So, what're you playing?

[Raguel]

Have you tried Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous? I've been playing that a lot, and I'm told it's better than Kingmaker by far.

Not yet, but I do have it. Hopefully it's not too good;  I have a lot of homework to do 

[Riggswolfe]

I don't remember who suggested the game, but I finally got around to playing Pathinder:Kingmaker and I love it. It reminds me of the BG series. The only thing I don't like about  it is the difficulty spikes; you can go into areas where you're severely underleveled but there's no real way to know that.

Kingmaker is fun but a) it has those spikes you're talking about though they seem to become less of a problem as you level up b) it has arbitrary deadlines that hamper the fun of exploration and c) it drags on forever. I've never actually finished it because I eventually just sort of run out of patience.

[Khaldun]

Wrath of the Righteous also drags at the end.

[Reg]

With the right mods that can be fixed though. I gave it one honest playthrough and after that, I went to Nexus and got mods to get me through the tedious parts.

[Raguel]

With the right mods that can be fixed though. I gave it one honest playthrough and after that, I went to Nexus and got mods to get me through the tedious parts.

Mind posting your modlist?

So I think I'm getting what you guys are talking about now. There's so many "quests" they throw at you at once, without telling you that some of them are time sensitive, nor do I really have an idea of which are the most urgent. As a narrative  (I don't mean the text, just the order of the missions given to you) is just all over the place.

Also two missions I've done where I had the required quest item in the inventory and couldn't find it, and another quest where I needed an item in my inventory, but the game really doesn't say you need it in your inventory.  


Overall, I still think it's a good game.

[Khaldun]

Yeah. But I feel very cranky about things like "oh you needed THAT item, not the other forty you have with you" and "oh sorry we didn't tell you three hours ago that you needed to do that quest first" and "remember way back at the beginning of the game? you actually needed to do what seemed like a minor sidequest that's hard to find otherwise you can't really win at the end" because all of those design mistakes were done so much at the dawn of CRPGing and everybody understood "don't do that" henceforth. That is, until the wheel turned enough that a new generation of designers got to make the same mistakes all over again.

[Raguel]

Less than a week after I bought the dlcs for Kingmaker, a Humble Bundle dropped.  At least I can get all the WotR dlcs for under 15.

[Reg]

With the right mods that can be fixed though. I gave it one honest playthrough and after that, I went to Nexus and got mods to get me through the tedious parts.

Mind posting your modlist?

First I installed Modfinder. Nexus isn't absolutely reliable for important mods anymore but Modfinder is always current.

https://github.com/Pathfinder-WOTR-Modding-Community/ModFinder

Once that's done you want Toybox. With Toybox, there's no limit to what you can do. You can use it just for a little help or spoil the game for yourself but it's important. Here's an example of what it can do. I wanted the ultimate ending where you marry the Queen and you both ascend to godhood along with your party. When the time came I couldn't do it because I'd forgotten one step that happened halfway through the game. It would have taken days of replaying from that point to get what I needed. With Toybox, I just cheated the item into my inventory. I mean geeze, I just wanted to see the cutscenes! :)

My other mod is Bubble Buffs. That's a tool that lets your characters automatically cast all of the buffs you need for major battles.
I also have Puzzle Skip which helped me through a set of insanely irritating quests. I'm not sure if it's currently working or not though.

[Raguel]

Yeah. But I feel very cranky about things like "oh you needed THAT item, not the other forty you have with you" and "oh sorry we didn't tell you three hours ago that you needed to do that quest first" and "remember way back at the beginning of the game? you actually needed to do what seemed like a minor sidequest that's hard to find otherwise you can't really win at the end" because all of those design mistakes were done so much at the dawn of CRPGing and everybody understood "don't do that" henceforth. That is, until the wheel turned enough that a new generation of designers got to make the same mistakes all over again.

"That, sucks. I hope I don't encounter any of that soon", I thought, as I entered the Tenebrous Depths.

[Raguel]

With the right mods that can be fixed though. I gave it one honest playthrough and after that, I went to Nexus and got mods to get me through the tedious parts.

Mind posting your modlist?

First I installed Modfinder. Nexus isn't absolutely reliable for important mods anymore but Modfinder is always current.

https://github.com/Pathfinder-WOTR-Modding-Community/ModFinder

Once that's done you want Toybox. With Toybox, there's no limit to what you can do. You can use it just for a little help or spoil the game for yourself but it's important. Here's an example of what it can do. I wanted the ultimate ending where you marry the Queen and you both ascend to godhood along with your party. When the time came I couldn't do it because I'd forgotten one step that happened halfway through the game. It would have taken days of replaying from that point to get what I needed. With Toybox, I just cheated the item into my inventory. I mean geeze, I just wanted to see the cutscenes! :)

My other mod is Bubble Buffs. That's a tool that lets your characters automatically cast all of the buffs you need for major battles.
I also have Puzzle Skip which helped me through a set of insanely irritating quests. I'm not sure if it's currently working or not though.

Those sound good.  Does Toybox also have a quick sell ability or should I just stop picking up trash?

[Reg]

I don't know of any quick-sell capability. I tired of the inventory management game in games long ago. I just created a few bags of holding and picked up everything I found. :)

[Fraeg]

Played BG1 at release when I was in my early 20s.  Back at it, playing whatever the latest greatest version of it is, and BG1 still delivers.  Looking forward to next playing BG2 as I never did play it.  By the time BG2 rolled out I had discovered MMOs and that was all she wrote for a bit.

cheers