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June 27, 2025, 10:03:36 PM

we're back, baby

Damn, I was getting excited... it's the "disposable red" from UO all over again. ACK!

Actually, you can get a gank-ready setup in about 30 hours of training, but you couldn't solo with it.

We were getting ready to do a 3-4man disposable gank squad a few months ago, but we never got our shit together and actually did it. Also, remember that ganking down to no sec status and then deleting the character is a EULA violation, so if you're going to do it, use a new account and only use GTC's.

Hell, it might be even less than 30 hours, I think it may have been like 20. Wouldn't work on anything other than t1 haulers, and tanked ones *may* get away. Still though, if they're going to make sec status that big of a pain in the ass, it might be worth it.

Suiciding Finally Really Pays off, with Kisses from Bishes and Bounties

or

Slay is a Karmic Sword Ready to Slice Down Evildoers

NAME REMOVED > Ca'adwin Shiin, I applaud you.
NAME REMOVED > You just suicide ganked someone I absolutely hate.
Ca'adwin Shiin > hahah
NAME REMOVED > Congratulations.
NAME REMOVED > =)
Ca'adwin Shiin > i was expecting a much different convo
Ca'adwin Shiin > lol
NAME REMOVED > I was on the phone with my girl when it happened, had the pleasure of hearing him scream.
NAME REMOVED > Do you have the km? I would love to see it.
Ca'adwin Shiin > absolutely
Ca'adwin Shiin > http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3702
NAME REMOVED > =)
NAME REMOVED > one sec
NAME REMOVED > awesome
Ca'adwin Shiin > i must say, it was an AWESOME fit
NAME REMOVED > I applaud you.
NAME REMOVED > I will tell you a little about the guy you suicide ganked.
Ca'adwin Shiin > are you fucking with me right now? :)
NAME REMOVED 2 > omg, massive lolos
Ca'adwin Shiin > i'd love to hear it
NAME REMOVED > He is an asshole. Enjoys hurting women. ^^
NAME REMOVED 2 > --
Ca'adwin Shiin > best fuckin gank ever than!
NAME REMOVED 2 > vaga killed by manticore
NAME REMOVED > Ca'ad I do ask that this chatdoesn't leave this chat though
NAME REMOVED > If you convo said guy and tell him I applauded you, it'll cause grief for my girl.
NAME REMOVED > k man?
Ca'adwin Shiin > not a problem mate
Ca'adwin Shiin > na i dont rub in ganks anyways
Ca'adwin Shiin > if they bug me asking questions
Ca'adwin Shiin > i usually explain that they are idiots
NAME REMOVED > lol dude im so happy
Ca'adwin Shiin > and shouldnt haul 700 mil in an untanked T1 hauler
NAME REMOVED > I just paid you a bounty. Justfor that KM its lol's
Ca'adwin Shiin > lmao
Ca'adwin Shiin > you rock man
Ca'adwin Shiin > and its my pleasure to stick it to that kinda prick
NAME REMOVED > ypu are welcome to stay in the channel =)
NAME REMOVED > you*
Ca'adwin Shiin > i appreciate that ... i will bid you adiou though!
NAME REMOVED > Anyhow man just wanted to congratulate you.
Ca'adwin Shiin > You made my night man
NAME REMOVED > You made my night. Feel free to kill him again - and again.
NAME REMOVED > =)
Ca'adwin Shiin > hahahha
Ca'adwin Shiin > and a hint of advice
NAME REMOVED > ?
Ca'adwin Shiin > dont be a total fuckin noob like that douchebag
NAME REMOVED > If you stay in channel long enough, you'll meet my girl. And she's the one he abuses.
Ca'adwin Shiin > i might hang out for a few...hell i got a timer to wait off
Ca'adwin Shiin > LOL
NAME REMOVED > Oh hell no. Look in my corp history. I AM a ganker myself. A pirate. Lol. Just am +5 atm rebuilding.
Ca'adwin Shiin > funny how karma works sometimes eh?
NAME REMOVED > =)
Ca'adwin Shiin > nie :)
Ca'adwin Shiin > im actually borrowing this char from a friend
Ca'adwin Shiin > and paying him since he had 5.0 sec
NAME REMOVED > lol
Ca'adwin Shiin > my main is a real brutal sonofbitch :)
NAME REMOVED > haha
NAME REMOVED > whos your main?
Ca'adwin Shiin > i tried a freighter gank today with 10 other Battleships, but noone wandered into the trap
Ca'adwin Shiin > can't divolge that info my friend!
NAME REMOVED > aw why not?
Ca'adwin Shiin > you could, somehow be, that NAME REMOVED fool
Ca'adwin Shiin > planning an elaborate revenge plan!
NAME REMOVED > trust me im not
Ca'adwin Shiin > I wasn't born yesterday muahahah :)
NAME REMOVED > lol
Ca'adwin Shiin > Eve is a shitty dark place :)
Ca'adwin Shiin > na i believe y man
Ca'adwin Shiin > i find it incredibly awesome that one of my ganks brought joy for once
Ca'adwin Shiin > its usually just qq
NAME REMOVED > haha
NAME REMOVED > you made my night you did
Ca'adwin Shiin > as much as id like to log the convo for my friends, i respect your wishes
Ca'adwin Shiin > and will just paraphrase it
Ca'adwin Shiin > to be fair to him
NAME REMOVED > no names is all i ask
Ca'adwin Shiin > he got caught in my favorite trap
NAME REMOVED > and my girl says hi
NAME REMOVED 3 > wait? someone get davin?
NAME REMOVED > yes
NAME REMOVED 3 > WOOT!
Ca'adwin Shiin > tell her hello and it was my pleasure to help :)
NAME REMOVED > http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3702
NAME REMOVED > 700m worth of loses
Ca'adwin Shiin > the killmail is pure comedy gold too
NAME REMOVED > This Ca'adwin guy suicde ganked him!
NAME REMOVED > =)
NAME REMOVED 3 > AHAHHAHAHAHA
NAME REMOVED 3 > great job dude
NAME REMOVED 3 > gang him all you want
Ca'adwin Shiin > yes, it was beautifully executed if i do say so myself....and of course
Ca'adwin Shiin > I do!
NAME REMOVED > Stick around I am updating the DNote topic
NAME REMOVED 3 > just sent ya 10mil isk as a double bonus
Ca'adwin Shiin > hahahahah
Ca'adwin Shiin > you guys rock
NAME REMOVED 3 > ^^
Ca'adwin Shiin > ive had bigger ganks, but this is BY FAR my favorite ever
EVE System > Channel MOTD changed to "<color=0xffff0000>
<color=0xffff0000>Welcome to NAME REMOVED, the personal channel of <url=showinfo:1384//650662730>NAME REMOVED</url><color=0xffff0000> and <url=showinfo:1376//972045513>NAME REMOVED</url><color=0xffff0000>. This channel is also the official HTC channel. Expect a lot of trash-talking here. If you can't handle a little rough play, get the fuck out of my channel.
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<color=0xff007fff>*Bounties*
<url=showinfo:1378//666418503>NAME REMOVED</url><color=0xffffffff> - <color=0xff00ff00>$60,000,000.00-ISK
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<color=0xff007fff>To collect the bounties, a killmail and corpse *must* be provided. Please contract the corpse to NAME REMOVED (unless otherwise noted) in a system with a security status higher than 0.4! If you are in need of a tracking agent, please contact NAME REMOVED. I will run one for you. If you would like a bounty placed upon someone's head, please send NAME REMOVED an eve-mail. Send the bounty ISK to the <url=showinfo:2//154299180>Hoist The Colors.</url><color=0xff007fff> corporation with the description *Bounty On <Name>*
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<color=0xffff00ff>**NAME REMOVED IS BACK!**
<color=0xffff00ff>My baby has returned! However her PC in it's current form can't run all of her games anymore. This was caused by Name REMOVED (aka: asshole)! POD HIS ASS! Remember, there -IS- a sixty-million-bounty on his head!
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<color=0xffffff00>Davin got suicide-ganked by <url=showinfo:1380//576229028>Ca'adwin Shiin</url><color=0xffffff00>! This KM is epic fucking lawls!
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<url=http://http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3702>http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3702</url>" by NAME REMOVED
EVE System > Channel Password cleared by NAME REMOVED.
Ca'adwin Shiin > i seriously will gank that guy ANY time i see him
NAME REMOVED 3 > we would luv you if ya did
Ca'adwin Shiin > \o/
Ca'adwin Shiin > -o/
Ca'adwin Shiin > \o-
NAME REMOVED > Also keep an eye out for NAME REMOVED. Thats his other char.
NAME REMOVED 4 > MCC you wanker! say hello FFS!
NAME REMOVED 3 > mcc and suroc never talk anymore. i think they are playing hide the pole with each other.
NAME REMOVED > lol
Ca'adwin Shiin > grabbing a celebratory beer brb
NAME REMOVED 3 > hehe
Ca'adwin Shiin > oh ill get DUDE now :)
Ca'adwin Shiin > am i eligible? :)
NAME REMOVED > yes
Ca'adwin Shiin > fuck i woulda popped him had i know :)
Ca'adwin Shiin > er podded
NAME REMOVED > lol
Ca'adwin Shiin > i sometimes wonder if my characters have huge bounties
NAME REMOVED > lol
Ca'adwin Shiin > i have brutalized some guys....and occasionally i feel bad about it
Ca'adwin Shiin > but then i remind myself....they are idiots and I am strong
Ca'adwin Shiin > LOL
NAME REMOVED > lol
Ca'adwin Shiin > ok afk fitting next death machine
NAME REMOVED > Well I commend you on this. You made my night. I overheard him screaming on the phone. Was laughing my ass off.
NAME REMOVED > Way to go buddy. Way to go.
Ca'adwin Shiin > thats so awesome
NAME REMOVED > brb
NAME REMOVED > Ca'dwin, my girl is signing on. Will be here shortly. =)
HIS GIRL > Hi guys
OTHER DUDE > hello
Ca'adwin Shiin > hiya GIRL!
HIS GIRL > /emote gets on her tiptoes and gives ca'adwin a kiss "thank you sweetie"
OTHER DUDE 2 > o7
Ca'adwin Shiin > Somehow in all the bad I've done to these dumb pilots, I finally did a little piece of good for a lady
HIS GIRL > thats on the cheek
Ca'adwin Shiin > :) lol
HIS GIRL > thank you
OTHER DUDE 2 > hello GIRL
HIS GIRL > hehe and for your friends you can say you got a kiss from a giel player
HIS GIRL > Seth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HIS GIRL > hey sweeti
Ca'adwin Shiin > oh they know im basically a playboy :P
HIS GIRL > i am surprised to see you here
HIS GIRL > heheh
SOME DUDE > right back atcha
SOME DUDE > yeah, I saw you log on and figured it would be rude if I didnt pop in
HIS GIRL > seth sweetie did you see what ca'adwin did
Ca'adwin Shiin > I am glad to help out, thanks again for clueing me in on the kill - made my night and glad to have made yours
Some Dude > not real sure
HIS GIRL> heh if that don't warn him aq invitation to ---- i don't know what does
Some Dude > what are you talking about?
HIS GIRL > hehe well ca'ad
Ca'adwin Shiin > i hope i see his other char now!
HIS GIRL > i am sure if you need a new corp i could get you in one the great ones
NAME REMOVED > gl ca'ad. =)
Some dude > --- is a much different group than it was when you were here
Some dude > so what did ca'ad do?
HIS GIRL > ca'ad just shot down DICKFACE my abuisive ex
Ca'adwin Shiin > http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3702

1) Who transports stuff in an unfitted Iteron fucking TWO? I can understand that you don't want to train for heavy industrials (or whatever they were called), but warp stabs, nanos and armor plates are a must.
2) Who gets their jollies like that over having someone's ex killed in a game?

"never has a suicide ganker felt more love".

It went kind of Jerry Springer there for a while hehe, I think as someone who partakes in the business of ganking I can see how this was a bit of change from the smacktalking retard you endure cause you're bored. Sounded like fun bro

Why is GIRL supposedly still living with her abusive ex, while chatting to her new boy over a 3D chatroom with spaceships?

Yeah some of the shit boggled my mind, it was just the opposite experience I am used to after ganking someone. They actually paid me bounties and took me in to their little intarweb chat room!

Yeah, that started out cool but got creepy pretty quick.

You might have been better off leaving at "Ca'adwin Shiin > i appreciate that ... i will bid you adiou though!"

Quote from: Jayce on August 10, 2008, 10:13:04 AM

Yeah, that started out cool but got creepy pretty quick.

You might have been better off leaving at "Ca'adwin Shiin > i appreciate that ... i will bid you adiou though!"

haha yeah, i shoulda went with my gut on that one :)

Quote from: Nerf on August 09, 2008, 07:14:43 PM

Yeh that sounds like a good idea just figure out a way so it doesn't bash EULA, maybe don't delete the character just create three on the same account then ditch it, you could train up 2-3 thorax pilots who could gank a T1 in a few days or less.

Actually, as far as noob ganking goes, you want to use caracals.

And yeah, 3 per account and then throw it away wouldn't technically violate the EULA, but I'd still use GTCs.

Quote from: Nerf on August 10, 2008, 08:16:41 PM

And yeah, 3 per account and then throw it away wouldn't technically violate the EULA, but I'd still use GTCs.

Giving the money or loot to a main without violating said EULA might be a problem though.

Let's face it. If you have to go that close to the edge just to avoid a violation of the EULA you're exploiting and when enough people do it that way ganking will be nerfed again. And deservedly so.

Quote from: eldaec on August 06, 2008, 12:09:10 AM

I'm intrigued, how many people here have been accidentally CONCORDEKKENed in a t1 ship more than once or twice?

Once was enough for me. That was also the day that I learned all about the aggression timer, too. I don't have a problem with removing insurance payouts when this happens. Builds character.

Necro!

Would it be a (borderline) exploit if you had a buddy sit right next to your suicide ganker in a gank frig?
The frig would fire at the ganker the instance it flashed red, rain high ROF pain upon the criminal and perhaps, eventually, steal the KM from Concord and possibly get around the no-insurance-payout this way?

Quote from: Pax on September 02, 2008, 02:42:25 AM

OMG thats genius!

It's certainly an idea that was kicked around on gf.com for a bit. The general feeling was that, since attempting to avoid concording is a bannable offence, it's not worth risking two accounts over. It certainly won't be something you'll get away with after the first few days at best.

Way too much effort in that plan anyway, and yet another account needed.

I will personally just get ratting, on my other characters while the current suicider waits for something juicy. Now looking like 500 mil or more.

Ah well, it was a good run!

I don't see how it would work the frig would go pop and then concord would move on to you ? Also isn't it the case Concord don't arrive anymore it's the faction police?

Could someone please distill the patch notes into some kind of useful form? Aside from the changes to concord response time, all I got out of it were minor overview and bug fixes. Did they alternate any other sort of gameplay?

Quote from: Amarr HM on September 02, 2008, 10:33:59 AM

I don't see how it would work the frig would go pop and then concord would move on to you ? Also isn't it the case Concord don't arrive anymore it's the faction police?

If CONCORD kills you, no insurance. If your disposable frigate pal kills you, insurance.

I guess that would depend on how it determines whether you were concorded or not. If CONCORD gets any credit, that may be good enough to disqualify you.

Quote from: Phildo on September 02, 2008, 11:02:30 AM

I went cross-eyed trying to read it all. I didn't see anything really interesting except that ECM works on drones now.

It's an interesting theory but it might matter who gets the final blow. So yeh needs to be tested on SISI, if it works I don't think it would be against EULA because you aren't avoiding Concord just avoiding not getting insurance payout and that would be hard for anyone to detect if it was considered an exploit.

Actually there's a few interesting changes in the new patch nothing groundbreaking, I skimmed through it myself here's the ones I noticed.

* Jump cloning to a clone in the same station in which you are currently docked will now be possible due an improvement in the Jump Clone mechanism. The new change means that implants will no longer be destroyed.
* Changes have been made to the Tabbed Overview and Bracket settings that allow for easy loading of pre-saved settings.
* The station services panel is now able to be moved when docked in a station. Previously the panel was fixed, but now you can move it around, resize it, pin it and minimize it.

Quote from: Amarr HM on September 02, 2008, 12:13:49 PM

The final blow thing is why the high ROF was mentioned. And it would absolutely be avoiding the consequences of Concord if one of those consequences was supposed to be no insurance payout. Finally, it would be pretty obvious what was happening, and everyone would catch on in a few days and petition even when it didn't happen, just in case. The logs would show it clearly.

The 'no insurance payouts after you get killed by concord' thing isn't included in this patch btw.

Quote from: lac on September 02, 2008, 01:44:46 PM

The 'no insurance payouts after you get killed by concord' thing isn't included in this patch btw.

Nice observation. That's interesting.

However, if it were there, it seems like the right design is to check the killmail for CONCORD. If it's in there, you were concorded, no payout. Who got the killing blow is dangerously random. Your victim could be firing back and mistakenly set you up with 30 mil in insurance money for his trouble. For that matter, the gate guns could get the final blow.

Quote from: lac on September 02, 2008, 01:44:46 PM

The 'no insurance payouts after you get killed by concord' thing isn't included in this patch btw.

It's one of their long-term ideas. I don't think it was expected.

Quote from: Endie on September 02, 2008, 01:43:11 PM

Quote from: Amarr HM on September 02, 2008, 12:13:49 PM

Yeh I got that but ROF isn't gonna stop ur frig being instapopped. Basically your frig will be long dead before either ganker or hauler gets popped so its an erroneous argument hence why I didn't take it into account in the first place.

Quote from: Amarr HM on September 02, 2008, 02:23:28 PM

Quote from: Endie on September 02, 2008, 01:43:11 PM

Quote from: Amarr HM on September 02, 2008, 12:13:49 PM

But the original idea there also said to wait until the ganker turned flashing red.

Even that isn't needed, so long as the "executioner" is in the same corp.

Ah ok didn't read it properly apologies, yes it might work a certain amount of time but I'd imagine difficult to steal the KM to justify using a fourth account but yes a good idea.