Oprah Zulu

[Signe]

Don't talk about my Link-Fu.

[voodoolily]

Kraftwerk.

The progenitors of Electronica, kthx.

Um, I don't think so. Electronica was CLEARLY created by Jean-Jaques Perrey and other early masters of the moog synthesizer (circa early 60s). Hell - Emerson, Lake and Palmer were a fucking synth breakthrough for their time (seriously, dude, don't get me started). Just because a bunch of German fags started putting the shit in discoteques first doesn't mean they invented it. Even Laurie Anderson was fucking around with synth in the 70s. It was everywhere. Germans didn't even invent the ubiquitous 'n-st n-st n-st' redundant electronica beat. They just loved it before the rest of the world did.

[schild]

Voodoolily, I hate to say this:

Just like Welles is the father of modern cinema - Kraftwerk is the father of modern synthpop and electronica. It's simply how it is.

People don't give the Lumiere brothers credit for modern cinema - sure, they practically invented cinema, but they surely didn't make it an art form. They simply fucked around with a new technology. Much like the people you listed.

And those "faggy germans" might have well have invented n-st n-st n-st with Autobahn back in '74. Arguably, their sound wasn't perfected until 1978 with "The Robots" on Man-Machine. They pushed it a little further with "Pocket Calculator" in 1981 though. In 1986 they released Electric Cafe, with some tracks such as "Boing Boom Tschak" which were lightyears ahead of what some of the other popular bands were doing. Personally, I think the most replayable record is The Mix. But that's just me.

But that's neither here nor there, just because someone invents the instruments, it certainly doesn't mean they invent the art form.

I am adding and subtracting
I'm controlling and composing
I'm the operator with my pocket calculator

Edit: I will however grant you that Kraftwerk was obviously influenced by others. But it takes a combination of timing, skill, and pure luck to make a sweeping change in music style like they did, much like Welles did before them with cinema.

[Signe]

I used to use that bit of the song as my sig ages ago.  I love Kraftwerk.

[WayAbvPar]

Yet another reason to hate Germany. I bet they are somehow behind country music too. Evil geniuses.

[schild]

Yet another reason to hate Germany. I bet they are somehow behind country music too. Evil geniuses.

Nah, they're not. But Evil Geniuses indeed.

[voodoolily]

I wasn't saying that Kraftwerk isn't brilliant (and I use "fag" as a term of endearment. I actually wish I were one), I was just saying they didn't invent electronica. Which they didn't. The Brothers Quay also didn't invent stop-motion animation, they just made it creepy and wonderful. And Jimi Hendrix didn't invent the electric guitar, he just took it to unbelievable new heights. That was the only point I was making. But schild, I am impressed with your knowledge of (or ability to quickly google) the discography of Kraftwerk.

Edit: While I'm ranting, I'd also like to add that it annoys me when the true geniuses behind important memes in music (or any media, for that matter), don't get credit. I doubt most people who listen to electronica even know who Jean-Jacques Perry is (not that his music has much to do with modern electro). Or Africa Bambata (who, I believe, was sampled early on by German electro artists). And how many little wigger hip-hop wannabes know who Gil Scott Herron is? Or UTFO? They think fucking Sir Mix-A-Lot is old skool. Old skool my ass.

[Furiously]

I don't understand :  They can actually measure the Midochlorians in your DNA now ?

OMG.

(Oh and the Scots don't need your prick.  We have enough pricks over here...)

The force is strong in this one.

[schild]

I wasn't saying that Kraftwerk isn't brilliant (and I use "fag" as a term of endearment. I actually wish I were one), I was just saying they didn't invent electronica. Which they didn't. The Brothers Quay also didn't invent stop-motion animation, they just made it creepy and wonderful. And Jimi Hendrix didn't invent the electric guitar, he just took it to unbelievable new heights. That was the only point I was making. But schild, I am impressed with your knowledge of (or ability to quickly google) the discography of Kraftwerk.

I have a long history of synth and electronica. Quite comprehensive (couple thousand CDs). That said, I think I said "they might as well have inventended it." That said, Strazos was absolutely right in using the word progenitor - which I do believe means "direct ancestor" which is to say - synthpop and much goth couldn't exist without them. They are the progenitors.

Normally I stay away from musical conversations because I'm an egomaniac about it. But I couldn't help but edumacate you a bit ;)

[Daydreamer]

That techno/synth know-how needs a workout - perhaps a game of Six-Degrees-to-Kraftwerk is in order?

[Signe]

I'm beginning to think six degrees to Schild is a viable game.

[Strazos]

You're only a winner if you can successfully complete a game of "Six Degrees to Strazos."

That would be difficult.

[voodoolily]

Six degrees to strazos (in reverse order, with strazos being the beginning):

1) Some nerd
2) some geek
3) some Adam Brody wannabe
4) some metrosexual
5) some fag
6) Kraftwerk

[Strazos]

Haha, you lose, loser.

Six degrees to strazos (in reverse order, with strazos being the beginning):

1) Some nerd
2) some geek
3) some Adam Brody wannabe
4) some metrosexual
5) some fag
6) Kraftwerk

1) correct
2) redundent
3) wrong (who?)
4) wrong (among other reasons, I have only fully shaved once in the past year or so, and designer labels can blow me).
5) er....wrong, heh. I believe you mean Schild.
6) n/a

Come on, I know someone can do better. 1EU to the winnar!

[voodoolily]

Strazos, the six-degree game isn't a list of your attributes, it's a connect-the-dots-using-random-people game. Adam Brody is Seth Cohen on the OC (an ADORABLE comic book geek who looks a little too hipsterish and has too many popular friends to be an actual geek). And, for the record, there is a distinct, albeit minute difference between a nerd and a geek. Some of us happen to be both.

[Strazos]

My understanding is that you must make an actual link between whatever is at the beginning and end of the game, IE - pick a random actor, and try to connect them to Kevin Bacon through movies.

A actor was in Blah with B, who was in Crap with C, who was in something with D, who was in Bling with Kevin Bacon.

That is why you lost.

[Pococurante]

Well well - "Oprah's team" is not above creating a nasty scene to sell books.

[Murgos]

What they wouldn't let her shop privately after the stores closing hours?  Those fucking bastards!  We should burn the place down!  Don't they know that this is the Zulu nation they're dealing with now?

We'll show them a 'crash moment'!!!

[Signe]

I haven't had bacon in ages.  It's supposed to be bad for you, you know.  It's lovely, though.  Sometimes I dream about eating bacon.  Bacon probably tastes better than anything.  In my dreams, I smoke cigarettes after eating bacon.

I miss bacon.   

[Shockeye]

Make sure you butter your bacon.

[Furiously]

Make sure you butter your bacon.

I always wanted to try wrapping cheese in bacon then battering it and deepfrying it.

[Signe]

You can call it" Furiously's Deep-Fried Cheesy Beer Battered Buttered Bacon" and sell it to people who are already terminally ill.

I think we're on to something.

[voodoolily]

Ahh, bacon. Now you guys are talking my language. I made a down-home feast for Sauced's 30th b-day on Monday and pretty much everything had bacon or salt pork in it - even the vegetables! You know what makes a killer panini? Use cornbread instead of panini (make sure the cornbread has bacon fat and is baked in a cast-iron skillet), and put a shitload of thick, smoked pepper bacon, cheddar cheese and roasted chilis on it. Heaven!!

[Shockeye]

Grilled cheese with bacon sandwiches are amazingly good.

[voodoolily]

Grilled cheese with bacon sandwiches are amazingly good.

Two great tastes that taste great together!

[Pococurante]

Lean Molasses Bacon, lightly buttered pan-grilled Jumbo shrimp/Prawns, frozen Jack cheese slivers, and young jalapenos sliced de-seeded and braised quickly in olive oil with fresh crush garlic and/or leek clove.  Wrap the assemblage, toothpick them, and toss on the gas grill with a few wet mesquite chips for no more than three minutes.

THAT is how you eat bacon... 

[Shockeye]

I find it appropriate that the Oprah thread has turned into a discussion on bacon.

I still remember the episode where she wheeled in a bag full of fat.

[OcellotJenkins]

Bacon on a stick is heaven out in the woods.  It's also one of the few meats that doesn't spoil on extended backpacking trips.

[voodoolily]

Bacon is the gastronomic pair of rose-colored glasses. It just makes everything much more lovely. Sigh. I love you, bacon!

But I also love sausage. God, what ISN'T a pig good at?

[Pococurante]

Flying.

[Shockeye]

But I also love sausage.

You can always bacon-up your sausage.

[Shockeye]

Flying.

Don't be so sure.

[voodoolily]

Flying.

tee hee!

Aw snap I was gonna post the Kids sketch, but Shockeye beat me to it. Oh, well.

I really should start baconing up my sausage. I have two ventricles, right?

[Pococurante]

Don't be so sure.

BWAHAHAHA! Nice.

But then I'm a line loser too.