Shadowbane - Almost free!

[stray]

I was going to spend money on getting into 9th edition MT:O, but right now I'm leaning towards SB. I'm so fickle.

At least you know MtG isn't going to turn into a trainwreck.

Why? Why even comment? You've admittedly never even played the game.

What do you want?

[Strazos]

Between what everyone else has said, and seeing the game in action, I think it's reasonable to say that Sb has a far better chance at failing (again) than MtG.

I never understood how anyone could continue to fund something as broken as ShadowBane.

[stray]

I never understood how anyone could continue to fund something as broken as ShadowBane.

Good for you. Keep not understanding then. I have no problem with that. What I have problem with is that you feel a need to come to this thread and say that...But not say anything else.

Besides, Shadowbane is still here (i.e. it's not quite a trainwreck). Hell, even the guy who made the last criticism in this thread (Sinij), STILL PLAYS IT. As far as "broken" goes, the main issue that made many people quit back in the day (the cost of rebuilding a city after being defeated) is a thing of the past.

That's all I'll say.

[Strazos]

Until recently, AC2 was still running.

Isn't Horizons also still live?


Though I suppose I can rank Sb above WW2O

[stray]

Two expansions, an additional Euro launch, and it keeps on tickin'.

It definitely suffered from a bad launch though. There were various issues I won't get into, but needless to say, these problems chased thousands of subscribers away within the first 6 months. Although they've fixed many of these issues, THIS is what puts the game in the weak state it's in. Not that it is a trainwreck now. It's because it was a trainwreck before.

Not everyone left though, because it serves a niche. It's a fundamentally good idea. It's still good enough and niche enough to sustain itself....Which is why the problems didn't outright kill it. Now that some of those previous issues were fixed, the "good idea" can be enjoyed with less headaches.

[Shockeye]

Though I suppose I can rank Sb above WW2O

No you can't since you never played SB. Stop it.

[Strazos]

So the question is: Is the demo really worth it? All I hear from people is that you have to be a catass FotM macro'ing whore to accomplish anything in the game.

And this is from people who supposedly liked the game.

[stray]

So the question is: Is the demo really worth it? All I hear from people is that you have to be a catass FotM macro'ing whore to accomplish anything in the game.

Dude, what? Is the demo worth it?

It's fucking free!

All I hear from people is that you have to be a catass FotM macro'ing whore to accomplish anything in the game.

Accomplishing "anything" in the game? No.

It's a pvp game. Macro'ing wouldn't get you very far there.

And no, you don't need to macro to level. Not everyone does it, and not every can do it because they don't have the right people/guild to do it with anyways.

Besides that, it's faster leveling than any other mmorpg around (to my knowledge at least). Most people don't have a driving need to skip the lvling process, since it's pretty fast to begin with.

FoTM: Means shit. It's a pretty well balanced game, with tons of options. Whatever fotm's do come about from time to time, they never have huge glaring advantages over everyone. As long as your character isn't a high strength, retarded elf, or that you're not a class fighting a class specifically designed to kill yours, then you have every opportunity to kill someone just as much as they do you.

[stray]

Hmm.....

Quite a few krazy Koreans on atm. I would have never guessed that they'd congregate here.

[Strazos]

It's kind of a shame too, because after looking back over the SB site for the first time in years, the potential for a cool game is there.

But then I know that I won't have the time to invest.

Or a lot of people to play with

Which kind of defeats the purpose. I mean, how many sane people really like running around without a guild and town?

Or like losing that town because they don't play at 6 in the morning?

At least it appears people will have to start from scratch, instead of migrating in.

[Evangolis]

Hmm.....

Quite a few krazy Koreans on atm. I would have never guessed that they'd congregate here.

They, and the other asians, came when the SB Asian servers closed down.  It's good for a guild to have strong international allies.

Find a guild if you can, the game is much better with guildies.  When last I played, most people did AFK macro groups to minimize exposure to the PvE, at least in the R3-R4 range.  Ventrillo or such is also good to have.

[sinij]

multi-charter multi-guild nation

As I understand it, you can only have sub-guilds that are the same charter has the main guild so I don't see how you can have multi-charter nations anymore.

You can have multi-charter nation without much problem - you have two tags and one voice chat to coordinate. Most guilds already use voice chat and always-same-group spec build teams for competitive reasons, having one tag was just a formality .

[stray]

Hmm.....

Quite a few krazy Koreans on atm. I would have never guessed that they'd congregate here.

They, and the other asians, came when the SB Asian servers closed down.  It's good for a guild to have strong international allies.

Find a guild if you can, the game is much better with guildies.  When last I played, most people did AFK macro groups to minimize exposure to the PvE, at least in the R3-R4 range.  Ventrillo or such is also good to have.

I'm not sure what's good about allying with people I can't even communicate with.  

Hell, it's not just that. I'm detecting very few people who I can communicate with. Period. Even the (I'm guessing?) Americans. This is so much worse than WoW it's not even funny (and I hate to say that...SB itself has improved). Even when some of the foreign people do try to speak a little English, it's just some fucked up, garbled version of leetspeak. What could be worse?

Have you ever been a regular at a bar or club, but dropped out of it's scene for a while.....Then came back months later only to find it occupied with nothing but unfamiliar faces?

Well, I'm getting that same sad feeling here, except replace "unfamilar faces" with "completely spastic kids"......"Unfamilar" spastic kids at that.

Maybe all of the familiar spastics are on Test, waiting for the new server to come out. I don't know.

[edit] This must be what the death of an mmo looks like. I've never seen one up close, so you tell me....

Strazos may be right, after all....But for a different reason.

[sinij]

Current population of SB tends to be composed from Asians, leet kiddies and very few remaining big named guilds running mostly with sceleton crew just not to turn lights off. Everyone is waiting for new server, old ones played out.

[Stephen Zepp]

Shadowbane was by far the absolutely most amazing design/vision I've ever seen in an MMOG to date. Not only that, but it even had more "amazing" moments during play than any other game I've seen--and that includes 100v100 fights in Planetside, not to mention some pretty damn cool catass raids in Planes of Power in EQ1...

If it weren't for that damned sb.exe, I'd still be playing today. Even without however, it's hard to go back to even thinking about it.

[stray]

Current population of SB tends to be composed from Asians, leet kiddies and very few remaining big named guilds running mostly with sceleton crew just not to turn lights off. Everyone is waiting for new server, old ones played out.

I'm going to try to stick it out a little longer, I guess.

I think that'll I'll just move to Test for now. I'm just trying to relearn the game anyways...Might as well do it with faster lvling.

[Hoax]

I've been trying to play, sort of, but I need a guild I'm not trying to re-learn how to build a top tier character in that oh so complicated (but great because it is complex) system when most everyone playing has played their fav class using every potential template option and fine tuned it to the max.

So yeah, I need a guild I have some forum friends from another site who are barely trying to get something together but so far we can't even pick a charter in 2 days so I have little hope.  Seems fairly certain that I will make whatever character, try to join a random guild who's charter my character fits in and realize I dont like being a 4th class citizen in a guild made up of randoms and quit.   Oh well, sure wish SB had turned out better, its still fun as hell despite the point and click movement.

*too many wills, way too many*

[stray]

I've been trying to play, sort of, but I need a guild I'm not trying to re-learn how to build a top tier character in that oh so complicated (but great because it is complex) system when most everyone playing has played their fav class using every potential template option and fine tuned it to the max.

That's why I'm just going with a Barb.

I'd like to try something new, like a Nightstalker or a Sentinel, but everything, even a lot of older classes that I used to play, seem a little more complex than they were before.

[Yegolev]

For what it's worth, I played EQ on The Nameless which seemed to be at least one-third TW, maybe one-half when the planets lined up.  Anyway, sometime near the end of my tenure when I decided to quit trying to fuck around having fun and instead catass2victory, I spent some time talking to the ~la crowd.  I did find a few good people out there, and had a good conversation in between croc aggroes in NR once and learned some TW code.  Took some effort on my part, but if I had stayed on I could have seen myself joining up with some TW guild.

[Strazos]

TW = ?

[stray]

Taiwanese, I'm assuming.