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Roac
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on: December 12, 2005, 01:19:37 PM

Wikipedia omgwtfpwnzu

Brief:  Guy edited a Wiki entry as a joke, and winds up losing his job over it.  He's apparently senior enough to be allowed to resign rather than be fired.  What I don't get is why someone would think that's a funny joke to start with - yeah, lets link you with the murder of one of your friends.  Ha ha.  
« Last Edit: December 15, 2005, 07:30:24 AM by Roac »

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Reply #1 on: December 12, 2005, 01:50:29 PM

It's pretty goddam sad when the USA Today can impune your credibility. It's almost like having your MMOG subscription numbers press release discounted by Bruce's fucking chart.

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Reply #2 on: December 13, 2005, 04:38:15 AM

Bruce had a "fucking chart"?

/shudder
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Reply #3 on: December 13, 2005, 08:19:50 AM

Bruce had a "fucking chart"?

/shudder

You just turned my outie into an innie.

And I'm quite sure he probably did and does maintain such a chart separate from his MMOG chart.

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Reply #4 on: December 13, 2005, 08:57:44 AM

I am not sure why so many people have it out for Wikipedia.
Wikipedia has never claimed to the final authority on anything.
I guess wikipedia has gotten big and is now a big target.

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Reply #5 on: December 13, 2005, 09:23:13 AM

I am not sure why so many people have it out for Wikipedia.

Because it's the Internet. Serious Business.

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Reply #6 on: December 15, 2005, 07:33:13 AM

Wiki bites back at critics.

Gist:  according to a study (which looks to have a small sampling, IMO) Wiki is nearly as good as the Encyclopedia Britannica in terms of factual quality, at least within scientific articles.  Still not good enough for real research, but Nature has given the website a stamp of approval and should be more than enough to squelch "Wiki is stupid" objections. 

-Roac
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Reply #7 on: December 16, 2005, 05:06:16 AM

Still not valid for real research.

Between wikipedia and google, I think we've created a modern bag of holding. Unfortunately it's best at "holding" lies and bullshit. While a whole mess of wikipedia may be spot on, it's too uneven to REALLY use. 99% of the time I'm on the site is to find reference links, I find it great for that. I need a piece of software or some firmware for whatever archaic and esoteric gadget I'm fucking with, I can find a link there. You know where I found the Deus Ex texture project? Yup, wikipedia.
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Reply #8 on: December 20, 2005, 07:39:52 AM

Quote from: Wired
Wikipedia Founder Edits Own Bio

By Evan Hansen

06:21 PM Dec. 19, 2005 PT

Sleuthing into the accuracy of the open-source web encyclopedia known as Wikipedia has led to the door of its founder, Jimmy Wales.

Public edit logs reveal that Wales has changed his own Wikipedia bio 18 times, deleting phrases describing former Wikipedia employee Larry Sanger as a co-founder of the site.

Wales has also repeatedly revised the description of a search site he founded called Bomis, which included a section with adult photos called "Bomis Babes."

The changes were reported Monday by technology writer Rogers Cadenhead on his blog, Workbench, spurring Sanger to launch a dialogue on Wikipedia about revisionist history.

In an interview with Wired News, Wales acknowledged he's made changes to his bio, but said the edits were made to correct factual errors and provide a more rounded version of events.

While he said that Wikipedia generally frowns on people editing entries about themselves, there is no hard and fast rule against it.

"People shouldn't do it, including me," he said. "I wish I hadn't done it. It's in poor taste.... People have a lot of information about themselves but staying objective is difficult. That's the trade-off in editing entries about yourself.... If you see a blatant error or misconception about yourself, you really want to set it straight."

According to technology writer Cadenhead, who ferreted out the record of changes, Wales has altered sentences that gave Larry Sanger credit for co-founding Wikipedia seven times.

For example, on Oct. 28, he changed "On [[January 15]], [[2001]], Wales and Sanger set up [[Wikipedia]]" to "On [[January 15]], [[2001]], Wales set up [[Wikipedia]]."

Wales later returned twice to make similar changes when Wikipedia editors revised the edited text to give Sanger credit.

"I must say I am amused," Sanger wrote in a posting on Wikipedia on Monday. "Having seen edits like this, it does seem that Jimmy is attempting to rewrite history. But this is a futile process because in our brave new world of transparent activity and maximum communication, the truth will out."

In fact, Wikipedia's own guidelines caution against editing your own bio as it "can open the door to rather immature behavior and loss of dignity."

Wales admitted he made the changes, but argued the edits were meant merely to emphasize a technical point about the specific roles the two had at the time.

"It's very neutral," he said. "The point wasn't to write Larry Sanger out of the story. I think Larry doesn't get enough credit."

Cadenhead also focused on edits regarding a website Wales once ran called Bomis, which included a section with adult photos called "Bomis Babes."

Cadenhead said other Wikipedia editors described Bomis Babes as "soft-core pornography," but Wales changed it to "adult content section" on Sept. 4, and later twice removed references to pornography, instead describing it as "Bomis Babes blog based on Slashcode."

Wales admitted to changing references to Bomis Babes several times. But he said he was correcting an error, and disputed the characterization of Bomis Babes as soft porn.

"If R-rated movies are soft porn, it was porn. In other words, no, it was not. That description is inaccurate," he told Wired News in a phone interview on Monday.

Self-editing by Wales comes amid scrutiny of weaknesses in Wikipedia, a public site that allows any registered user to edit and change entries on an encyclopedic range of topics.

The site has won praise for its range and depth, as well as its ability to find and fix errors. But it has also faced criticism over self-policing policies that leave quality control largely in the hands of the community at large, rather than selected experts.

Criticism came to a head this month over erroneous information included in a bio of journalist John Siegenthaler Sr., a founding editor of USA Today, linking him to the Kennedy assassinations. The fake poster, Brian Chase, admitted to planting the reference as a joke, according to Associated Press reports.

In order to improve the accuracy of listings and crack down on vandalism, Wikipedia next month plans to institute changes that will identify high-risk articles and prevent newly registered users from editing them.

In addition, the site will create a state of semi-protection for some stories, that will delay publication of edits, for example, for up to 10 minutes.

Wales said the changes do not represent a paradigm shift, but are merely tweaks aimed at improving a system he said works well.

"Over the past three years, the quality of Wikipedia has improved dramatically," he said, crediting a core group of 600 to 1,000 contributors for maintaining the integrity of up to 75 percent of the site's entries.

A recent comparison between Wikipedia and the Encyclopedia Britannica by Nature found error rates between the two publications were comparable in a number of expert subjects.
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Reply #9 on: December 20, 2005, 08:48:12 PM

Google's graph of searches for Wikipedia



I guess this answers my question.  Not sure what the scale is.  But it looks Wikipedia crossed some threshold this summer and became recognizabe by the larger culture not just the Internet culture.

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Reply #10 on: December 22, 2005, 07:46:27 AM



From Penny Arcade. Obviously.

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Reply #11 on: December 22, 2005, 07:48:36 AM

Google's graph of searches for Wikipedia



I guess this answers my question.  Not sure what the scale is.  But it looks Wikipedia crossed some threshold this summer and became recognizabe by the larger culture not just the Internet culture.


$10 says that the very regular dips are Friday/Saturday when kids aren't trying to find information for a paper due on monday.
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Reply #12 on: May 18, 2006, 02:00:32 PM





Someone has been tinkering with the wikipedia. Yea, I found that on another website.
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Reply #13 on: May 18, 2006, 03:32:12 PM

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Reply #14 on: May 18, 2006, 07:19:18 PM

Devout atheists prove once again that theirs is the most mature, rational, and evolved relgion.   rolleyes
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Reply #15 on: May 18, 2006, 07:38:34 PM

Devout atheists prove once again that theirs is the most mature, rational, and evolved relgion.   rolleyes

That stuff falls under comedy, not atheism. And that, linked above is comedy in its rawest form.
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Reply #16 on: May 18, 2006, 10:46:17 PM

It was funnier when Skeletor did it.
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Reply #17 on: May 19, 2006, 06:21:59 AM

That stuff falls under comedy, not atheism. And that, linked above is comedy in its rawest form.

Grafitti stopped being funny somewhere around middle school.  Colbert is much better about poking fun at Christians (esp. Catholics, I suppose because he is one).  He's comedy - those links were just stupid and disrespectful.

-Roac
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Reply #18 on: May 19, 2006, 08:11:36 AM

I loled.

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Reply #19 on: May 19, 2006, 09:59:08 AM

It was funnier when Skeletor did it.

Skeletor should write for the Da Vinci Code movie.  This script is BORING!

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Reply #20 on: May 19, 2006, 12:40:45 PM

That stuff falls under comedy, not atheism. And that, linked above is comedy in its rawest form.

Grafitti stopped being funny somewhere around middle school. Colbert is much better about poking fun at Christians (esp. Catholics, I suppose because he is one). He's comedy - those links were just stupid and disrespectful.

Remember when someone posted about people using wikipedia for real work? You want to know why it was comedy? Because it proves wikipedia is nothing more than a playground. Also, if you notice the screenie - that article is not under dispute. Errr. Heh.
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Reply #21 on: May 19, 2006, 12:44:05 PM

Remember when someone posted about people using wikipedia for real work? You want to know why it was comedy? Because it proves wikipedia is nothing more than a playground. Also, if you notice the screenie - that article is not under dispute. Errr. Heh.

So if I tag your office building, it is now a playground no longer usable for "real work"?

-Roac
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Reply #22 on: May 19, 2006, 02:33:17 PM

So if I tag your office building, it is now a playground no longer usable for "real work"?
Anyone have a spray can I can borrow real quick?

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #23 on: May 19, 2006, 11:23:05 PM

So if I tag your office building, it is now a playground no longer usable for "real work"?
Anyone have a spray can I can borrow real quick?
Wikipedia hands out free spray cans.

You should go for the Taoist edit. See how long it takes for someone to notice. Or rather, see how often teachers assign kids papers on taoism.
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Reply #24 on: May 19, 2006, 11:25:28 PM

I had maybe 2 papers that involved Taoism in college. This does not include exam essays.

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