Revolution not supporting HDTV.

[Shockeye]

The more I hear, the more I read, the more I get the feeling that there isn't anything better than a standard CRT.

[schild]

As the proud owner of 3 different technologies, let me say this right now:

CRT.

kthx.

[squirrel]

The more I hear, the more I read, the more I get the feeling that there isn't anything better than a standard CRT.

You're correct depending on application. For image quality there is nothing superior to CRT yet. HDTV CRT's are beautiful things. However, fixed pixel displays are better at HTPC and PC/Console gaming. But you have to pick your poison, there's no perfect set yet.

[schild]

CRT for gaming in any game where black is a necessary evil is still the best way to go. And since most games worth their salt have dark patches, CRT is the best way to go.

Also, I'll admit, firing up a projector just isn't as fun. And bulbs are expensive, period.

[Trippy]

You're correct depending on application. For image quality there is nothing superior to CRT yet. HDTV CRT's are beautiful things. However, fixed pixel displays are better at HTPC and PC/Console gaming. But you have to pick your poison, there's no perfect set yet.

How are fixed pixel displays better for PC gaming? You don't get the refresh rate of CRTs, you lose the "sharpness" if you don't play at the native resolution and many LCDs only display 18-bit color.

[schild]

I think he likes screen doors.  :-D

[Yegolev]

Their target audience seems to be under 12 years old... they won't care.

I just don't have enough middle fingers!

[schild]

"Nintendo Brand Scores Among Kids"

When asked to finger the "coolest" brands, children ages 8 to 12 ranked Nintendo first, followed by Disney, McDonald's, Nike, and Hummer, researchers Decision Analyst and Hypothesis said in a recent statement outlining their "Hot or Not?" survey. As the survey pool switched to older consumers, ages 13 to 17, Nintendo slipped to the fifth slot behind (in order from number one) Nike, Hummer, Abercrombie, and Sony. Those that owned the bottom of the coolest-brand lineups were Toyota, Volkswagen, Levi's, Dell, Ford, and Starbucks for the younger group, while Ford, Levi's, Burger King, Volkswagen, and Toyota owned the cellar for the 13- to 17-year-old age group. The survey was conducted in May 2005, and tapped the opinions of 670 children and teens between the ages of 8 and 17.

Hummer and Nike? Abercrombie? This may be the first time in history that teenagers have their fingers over here, far from the pulse of cool, shoved securely up their collective ass.

And I'd almost forgotten why I hate children.

[Daydreamer]

At least Dell is in the crapper where it belongs.

[Yegolev]

Useless.  Cool kids don't answer surveys.  Even if they did, who cares if they don't like Toyota?  Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[HaemishM]

Wait, Levi's are uncool? WTF is wrong with kids these days? In my day, Levi's were the shiznit, or the '80's equivalent of the shiznit. Maybe the rocks? I don't remember, those times are a bit foggy.

[Samwise]

Levi's will never go out of style.  Ever.

[schild]

Wait, Levi's are uncool? WTF is wrong with kids these days? In my day, Levi's were the shiznit, or the '80's equivalent of the shiznit. Maybe the rocks? I don't remember, those times are a bit foggy.

I can only assume you meant "those times were a bit faggy" and... they were.

[schild]

Levi's will never go out of style.  Ever.

Not in Italy, you're right.

[HaemishM]

Wait, Levi's are uncool? WTF is wrong with kids these days? In my day, Levi's were the shiznit, or the '80's equivalent of the shiznit. Maybe the rocks? I don't remember, those times are a bit foggy.

I can only assume you meant "those times were a bit faggy" and... they were.

How dare you suggest that Rob Halford was "a bit faggy" in his leather studded outfits.

[schild]

You're right. I'll go impale myself on smoking hot pink liberty spikes worn by the girl next door with the "kill your television" shirt.

[Yegolev]

[squirrel]

You're correct depending on application. For image quality there is nothing superior to CRT yet. HDTV CRT's are beautiful things. However, fixed pixel displays are better at HTPC and PC/Console gaming. But you have to pick your poison, there's no perfect set yet.

How are fixed pixel displays better for PC gaming? You don't get the refresh rate of CRTs, you lose the "sharpness" if you don't play at the native resolution and many LCDs only display 18-bit color.

You have much larger displays (RPTV) that don't require convergence calibration. You have a 1:1 pixel mapping between a PC and the TV (usually 1280x720). Not sure what you mean about  18-bit colour - LCD panels?? My Dell LCD monitor does 32-bit colour and my Sammy DLP does 32 bit too. Perhaps lower quality LCD panels only do 18-bit? Dunno.

Personally i much prefer the 1:1 pixel mapping as it allows me to run my PC through my TV with no over or underscan - an issue on CRT RPTV's as they generally don't have the input options for digital signals that the fixed pixel displays do. If you mean your 32" CRT TV, that's fine, but i'm talking about 50"+ sets with HDMI/DVI inputs. Many new RP/CRT's have HDMI but getting them to work properly as a PC monitor is difficult in my experience. YMMV.

Like i said - pick your poison. FWIW most people who are more knowledgeable than i on this topic view CRT as the best quality but a dead technology.

[AcidCat]

FWIW most people who are more knowledgeable than i on this topic view CRT as the best quality but a dead technology.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think this is? Is it mainly the size/weight issue? To get a decent size CRT screen .. you're talking a really big, heavy beast of a TV.

[Shockeye]

Wait, Levi's are uncool? WTF is wrong with kids these days? In my day, Levi's were the shiznit, or the '80's equivalent of the shiznit. Maybe the rocks? I don't remember, those times are a bit foggy.

501's forever.

[Yegolev]

A CRT costs more to manufacture, I think.  Manufacturers are spending more R&D on the new tech, while there's not much further the CRT can go, I imagine.  I figure by the time I really need a new TV, I can get some new tech with better or comparable quality.  Maybe that buckytube thing they are working on.

My 34" CRT must weigh over 200 pounds.  It is just ridiculously heavy.  I had to pull some Egyptian ramp shit to get it into the house, only to find that there was no way in holy-hell I was going to be able to lift that fucker onto the cabinet myself.  We watched TV at floor level for a week.

[Trippy]

How are fixed pixel displays better for PC gaming? You don't get the refresh rate of CRTs, you lose the "sharpness" if you don't play at the native resolution and many LCDs only display 18-bit color.

Not sure what you mean about  18-bit colour - LCD panels?? My Dell LCD monitor does 32-bit colour and my Sammy DLP does 32 bit too. Perhaps lower quality LCD panels only do 18-bit? Dunno.

First of all most references to "32-bit color" really mean 24-bit color (8 bits for each of the red, green, and blue channels) and an 8-bit alpha channel (for blending effects). Next, Google on 6-bit and LCD and you'll see what I'm referring to. Many LCDs can only reproduce 6-bits of color for each of the RGB subpixels which means you are really only getting 262,144 distinct colors rather than the 16.7 million you get with a full 24-bit color display. And just cause your LCD spec says it supports "16 million" colors doesn't mean it is a 24-bit display. They could be lying or they could just be emulating the missing colors by using a method roughly analogous to the dithering people used to do before we got "true color" video cards. Annoyingly enough, it's often the "gaming" LCDs that have these 18-bit panels cause you can get faster response times compared to a comparably priced 24-bit LCD panel.

[squirrel]

FWIW most people who are more knowledgeable than i on this topic view CRT as the best quality but a dead technology.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think this is? Is it mainly the size/weight issue? To get a decent size CRT screen .. you're talking a really big, heavy beast of a TV.

Cost, size and maintenance. CRT's (large RPCRT's) require convergence calibration somewhat frequently or they lose thier picture advantage. And they are fucking huge and heavy. Mostly though there's not a lot of capability to improve the technology. There isn't going to be any breakthrough's in CRT tech to improve them whereas LCD/DLP/Plasma are in their infancy (well, LCD are sometimes referred to as "old" as well.) Other technologies (LCoS) are being explored as well. In the end i think CRT's have just reached the end of their life cycle. The size, weight, maintenance and technical limitations overwhelm their current picture advantage - which i'd bet they don't have for long.

[Hokers]

The extreme weight of my 34" CRT directly led to the purchace of the 30" LCD (which I loved untll about a min
ago, I will have to look up my ability to display all colors now)

CRT's may be the end all, but you better have lots of friends or professional movers if you ever want to take the thing to a new home.  Moving my cabnet a few inches to rewire took 2 people.

[Sky]

Ahh, shit. Nuked my hdtv fanboi post because I forgot to post after previewing.

Anyway, DLP, baby. Been gaming at 61" widescreen (1280x720, the set is 720p native via DVI) for the last year and a half and I can't say enough good things about it. Throw in some solid wireless control for sofa gaming, the hell with crouching over a computer desk! Sprinkle with DD5.1 home theater system, bake for hours of homestyle gaming goodness.



Planetside kicks ass. GTASA is friggin' awesome. Or dope, I guess. It was nice seeing a lot of E3 presentations on widescreens. Now include native support in the games, pigfuckers.

[Shockeye]

What about JVC's D-ILA system? It's a 3-chip DLP-like system. Is it any good? Costco has a 61" for $2500.

JVC's breakdown of their technology.

Seems to me D-ILA is the way to go. No screen door or rainbows. I like that.

[Trippy]

What about JVC's D-ILA system? It's a 3-chip DLP-like system. Is it any good? Costco has a 61" for $2500.

JVC's breakdown of their technology.

Seems to me D-ILA is the way to go. No screen door or rainbows. I like that.

My understanding is that Liquid Crystal on Silicon (or LCoS, D-ILA is JVC's brand name for that technology) displays have a much smaller contrast ratio compared to DLP (~1000:1 vs ~3000:1).