Vista has issues with DX9 games

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A small but significant number of games written for Windows XP either crash or creep along slowly on Vista, according to numerous complaints by game enthusiasts in online forums. Most of the problems have been found in popular first-person shooter games such as CounterStrike, Half-Life 2, Doom 3 and F.E.A.R. Meanwhile, games written to take advantage of DirectX 10 have been slow to emerge. And one Nvidia executive predicts that gamers may not routinely see games optimized for DirectX 10 until mid-2008.

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[Murgos]

New Microsoft OS buggy, unstable, POS unable to operate effectively with even the most common of applications run on it's predecessor.  News at 11.

[SnakeCharmer]

Call me in two years when Vista actually somewhat works.

Fuck Vista.  Fuck IE 7.0.

[Alkiera]

Call me in two years when Vista actually somewhat works.

Fuck Vista.  Fuck IE 7.0.

I'll agree with Vista, it seems to be the WinME of this generation of OSs.  However I don't get the IE7 hate.  It actually shows that competition was hurting them enough that they actually coded to the recognized standards (CSS, for ex.)  instead of trying the 'embrace and extend' strategy that got them where they were. 

Has anyone else seen the new 'mac vs pc' commercial, where the PC has a security guy asking him 'cancel or allow?' for every exchange of dialogue?  It's good stuff.

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Alkiera

[SnakeCharmer]

Call me in two years when Vista actually somewhat works.

Fuck Vista.  Fuck IE 7.0.

I'll agree with Vista, it seems to be the WinME of this generation of OSs.  However I don't get the IE7 hate.  It actually shows that competition was hurting them enough that they actually coded to the recognized standards (CSS, for ex.)  instead of trying the 'embrace and extend' strategy that got them where they were. 

Has anyone else seen the new 'mac vs pc' commercial, where the PC has a security guy asking him 'cancel or allow?' for every exchange of dialogue?  It's good stuff.

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Alkiera

Bolded what I am expressly replying to.

I hate 7.0 for a myriad of reasons, chief among them are that it's a poor copy of Firefox, and it seemed that every website I went to, a security message popped up.  I am all for security and protection and whatnot, but good God, IE7 took it to extremes.  Let me set my own preferences, then just leave it be.  I don't need a warning everytime some website has a cookie, is 'potentially' unsecure, or hasn't met MS's certification or whatnot.
 

[HaemishM]

As a web developer, IE7 sucks monkey balls. It's adherence to the standards is typical IE7, it's new yet everyone else has them features like tabbed browsing has been done better elsewhere, and it has issues with object tags that IE introduced to the web standards years ago, requiring developers to go back and redo pages they'd already done just because Microsoft doesn't like people bitching about how insecure its shit is. Fuck IE7 in its tiny, firewalled asshole.

[Trippy]

Call me in two years when Vista actually somewhat works.

Fuck Vista.  Fuck IE 7.0.

I'll agree with Vista, it seems to be the WinME of this generation of OSs.  However I don't get the IE7 hate.  It actually shows that competition was hurting them enough that they actually coded to the recognized standards (CSS, for ex.)  instead of trying the 'embrace and extend' strategy that got them where they were. 

It would be nice if IE 7 had better support for CSS but it doesn't. It's slightly better than IE 6 but nowhere near Firefox or Opera. So Web designers trying to design cross-browser compatible pages are still screwed.

[raydeen]

I've learned my lesson about upgrading Windows systems and components. I wait to see what shitstorms hit other people and then decide if it's a good thing or not. IE7 is so broken it's not funny. I've had quite a few co-workers say that they've had to downgrade to IE6 to get some websites to work properly again. And even IE6 is a pain in the ass right now. I did minor revisions to a website I built a year ago and found that suddenly the Flash buttons I had used required a double click in IE. I had to run a program called Flash Release (I think that's the name) which encapsulated the buttons in javascript to get them to operate properly again. MS needs to just start from scratch at this point. Or give up and concentrate on the XBox. It seems the least broken of all their products.

[Calantus]

Call me in two years when Vista actually somewhat works.

Fuck Vista.  Fuck IE 7.0.

I'll agree with Vista, it seems to be the WinME of this generation of OSs.  However I don't get the IE7 hate.  It actually shows that competition was hurting them enough that they actually coded to the recognized standards (CSS, for ex.)  instead of trying the 'embrace and extend' strategy that got them where they were. 

You mean other than being slower than firefox, harder to customise than Firefox, and being a pain in the ass with security? It gives me security messages when I'm checking pages I'm developing on my localhost. On my LOCALHOST ffs. Not to mention certain things just... don't work on it when they really should so you have to dumb down pages to work in it because so many people have it because it's shoved down their throats. Also it's always changing my homepage or sending me to the microsoft site when updates are around. I specifically set homepage to about:blank so I don't have to deal with loading shit when I open my browser thankyou. And where is the toolbar with file, edit, view, tools, help, etc? When did it become vogue to hide shit so I can't find it? Argh!

The WORST part though? Everything is made for IE, whcih sometimes means ONLY IE can use them properly. Every so often I have to use IE to be able to use pages (like my netbank :() and it just pisses me off. They should all follow a fucking standard and just differentiate on browser features/stability/speed/etc. It's not microsoft's job to develop web standards anymore.

[Zetleft]

I do tech support stuff over the phone with idiots.  I hate IE7 and its need to fuck with things like hiding the menu bar and dicking around with the homepage.  And the average joe user really spewed hatred after that nice little auto windows update.  Everyone needs to learn the love of Firefox and the Firefox IE Tab for those annoying 'only IE' pages. 

[naum]

IE7 appears to very buggy, especially with AJAXy sites. For instance, in testing, I've seen it kick out script errors for JS remote calls, but the funny thing is that it's totally sporadic, and by just random clicking through internet options (without toggling anything off/on), it can alleviate the problem or not. And there's some CSS gotchas they still haven't fixed…

[Murgos]

I'm so glad I am out of web development.  Having to do everything twice was just ridiculous and now it sounds like everything will have to be done three times.  Once for standards compliant systems, once for IE 7 and once for IE 6 and all the legacy systems out there (hundreds of millions of people).

The level of frustration that was trying to break in a new guy who coded to IE 6 first and then thought he would be able to make a few changes to get it to work with the standards compliant stuff gives me migraines to this day.  I swear that MS did some of that intentionally to force you away from the standards.  I'm not even referring to the bounding box issue.  I mean stuff like alternate names for the same property where IE will recognize both as the same thing but no one else does.  If you're using a MS centric reference (like say Visual Studios and MSDN) you can wander right off the map to the point that your whole design might have to be redone.

If you are a budding web developer and you happen to be reading this, pay attention!  Code to the standards compliant stuff first and then go back and 'make it work' in IE.  Your life will be much easier.

[Calantus]

I'm just glad I rarely have to work on the front-end.

[Sky]

Everyone needs to learn the love of Firefox and the Firefox IE Tab for those annoying 'only IE' pages. 

If only they had an OSX version. We still need motherlovin' IE 5.0.2 or whatever the last version was before MS orphaned it in 2001.

[Jain Zar]

Ive yet to run into any site that isn't happy with Safari, so I guess I am lucky.
But nice to know that whenever I get an Intel Imac (sooner than later I hope!) that I should just buy XP for it.

[naum]

I'm so glad I am out of web development.  Having to do everything twice was just ridiculous and now it sounds like everything will have to be done three times.  Once for standards compliant systems, once for IE 7 and once for IE 6 and all the legacy systems out there (hundreds of millions of people).

The level of frustration that was trying to break in a new guy who coded to IE 6 first and then thought he would be able to make a few changes to get it to work with the standards compliant stuff gives me migraines to this day.  I swear that MS did some of that intentionally to force you away from the standards.  I'm not even referring to the bounding box issue.  I mean stuff like alternate names for the same property where IE will recognize both as the same thing but no one else does.  If you're using a MS centric reference (like say Visual Studios and MSDN) you can wander right off the map to the point that your whole design might have to be redone.

If you are a budding web developer and you happen to be reading this, pay attention!  Code to the standards compliant stuff first and then go back and 'make it work' in IE.  Your life will be much easier.

Yes, definitely, just code to standard compliant and then patch the IE quirks… …and work from the high end down……has worked well for me… …the biggest bugaboo being the new IE7 security model (even latest IE6 updates messed up multimedia objects, requiring me to put some javascript together for no other purpose than to void the "press ENTER to activate" stupidity…). Meanwhile Windows machines continue to be botted… …this guy , creator of TCP/IP, says 25% of all computers are botted… ...even in our small shop, a couple of machines had to be reformatted, even though they're behind firewall and network security, as they were botted so bad, it actually uninstalled the AV. embedded itself so far in to prevent a timely cleansing…

…though it's IE6 + XP, still going to be  awhile to large scale Vista adoption as the best way to upgrade (for Win users) is to buy a new box with it already on it. I have a copy of Vista coming, destined for a MBP Parallels virtual machine, but I think my bossman is getting upgrades, which will make it a long drawn out install process... …installing XP on it was a snap but then it took all afternoon to DL patch after patch after patch…

Biggest gotcha I have had to deal with IE6/IE7 is invisible DIV deals, and hacking up CSS to make sure portions of pages don't go invisible for IE6 viewers… …and it's still not totally fixed in IE7… …that and forgetting to take into account most folks browsing the web are still mired in 1024x768 on less than premier quality monitors, as opposed to 23" ACD and 1600x1200 20" panels…