Episode 3 trailer available

[Alkiera]

As Murgos said, even the larger swords rarely broke 5-6 pounds, if it was intended for actual use.  There have been found a few ceremonial, 'pretty' swords found that weighed as much as 10 or 12 pounds, but they were intended to look pretty, not to be wielded any length of time in actual combat.

A 50 pound weapon would be pretty much unusable.  The mass of it would give it so much momentum when in motion, you'd have to be inhumanly strong to manipulate it.  Maybe someone in the strength class of pro body builders could have some use of it, but it'd still be cumbersome, 2-handed for sure, and it might as well be a giant club for all the finesse you'd be able to manage.

Alkiera

[Righ]

What Murgos says. A claymore weighs 8-10 pounds, including hilt. It is a weapon of terror typically swung in arcs over the wielder's head. When it connects, its basically over for the wielder, since the inertia is so great. The warrior will pick themselves up and use a dagger at close quarters. Scots typically used the basket hilt broadsword, which is a relatively crude straight blade a little under 3 feet in length and weighing around 5 pounds. It is not in any way a fencing weapon, and the idea is to kill the opponents fast. My right arm is still much stronger than my left after years of weekly training for re-enactment and stage fighting. Modern fencing sabres weigh at most one pound, having lost most of their original weight (~3 pounds) for speed. The weight that Lucas appears to have settled on for the light saber appears to be close to the arming sword, an early civilian dueling weapon that weighed nearly four pounds.

[Arnold]

As Murgos said, even the larger swords rarely broke 5-6 pounds, if it was intended for actual use.  There have been found a few ceremonial, 'pretty' swords found that weighed as much as 10 or 12 pounds, but they were intended to look pretty, not to be wielded any length of time in actual combat.

A 50 pound weapon would be pretty much unusable.  The mass of it would give it so much momentum when in motion, you'd have to be inhumanly strong to manipulate it.  Maybe someone in the strength class of pro body builders could have some use of it, but it'd still be cumbersome, 2-handed for sure, and it might as well be a giant club for all the finesse you'd be able to manage.

Alkiera

Yeah.  Most people also think warhammers and battle axes look a whole lot bigger than they actually are.

[Margalis]

How much can a sword made out of LIGHT really weigh? One ounce?

[Abagadro]

But you are forgeting about the super heating of the air and creation of oxygen plasma which would increase the drag coeficient.



/is kidding, can't believe this is a topic of discussion

[Righ]

How much can a sword made out of LIGHT really weigh? One ounce?

Well, that's an interesting question. Assuming that the "blade" weighs next to nothing, you still have to calculate what the balance point and fulcrum of the lever is. In order to use sword-like moves with all those counter-balancing hip movements, it's going to have an interesting looking hilt.

As with Niven's Ringworld, it's best just to suspend your disbelief.

[schild]

Well, that's an interesting question. Assuming that the "blade" weighs next to nothing, you still have to calculate what the balance point and fulcrum of the lever is. In order to use sword-like moves with all those counter-balancing hip movements, it's going to have an interesting looking hilt.

Stop being a fag.

[Signe]

Well, that's an interesting question. Assuming that the "blade" weighs next to nothing, you still have to calculate what the balance point and fulcrum of the lever is. In order to use sword-like moves with all those counter-balancing hip movements, it's going to have an interesting looking hilt.

Stop being a fag.

What the fuck does that mean?  What warranted that sort of response?  I don't know what's wrong with your mind lately, but give it fucking rest or take drugs or something.

[schild]

I'm surprised you all took it that seriously. I mean, you are talking about the weight, balance, and physics of a sword. As an apology I offer you this:



It is one of the results on a GIS for "Sword Physics."

Edit: I'm not sure what it means. It may have something to do with time travel. Or Rocket Science. Or some other horribly high-falutin science that I have no business googling.

[Signe]

Shush!  You're breaking my mind!

[stray]

I didn't mean to say that the lightsaber itself weighed 50 lbs. I just that know Lucas said (as far as the original trilogy goes) that controlling the swing of a lightsaber required both hands on the hilt and all of one's strength. He threw out that number, was probably going overboard, but you get the idea -- He originally didn't intend them to be the light, easily manueverable weapons they are in the later movies.

[Shannow]

Congratulations, I've become geekier just by reading this thread.

[stray]

Congratulations, I've become geekier just by reading this thread.

Hey, you think you have it bad? I've already post 3 times here and I'm not even a fan of Star Wars.

[HaemishM]

I think we are approaching the molecular density of a collapsed star in geekiness quotient with this thread.

[SurfD]

To derail for just a bit:

Episode III: The Game

Chance that this could be a decent title? or Yet-another-title-lucasarts-has-fucked-up?

For some reason, I find the graphic on the main page to be disgustingly blocky/lowrez.  Anyone else getting a similar vibe?

[Shannow]

To derail for just a bit:

Episode III: The Game

Chance that this could be a decent title?

Your too funny.

[Pineapple]

To derail for just a bit:

Episode III: The Game

Chance that this could be a decent title? or Yet-another-title-lucasarts-has-fucked-up?

For some reason, I find the graphic on the main page to be disgustingly blocky/lowrez.  Anyone else getting a similar vibe?

Thanks for the spoiler alert on that trailer.

For anyone else, that hasnt seen it yet: Spoiler alert. I have a feeling many of those scenes are taken directly from the movie.

[sidereal]

Of course, it's a light-saber, not a light-'sword', and we all know that a saber is a cavalry weapon.  So this raises the question, what the fuck were the jedi riding when they were invented?  I'm guessing Hutts.  Hutts with wings.

[Pineapple]

Of course, it's a light-saber, not a light-'sword', and we all know that a saber is a cavalry weapon.  So this raises the question, what the fuck were the jedi riding when they were invented?  I'm guessing Hutts.  Hutts with wings.

Cavalry in the galaxy Star Wars takes place in might mean something more along the lines of a pilot. Such as when starships in movies are considered part of a "Naval fleet".

Saber also eludes to a Middle Eastern aspect, a desert aspect. The first planet ever visited in the Star Wars movies is a desert planet.

Holy crap I had to try hard to make that as geeky as I could. I'm nowhere near as good at it as some of you.

[Shannow]

Middle eastern? wtf are you on...its a well known fact that the arabs are all about scimitars..dude Im gonna have to go off and link like half a dozen googled links just to prove my geek superiority now...

..

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was that any good?

[Pineapple]

Middle eastern? wtf are you on...its a well known fact that the arabs are all about scimitars..dude Im gonna have to go off and link like half a dozen googled links just to prove my geek superiority now...

I was thinking scimitar.

*cry*

[HaemishM]

George Lucas laughs at you all while wearing a pair of Depends Undergarments and a hat made of money as he masturbates furiously on a pile of money to Ewok pr0n.

[Shockeye]

George Lucas laughs at you all while wearing a pair of Depends Undergarments and a hat made of money as he masturbates furiously on a pile of money to Ewok pr0n.

Now that would be a picture for the google image game.

[Resvrgam]

Of course, it's a light-saber, not a light-'sword', and we all know that a saber is a cavalry weapon.  So this raises the question, what the fuck were the jedi riding when they were invented?  I'm guessing Hutts.  Hutts with wings.

Cavalry in the galaxy Star Wars takes place in might mean something more along the lines of a pilot. Such as when starships in movies are considered part of a "Naval fleet".

Saber also eludes to a Middle Eastern aspect, a desert aspect. The first planet ever visited in the Star Wars movies is a desert planet.

Holy crap I had to try hard to make that as geeky as I could. I'm nowhere near as good at it as some of you.

Considering Lucas completely ripped off an old and buried japanese serial from Akira Kurosawa, the Lightsabre is a metaphor for a Katana (Daito or Shoto).

Replace the "Outerspace" motif with the ocean (where Islands take the place of planets).
Replace Correlian Smugglers with "Western" Smugglers/Pirates and the large Spaceships with Boats.
Replace the word "Jedi" with the word "Kensai" (japanese for "Sword Saint").
Replace a neurotic, gold droid and his wheeled trashcan companion; R2D2 with an affeminately gay Slave and his Monkey companion (who carries messages in a tiny barrel around his neck).
Replace The "Deathstar" with a bizarre, medieval-tank that can destroy castles with it's massive steam cannon.
Replace "speeders" with horses.
Replace "Yoda" the alien with "Yoda" the ancient, severely shriveled old wiseman.


I was oblivious to how much of a talentless hack Lucas was until Kurosawa died about a decade ago and all of this shows, movies and unfinished projects were shown at a local film festival and on the cable channel Bravo.   After seeing those films and realizing how similar they were to Star Wars, it really soured my views of film and the "creative" aspects of industries.   I'm trying to find if there's a DVD (or even VHS) version of those serials because the name was in Japanese (and forgotten since my japanese is rusty) and they were all subtitled.

Lucas would probably shit a brick if some irate Japanese director or producer decided to make an anime or something with that lost footage and proclaim it "Written and directed by Akira Kurosawa circa 1960."

*puts his retainer back in and affixes a piece of tape to his Glasses of Uber-Geekiness +10.*

[Abagadro]

A lot of the elements are in Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress. But that was a film and doesn't sound like that serial you are talking about, of which I am not familiar.

[SurfD]

To derail for just a bit:

Episode III: The Game

Chance that this could be a decent title? or Yet-another-title-lucasarts-has-fucked-up?

For some reason, I find the graphic on the main page to be disgustingly blocky/lowrez.  Anyone else getting a similar vibe?

Thanks for the spoiler alert on that trailer.

For anyone else, that hasnt seen it yet: Spoiler alert. I have a feeling many of those scenes are taken directly from the movie.

Considering how the Video Game is intended to be released a number of WEEKS before the movie, I cant really see how they would throw spoilers in there.
I get the feeling that the Game is going to be one of those "lets tell a little bit of the story leading up to the third movie" kind of things, much like the Animated Shorts were.

[Samwise]

To derail for just a bit:

Episode III: The Game

Chance that this could be a decent title? or Yet-another-title-lucasarts-has-fucked-up?

The fact that its release date is tied to a movie release date ensures the sucking.  I submit Enter the Matrix and Star Wars Battlefront as historical examples of games that sucked because (in part) they were rushed out the door to meet some external schedule.

[Train Wreck]

I think the suckness has neither to do with the actors, nor their age.  You did see Natalie Portman in "The Professional", didn't you?  She was what, 12, when she did that movie?  Compare that to her shitty performance in the Star Wars films.  I think we can blame Lucas.

Yeah, it's definantly Lucas's fault.  A young, misunderstood Darth Vader that misses his mummy -- to pussify one of the greatest villians ever, it's impossible to come up with something more effective than this.

[Merusk]

I think the suckness has neither to do with the actors, nor their age.  You did see Natalie Portman in "The Professional", didn't you?  She was what, 12, when she did that movie?  Compare that to her shitty performance in the Star Wars films.  I think we can blame Lucas.

Yeah, it's definantly Lucas's fault.  A young, misunderstood Darth Vader that misses his mummy -- to pussify one of the greatest villians ever, it's impossible to come up with something more effective than this.

Please tell me you've got a problem with the premise because of the horribly shitty way it was handled, and not because you didn't see it telegraphed from the first goddamned "Whee" in Episode 1 straight through the fucking Bison-fisted (It was too bad to even be Ham-fisted) foreshadowing attempt of the "Will I ever see you again" speech.

[Ironwood]

I think the suckness has neither to do with the actors, nor their age.  You did see Natalie Portman in "The Professional", didn't you?  She was what, 12, when she did that movie?  Compare that to her shitty performance in the Star Wars films.  I think we can blame Lucas.

Yeah, it's definantly Lucas's fault.  A young, misunderstood Darth Vader that misses his mummy -- to pussify one of the greatest villians ever, it's impossible to come up with something more effective than this.

Please tell me you've got a problem with the premise because of the horribly shitty way it was handled, and not because you didn't see it telegraphed from the first goddamned "Whee" in Episode 1 straight through the fucking Bison-fisted (It was too bad to even be Ham-fisted) foreshadowing attempt of the "Will I ever see you again" speech.

I sense much anger in you.

[HaemishM]

That's just his Midochlorians raging with the coming of puberty.

[Merusk]

Edmund : Twenty-four hours is a long time in politics. Good day.

Pitt the Younger: There is just one thing before I go... (confidentially) I've got this
   sort of downy hair developing on my chest -- is that normal? Also, I get
   so lonely and confused. I've written a poem about it; maybe you'll under-
   stand. "Why do nice girls hate me? Why--

Edmund: Get out, you nausating adolescent! (shoos him out the door) Piss off!

[Dark Vengeance]

Thanks for the spoiler alert on that trailer.

For anyone else, that hasnt seen it yet: Spoiler alert. I have a feeling many of those scenes are taken directly from the movie.

It's freaking Star Wars. It's the last episode before we get to the original Star Wars film. Anyone who hasn't been intentionally avoiding that flick for the last 25 years or so has already seen it, and knows where the story has to go.

In that regard, Episode III is on a par with Titanic or Passion of the Christ. The "big surprise" of this film is the part that we've all known about for the better part of 3 decades or so.

Bring the noise.
Cheers..............

[El Gallo]

I was actually a Lucas apologist before I saw this:

http://chud.com/news/430

[Train Wreck]

Please tell me you've got a problem with the premise because of the horribly shitty way it was handled, and not because you didn't see it telegraphed from the first goddamned "Whee" in Episode 1 straight through the fucking Bison-fisted (It was too bad to even be Ham-fisted) foreshadowing attempt of the "Will I ever see you again" speech.

My problem with it is that he turned Darth Vader into a momma's boi.  His endless whining helped show that this was indeed the case.