IGN reviews KOTR2

[CmdrSlack]

Actually, it's not Bioware who did this one, some shop called Obsidian did it.  That might explain a bit of the "rehash" feel and the lockup bugs, etc.



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I think I missed the same part, Rasix.  It might be the one you can buy from droid part vendors.  I never found one that I could loot, and aside from a few doors I could never open, I think I looted everything on my first playthru.

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[Rasix]

Ahh yes, Obsidian. Forgot it wasn't actually Bioware this time. And I guess that could excuse some of the buginess.  



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Acutally, I just looked at a faq.  It appears I got two of the exact same part.  Or it installed one part as the other.  Because I've gotten all 4 parts from the exact 4 places this person listed.

Ohh well, I wanted to hear "meatbag" at least once.

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[CmdrSlack]

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Well over at that other site, it seems that it's possible to get him activated.  Bug?  Hrm, I guess I'll have to check the FAQ and hope that this time around, I manage to get him up and running.  Still on the first world after the mining station, working on my dark side char.  Have done the first part install from the HKs you kill on Peragus.  

Oh yeah, and btw, just wait for the Kreia stuff to get way way neater.


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[stray]

Just get him when you play Dark Side. You'll get more out of him that way, and leaving it undone is one more reason to look forward to when replaying.

[Train Wreck]

I really love the light/dark play and the decisions you have to make.  Going dark in my next game is really going to be a big mind trip for me.  Fuck, being this good has been difficult in itself.  Trying to gain influence with some characters can be difficult as well.   Mira is proving especially difficult.  

Mira's actually pretty easy.  You can get all the influence you need just by talking to her on the Ebon Hawk.  I was lightside though, so maybe it has some effect.  I also had a persuade skill of about 20, though I can't remember if I had to use it on her or not.

For darksiders, I hear there is also benefits to be had by having extremely low influence with characters.  You want one extreme or the other.

[Train Wreck]

Anyways, besides all that, the story still holds up until the end.

If you mean the story is good *until* the end, then starts to fall apart, I have to agree.  The Force is something best left vague ("May the Force be with you").  When they try to start fleshing it out, it sounds more and more ridiculous.  This has been the case in Episodes I & II, and the Star Wars novels I have read.  Now I am adding KOTOR2 to that list, although the first 80% of the story is quite good.  They lost me at the end.

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A Sith Lord kills everybody on a planet at once just by using his mastery of the force to kill everybody that is force-sensitive.  WTF?  How does that work?  And then when you go up against him, you beat him down like a red-headed step-child in about 5 seconds.

He got his power by learning the Hunger skill or something?  What in the damned hell does that mean?  The only one that made any sense was Betrayal.

I also couldn't wrap my brain around how Exile was going to be used to "kill" the force.

Am I the only one that feels this way?  I do have to say that the first 80% of the story or so was excellent.  It just kind of crumbled due to infeasibilities.  And it has nothing on KOTOR I's story, although the gameplay is much improved.

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Roger Smith (of Spike Lee fame) stands out to me though. He plays Bao-Dur, and although the character doesn't have a whole lot to say, he makes do with it. It's subtle, but very spot on. The guy made me uncomfortable every time I heard his voice.

"You threaten one of my friends with a lightsaber, and you expect me to just stand by and do nothing?"  Then with a threatening whisper that dripping with wrath: "No."  That's my most memorable line of spoken dialog.

I also love the smart-assed and evil comments you can make in the diolog.  "Stay here, Atton.  We need somebody to soak up the blaster fire."

"But you can't blaim me!  I was tricked!"
"Actually, I can blaim you.  Painfully.

"Thank you for saving me.  I suspected her of treachery, but was waiting for her to show her hand"
"Don't thank me.  You're next."

"Thank you for saving me!"
"You may still be in danger if you prove to be useless to me."

I think the best is when you use Mind Domination to trick some thugs into jumping to their deaths, then convincing Atton that was an act of the lightside to gain influence.

[Xilren's Twin]

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Well over at that other site, it seems that it's possible to get him activated.  Bug?  Hrm, I guess I'll have to check the FAQ and hope that this time around, I manage to get him up and running.  Still on the first world after the mining station, working on my dark side char.  Have done the first part install from the HKs you kill on Peragus.  

Hrm, I had all the parts I needed to activate him after just 2 of the 4 stops looking for jedi masters.  His Assasin Protocols at high level plus a keen, massive critical weapon and master critical shot skill is a joy to behold. Plus the commentary of course...Meatbag.

Not asking for any spoilers but does this game exceed level 20?  I've only done Dxun/Onderon and Nar Shadaa (current back to Dxun and the split missions) and I've got a full group of npc's at lvl 18 and up.  I should have a long ways to go yet..

Xilren

[stray]

Not asking for any spoilers but does this game exceed level 20?  I've only done Dxun/Onderon and Nar Shadaa (current back to Dxun and the split missions) and I've got a full group of npc's at lvl 18 and up.  I should have a long ways to go yet..

Xilren

You'll max out somewhere around 27-29

[Riggswolfe]

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A Sith Lord kills everybody on a planet at once just by using his mastery of the force to kill everybody that is force-sensitive.  WTF?  How does that work?  And then when you go up against him, you beat him down like a red-headed step-child in about 5 seconds.

He fed off the force. His power was a larger version of a darkside power that is mentioned in novels and such that feeds off of life. It'll kill insects and such. His was taken to the extreme and as well he had no control over it. He was able to kill the entire planet because the entire planet was force sensitive.

The Exile is able to beat him because of his unique nature which is explicitly described by the Jedi towards the end of the game. Actually, not long before this fight.

He got his power by learning the Hunger skill or something?  What in the damned hell does that mean?  The only one that made any sense was Betrayal.

See above for him. Pain was blatantly obvious when you look at the Sith Lord who had it. He basically drew power from pain, his own and others. Which makes a hell of a lot of sense when you think about the nature of the force as described in the movies and novels. Remember, the force reacts to emotion, and pain is one hell of a way to cause emotion.

I also couldn't wrap my brain around how Exile was going to be used to "kill" the force.

The exiles unique power was that he focused the force around him. It's how your NPCs could become Jedi. Malachor V was  destroyed and it cuased a huge disturbance in the force. This was made worse because alot of Jedi died in its destruction. The way the Exile could destroy the force was by magnifying this disturbance. It was said that he was able to survive the destruction by essentially blindning hijmself to the force. If he were to magnify this disturbance it'd overwhelm all force users in the galaxy and none of them would be able to survive it.

All of this is again explained in great detail, it even speaks of the disturbance as waves that could be magnified and cause a sort of interference pattern throughout the force.

I don't know. I know alot of people had issues with the plot, especially with understanding it. My primary reaction was "that's freaking cool, I never thought of that before".

[stray]

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Pain was blatantly obvious when you look at the Sith Lord who had it. He basically drew power from pain, his own and others.

Did anyone else here find Darth Sion's voice a little funny? I mean, I thought he was bad ass, but never before have I heard a Scotsman sound so dark and weary.

The exiles unique power was that he focused the force around him. It's how your NPCs could become Jedi.....

I don't know. I know alot of people had issues with the plot, especially with understanding it. My primary reaction was "that's freaking cool, I never thought of that before".

I enjoyed the story too. More than the first, because it was alot more mature and philosophical. Some people just don't like wrapping their heads around that kind of thing though, whether it be movies or music, but probably even moreso with games. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just that some people tune out when all they want is to be entertained.

I also liked how they tied the game mechanics into the actual plot. I know I've seen it before in other games, but I can't think of any off the top of my head atm. In KoToR 2's case, they use standard mechanic in all party based RPG's -- how your party attacks whoever you attack, and follows where ever you go -- to illustrate how you influence these characters in the force, how they have no will of their own around you. It's pretty clever.

[Ironwood]

Did anyone else here find Darth Sion's voice a little funny? I mean, I thought he was bad ass, but never before have I heard a Scotsman sound so dark and weary.

Gimme a call.

[Train Wreck]

********SPOILERS CAVEAT: Ok, skip this entire post if you haven't finished KOROT 2 yet.  In fact, it's probably best to stop reading this thread if you haven't already.)*******

He fed off the force. His power was a larger version of a darkside power that is mentioned in novels and such that feeds off of life. It'll kill insects and such. His was taken to the extreme and as well he had no control over it. He was able to kill the entire planet because the entire planet was force sensitive.

That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.  If he couldn't control his hunger, why didn't his apprentice die?  I remember the plot bringing up this question, but I don't recall it getting resolved.  And does that mean that any Jedi besides his apprentice that gets too close to him just drops dead, or what?  I know that's not the actual case because I had an all-Jedi party when I attacked him.

The Exile is able to beat him because of his unique nature which is explicitly described by the Jedi towards the end of the game. Actually, not long before this fight.

His special skill is that he forms bonds and is able to control the force through other force-sensitives.  That's said to be why he was able to face Darth Nihilus (or however you spell it).  What about the other Jedi (besides Visas) in the party then?  Why didn't they just keel over?

Pain was blatantly obvious when you look at the Sith Lord who had it. He basically drew power from pain, his own and others. Which makes a hell of a lot of sense when you think about the nature of the force as described in the movies and novels. Remember, the force reacts to emotion, and pain is one hell of a way to cause emotion.

That's entirely plausible.  Good explanation.

The exiles unique power was that he focused the force around him. It's how your NPCs could become Jedi.

The Exile didn't transfer the force to others.  He parasited force-use off of existing force users.  The reason they were all able to become Jedi is because they all happened to be force-sensitive to begin with.

I know how the story explained he could be used to kill the force.  But even then, it sounded whack.  I guess when trying to outdo themselves for the surpreme job they did on Revan, they really had to dig deep.  But IMHO, they did themselves a disservice.

Malachor V was  destroyed and it cuased a huge disturbance in the force. This was made worse because alot of Jedi died in its destruction. The way the Exile could destroy the force was by magnifying this disturbance. It was said that he was able to survive the destruction by essentially blindning hijmself to the force. If he were to magnify this disturbance it'd overwhelm all force users in the galaxy and none of them would be able to survive it.

I have to question this too.  And I'm by no means an expert, and I'm not inclined to become one.  But since I'm trying to clear up the storyline, I find it unlikely that Treia was trying to kill all force sensitive people, everywhere.  Her full discloser at the end of the game reveals Revan's mission and her desire to see him succeed.  It's highly unlikely that she would be out to destroy all force-sensitive peoples, as it would render his mission moot.  Then again, destroying the force would render his mission moot, too.  Is it a plot hole?  Or is it that it was yet another one of her tools of manipulation to get the Exile to do what she wanted him to?

I've actually been batting around the idea that Treia was acting on Revan's behalf.  (Whether this was at his behest, or her own inititive is unclear, but I believe the later to be the case.)  I believe she was training Exile to follow Revan into the outer worlds to give him any aid he required.  I believe Malachor V was less an epic confrontation with the Sith Lords than it was the completion of his training.  

Treia obviously spoke with Revan before he went on his journey.  He sought her out before he left the Order to fight in the Mandalorian wars, and I believe he did it again when he left on his unknown mission.  Treia had more knowledge of Mandalore's mission than Mandalore did (she knew that Revan would give him an assignment and then disappear, but Mandalore was surprised and felt abandoned when he did), which implies that she had some knowledge of his strategy.

Carth was charged by Revan with keeping the Republic intact.  T3 and HK-47 were given the Ebon Hawk, presumably to find somebody that could aid him in the future, possibly the Exile specifically.  (It's unlikely that Revan would have forgotten his best general, after all).  Perhaps they and the ship accompanied him originally, but some set of circumstances forced Revan to send them back to the Republic.

But Treia... was she also given a great task by Revan, the Master Strategist?  Or did her foresight tell her what needed to be done?

I don't know. I know alot of people had issues with the plot, especially with understanding it. My primary reaction was "that's freaking cool, I never thought of that before".

At least for me, it's not so much that I don't understand it, but that it sounds crazy.  They can explain away anything because they are the one writing the rules, but they should try to keep it plausible.

[Train Wreck]

I enjoyed the story too. More than the first, because it was alot more mature and philosophical. Some people just don't like wrapping their heads around that kind of thing though

Out of curiosity, what did you find to be more mature and philisophical about it?  The first one is packed with both, not to mention a great dosage of irony.

[stray]

I enjoyed the story too. More than the first, because it was alot more mature and philosophical. Some people just don't like wrapping their heads around that kind of thing though

Out of curiosity, what did you find to be more mature and philisophical about it?  The first one is packed with both, not to mention a great dosage of irony.

More grey areas, I guess. The first one didn't have a Kreia.

To touch on your questions to Riggs about Kreia: I was under the impression that she didn't know exactly what Revan was up to, and her interests with the main character were mainly personal -- to get revenge on Sion and Nihilius.

[Train Wreck]

To touch on your questions to Riggs about Kreia: I was under the impression that she didn't know exactly what Revan was up to, and her interests with the main character were mainly personal -- to get revenge on Sion and Nihilius.

True.  She was probaby operating at her own behest.  She was clearly fond of Revan, though.  Sion even remarked that she is seeking to train one as great as her first.  And she reveals to the Exile that she didn't follow Revan because he didn't ask her too, implying that she would have at least entertained it, though giving no specific answer.

[CmdrSlack]

The exiles unique power was that he focused the force around him. It's how your NPCs could become Jedi.

Wait.

I know that you get Jedi NPCs (well Kreia and the Sith chick).  But are you saying that if my influence with someone is high enough, I can make them into a Jedi?

Is my using auto-level for the others hosing me here?  I mean, I finished it as a ridiculous light-side saint (with the light mastery bonus) and nobody turned into a jedi.

[stray]

The exiles unique power was that he focused the force around him. It's how your NPCs could become Jedi.

Wait.

I know that you get Jedi NPCs (well Kreia and the Sith chick).  But are you saying that if my influence with someone is high enough, I can make them into a Jedi?

Is my using auto-level for the others hosing me here?  I mean, I finished it as a ridiculous light-side saint (with the light mastery bonus) and nobody turned into a jedi.

I played light side as well, but that has no effect on it. It comes through the dialog options. I opened up force powers in Mira and I could have opened them up with Handmaiden (but chose not to since it would have pissed off Kreia..For some reason I didn't want to bother with).

I opened up Mira's powers pretty late in the game, so her lightsaber skills were subpar. But she made one kick ass Jedi using stasis/push and duel pistols. I had no idea how well that could work.

I figured that Atton is a possible option for female characters. I'm not so sure about males. He finally started revealing some of his past experiences with Jedi, which hinted that I might have been able to, but my influence with him made him shut up at a certain point.

[Riggswolfe]

To answer your question about NPCs becoming Jedi:

I did it with Atton and the Handmaiden. It is possible to do with Bara-dur and Mira as well.

Only Mandalore, the droids, and probably Hanharr cannot become Jedi.

[Lum]

Which is a shame, because there's something to be said for a homicidally insane wookie Sith.

[Riggswolfe]

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That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.  If he couldn't control his hunger, why didn't his apprentice die?  I remember the plot bringing up this question, but I don't recall it getting resolved.  And does that mean that any Jedi besides his apprentice that gets too close to him just drops dead, or what?  I know that's not the actual case because I had an all-Jedi party when I attacked him.

Well the key is that Krei said he doesn't control his power. It controls him. I saw it as blindly lashing out anytime he was hungry. As for his apprentice, remember, she followed the exile because her pain was similiar to his. My theory is that of all characters, Visas is closest to the Exile in how she interacts with the force.

His special skill is that he forms bonds and is able to control the force through other force-sensitives.  That's said to be why he was able to face Darth Nihilus (or however you spell it).  What about the other Jedi (besides Visas) in the party then?  Why didn't they just keel over?

Because it isn't an attack power so much as..hunger. Heh. I mean, if you played that character it wouldn't be a power you could switch on, it'd activate at certain moments without your control. You'd probably have a meter that slowly emptied that had to be refilled once in awhile. At least, that is how I took Visas explanation and Kreia's explanation.

The Exile didn't transfer the force to others.  He parasited force-use off of existing force users.  The reason they were all able to become Jedi is because they all happened to be force-sensitive to begin with.

I know how the story explained he could be used to kill the force.  But even then, it sounded whack.  I guess when trying to outdo themselves for the surpreme job they did on Revan, they really had to dig deep.  But IMHO, they did themselves a disservice.

I probably didn't explain it well enough. I didn't say he transferred it., I said he focused it. He magnified it and used it for his own ends and also sort of "Activated" other people's latent powers. As well he was sort of a magnet for force-users, at least those in his vicinity. I don't believe they "Happened" to be force sensitive, so much as he attracted those who were.

As for how he could be used, it's one of those things that you have to sort of view the force as a combination mystical energy field and scientific phenomena. You have to sort of take on faith that a person like the Exile, if placed at the right place could cause a bad "Resonance".

I have to question this too.  And I'm by no means an expert, and I'm not inclined to become one.  But since I'm trying to clear up the storyline, I find it unlikely that Treia was trying to kill all force sensitive people, everywhere.  Her full discloser at the end of the game reveals Revan's mission and her desire to see him succeed.  It's highly unlikely that she would be out to destroy all force-sensitive peoples, as it would render his mission moot.  Then again, destroying the force would render his mission moot, too.  Is it a plot hole?  Or is it that it was yet another one of her tools of manipulation to get the Exile to do what she wanted him to?

I'm not sure she wished that either. I think she was trying to convince the Exile of that because she wanted him to come to Malachor. It was all about him and her really. In him, she saw a chance to answer her own questions and in the end, she also wished to finish his training, one way or the other.

In fact, I found it hard to dislike her as a villain. I think she had more in mind than what the game was truly able to convey. I think she wanted to train the Exile, and send him to help Revan,. and she didn't care why the Exile did it, or what path he followed, as long as she got her "job" done.

I've actually been batting around the idea that Treia was acting on Revan's behalf.  (Whether this was at his behest, or her own inititive is unclear, but I believe the later to be the case.)  I believe she was training Exile to follow Revan into the outer worlds to give him any aid he required.  I believe Malachor V was less an epic confrontation with the Sith Lords than it was the completion of his training.  

Personally, I think Treia has a damn good idea what Revan's new mission is and she believes he needs help. I think she also wanted the Exile to plant seeds of a new order, whether Jedi or Sith, just in case. And yes, Malachor V was indeed the completion of his training. In fact, after I finished the game I was left with a definite Empire Strikes Back vibe, in that it was about the growth of this character, rather than an epic confrontation. It truly felt like the middle part of a trilogy.

Treia obviously spoke with Revan before he went on his journey.  He sought her out before he left the Order to fight in the Mandalorian wars, and I believe he did it again when he left on his unknown mission.  Treia had more knowledge of Mandalore's mission than Mandalore did (she knew that Revan would give him an assignment and then disappear, but Mandalore was surprised and felt abandoned when he did), which implies that she had some knowledge of his strategy.

Speaking of Mandalore, I love the subtle jibe at Boba Fett in Kreia's vision of the future. I think they did indeed have a further talk, and it may have been that talk that led to Kreia finding the Exile. I think Revan knew she'd teach him and was willing to take a chance that the Exile would make his own choice in the end. (light side interpretation of course)

Carth was charged by Revan with keeping the Republic intact.  T3 and HK-47 were given the Ebon Hawk, presumably to find somebody that could aid him in the future, possibly the Exile specifically.  (It's unlikely that Revan would have forgotten his best general, after all).  Perhaps they and the ship accompanied him originally, but some set of circumstances forced Revan to send them back to the Republic.

I found T3 extremely fascinating in this game. Did you notice that he held perhaps more secrets than any other member of the crew in this game? I wouldn't be surprised if game 3 starts with T3 plotting a course for where Revan is. In fact, I think T3 knows where Revan is, though he has blocked that memory off in some manner.

Bastilla was left behind because Revan feared emotional attachments. Kreia told me that I'd leave my love interest behind for the same reason. (Hand maiden in my case).

But Treia... was she also given a great task by Revan, the Master Strategist?  Or did her foresight tell her what needed to be done?

I think she acted to help Revan on her own accord. It's just an opinion though.

[Ganon]

To answer your question about NPCs becoming Jedi:

I did it with Atton and the Handmaiden. It is possible to do with Bara-dur and Mira as well.

Only Mandalore, the droids, and probably Hanharr cannot become Jedi.

That's pretty dumb if they want to stay true to the continuity.  Don't they remember Skippy the Jedi Droid?

[stray]

Either way, it sounds like the third installment may be better than the previous two. Revan and the Exile starting a war with the "real" Sith? Sounds great (let's just hope they upgrade the engine for this one).

[Rasix]

Ok, I just finished the game.  My WoW addiction kept me at Malachor for a week or two just waiting to do it.  Now, I think I fucked up somewhere.  Was I supposed to do the entirety of Malachor solo?  It just wouldn't let others into my group at any time what-so-ever.  Ohh well, it wasn't difficult beyond having to kill Darth Zombie 4 times.

The romance thing was interesting.  I guess officially I hooked up with Visas although I spent nearly no time with her.  I thought I was actively pursuing Handmaiden through all of it and really spent the most time with her dialog options.   I guess once I decided to "look upon" Visas, the die was cast.

I never did get Mira or Bao-dur to go Jedi.  Guess I just missed the boat with them.  And I didn't get Mandalore = Canderous until the end. I don't like missing out on semi-major plot points based on some conversation trees I seemed to be locked out of.

I liked the ending to KOTOR.  This ending and end in general just left me feeling empty and unfufilled.  Fuck, it has me not wanting to immediately replay as a dark jedi.  Plus, I like Mira, I'm not sure I want to deal with having a wookie in my party.  I hate wookies.

[Xilren's Twin]

Ok, I just finished the game. I liked the ending to KOTOR.  This ending and end in general just left me feeling empty and unfufilled.

Very similar ending for me.  I felt like I had missed several major plot points with Baro-Dur and the Shadow Generators and G0t0.  Never even heard of the things until I have to roam around as that ball droid activating engines.  WTF? Whole ending felt rushed and rather anti-climatic.

Apparently I didn't do my dialogues right either as I never got any of my henchman to go jedi, nor did I get Atton to admit he was a jedi killing bastard, nor the whole Mandalore=Canderous thing.  I thought I had talked exhaustively to ever npc each time I was on my ship but apparently not nearly enought influence.  Maybe I need to play with more npcs in party as I usually just grabbed Kreia and the astromech droid.

Still, on the whole, fun game.  Redoing it as a dark jedi force bitch now.

Xilren

[Strazos]

Actually, it's not Bioware who did this one, some shop called Obsidian did it.  That might explain a bit of the "rehash" feel and the lockup bugs, etc.



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I think I missed the same part, Rasix.  It might be the one you can buy from droid part vendors.  I never found one that I could loot, and aside from a few doors I could never open, I think I looted everything on my first playthru.

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FYI, Obsidian ≈ Black Isle Studios, FTW

[Jacob0883]

Mandalore is Canderous... I missed that completely.  I do agree though, when Revan comes back it is going to be great.

[Strazos]

Wow really? I never used him, so I missed that too....

Oh well, I thought Canderous was a forgettable character anyway in KotOR. My parties for that game consisted of:

Light Side: Myself-Bastilla-Carth, Myself-Bastilla-Mission, Myself-Bastilla-Jolee

Dark Side: My evil chickie-Bastilla-HK47 (Ready to serve, Master.) [I just can resist pretending to come onto Bastilla all the time, heh].

KotORII:

Light Side: Myself (Sentinel/Watchman)-Kiera-Visas/Mira/Whoever they force me to use

Plus, seeing as weapon mods were so gimp in KotOR, canderous was nigh useless to me.

[Yegolev]

Some game titles make me wish I had an XBox.  Guess I'll be waiting for the PC version of this.

I am going to get the PC version even though I already have finished the Xbox version,  in the hope that some of the bugs have been fixed.  Yes, it is pretty good, but could have spent another couple of months in the oven.

[Yegolev]

I never did get Mira or Bao-dur to go Jedi.  Guess I just missed the boat with them.  And I didn't get Mandalore = Canderous until the end. I don't like missing out on semi-major plot points based on some conversation trees I seemed to be locked out of.

You will literally have to play the game three times to see everything.  Seriously.  Responses are different on the "legendary" third playthough.  Still working on #2 since my wife is now playing it all the time.

Also, the ending did stink.
"Ah crap, Lucass says we have to release for the holidays!  He needs a new barn to store his neck-fat!  We don't have an intro movie or an ending!"
"Let's use this promo trailer as the intro, and let's have Wrinkle Bitch do a deus-ex-machina."  Lame.

[Sky]

Can't be as bad as the ending of Half-Life 2. I just sat there as the credits rolled going "Really? That's it?"

[Yegolev]

To answer your question about NPCs becoming Jedi:

I did it with Atton and the Handmaiden. It is possible to do with Bara-dur and Mira as well.

Only Mandalore, the droids, and probably Hanharr cannot become Jedi.

Disciple makes a much better Soldier than Jedi.