Post-mortem

[Morfiend]

Itemization in tBC sucks ass.

That is all.

[Teleku]

• The last one, and probably the one with the most legs is: "Why the hell does my Priest T5 DPS set have so much Crit on it, wtf?"
  
  This has the most legs because it's so subjective it can go on for hours. One man's awesome Shadow Priest drop, is another man's poorly-itemized Mage drop. It also has roots in the absolute abundance of 115 Blues. In all those drops from every single boss, I was able to find about one and a half kits of gear that I felt were perfect for my character, I can then dabble in the 95 Epics as I get them.
  

Hey, I absolutly love the stats on that set!  It's the most awsome holy DPS set ever, which is what I am.  So I'm happy with it  .

[Fordel]

I'm the same way with my druid. Having actual Balance and Feral gear available, is keen. Is it optimized for item budget? Hell if I know, I'm just glad it EXISTS.


In regards to tier 0.5, the major flaw for my little circle of casuals wasn't the difficulty of any of the encounters, it was the actual collection of the original dungeon armor (the cost was an issue for some of them, not me, being a filthy rich alchemist). There is simply only so many times we can run scholo and hope our class hats drop before insanity sets in. The assumption that everyone who wanted tier 0.5 would already have the prior set was what broke it for me. If I didn't have to trade in, and could just get the new items from doing all the steps, that would've been gravy. I never collected the WildHeart set to begin with because I didn't want to farm the same instances 72 times.

Most of that 0.5 content is wasted simply because my friends and I wouldn't farm dungeons three times a day to be allowed the "privilege" of attempting it. Which is mostly how I feel about raiding as well, all the stupid hoops to jump through.

[MrHat]

Welp, in a fit of bordem, I cancelled my account w/ my 70 shaman, 65 rogue and 61 mage.


And reopened my bud's account with a 56 druid and a 48 warrrior.

I'm grabbing at straws to keep this game interesting because $15/mo cheaper than $50/mo for a new game.

[Dren]

Welp, in a fit of bordem, I cancelled my account w/ my 70 shaman, 65 rogue and 61 mage.


And reopened my bud's account with a 56 druid and a 48 warrrior.

I'm grabbing at straws to keep this game interesting because $15/mo cheaper than $50/mo for a new game.

Do you have a good guild?  That's 99% towards making WoW last over time.  I'm not exaggerating.  I was without a guild for something like 3 months and was just about ready to quit from boredom.  A new guild turned that around for me right away.

It's a MMO.  Guild are a requirement. 

[MrHat]

Ya, I like the guild I'm in, it's not them, it's me :p

I don't have time to be socially engaged online.

[Rasix]

If I didn't have my druid, I might be having issues.  Dunno what it is with my shaman now, but I just completely hate the class.  Respecced to resto and then tried to actually kill something. LOL. I think enhance is the only way I can play, which nets me nothing group wise.

Druid's a lot of fun and I liked tanking that first instance in Caverns of Time (loot was ass, I picked up 2 resto pieces rather than let them rot). Problem is, my server really shuts down as far as instance runs go past round 9pm and that's when I start playing.     Getting a group to finish Shadowmoon Valley quests is just near impossible now. 

I like my guild,  they're good people and very helpful, but they're just no help for getting instances.  I'm one of only really 3 (one mostly plays bg alts) active 70s in my guild for when I'm on. Most people are sub 60. The 70 priest gets groups ALL the time since he's holy and a pretty decent healer (he gets invited to other guilds' Karazhan runs), but 4/5 times I get a tell for an instance it's often followed by "ur resto, rite?".   

Still having fun, just kind of hitting a wall where I can either struggle for instances, finish farming Aldor/space-Mulgore rep, struggle for group quests, or find another alt to level (not too keen on brushing off my rogue, don't like playing him), all which aren't really appealing for me.  Dumping my guild and finding a more active one might be an option, but really..  instance but not raid casual guilds aren't very prevalent.  Most people look at me like I've got a brain lesion when I tell them have no interest in raiding or being required to be on at a certain time.

This QQing has been brought to you by my server crashing.   

[Calantus]

Well I'm having a lot of fun being re-upped to WoW and I've hardly played. Mostly it's just been getting back in touch with everyone, making plans for arena/guild, pulling people onto the one server, and sorting out classes everyone is intenting to play. People definitely make MMOGs. :-D

Funny story, I activated BC and started up a 3month subsriction on my second account by accident. The one with like bank alts and spies only. The one I didn't even want anymore. So now I have to go through and xfer the characters I care about to the second account so I can play them in BC.

[WayAbvPar]

I like my guild,  they're good people and very helpful, but they're just no help for getting instances.  I'm one of only really 3 (one mostly plays bg alts) active 70s in my guild for when I'm on.

I have it just the opposite- 90%+ of the guild has at least 1 level 70; I am one of the few left that hasn't made it that far yet. The good news is most of them have alts that end up leveling past me, so I have someone to group with as they go by  :-D

[Azazel]

Well I'm having a lot of fun being re-upped to WoW and I've hardly played. Mostly it's just been getting back in touch with everyone, making plans for arena/guild, pulling people onto the one server, and sorting out classes everyone is intenting to play. People definitely make MMOGs. :-D

Funny story, I activated BC and started up a 3month subsriction on my second account by accident. The one with like bank alts and spies only. The one I didn't even want anymore. So now I have to go through and xfer the characters I care about to the second account so I can play them in BC.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reactivate your proper account anyway?

[Calantus]

I have 3months and BC on my 2nd account which is about $100. Xferring a character is about $30, and I only need to xfer 2 of them for $60. If I could xfer all of my characters it would be different as I have about 5 high level alliance I'd like to use, but the realm I'm on, Frostmourne, cannot be xferred to from other servers even if you already have characters there (which means one of my friends is rolling his 3rd max lvl mage since he xferred off a while ago).

[Oban]

I can't wait!

[ajax34i]

Heh heh, that was good!

[WindupAtheist]

I wish the game were "Good faction versus Evil faction in a fight to the death" and not "pseudo-European faction versus pseudo-native  faction, both of which are basically good and who skirmish pointlessly."

[pxib]

The Undead vs. the Taurens would be a nice "search for the perfect method for death" vs. "promote life at any cost" fight... but opposition doesn't necessarily have to be "good" vs. "evil"... they just have to be unreconcilably opposed. The night elves and the humans, for example. Night elves want to preserve and protect the world, humans want to exploit and conquer it. Night elves hate the humans because they are destroying what took the elves 10,000 years to nurture. Humans hate the night elves because they're living 10,000 years in the past. Trolls vs. Taurens could be old tribal warfare... ancient perpetual grudges. Dwarves vs. Gnomes competing for the same resources to different ends... brute force vs. technical saavy.

Subjective goods vs. subjective evils in fights that never end.

The problem isn't that it's wishy-washy colonists vs. natives. The problem is that it's wishy-washy at all. Nobody's really fighting much of anything... so there's really nothing to fight for. What causes do the Dwarves represent? What beliefs do the trolls hold dear? How do the historic goals of the gnomes threaten the orcs?

Who cares?

[Merusk]

The case for the current conflict isn't portrayed very well in WoW, I'll give you that.  At most it seems to be, "We've fought the orcs for 20 years, they're just evil and we won't resolve our prejudices."  That side was presented in WC3 & TFT.  The "conflict heating up again" angle was apparently covered in the D20 books, but who outside of ultra WC-lore fanbois is going to have read it and know it?

The reasoning behind throwing them all together, vs multiple sides to the conflict is easy.  It's a fucking nightmare to balance interacting realms at that level.  If things were to be potrayed 'true' to the WC games, the NEs would be a separate faction, as would the BEs, the Forsaken and possibly the Dranei.  The 'greenskins' being in a coalition was already covered in the Rexxar campaign of WC3, and the Dwarf/ Gnome thing is explained by the Gnomregon quests.  Both have been longtime traditional allies of the Humans (who seem to harbor hatred for everyone not human-looking) so that'd be your traditional "alliance" right there. 

So we'd wind-up with 6 factions instead of two.  That makes the game a LOT more PvP-oriented than it was originally envisioned, or required 3X the content currently there (to allow a few more "safe" or "home" areas than exsist.) 

So instead, they've cobbled-together a few hand-waving lore fixes to make everything work-out with two factions.   Frankly, I kind of prefer it this way since it almost mandates they'll have to work on SC2 or D3 rather than a WC4, that would require breaking-apart the stuff woW has cobbled-together.

[Kail]

So instead, they've cobbled-together a few hand-waving lore fixes to make everything work-out with two factions.   Frankly, I kind of prefer it this way since it almost mandates they'll have to work on SC2 or D3 rather than a WC4, that would require breaking-apart the stuff woW has cobbled-together.

I kind of wonder what they'd do for Warcraft 4, anyway.  Building a storyline that follows from World of Warcraft would be like building a tower on quicksand.  Warcraft as it stands now is like a freeze-frame of a guy falling off a cliff; lots of implied conflict and action but no real changes.  If they do make a Warcraft 4, they'll either have to evolve the storyline in World of Warcraft to keep pace with it (not likely, as the RTS games are generally way more dynamic, plot wise, than the MMO) or pretty much stop expanding the game (or else the lore won't fit with Warcraft 4).

[ajax34i]

Meh, they have extra-planar travel, planets that can be destroyed, technologically advanced civilizations...  anything is possible.  They can blow up Azeroth, they can make Warcraft 4 be a side-story taking place in the Outlands or on the ship, shrug.  They've been freed from the lore, really.  They're way past anything being plausible anymore, so anything goes.

[pxib]

Meh, they have extra-planar travel, planets that can be destroyed, technologically advanced civilizations...  anything is possible.  They can blow up Azeroth, they can make Warcraft 4 be a side-story taking place in the Outlands or on the ship, shrug.

So then Warcraft 4 can be Starcraft 2! It's everything the fans were waiting for! We'll combine the names somehow...

STARWARS --  Episode IV: A New Hope

[Trippy]

Meh, they have extra-planar travel, planets that can be destroyed, technologically advanced civilizations...  anything is possible.  They can blow up Azeroth, they can make Warcraft 4 be a side-story taking place in the Outlands or on the ship, shrug.

So then Warcraft 4 can be Starcraft 2! It's everything the fans were waiting for! We'll combine the names somehow...

STARWARS --  Episode IV: A New Hope

LOL.

[MrHat]

Meh, they have extra-planar travel, planets that can be destroyed, technologically advanced civilizations...  anything is possible.  They can blow up Azeroth, they can make Warcraft 4 be a side-story taking place in the Outlands or on the ship, shrug.

So then Warcraft 4 can be Starcraft 2! It's everything the fans were waiting for! We'll combine the names somehow...

STARWARS --  Episode IV: A New Hope

Win.

[Slayerik]

Meh, they have extra-planar travel, planets that can be destroyed, technologically advanced civilizations...  anything is possible.  They can blow up Azeroth, they can make Warcraft 4 be a side-story taking place in the Outlands or on the ship, shrug.

So then Warcraft 4 can be Starcraft 2! It's everything the fans were waiting for! We'll combine the names somehow...

STARWARS --  Episode IV: A New Hope

Seriously, you just won at the internet.