want to give the impression that I am advocating bunnyhoppers.  Not.  At.  All.  I am advocating a jump-over-barrricade button, something that does not slow down my charge.  It's a control change rather than a game design change.