AddOns post-1.8

[Ironwood]

Cheers mate.

[Tale]

Even with the fixed repair costs in this last patch dying in WoW at 60 is way worse than dying in EQ at the max level ever was on a raid. Making back the 5-10g it can cost if you wipe a few times on a WoW raid can take as long or longer than getting back the tiny bit of experience lost when you got a 96% exp rez in EQ.

That's only because you care about 5g (which was reduced in the recent patch for most armour). If you have enough gold not to care about spending, which is the case for many people, death doesn't hurt at all. I'm in that situation because my tradeskills are mining and skinning for income, and I happened to loot some things that sold very well on the AH. EQ had a similar financial penalty in the form of coffin costs. WoW lacks any further penalty, so the rich don't really care when they wipe.

I'll have to try Auctioneer today. I read it was a way to bloat your UI memory requirements due to the amount of data, so I never installed it. But it sounds worth a look.

[El Gallo]

It is pretty brutal for people who enjoy raiding but aren't 40 hour a week catass farmers.  Especially when learning new raids, you can expect to die 10+ times a night, and have to pay inflated repair bot costs.  It's way, way harsher than mid-late EQ1's death penalty on those people.

It's nothing for your non-raiding accumulator types, though.  They rarely die and have shitloads of cash.

[Miasma]

Enough people didn't like corpse runs/rot that there is now a graveyard zone where your corpse appears after a week or so.  It was only exhilarating until you actually did lose your corpse. The risk also caused players not to try new things / areas / mobs.

But back on topic I downloaded some of the addons discussed here and found most to be great.  I can't believe that auctioneer one is allowed, it's pushing the boundaries of what might be considered an exploitive macro.  And I really like the way scrolling combat text works, it does make it feel Final Fantasyish.

I don't see auctioneer as all that exploitive. It doesn't do anything that you couldn't do manually if you were a complete fanatic on playing the auction house.

You could use that exact same argument to legitimize bots that auto level you to 60 and farm gold for you.  "Well it's nothing I couldn't do if I were a fanatic who played the game 18 hours a day.  So why not?".  You have to draw the line somewhere.

[Phred]

I guess it's a matter of perspective. To me something that builds a database of current ah prices is in no way comparable to a programmable bot that plays my character for me by messing with the program space of WoW.exe.

[Dren]

You could use that exact same argument to legitimize bots that auto level you to 60 and farm gold for you.  "Well it's nothing I couldn't do if I were a fanatic who played the game 18 hours a day.  So why not?".  You have to draw the line somewhere.

I'm not drawing the line on auctioneer.  I think you've completely lost perspective.  I suppose if you look at everything like a legal document, you're argument would be valid.  I'm just playing to have fun.

[Merusk]

I think I found another Add-On that's useful enough to bother with.
AutoProfit  - Autosells all grey items in your inventory.  You can also change it to not sell certain greys (why) or to add certain whites you know won't sell on the AH. (Like Fish Oil for Alliance)

[Ironwood]

That looks sweet.  Might try that when I get home.

Did anyone ever find an auto-poison that actually worked well ?  For buying from Vendors and whatnot ?

[SurfD]

I think I found another Add-On that's useful enough to bother with.
AutoProfit  - Autosells all grey items in your inventory.  You can also change it to not sell certain greys (why) or to add certain whites you know won't sell on the AH. (Like Fish Oil for Alliance)

I would imagine not wantin it to sell certain Greys (such as Evil Bat Eyes, or Vibrant Plumes) would be because they are used for factioning with certain groups, such as the DarkMoon Faire.

[Pococurante]

So is this what I should expect (IF I get...) in the higher lvl game? A dependcy on 3rd party tools?

Well we're talking about a feature baked into the game - Blizz intentionally released a minimum function UI and turned the players loose creating interesting stuff, stuff that Blizz often in turn made part of the base UI.

I think this is all good.  Insisting on playing with the barebones interface is interesting in an e-peen sort of way but plug-ins are not 3rd party tools.  I go back and forth on this with a good RL friend who brags to this day he didn't use UOAssist until two years ago.

[Ironwood]

Also, I think dependancy is a little much.

[stray]

Eh, don't go there Iron. That's shitty.

Anyways, I'm definitely not it doing for "e-peen" reasons. I just simply bought a game, installed it, and started playing. No extra steps. Just like other every other game I play. I didn't know Blizzard's UI was "barebones" because I had nothing to compare it to. And now that I do know more about them, I look at back at the times I've played, and I can't see one situation where I might have gotten some use from their aid. I've done fine without them.

[Dren]

Also, I think dependancy is a little much.

I shake without them.  Is that wrong?

[Ironwood]

Um.  I think I've been misunderstood.  Again.

I am merely pointing out that pretty much all the 3rd party addons that we've used (or been forced to use for Raiding) have been things that have aided tasks rather than 'doing anything for you'.

And while Blizzard added some raid tools, the fact is that CTRaid is still a lot better than what comes with the game.  Personally, I love the 'signal ready' thing that comes with it.  It even has its own little fanfare.

Wasn't being shitty.  Honest.

I think the closest thing to a game breaker that I have used is Gatherer and, frankly, with the rising gold prices and competing with farmers for resources, I find it a lot easier than relying on dumb luck.

[stray]

Wasn't being shitty.  Honest.

I mean pointing out the typo....Yes, I fucked up. No need to bold it  .


That is, unless you were bolding it to emphasize my use of the word, and not my misspelling. If so, then I fucked up again. 

[Dren]

I took it as the use of the word.  Didn't notice any typo.

I agreed that dependancy is a strong word to use.  Sure I piss and moan when they get broken, but it doesn't stop me from playing.

In fact, I got tired of fixing them for awhile and went with the raw UI.  It is fine.

[Ironwood]

Wasn't being shitty.  Honest.

I mean pointing out the typo....Yes, I fucked up. No need to bold it  .


That is, unless you were bolding it to emphasize my use of the word, and not my misspelling. If so, then I fucked up again. 

Yes.

I didn't notice the typo.  And I have an English Degree (hons).  So I guess you can call me the dick for not noticing !

:D

[Pococurante]

I spent this past weekend playing without any plugins - stayed with the aforementioned "barebones UI e-peen" friend.  It was a pleasant surprise to see how many things have been folded into the base UI, little things like mouse-over numeric displays on rep bars and whatnot.

By the way, hard to miss what one never had... ;)  Running in a full-featured UI with best of breed plugins just makes it an entirely new game.  One with more fun and less tedious.