Is Eve Really that Good?

[Nerf]

I'm with you Hoax, I've had more fun and far more kills in a battlecruiser than I ever did in my 200M+ Vagas.

Then again, I never could break a 1:1 K/D with BCs..fucking concord.

[Slayerik]

Concord is OP for sure man.

Any guesses on how many Brutixes I have gotten blown up by them in the last 6 months? :)

[Goumindong]

If you want to find out whether or not Eve is for you. Join a corp. Eve is a game of self actualization. You will have nothing unless you go out and learn what needs to be done, then do it. There are no goals to achieve but your own, no grind to complete except the one to get your character to the point where you can accomplish your goals. Eve is a Sandbox, not a roller-coaster, castles aren't built if you are only along for the ride.

Figure out why you want to play, join a corporation that does that type of stuff, and then go do it. If you don't you will get bored and quit.

It looks like you are interested in PvP. Join a corp that does PvP, start playing with them, learn the ropes(hopefully) and see how you like it. If you like it, think about what you liked doing and then train accordingly. If you like the fact that your side won even if you died, train ewar skills, especially ECM. If you liked being on top of killmails, train tech 2 guns and larger ships. If you like making sure enemies didn't get a way, or setting up your gang to get the kills train towards minmatar recons and interceptors. If the fights weren't large enough for you, look towards a 0.0 group. If the fights were too large, consider a non-spacing holding corp or empire war dec corp or pirate corp.

Once you have done that and are confident in your ability to play and in your wish to continue, then think about buying a character that does what you want. There is nothing wrong with this. Alternately if you do not mind being laughed at, potentially ostracized, and don't care whether or not its worth the investment then buy a character right away.

The minimum time i would say it would take to get competent if you were playing a lot and had knowledgeable support would be about 2 months with a solid understanding of the rules around 1-2 months in. Keep in mind that no matter how fast you learn and progress in your ability to play the game, you will constantly be learning new things as new facets of the game are made public to you and as changes are made or discovered.

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A good way to gauge what you are likely to do and so should pursue would be to ask yourself what did you do in AC and UO when you played. Not what did you want to do, but what did you actually do. Did you kill people to see how good you were? Did you kill people to see how bad they were? Did you kill people at all? Did you grind to make sure you were the highest level with the best gear? Did you make stuff? Did you play to be with your friends?

Once you answer that question you will have your answer of what you need to do to make Eve worthwhile, then all you have to do is go do that.

[Amarr HM]

Wise words.

[Predator Irl]

Wise words.

Wise words that have fallen on deaf ears... I don't think Arnie has been back to read his own thread 

[Amarr HM]

Totally agreed Pred but the thread still lives though Arnold is back playing UO. He is now merely that "Inner Noob" in everyone.

[Prospero]

Are there any videos of combat once it gets cool? The tutorial bored me senseless. I never really got a sense of what I was going to be doing once I was all grown up. I get the sense there is a ton of depth to the combat, but they don't do a very good job of showing it.

[Endie]

There are some videos of one of our frigate club ops kicking around - the trip to Delve - but I don't know if that would be exciting or confusing or boring to the outsider...

[ajax34i]

Two things stuck with me from the frigate ops:

1.  The awesome sound of about 30 frigates (all of us) uncloaking after having just jumped through a gate in unison, to go hunt for targets.
2.  From entering the system to catching a target, less than 20 seconds.

I don't know if PVP is "cool"; the mecanics of fighting, taken by themselves, are boring.  Like sex ed... explained.  When you're in it, though, about to lose your ship or win, it's exciting.

[Goumindong]

Are there any videos of combat once it gets cool? The tutorial bored me senseless. I never really got a sense of what I was going to be doing once I was all grown up. I get the sense there is a ton of depth to the combat, but they don't do a very good job of showing it.

There are plenty, but its going to be had to see the depth of the combat. All of that is fairly esoteric.

The best ones that i like are two by kil2. Who flies various battleships and battlecruisers pretty well. Most of it is pretty standard combat when one guy knows what he is doing and another doesn't. But some of it is pretty spectacular. Armageddon has a clip where he solos an Astarte in a Harbinger while the Astarte has a vagabond friend nearby. And Genesis has a lot of cool fights as well.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/dancetroll/ARMAGEDDON.mkv
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/dancetroll/GENESIS60.mkv

The third is a film some guy in TFC made of a fight around the RIT triangle when RISE was dying.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ArtCor/ritualite.avi

Which is a damn amazing vid made at a time when the overviews were just getting fixed to be reasonable but you still couldn't remove all the brackets. For those who haven't played. All the squares with orange signs next to them are hostiles. All the x's with oranges signs next to them are hostile drones. If the box is flashing orange the target is targeting you, it its flashing red you are being shot at. Purple indicates gang members. Nothing indicates friendlies in the case(goonswarm). White triangles are wrecks from your alliance. Yellow triangles wrecks from someone elses alliance(so Goon or Rise in this case). Drones that aren't moving were likely owned by a destroyed ship.

Unfortunately i don't have any video from the m-m fight or the fights in BWF because those are both tactically interesting from where I was sitting as well as interesting because its always fun to watch a whole bunch of guys get slaughtered mercilessly

[Phildo]

It's unfortunate that combat in this game doesn't tend to look very impressive, but I kind of like this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6iZUh8ewNtY

[sanctuary]

The problem with most Eve videos is trying work out the big picture. That is, what's happening? why? working out why someone is primary and the icons at the top of the overview are bloody small when looking at a video. It's hard to work out ship types.

The video that Endie mentioned, I really liked. One because of the F13 attachment but more importantly the author had edited in the vent chat so it was much easier to work out why things were happening, who was primary. The scottish accent helped. 

[dwindlehop]

Most videos I have seen are solo, and most Eve fights are not. Voice chat is such a huge part of Eve combat that any depiction of Eve combat without it automatically fails.

That said, here's some of my writeups of PvP fights: 

Yarr! - First pitiful attempts at solo piracy
0.0 fights - flying with Queens of the Stone Age and RIOT
UGH - some of my adventures as part of Uninvited Guests

If you only read one, you should probably read Fear is the mind killer.

[Amarr HM]

Amarr, you're delusional if you actually think that char is worth a damn as anything but a nice starting point, didn't we go over this already?

Shitty shit gun skills, missile skills, etc, etc.   It's got nice learning skills and cruiser/bs 5 is great, but that char is still a long ways from being worth a damn.

Took me two months to get him good but got a pretty good price...

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=836557&page=1