Wii software outsells 360 software in US Dec 2007. Schild suicides.

[Azazel]

Wii is not a gamer's platform. But there's more non-gamers than gamers. By lots. And the titles are cheaper in general (even if so far people are largely buying the A-list brands and Nintendo).

No. No they're not. Not here in Australia at least. There might be a half-dozen shovelware POS titles for it. Maybe even a dozen, but there are tons of older 360 titles that are considerably cheaper (and for the most part, better).


PS3. I'm a gamer, but I've only become interested in getting a PS3 to use as a BR player. (that can play a couple of games).
I was looking at getting the HD-DVD a few weks ago, then the studios' announcement hit the week before I was going to go out and purchase.

[stray]

It's kind of a pain in the ass right now, but it'll have more options eventually for games. I mean, hell, it isn't even that bad now. I may just be overly picky. I still think Sony is the cream of the crop as far as first parties go though. And in the end, all of these systems will be fine 2-3 years from now. Games galore. I really doubt any, PS3 included, are going the way of the Jag or DC or whatever.

[Venkman]

There I agree. I think it's possible the concept of directly comparing these consoles could itself be changing. I really doubt the Wii stole cannibalized the PS3 much, for example. Maybe the X360 got a bunch of PS2ers who didn't want to wait another year, but I suspect that group will migrate to the PS3 if (big emphasis) all the stuff being talked about a) actually comes out; and, b) is any good.

Could be different markets emerge. So it's Wii by itself and then PS3 and X360 duking it out to a degree, until one of them tries to splinter into a third market. Kinda depends (to me) on how far Microsoft is willing to push their media anywhere connected household thing. The PS3 may be the better media device, but the X360 is better integrated to more houses... assuming the people in those houses want the device for more than just RRODs, achievements and more PopCap games.

[schild]

Sony has much better support of their own systems post release - and even moreso after nextgen is out. Which is to say, they still heavily support the PS2. And are still making advances on the platform. I bet the PSP2 WILL be based on if not THE PS2 architecture.

But I bet there's another revision of the PSP after the new PS2 hits america and EU.

As for Microsoft and Nintendo. They leave their old consoles in the dust. Except for the Gamecube (who gives a shit, rite) with the Wii, since it IS a gamecube.

Basically, when Sony (post release, not pre-release 3HDMI port silliness, OH KEN "You Krack Me Up" KUTARAGI) says they're going to do something, they do it. And they do it better than the competition.

Also, as Stray said, better first and second parties than anyone else right now.

[Velorath]

As for Microsoft and Nintendo. They leave their old consoles in the dust. Except for the Gamecube (who gives a shit, rite) with the Wii, since it IS a gamecube.

Yeah, I'm real shocked that Sony continues to support the console that sold over 100 million (and what is still likely their biggest source of profit in their game division), while MS and Nintendo discontinued their last gen consoles.

[schild]

Sony is already turning a profit on the PS3, just to put that out there.

360 is still a loss leader (well, was until Halo, but it will be again, repairs are costing them).

[Yegolev]

High Seize

Booo!

Why boo?

Awful pun, and I like awful puns.

[Azazel]

It's kind of a pain in the ass right now, but it'll have more options eventually for games. I mean, hell, it isn't even that bad now. I may just be overly picky. I still think Sony is the cream of the crop as far as first parties go though. And in the end, all of these systems will be fine 2-3 years from now. Games galore. I really doubt any, PS3 included, are going the way of the Jag or DC or whatever.

I replied to this earlier but the internet ate my post. The gist being I agree with you in general, but in the now it's not all that exciting if you already have a 360, (And Live makes 360 the format of choice for cross-platform games, just as the controller and the 1st and 2nd parties made the PS2 my console of choice over Xbox). 1st and 2nd Party studios this round is really a personal pref thing, and at the moment I don't really have an opinion for the moment on this gen..

[Velorath]

Sony is already turning a profit on the PS3, just to put that out there.

360 is still a loss leader (well, was until Halo, but it will be again, repairs are costing them).

Sony is turning a profit in their games division again.  Part of the reason for that is a reduction of the cost in manufacturing PS3's, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're making a profit on them.  It could just mean that they are losing little enough money on them for the PS2 and PSP sales to be able to cover the losses and still bring in an overall profit for the game division.

[HaemishM]

Surely it isn't a coincidence that the Sony games division is making a profit about the time that PSP sales are increasing significantly, PS2 sales hardware (and thus software) sales are remaining as strong as they've been for the last few years. I'm pretty sure the PS3's lackluster sales numbers aren't contributing much if anything to the profit.

[Yegolev]

I sort of have a hard time believing any of the Playstation Triplets are carrying the division alone.  Maybe the PS2 is, I could believe that.  It's hard to follow something so fractured.

[Velorath]

I sort of have a hard time believing any of the Playstation Triplets are carrying the division alone.  Maybe the PS2 is, I could believe that.  It's hard to follow something so fractured.

It's very likely that the PS2 is carrying the division.  The last price drop the thing had was a $20 one almost 2 years ago (before that, it had been $149.99 since May of '04), so I have to believe they're making a decent profit on the hardware at this point, and it's still selling well, along with the software.

[Yegolev]

OK, the more I think about it the more I believe you.  Last time I went into Gamestop, they had a huge number of PS2 titles.  I have no idea who is buying all of these PS2s, but it must be the same crowd that was buying all the GBA SP during the 2006 holiday season.

Sort of going back to the original topic, I was mildly surprised to see a discount rack of Wii games at Best Buy last week.  I mean that I was surprised for about five seconds to find it, and another five seconds due to not recognizing any titles and realizing they were all new.  These are real dollar-store-type SKUs, like those DVDs you see with a bunch of black-and-white cartoons you have never heard of near the Rite Aid checkout.

[Velorath]

OK, the more I think about it the more I believe you.  Last time I went into Gamestop, they had a huge number of PS2 titles.  I have no idea who is buying all of these PS2s, but it must be the same crowd that was buying all the GBA SP during the 2006 holiday season.

Sort of going back to the original topic, I was mildly surprised to see a discount rack of Wii games at Best Buy last week.  I mean that I was surprised for about five seconds to find it, and another five seconds due to not recognizing any titles and realizing they were all new.  These are real dollar-store-type SKUs, like those DVDs you see with a bunch of black-and-white cartoons you have never heard of near the Rite Aid checkout.

Between December and March, Destineer alone has 5 Wii budget titles.

[HaemishM]

OK, the more I think about it the more I believe you.  Last time I went into Gamestop, they had a huge number of PS2 titles.  I have no idea who is buying all of these PS2s, but it must be the same crowd that was buying all the GBA SP during the 2006 holiday season.

I bought one back in September just to play FIFA 08 because the Wii version sucked such massive donkey cock. Of course, I bought one used and didn't actually spend any money, using trade-in credit I'd gotten by trading in an extra Wii that I won. But still. I did buy a PS2.