Matrix Online vs. World of Warcraft? Interesting...

[Riggswolfe]

Good post Caladein. Stray will of course ignore you and decide you are wrong and stupid since you like WoW.

[Falconeer]

It's borderline psychotic. It's Invasion of the Body Snatchers. It's fucking Jonestown.

 :-D
I agree, I agree!

[Endie]

Screw it. I give up. You're right.

Thanks, I know 

Since we are apparently playing the editing quotes game:

I... like ... being thrown around ...  And ... I could pop within 20 seconds... revolving around ... Raph.

[schild]

But Riggs said that right at the beginning of his second paragraph. Your jab, it doesn't cut very deep.

[Ironwood]

I'm not asking anybody to set aside a known for an unknown. These people I'm talking about were once well rounded gamers. They used to be the ones who introduced me to all kinds of games. One of them, for example, was a strategy buff. Another was such a rabid console gamer that he had Japanese and U.S. versions of every single console starting from the NES.

Yes, you are. They are having fun. They know when they log in tomorrow they will probably have fun. You're trying to get them interested in something that is not that and being pissed at them for essentially going "um, I'm enjoying this, thanks."

Hi. You don't know my friends. I don't need your advice.

Besides, I'm only trying to get them interested in things that they themselves got me interested just two years ago.

Hell, the guy with the console fetish: It was ME who told him about MMO's.

It's the same thing as you're in the middle of some console game you love and some dude is like "hey, come play this other game." Your response will probably be "not right now I'm enjoying this."

No, it's not the same thing. Because I don't even do that. Whatever anti-social inclinations you may have --- Don't project them on to me.

You're not getting it. The unknown is very simple. "Will I have as much fun with this other game I haven't played as I am currently having with WoW." Not to mention the other point I made which is the "left behind" factor.

Telling a guy about Rome:TW or Medieval:TW, who at one point in time, introduced me to Shogun: TW is NOT telling him about an "unknown".

Grow Up.

[Endie]

But Riggs said that right at the beginning of his second paragraph. Your jab, it doesn't cut very deep.

And when not taken out of context Riggs was clearly disagreeing entirely, and thought that his interlocutor was wrong.

[Arthur_Parker]

I was playing Hearts of Iron II a couple of months ago and really enjoying it, then I got distracted by a  .  After seeing most of the content in the game, I just couldn't convince myself to start playing Hearts of Iron II again.  So instead I have been watching BSG, Hero's and this new studio 60 thing, wtf is wrong with me?

[Ironwood]

Well, you're quite clearly a canine in a flatcap.

[stray]

Grow Up.

My answer is No.

But just to be serious. That stupid quip has nothing to do with my post. Suggesting that people take a look at other things in the world has nothing to do with being immature. I'm not forcing other games down people's throats, as you might have misread. I'm saying to a friend who once liked these type of games more than I: "Hey dude, check this out." Or "Look at this for a sec." Nothing more. Bringing a God of War or Dawn of War disc to one of their houses has less to do with me and more to do with how fucking great those games are.

You guys might think these guys actually enjoy playing WoW, but I can assure you, they do not. One of them gets his 7 year old son to grind for him (no kidding). Another has literally spent thousands of dollars of real life money just to get BWL runs for Bloodfang armor (I'm talking 1000 gold a pop, without rogue drop guarantees -- he's up to 5 pieces now).

[Riggswolfe]

Grow Up.

My answer is No.

But just to be serious. That stupid quip has nothing to do with my post. Suggesting that people take a look at other things in the world has nothing to do with being immature. I'm not forcing other games down people's throats, as you might have misread. I'm saying to a friend who once liked these type of games more than I: "Hey dude, check this out." Or "Look at this for a sec." Nothing more. Bringing a God of War or Dawn of War disc to one of their houses has less to do with me and more to do with how fucking great those games are.

I don't think you're being told to grow up because you're trying to get your friends to look at these games. I think you're being told to grow up because of the attitude you have about it. IE, they're not interested in it so they're obviously sheep.

[stray]

But Riggs said that right at the beginning of his second paragraph. Your jab, it doesn't cut very deep.

And when not taken out of context Riggs was clearly disagreeing entirely, and thought that his interlocutor was wrong.

No shit he was disagreeing, and just trying to make a joke. I was responding in kind.

[stray]

Grow Up.

My answer is No.

But just to be serious. That stupid quip has nothing to do with my post. Suggesting that people take a look at other things in the world has nothing to do with being immature. I'm not forcing other games down people's throats, as you might have misread. I'm saying to a friend who once liked these type of games more than I: "Hey dude, check this out." Or "Look at this for a sec." Nothing more. Bringing a God of War or Dawn of War disc to one of their houses has less to do with me and more to do with how fucking great those games are.

I don't think you're being told to grow up because you're trying to get your friends to look at these games. I think you're being told to grow up because of the attitude you have about it. IE, they're not interested in it so they're obviously sheep.

Oh God. I think it's you guys who need to grow up then. This is a messageboard. It's fun to be provocative. Read between the lines....You'll find that I'm not quite as passionate or headstrong as you think I am.

Or something.

It's just games. Not politics.

[WindupAtheist]

Since we're editing quotes, it's time for the return of WUA Subliminal Vision, this time in new "Picking on someone besides Signe" flavor.

But just to be serious. That stupid quip has nothing to do with my post. Suggesting that people take a look at other things in the world has nothing to do with being immature. I'm not forcing other games down people's throats, as you might have misread. I'm saying to a friend who once liked these type of games more than I: "Hey dude, check this out." Or  "Look at this for a sec." Nothing more. Bringing a God of War or Dawn of War disc to one of their houses has less to do with me and more to do with how fucking great those games are.

You guys might think these guys actually enjoy playing WoW, but I can assure you, they do not. One of them gets his 7 year old son to grind for him (no kidding). Another has literally spent thousands of dollars of real life money just to get BWL runs for Bloodfang armor (I'm talking 1000 gold a pop, without rogue drop guarantees -- he's up to 5 pieces now).

He's forcing other games down people's throats, as you might have read.  He's saying to a friend, hey dude, check this out or fuck you.

[Venkman]

Stray, your friends got addicted to a singular experience. It's less about WoW being a good game now. It's more immersive than that.

MMORPGs are really not "games" in the traditional sense, as often discussed. They can be played that way to be sure, but the primary allure and resultant retention does not come because people are actively engaged in the same way they are to playing other more traditional "games". In an MMOG, you're almost always doing exactly the same thing with a different backdrop, unless you're PvPing. In that case it's the exact same thing with a different backdrop and AI that constantly learns. It's sorta Slot Machines and Boardgames, respectively.