Amazon attempts to eat EBStop's lunch

[Xuri]

My economic sense is so low it's nearly in the negative. Not only do I buy my games at full price, I'm also a fan of instant gratification and will buy the very first copy I come across even if there's a cheaper copy being sold online somewhere - or even in the next store over.

[schild]

My economic sense is so low it's nearly in the negative. Not only do I buy my games at full price, I'm also a fan of instant gratification and will buy the very first copy I come across even if there's a cheaper copy being sold online somewhere - or even in the next store over.

This.

[Velorath]

I think I could count the number of used games I've bought on one hand.  I'm a frequent visitor to cheapassgamer.com though and pick up stuff I'm only mildly interested in when I see it on sale cheap enough (Ninja Gaiden 2 for $10, Virtua Fighter 5 for $15).  Stuff I'm really interested in I'll almost always pick up new on release day (SFIV, Dead Space, RE5).

[Soln]

you can get release-day-delivery for a couple of new titles via AMZN

[Velorath]

you can get release-day-delivery for a couple of new titles via AMZN

I've also seen a lot of complaints though from people who pre-order a game from Amazon, only to have Amazon delay the shipping until one or two weeks after the game's release.

[Soln]

you can get release-day-delivery for a couple of new titles via AMZN

I've also seen a lot of complaints though from people who pre-order a game from Amazon, only to have Amazon delay the shipping until one or two weeks after the game's release.

they should be refunded then with something extra

[Jain Zar]

Who cares if you get it day one?  If you NEED a game day one something is wrong with you on SO MANY LEVELS. 
It'll still be a good game 2 weeks from release date.  Shit, it should still be a good game 2 YEARS later.

That's part of the reason we are in the economic state we are now.  Worrying about having pointless crap, and wanting it NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

[NiX]

Who cares if you get it day one?  If you NEED a game day one something is wrong with you on SO MANY LEVELS. 
It'll still be a good game 2 weeks from release date.  Shit, it should still be a good game 2 YEARS later.

That's part of the reason we are in the economic state we are now.  Worrying about having pointless crap, and wanting it NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

Let me know when you're done talking to that wall.

[Velorath]

Who cares if you get it day one?  If you NEED a game day one something is wrong with you on SO MANY LEVELS. 
It'll still be a good game 2 weeks from release date.  Shit, it should still be a good game 2 YEARS later.

That's part of the reason we are in the economic state we are now.  Worrying about having pointless crap, and wanting it NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

It's not about needing the game itself now.  It's the social aspect of discussing the game with others who are experiencing it at the same time.  Playing RE5 online with someone who is going through it for the first time at launch is going to be different than playing it online 2 years later.  Having a discussion about Fallout 3 when everyone is talking about all the cool shit they've come across is different than just reading through 10+ pages of a thread after the fact.  Playing Left 4 Dead with people the first couple weeks when people were still trying to figure everything out was different than playing Left 4 Dead for the first time today.

Wanting something NOW only has an effect on your economic state if you can't actually afford to buy it now.

[schild]

Who cares if you get it day one?  If you NEED a game day one something is wrong with you on SO MANY LEVELS. 
It'll still be a good game 2 weeks from release date.  Shit, it should still be a good game 2 YEARS later.

That's part of the reason we are in the economic state we are now.  Worrying about having pointless crap, and wanting it NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

It's not about needing the game itself now.  It's the social aspect of discussing the game with others who are experiencing it at the same time.  Playing RE5 online with someone who is going through it for the first time at launch is going to be different than playing it online 2 years later.  Having a discussion about Fallout 3 when everyone is talking about all the cool shit they've come across is different than just reading through 10+ pages of a thread after the fact.  Playing Left 4 Dead with people the first couple weeks when people were still trying to figure everything out was different than playing Left 4 Dead for the first time today.

Wanting something NOW only has an effect on your economic state if you can't actually afford to buy it now.

Late to the party threads are goddamn boring indeed.

[Jain Zar]

Who cares if you get it day one?  If you NEED a game day one something is wrong with you on SO MANY LEVELS. 
It'll still be a good game 2 weeks from release date.  Shit, it should still be a good game 2 YEARS later.

That's part of the reason we are in the economic state we are now.  Worrying about having pointless crap, and wanting it NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

It's not about needing the game itself now.  It's the social aspect of discussing the game with others who are experiencing it at the same time.  Playing RE5 online with someone who is going through it for the first time at launch is going to be different than playing it online 2 years later.  Having a discussion about Fallout 3 when everyone is talking about all the cool shit they've come across is different than just reading through 10+ pages of a thread after the fact.  Playing Left 4 Dead with people the first couple weeks when people were still trying to figure everything out was different than playing Left 4 Dead for the first time today.

Wanting something NOW only has an effect on your economic state if you can't actually afford to buy it now.

Late to the party threads are goddamn boring indeed.

But being empowered to be silly because of the Internet is also how animetards and furries got to be the way they are.
Doing something to keep up with PEOPLE ON THE INTERNETS is a really, REALLY stupid thing IMHO.
I learned that lesson back when Xenosaga came out. 
And have I felt bad about not getting Orange Box (and all the titles on it) or any other hot new game when it was new?
Not really.  I either avoid the thread till I get to it, or use the thread to convince me why I need it.  (Hint: Usually it tells me I should fucking avoid the game.  It has saved me from loading hell of Mass Effect, and Bioshock not being as good as System Shock 1 and 2.)

Who fuckin cares about keeping up with the Jonesesesseses? 

One of my favorite 8 bit arcade styled games I didn't find out about till 2003-4.  (Gremlins, Atari 5200, 8 bit computers for the interested.)

Maybe I am weird, but I like stretching my dollar.  Why spend 60 on a game when I can get it for 20, and then be able to buy THREE GAMES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE. 
That's just smart thinking.  It doesn't hurt I like wierd ass niche shit hardly anyone talks about anyhow. 

Plus I have other dorky hobbies.  Being a cheap ass allows me to afford this lovely bit of stuff:


I will never own 1/4th of what I want.  In many cases I look back and am GLAD I didn't just OOH OOH BUY NOW.  (In other cases it means I grew out of what I bought and want to sell it.  Like most of my toy collection.  And my Warmachine Cryx army.  Or my Warhammer and 40K Orc armies.)

I like to stretch my money to buy lots of fun things, or you know, put it away for  a rainy (what am I saying?  Every day is a rainy day for me.  Let's say more rainy then..) day.

[Hindenburg]

Did you just try to argue with someone about consumerism by posting a picture of your miniature collection?

9/10. I salute your effort.

[Velorath]

Who fuckin cares about keeping up with the Jonesesesseses? 

Who said anything about keeping up with the Joneses?

When I go see a new movie, I like watching it with other people who haven't seen the movie.  I like discussing the movie afterwards and seeing peoples' initial reactions.  I'm the same way with games.  A number of people at work (including my boss) picked up Street Fighter IV the week it came out, or at least played it.  It's nice to be able to be a part of the discussion, and to arrange playing against them online, whereas a year or two from now they'll have all moved on.

I've already said that I pick up a lot of stuff on sale.  The big games though, and especially anything with an online component, I think there's something to be said for getting swept up in the launch excitement.

[Jain Zar]

Did you just try to argue with someone about consumerism by posting a picture of your miniature collection?

9/10. I salute your effort.

I got those at 66% off dammit.  And buying cheaper games allowed me to get them at all.  The problem is I already want more of that army.  And I still dont have Dragon Quest 5 yet.  And Dark Spire is due real soon.  And I have yet to get Retro Game Challenge.

See, I have to be cheap because I want too much shit! 

I dumb.  But I have to be cheap so I can at least soothe my dumb consumer whore urges.

[Hindenburg]

Clearly.

See, mate, it's already clear that you're batshit insane.

The discussion you're trying to establish also won't end with an interesting note. It's mostly a PoV battle. Subjective to the maxx.

[Sky]

Pre-painted? Pfft 

[Jain Zar]

Pre-painted? Pfft 

Painting sucks ass, and takes away valuable time I can waste on other things.  Like getting through my insane game and DVD backlog.
I'm paying someone to finish up my 40K Eldar for me.  Decent paint jobs at a buck a model, or more if I want fancypants.
I CAN paint and could probably do alright if I wasn't lazy and hated doing it, but I am both lazy and hate doing it.
Last thing I got off my keister and painted took me a month of casual painting.



And they are simple ass wee ships and it took me quite some time for a mediocre paint job that was assisted by Krylon Fusion spraypaint (God's own spraypaint.), and a healthy use of drybrushing.
(The little silver tank is 1/600 scale, roughly the same scale as the ships.  Picoarmor.com.  Cheap and fun ultrasmall scale modern and WW2 minis imported from Poland and cheap.  Like 8 tanks for 4 bucks!)

See that lovely AT-43 Red Blok COMMIES IN SPAAACE walker behind the boats?  It COMES OUT OF THE BOX LIKE THAT.  (Excepting the flocked base.  I did that.  Way to keep track of what's mine.)
I could spend hours getting the sub par results these boats show, or take it out of the box like that walker.

I know which one I prefer.  So does my gamegroup too.

[Velorath]

Pre-painted? Pfft 

For fuck's sake, why'd you have to give him an opening?

[Sky]

For fuck's sake, why'd you have to give him an opening?

Because I love painting minis. And I can't find my poly s fantasy paints anymore. For me, gaming was just an excuse to buy and paint miniatures. Don't tell HAMMER.  And I can post the one pic I have of a few of my space wolves (I never actually played WH40k, heh):

[JWIV]

AT-43 is cool (i've got the starter set), but I just can't justify yet another wargame right now - WHFB and 2 4th ed D&D games chew up any free time I might have.  It also means however I have lots of excuses to paint. 

[Sky]

I hope to get back to it some day, if I can find some paints I like. Set up a new painting desk in my library....actually I need to work on getting that going. Really could use some non-GW paint recommendations. Just wish my local hobby shop were still here and I could just drop in and buy some floquil fantasy paints. Dammit.

Anyway, most of those wolves I posted were practice pieces working toward painting my better minis, I painted them in order of detail (4, 2, 3, 1) and was just starting to get down my concept for the unit's paint scheme. Then I was going to move on to my really cool pieces like the big khorne demon and eldar avatar.

I've always been really humbled as a mini painter because I grew up with two actual artists who painted minis. I learned a lot from them, one in particular was ridiculously good, I've never seen a professional paint as good as he did (he's a chef in LA now). But I never started painting until about 91 or so and stopped in 96 or 97 when I couldn't find paints anymore. Because of fucking GW buying out the whole shelf of paints and then driving the store out of business. Fuckers, the walmart of gaming, though WotC is sure making good progress of fucking up D&D :)

[JWIV]

I hope to get back to it some day, if I can find some paints I like. Set up a new painting desk in my library....actually I need to work on getting that going. Really could use some non-GW paint recommendations. Just wish my local hobby shop were still here and I could just drop in and buy some floquil fantasy paints. Dammit.

Vallejo is still good, but the new Citadel Foundation and Ink washes are actually fantastic and a billion times better than their old paints.

Also - my current project.  Need to do some detail work still (drybrushing and clean-up), but so far I'm liking this.

[Jain Zar]

AT-43 is cool (i've got the starter set), but I just can't justify yet another wargame right now - WHFB and 2 4th ed D&D games chew up any free time I might have.  It also means however I have lots of excuses to paint. 

Justify them at 66 or so percent off for quite a few unit types at Miniature Market and Warstore.  Its why I have  3 armies for AT 43, and 3 for Confrontation.  Especially when I would have had zero for the latter.

[JWIV]

oooooo  66% justifies many things.     

[Sky]

JWIV, so glossy. That's kind of what I mean, painting has gone in a direction very different from what I learned back in the 70s and 80s. I like very matte paints. The whole ink thing, we used to just do washes with thinned paint. I'll admit your ink washes look really nice, though.

[JWIV]

JWIV, so glossy. That's kind of what I mean, painting has gone in a direction very different from what I learned back in the 70s and 80s. I like very matte paints. The whole ink thing, we used to just do washes with thinned paint. I'll admit your ink washes look really nice, though.

I'm trying some wacky techniques so don't base your judgement entirely on what I'm doing. ;)  It's referred to as dipping or glazing, and involves applying polyurethene stain to the mini - I did a bunch of my smaller orcs and skaven with it, so to keep the same look, I tried it with my wyven piece - it brought out the detail but is crazy shiny - part of the cleanup I want to do is to actually dull it down a bit - I'm just dithering over how to go about doing it.

As to matte - honestly, I do a lot of washes and drybrushing because I can't paint a clean line to save myself.   It's why the thought of painting an army that would demand it (such as High Elves) causes me actual anxiety.   There will _always_ be a place though for clean sharp painting.  Your space wolves look sharp and would look good on any table.

[Cyrrex]

How did this thread turn into minis painting thread?  Go derail some other thread, geeks 

[Lantyssa]

Have you tried a matte clear coat or spray over the glaze?  Maybe even hairspray.  It should help, though it may make the clear layers too thick.

[Venkman]

I think I could count the number of used games I've bought on one hand. 

This. I don't buy used games. The only used things I've bought in the last few years were UMD videos for the PSP, and that ended when they dropped the prices of them to 2 for $10, even at airports. I generally just download the trial, and will maybe buy 1 in 5 of those. And usually be wrong. 

[Sky]

As to matte - honestly, I do a lot of washes and drybrushing because I can't paint a clean line to save myself.   It's why the thought of painting an army that would demand it (such as High Elves) causes me actual anxiety.   There will _always_ be a place though for clean sharp painting.  Your space wolves look sharp and would look good on any table.

Thanks, as I said, I was still dialing in the colors and techniques at that point. I've got two unfinished that were following the blond mohawk guy that looked similar to him, should snap a pic of them to show some progression stuff. I'm not good at clean lines, either, as I said, I grew up watching /real/ artists paint and win competitions. Once you've seen an ancient mage painted with single-hair brush veins and liver spots and discolorations, it makes anything less look cheesy. The one dude was /so good/.

You can see some bad freehand on the grey wings of the plastic mini. I was trying out custom wolf logos, you can see some of one on the left pad of the plastic mini. Also, I completely suck at bases, I just drop green paint on it and leave it be.

Cyrrex, yeah, I guess we should hide a mini thread in the Tabletop forum :)

edit: And done. If any mod feels the need to paste the derail over, that would rock. (I know, I'm not the boss of you :)) http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16395