Luke, I am your father.

[Tebonas]

KOTOR2 was the second roleplaying game after Ultima 9 where they even left cutscenes in the game that didn't make any more sense with the gutted storyline. Fucking lazy.

[Khaldun]

I turned hard against KOTOR2 once the unfinished character of the last portion of the game began to become obvious. That's a pretty unforgiveable sin in a story-driven game.

[HaemishM]

Is Jade Empire any good?  I was thinking I might rent that or KOTOR 2.

If you liked Fable, but wanted a better story, you'd like Jade Empire.

It's a bit like KotOR 1, but with real-time actioney combat (pause-able, of course). The story is good. I thought the X-Box graphics were gorgeous, but I was playing in on a 27" non-HD TV. YMMV.

[Sky]

YMMV.

Heh. Ok, the graphics were great if one forgoes my 'condition'. I liked the game, though I disliked Fable.

[Paelos]

I found KOTOR darkside to be very satisfying if you played the game as a merc. I just said, hey, what would be best for my wallet and/or getting my ass out of the way of unnecessary trouble. That helping up the darkside points without going psychotic on retarded children, which at one point when I tried to play as a complete sociopath I had to step away and go, this is just beyond overkill.

The problem is that game designers aren't very creative in how Sith act in games. They just assume they are rampant nutjobs who seek power by rushing headlong into the quickest and easiest thing. Yet, in the original Star Wars movies, the top Sith Lord is a calculating puppet master who plays the galaxy like a fiddle. A lot of Sith Lords are like that in the lore. That's a big aspect of the dark side that game designers missed in the KOTOR games. Instead all the darkside guys come off as barely smarter than souped up thugs. I'M CRAZY, GIVE ME YOUR WALLET OR I FRY YOUR ASS!

[stray]

Yet, in the original Star Wars movies, the top Sith Lord is a calculating puppet master who plays the galaxy like a fiddle.

Heh, I'm going to assume that you meant "violin"? 

Or maybe not?

[dusematic]

Why would you assume that?  It's a fucking figure of speech. 

[Jacob0883]

Why would you assume that?  It's a fucking figure of speech. 

Check the general discussion, I think he asked about violin repair in there.  It was a joke.

[dusematic]

Good point.

[stray]

You guys lost me.

[edit] Or I lost you. Either/or.

[Yegolev]

Violin or fiddle?  The debate ends.

[stray]

Violin or fiddle?  The debate ends.

Heh, basically my point was (and the joke is even more dorky now that I'm going to explain it) that a fiddle conjures up images of Hee Haw for me. It's the last thing I'd expect a Sith Lord to be "playing the galaxy" with.

But a violin I could understand.

[Lantyssa]

Darth Bumpkin: "Bring me my fiddle."
Attendent: "Your *giggle* fiddle, my Lord?"
Darth Bumpkin: *force chokes Attendent*
Darth Bumpkin: "Bring me my fiddle!"
New Attendent: "Right away my Lord!"

[Kail]

Is Jade Empire any good?  I was thinking I might rent that or KOTOR 2.

If you liked Fable, but wanted a better story, you'd like Jade Empire.

It's a bit like KotOR 1, but with real-time actioney combat (pause-able, of course). The story is good. I thought the X-Box graphics were gorgeous, but I was playing in on a 27" non-HD TV. YMMV.

I liked Fable, but not Jade Empire.  For one, the combat was very underwhelming for me (went from "dear God, a sleeping dog could beat this game" to "HOLY SHIT I WILL KILL THE CHEAP FUCKERS WHO WROTE THIS BOSS" a number of times towards the end of the game).  Two, there wasn't really much character customization.  You couldn't change your gear or outfit or anything.  You could change the length of your stat bars and augment the speed of some of your punches by 15% or so, but that wasn't really terribly impressive to me.  Those are important things to me.  I agree that the story in Jade Empire was better though, and the end credits deserve special mention ("...and then, you punched a mountain... IN SPACE!").

The problem is that game designers aren't very creative in how Sith act in games. They just assume they are rampant nutjobs who seek power by rushing headlong into the quickest and easiest thing. Yet, in the original Star Wars movies, the top Sith Lord is a calculating puppet master who plays the galaxy like a fiddle. A lot of Sith Lords are like that in the lore. That's a big aspect of the dark side that game designers missed in the KOTOR games. Instead all the darkside guys come off as barely smarter than souped up thugs. I'M CRAZY, GIVE ME YOUR WALLET OR I FRY YOUR ASS!

Yeah, bugs me too.   Being evil is NOT the same as being a complete dickhead to everyone you meet.  Darth Vader does not rough up people for their lunch money.  "Wrinkles" Palpatine doesn't fry people because he wants to be evil, he is evil because he wants to fry people.  They do this all the time and it drives me nuts.  Black and White did it, Neverwinter Nights, Fable... even Jade Empire, where they specifically said the way of the Closed Fist is not just bullying, it's this big ethical/philosophical position about how adversity makes people stronger and therefore you should make people's lives as tough as you can, most of the time had you just whacking people for giggles and giving you evil points for it.

[Paelos]

Violin or fiddle?  The debate ends.

Heh, basically my point was (and the joke is even more dorky now that I'm going to explain it) that a fiddle conjures up images of Hee Haw for me. It's the last thing I'd expect a Sith Lord to be "playing the galaxy" with.

But a violin I could understand.

I'm from the South, thus the natural saying of "fiddle" instead of violin in the figure of speech. Oh and Hee Haw was awesome. Up yours.

Or should I say, Up Yall's.

[stray]

Hey, I'm from Texas, man.

Roy Clark was cool, I guess.

[Pococurante]

Same.

In Texas fiddling is what real men and real women do to lighten folks' feets and bring out the love.  Mastering The Violin is what bitter starving artists on base union wage do to avoid disappointing their mothers.

Mostly kidding of course - we're fortunate to have some of the world's leading orchestras in our state.  Bastards get too much of my money.

But I'd still rather hear me some Kentucky pickin' and Texas fiddlin'.

[Lantyssa]

y'all's

At least spell it correctly. :P

[Pococurante]

Thank you Lan.

I blame that moron some inbred family dragged down from Kennebunkport.