Paging Mr. Mihaly - Text MMO?

[SirBruce]

But most of the people who make MMOGs aren't insulted.  Who is insulted?  The buyer, who wants to think they bought something "else"?  It may be useful from a marketing standpoint to tell the customer, "It's not a car.  It's a driving experience."  But it's still an automobile.

Now, personally I do think there are useful reasons to draw a distinction between MUDs and MMOGs in the general sense, but there's enough overlap for a MUD to fairly be called a MMOG (or at least, a small MMOG) without causing an uproar.

Bruce

[Azhrarn]

I would wager to bet 99.999999% (give or take a .000000001 margin of error) of the time that the employee of said store will never consider a MUD an MMORPG.

They might if Muds were actually sold in boxes at stores.  That doesn't remove it from the genre though.

[schild]

Look there's nothing massive about any mud anywhere. Even the biggest mud probably doesn't pull the same numbers as...let's say ATITD. So, if you want to call it a MOG and be in violation of a Squeenix property, that's fine. But Text MMOG is just, well, a lie.

[SirBruce]

Not sure about ATITD, but I'm pretty sure some MUDs out there pull more than, say, Neocron.

Bruce

PS - Was Ultima Online not really a MMOG until it passed, say, 1,000 subscribers?  So was it a MUD before then?  Or was it retroactively "always" a MMOG?

[schild]

Which proves my point. You arent sure of that. It would take an incredibly successful MUD in terms of population to have the playerbase of the crappiest MMOG on the market. I know this is an entire argument based on semantics - but nothing pisses me off more than false advertising.

[schild]

PS - Was Ultima Online not really a MMOG until it passed, say, 1,000 subscribers?  So was it a MUD before then?  Or was it retroactively "always" a MMOG?

I never thought of UO as a MUD. Afaik, the term MMOG didn't exist in my world until shortly after I started playing. But it was an apt term. I'd also consider The Realm - which I played for a long time - more of a MMOG than any MUD. However, games like Furtopia, Sociolotron and some others are completely different. I wouldn't call them MUDs or MMOGs.

[Joe]

The sky is ROYAL BLUE!

[Azhrarn]

No, it's blue.  The whole sky isn't the same shade of blue.  And what if you're wearing sunglasses?  Are we going by your perception of the particular shade?

[Joe]

You're not understanding. Today, it's royal blue. Tomorrow, it might be more of a cerulean. We need to make sure each shade of blue is categorized into its own indvidual subset, otherwise, color bleed could occur, and have you seen what that does to polyester shirts?

[buttons]

Fuck you guys.

[Azhrarn]

No, don't bring in your polyester rantings on this topic.  It really has nothing to do with the important issue at hand.  Is "blue" not an applicable term for the sky in general?

[Joe]

Well, you're drifting. "Blue" isn't really a term I'd use for sky. "Atmosphere" maybe, but "blue" is definitely more of a descriptive word rather than a method of categorizing our gate to the cosmos.

[Azhrarn]

Atmosphere is really more of what the sky resides in, or is a layer of.  And for the same reason, "royal" blue doesn't come anywhere close to capturing the true tonality of the sky.  It just doesn't cover enough area compared to say, "cerulean" blue.

And as we all know, "sky" blue in general has a much wider acceptance.

[buttons]

My "gate to the cosmos." I plan on having it moved in from the backyard any day now.

[Joe]

I simply give royal blue as an adjective in its current state. It may become curulean at a later date, but it's currently royal, and we should categorize it as such. I mean, how simplistic can you get to try to lump everything into the oh-so-generic "blue." There are millions of shades of color; why not use them all?

[buttons]

This is every color the human eye can see. Can you guys help me pick one? I need new carpeting for the floor of my VW Lovewagon.

[Azhrarn]

Why not use them all?!  Are you BLIND?  Using them all would fracture the terminology to the point of making this a TRIVIAL DEBATE.  Nobody would have any concept of what sky they were referring to, and just any shade would have the same recognition, diluting the relevace of the colors in general.

I would think that peolpe who enjoy Royal Blue on it's own as a superior blue among other shades would be more happy then having it jumbled amidsts the mediocre washed out blues of the sky.  All of which as you may notice have a much larger coverage then the "royal" shades of blue.

[Joe]

See? Navy looks more purple than purple in that image! WE NEED STANDARDS HERE, PEOPLE!

[buttons]

I like baby blue.

[Azhrarn]

And buttons, your attempts to derail this thread are blatantly obvious and juvenile.

[buttons]

No, yours are.

[Joe]

WHAT WOULD THAT POOR CERULEAN EYED BABY SAY ABOUT YOUR GROSS GENERALIZATIONS?

That's all I want to know. You're hurting the child's identity as much as you're damaging the sky. Without categorization, we'll never be able to both ensure the sky is perfectly described, in addition to that poor child's eyes forever being termed as your general "blue." Good job, baby killer.

[buttons]

Never EVER do a GIS for 'abortion.' Goddamnit, I can't see.

[Azhrarn]

I'm hurting the child's identity?  You're the one who wanted to blend it in with all the other colors.  Cerulean blue does fine on a child.  But Royal blue just does not belong in the sky.  It's too dark.

[buttons]

At night the sky is black. Are you saying black is too dark for the sky? ARE YOU TOO GOOD FOR BLACKS? Why don't you tell us what you really think, jackoff.

[Joe]

Bleed them together? Of course not! I was merely saying your goals to categorize everything as one color would cause the bleed, and make that poor child's eyes melt into his baby blue garments. Is that what you would have, sir?

[Azhrarn]

At night the sky is black. Are you saying black is too dark for the sky? ARE YOU TOO GOOD FOR BLACKS? Why don't you tell us what you really think, jackoff.

No, you're talking about a different type of sky entirely.  None of the blues even exist in this situation.  Are you even someone who looks at skies?

[buttons]

This is what the baby looks like now. You two are cruel.









Where am I?



Edit:

skys

What are those?

[Azhrarn]

Bleed them together? Of course not! I was merely saying your goals to categorize everything as one color would cause the bleed, and make that poor child's eyes melt into his baby blue garments. Is that what you would have, sir?

 Fine, have it your way.  But don't be surprised when no one knows what you're talking about when you talk about your "Royal Blue" sky.

[Azhrarn]

What are those?

Well, apparently we weren't talking about the type of sky that anyone was familiar with, so it deserved a new name.  I can't help it if I'm not original, but felt it properly represented the plurality of his utopia of shades co-existing in the same atmosphere.