Wish is cancelled

[Righ]

Please, Soukyan, put back your old avatar.  I always imagine you as that pretty, gentle looking woman.  She looks kind and thoughtful.  She suits your personality.

I'm feeling mushy.

Ok, thats certainly not what comes to mind when I think of Alizee.  Think more along the lines of France's answer to Britney, but better looking (and likely more talented).

Trivia: she's from Corsica, which despite being a department of France, is not in France, and is culturally very different. It's one of the most beautiful islands in the Med, and on my list of places I want to visit. Columbus was born in Corsica, as was Napolean. Paoli's constitution of Corsica had a profound effect on his friend Jefferson, and the US constitution owes much to him. This is one of the reasons there are so many historic towns called Paoli in the US.

Now you've learnt something, you can go back to thinking about Alizee:



Edit: found a linkable source for the pic that doesn't try and sell BJ images.

[WayAbvPar]

Just for the unwary- cutting and pasting the above url is most definitely NSFW! I am guessing Cum Fiesta will set off alarm bells in pretty much any work environment (other than the porn industry).

[Signe]

Hey!  I was born 2 miles from Paoli!  How exciting is that?

[Mesozoic]

honestly?

[schmoo]

According to the statistic thingy I just noticed on this site, this is the most-viewed topic:

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How exciting is THAT, Signe?

[Nebu]

According to the statistic thingy I just noticed on this site, this is the most-viewed topic:

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How exciting is THAT, Signe?

Is it ironic that if the game had garnered this kind of attention, then this thread may never have existed?

[schild]

According to the statistic thingy I just noticed on this site, this is the most-viewed topic:

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1   13796     Wish is cancelled

   
How exciting is THAT, Signe?

Is it ironic that if the game had garnered this kind of attention, then this thread may never have existed?

When trees fall in the woods, apparently everyone listens.

[Soukyan]

It's most viewed thanks to my lovely doll, Alizee. ;)

And it's Napoleon, damnit! Respect my favorite historical figure.

[Righ]

Napoleon,  Neapolitan. Bollocks.

[Margalis]

Now you've learnt something, you can go back to thinking about Alizee:

If only learning was always this fun.

[mysticriver]

I didn't notice a whole lot of females discussing this, and I can't say I could tell from reading the posts the ages of the people posting, so I will state from here I am a female of the over 28-32 group, I am a professional in my field (heavy equipment parts and research,) with an associate level education seeking a bachelors in History/Education.  I have done online gaming since 1997, and loved every minute.  I sold out of UO a few years back and took it up again with the AoS update.  Anyway, I did the Wish 2.0 Beta, and I really liked it.  I had to fuss with my video settings quite a bit, my computer being 8 months old, the card is a bit wimpy.  The user interface was not as simple as that in UO, although this is not an altogether bad thing, just different and requiring a bit of getting used to.  The crafting/resource gathering was a bit over-complicated, but it really did require some effort.  The graphics were fantastic!--out of this world graphics.  I especially liked the "city" of Talus.  The character creation was unreal--I was able to create a character that looked like ME, really did.  That was a trip!  

I guess my point here is that I am really disappointed.  So there were some bugs and some flukes.  So there were some things that had to be worked out, and room to improve things.  Big deal.  Fix what you can, improve where you can.  Shrug off the rest, you can't please everybody.  People were griping; begging pardon, but isn't that what a Beta is for?  We're supposed to let the developers know what needs fixing, or ways to improve it, right?  So, developers, you should have done what you could, ignored the jerks who were being hyper critical, and built the game.  You had a terrific thing going there.  I'm very sorry that it's over before it ever really got finished.  I game to escape the very pressing stressors of my very much to busy life.  I would have bought Wish when it came out, and paid the monthly subscription without blinking an eye.  Last weekend, I was pricing a new laptop with the kind of video card I would need to support the Wish graphics.  That's how much I liked it.  You threw away a gold mine. What a waste.

[stray]

...As if there weren't already enough reasons for this thread to hurt my eyes.

EDIT: thx

[schild]

...As if there weren't already enough reasons for this thread to hurt my eyes.

There. I removed the bold tag for you.

[Signe]

According to the statistic thingy I just noticed on this site, this is the most-viewed topic:

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1   13796     Wish is cancelled

   
How exciting is THAT, Signe?

It just makes me a wee bit sad.

And, yes... I was honestly born about two miles from Paoli... just not the one you guys are talking about.

[Xilren's Twin]

The graphics were fantastic!--out of this world graphics.  I especially liked the "city" of Talus.  The character creation was unreal--I was able to create a character that looked like ME, really did.  That was a trip!  

Sadly, the shiny wears off after about 2 days assuming this isn't your very first 3-d mmorpg.  If the only one you have experience in prior to Wish was UO, then your drooling over the pictures might be understandable.  That being said, gameplay > graphics.

I guess my point here is that I am really disappointed.  So there were some bugs and some flukes.  So there were some things that had to be worked out, and room to improve things.  Big deal.  Fix what you can, improve where you can.  Shrug off the rest, you can't please everybody.  People were griping; begging pardon, but isn't that what a Beta is for?  We're supposed to let the developers know what needs fixing, or ways to improve it, right?  So, developers, you should have done what you could, ignored the jerks who were being hyper critical, and built the game.  You had a terrific thing going there.  I'm very sorry that it's over before it ever really got finished.

Actually, by all reports this game was moving backwards developmentally, not forwards.  Besides, from the sound of things, a lot of the issue with the game should have been worked out back in alpha.  They supposedly did some major overhauls between beta1 and 2 but they apparently weren't nearly enough.

Let me ask you, what in your opinion, would the major selling point of Wish be compared to Wow, EQ2, SWG, EQ, CoH, FFO, etc tec.  It takes more than just a pretty game nowdays to make a dent in the market, so what was the hook?  Without one, they were doomed to be a repeat of Horizons...

Xilren

[Nebu]

Let me ask you, what in your opinion, would the major selling point of Wish be compared to Wow, EQ2, SWG, EQ, CoH, FFO, etc tec.  It takes more than just a pretty game nowdays to make a dent in the market, so what was the hook?  Without one, they were doomed to be a repeat of Horizons...

I know this was directed at someone else, but I'll give you my perceptions as a tester that started in early alpha and watched things progress. Their hooks (best I could surmise) were: a "seamless" single world that could accomodate 10's of thousands of players simultaneously and what MR called "live content".

Now the confusion here is that most people consider "live content" to be GM organized events.  Wish was attempting to take a different angle (at least this is how I understood it).  Their idea was to have an event team release random scripted events upon the world.  This could be in the form of large raiding monster spawns, world altering quests, etc.  From what I understand, it wasn't the type of event that we saw in AC or EQ where some guy pops in, reads a script, and spawns megafoozle_8934.  It was more the type that a raiding hoard of NPC's would be spawned and given AI to attack some given town/target/geographic area.  

Now, given that one of the things they were interested in doing was create an economy based upon player built/controlled towns, this is an interesting concept.  The problem for me was that the system hadn't even begun to be fleshed out, the combat was still terribly dull, and almost no economic issues had been addressed.  Couple this to a skill/use based advancement system and the game had a unique angle.  

The one thing that Wish was attempting to do was to create a semi-dynamic world in which large scale events would occur and include the participation of anyone from new player to advanced.  This was one benefit of their skill based system... given enough people, a crowd of newbies could actually assemble a decent little force.  

Given more fine tuning and direction, this title would have made a nice niche game for the UO/RP fan community.  I just don't think that MR found that to be a large enough market demographic to justify the cash it would have taken to really finish this game.  Of course, this speculation is entirely out of my ass.

[Soukyan]

Now the confusion here is that most people consider "live content" to be GM organized events.  Wish was attempting to take a different angle (at least this is how I understood it).  Their idea was to have an event team release random scripted events upon the world.  This could be in the form of large raiding monster spawns, world altering quests, etc.  From what I understand, it wasn't the type of event that we saw in AC or EQ where some guy pops in, reads a script, and spawns megafoozle_8934.  It was more the type that a raiding hoard of NPC's would be spawned and given AI to attack some given town/target/geographic area.  

While not wildly successful, Ryzom already does the AI driven "scripted" live content in the form of NPCs attacking towns, etc.

And Eve already did the 10s of thousands on a single server.

So really, they weren't bring new things to the table, per se.

[HaemishM]

Fix what you can, improve where you can.

When the things you need to fix involve tearing down the entire interface and game system and starting over AGAIN, for the third time, I don't think they were willing or able to do that. The game really needed to be rebuilt from the ground up.

As for the "live content" re: scripted events, the stuff Nebu talked about was the same stuff Horizons claimed to be offering when it removed PVP and changed the entire game. I think Horizons showed us that if your original design can't be done, changing it mid-stream isn't going to help it succeed. I'm also not entirely sure the Ultra MMOG 10k or more on a server was working right; almost every time I tried to login, the servers were down. Something was not right in Denmark... er, Alabama.

[schild]

Project Wish. I've never seen a canceled MMORPG with this kind of support.

To whom this may concern,

we are the administrators of the site projectwish.com and we are interested in learning what happened to the game, Wish. If you are not able to provide us with any information we understand, but we have a large community following that really loved your game and is dying to know what happened.
We would also like to know what is the possibility of it returning and if there is anything we as a community can do to help you.
Please, contact us either by email this email or call me (Mikhail:XXX.XXX.XXXX) we look forward to hearing from you.


Mikhail

Webmaster

Project Wish

I must have really, really missed something in that game.

[geldonyetich]

You know another game that had a "large community following"?

Dawn.

It seems a small legion of hardcore fanbois will congeal around just about anything.

[Velorath]

Hmmmm... Dawn, Wish, gratuitous shots of Alizee's ass, rabid fanbois, and f13's new game server...  I'm sure there's a good money making scam to be made out of all of this somewhere...

[MrHat]

It seems a small legion of hardcore fanbois will congeal around just about anything.

Perhaps an experiment is in order?  Anyone need a social-psych thesis?  April Tool's?

[Murgos]

I guess my point here is that I am really disappointed.  So there were some bugs and some flukes.  So there were some things that had to be worked out, and room to improve things.  Big deal.  Fix what you can, improve where you can.  Shrug off the rest, you can't please everybody.

At some point the people funding the project say, "Well how much work is it going to take to make this work?" and the engineer says, "Well it's like this, the spec has changed so many times in the last year that the assumptions we made when we initially coded the engine and client/server hierarchy aren't valid anymore.  We pretty much have to start from scratch."

And then they cancel the project.  The whining of fanbois is rarely in it; as ego bruising as that may be.

[HaemishM]

Hmmmm... Dawn, Wish, gratuitous shots of Alizee's ass, rabid fanbois, and f13's new game server...  I'm sure there's a good money making scam to be made out of all of this somewhere...

Well, we know it certainly won't involve an actual, released MMOG, now don't we?

[Kenrick]

Please to not get this thread off-topic.

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[Soukyan]

<3 Kenrick. I have those videos, but not at work. ;)

[Kenrick]

Good point... fiXx0red!

[HaemishM]

You are a man among men.

[Signe]

Damn.  I asked nicely if I could have their stuff, too!

[Soukyan]

Damn.  I asked nicely if I could have their stuff, too!

Wow. Quite the bargain there. Shall we all chip in and buy ourselves a nice rack. ;)

[Yegolev]

But when it comes to games that turn out to be hugely played only in separate instanced areas, ultimately, all that "massively" portion is just a hugely detailed (and hugely expensive) chat lobby.

I don't feel all that strongly about it quite honestly--I simply don't see it as a wise design decision if games are going to continue to become more and more targetted at 1-20 players in instanced dungeons. Now, assuming my understanding of their server model is even remotely accurate, it does sound like GW has a good design for what they want to provide.

i am excited about GW but of course i'm smart enough to see it for what it is: Diablo III, more or less.  long since tired of DII:LOD, i'm ready for the new shiny.  now you can craft in the chat lobby, whee!  i don't know how much of that i will do, have not bothered in any of the open weekends since E3, but it's a nice option, i guess.  the "outside town" areas are nicer, hooray!  is it fundamentally different from Diablo II?  not at the core.  but that's what i want.

for a real MOG, generally i like adventuring with a handful of people, but i do enjoy the random encounters and the busy community areas (unless they are high on lagahol).  the big-city aspect is great, but i need that balanced with some lost-in-the-woods time.  but like you said, i'm not incredibly passionate about either one.

[Signe]

Wow. Quite the bargain there. Shall we all chip in and buy ourselves a nice rack. ;)

You're trying to turn this back into a pervy thread, aren't you?

[Soukyan]

Wow. Quite the bargain there. Shall we all chip in and buy ourselves a nice rack. ;)

You're trying to turn this back into a pervy thread, aren't you?

*blush* Was I that obvious?