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Title: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on November 29, 2006, 09:27:32 AM
From Newsarama: (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=92508)

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For years, fans have been saying that if Garth Ennis and Steve Dillion’s Preacher were to come to any screen, only HBO could do it justice.

Apparently, DC, Vertigo, Ennis, Dillion and whatever gods watch over Time Warner agree.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Preacher will launch on HBO as a series, adapted by Mark Steven Johnson (Ghost Rider, Daredevil) and directed by Howard Deutch. Johnson and Deutch will executive produce along with Michael De Luca, George Agusto, Chris Bender and JC Spink.

From HR:

Preacher, which ran from 1995-2000, told the story of a down-and-out Texas preacher possessed by Genesis, a supernatural entity conceived by the unnatural coupling of an angel and a demon. Given immense powers, the preacher teamed with an old girlfriend and a hard-drinking Irish vampire and set out on a journey across America to find God -- who apparently had abandoned his duties in heaven -- and hold him accountable for his negligence.

The series was created by Irish-born writer Garth Ennis and British artist Steve Dillon, who will serve as co-executive producers. Ken F. Levin, who reps the duo, also will serve as co-exec producer.

The series -- which developed a rabid fan base -- was known for tackling religious and political issues, its dark and violent sense of humor and its observations of American culture. It also was one of the series that helped define Vertigo, the adult-oriented line of comics from DC Comics.

There have been several attempts to bring the comic to the screen, whether big or small, but nothing stuck. A movie version, to have been produced by Kevin Smith's View Askew, among others, got to the casting stage, with James Marsden attached for the title role and a reported budget of $25 million.

The project reunites Johnson with Deutch; Johnson wrote "Grumpier Old Men," which Deutch directed. Deutch's directing credits include TV's "Gleason," the pilot for "Melrose Place" and the 1986 film "Pretty in Pink." He is repped by ICM.

Johnson is repped by CAA.

Though the series ended in 2000, after 66 issues, Preacher has consistently been one of DC/Vertigo's best-selling trade collections through both the comic and bookstore market, with each of the nine volumes seeing multiple printings. Like many other Vertigo properties, Ennis and Dillion have a creator participation deal with Preacher, which allows them to continually receive a portion of the revenue generated by the trades and other rights to the property.

While no start date was given, or cast announced, the bar has obviously been set very high for the adaptation of the property, given the reputation of HBO's original series. Given the content of Preacher and the buttons a loyal adaptation of the comic series will push, the network is clearly looking at one of its most controversial series to date.

Ok, so far the main downside I'm seeing is that it's being adapted by the guy that did the Daredevil and Ghost Rider movies.  Of course we haven't seen Ghost Rider yet, but I'm not holding out a lot of hope for that one based on the trailers.  HBO does have a reputation for doing quality shows though, and while I don't have a pressing need to see every good comic property turned into live action, there's a chance this could end up being pretty good.  Of course, as is the way with TV, if it does end up being really good it probably won't find an audience and will get canceled part way through.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HaemishM on November 29, 2006, 09:42:46 AM
No, it's HBO, which means it will get shitcanned 3/4 of the way through the story.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on November 29, 2006, 11:45:56 AM
Fuck that cynicism Haem. Your answer should be:

YES!!!!

:hulk_rock: :rock: :rock_hard:


Also, Jared Harris for Cassidy please.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HaemishM on November 29, 2006, 01:43:18 PM
Oh, I'm stoked about them doing the series. I just want to be sure they'll do the whole series, and not half-ass around and leave the viewers in a lurch. See Carnivale, Deadwood for an idea.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: tazelbain on November 29, 2006, 01:45:27 PM
So you think we'll see a Nazi dominatrix on HBO?


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Llava on November 29, 2006, 02:00:51 PM
James Marsden needs to change his friggin' name.  Every time I see it I think "Spike?  Oh, wait, no, Cyclops."


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on November 29, 2006, 05:06:37 PM
Eh, I knew his name was being thrown around for that failed movie project, but I hope it isn't him in this HBO series. That guy has zero charisma.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on November 29, 2006, 06:38:30 PM
Eh, I knew his name was being thrown around for that failed movie project, but I hope it isn't him in this HBO series. That guy has zero charisma.

That did make him the perfect choice for Cyclops though.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Ironwood on November 30, 2006, 12:46:26 AM
 :rimshot:


I also fall into the 'Spike from Buffy' trap with his name.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HaemishM on November 30, 2006, 07:29:13 AM
Don't start dissing Cyclops, goddamnit. He's always been my favorite X-Man and the most tragically underused or badly written. He's got tons more depth than "I'm da best der is at what I do" Wolverine douchebag cuntwhistle.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on November 30, 2006, 09:31:11 AM
Don't start dissing Cyclops, goddamnit. He's always been my favorite X-Man and the most tragically underused or badly written. He's got tons more depth than "I'm da best der is at what I do" Wolverine douchebag cuntwhistle.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cyclops dies at the end of the current Astonishing X-men run (they've hinted that someone is going to).


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HaemishM on November 30, 2006, 11:28:36 AM
That would be... unwise.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Lantyssa on November 30, 2006, 12:26:09 PM
Haemish's proclivities aside, it would be one of the few times masses of people bought an X-book for Cyclops.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on November 30, 2006, 06:14:35 PM
That would be... unwise.

He's lost his trademark visor making his look a bit less iconic, his character is dead in the movies so there's no cross-marketing purposes to keeping him alive, and a heroic death on an alien planet would be an interesting parallel to Jean's death.  It would also be a resolution of sorts to his character arc the past couple issues about being more or less an ineffective leader who was only given the job because the Prof. thought he would wash out of the X-men otherwise.  Colossus' death would be anti-climatic, and while Emma's death might work as a way of showing her redemption, I think there's more of a payoff in having her lead the X-men after Scott dies than there would be in another of Scott's women dying, with very little impact on the X-men as a whole.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: schild on November 30, 2006, 11:34:31 PM
Cyclops has sucked since day 1. I'd buy multiple copies of the first XMen book where he's officially dead. Not the one where he dies though, that might make me look like I support him.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on December 01, 2006, 12:05:41 AM
Getting back to Preacher, all I know is that they need to get Clancy Brown to play Hugo Root.  I'm sure there'll be plenty of suggestions on the internet for who gets to play Arseface.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HaemishM on December 01, 2006, 07:15:42 AM
They kill Cyclops, the X-men will be officially dead to me. I accepted it in the movies, but he is the heart and soul of the comics. Of course, killing him would fit with their current tactic of emasculating, discrediting then removing all the remnants of the original X-Men. They've de-powered Xavier and made him a pedophiliac Jean Grey-loving secret-keeping baby-killer, they've killed Jean Grey more times than I can count, they've made the Beast into a kitty cat who stays in the lab more than he goes out on missions and also pretends he's gay to piss off his ex-girlfriend, Iceman got de-powered by his own psychosis and is still unable to turn human again, and Angel hasn't been right since they made him blue then un-blued him.

Of course, editorial control on that line has been fucking awful for years, even during the best run of the series (Morrison's run), so why not just totally remove all the past underpinnings of the series and create more shitty books about 198 uninteresting mutant characters.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on December 01, 2006, 07:33:40 AM
I don't hate Cyclops really, but heart and soul of the comics? Umm.....Nah. That'd be Xavier and Magneto.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HaemishM on December 01, 2006, 07:50:03 AM
Xavier and Magneto are the patriarchal archetypes of the series. They are now completely removed from any relevance, as both are powerless.

Cyclops was the heart and soul. He bled for the love of his life who died, was reborn and died again. He's been listless ever since. The writers, not even Whedon, have had no clue what to do with him. Morrison was the only one who gave him any kind of a chance, with the psychic affair with Emma Frost, and the writers since have done nothing with that. He's been the most limp-dicked character in the X-Men since then, a complete cuckold. The current X-Men books have gotten good again because they've both gone away from the things that have been weighing the series down, which is that the writers have no idea what to do with the legacy characters like Cyclops and are stuck with shittastic barnacles like the Sentinels hanging around outside and the 198. I suspect it's because they don't like the old characters. Wolverine has been forced down their throats and people try to make him the heart and soul but with him being in 2 of his own books AND Avengers, it's impossible to make him a significant part. So the books have had no heart and unchangeable characters.

Fuck it, they might as well just kill Cyclops so someone with talent and respect for the history can bring him back in 2 years.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Lantyssa on December 01, 2006, 12:39:06 PM
Of course, editorial control on that line has been fucking awful for years, even during the best run of the series (Morrison's run), so why not just totally remove all the past underpinnings of the series and create more shitty books about 198 uninteresting mutant characters.
197 after Cyclops bites it. :-D


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on December 02, 2006, 12:09:50 AM
From an interview with Mark Steven Johnson (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_d4j_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=845&Itemid=28)

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Q: Did the research you did for this kind of prep you for Preacher?

MSJ: Preacher I have always wanted to do. Preacher is like, you know, it's the greatest but it's so difficult. And I love it more than anybody and I remember reading a script a while ago it was gonna go to film and I was like, oh, how do you make a two hour movie from Preacher? You can't do it. So, when I went into HBO I said very simply, here's the comic, there's seventy-five issues plus the four issue Saint of Killers, every issue in an hour. It's a six year show. And HBO, God bless them, went, cool!

Q: So are you staying pretty loyal to the whole storyline?

MSJ: No, not loyal, exact. So it's like, we had our first meeting the other day, I kept waiting for them to go, we're not doing this! (laughing) It's like, I want Odin Quincannon having sex with a meat person. (laughing) If I can do that, I've made my mark on the world. Everything is just like so out there, this is it. They're like, fuckin' HBO's got balls, they were like, yeah bring it! Do it! So, I'm like, it's just like Daredevil, it's just like Ghost Rider, no one comes to your door and says, hey, you want to do these movies? I'm the last guy. But I'm the guy that gets it done because I care and because I do it. People have tried to make Daredevil, they've tried to make Ghost Rider, it hasn't happened, but I got it made. And Daredevil with mixed results, with Ghost Rider I hope much better. The Preacher I hope exact. Like today, I emailed Kevin Smith, I was like, Dude, I just got Preacher, I know you love it, if it goes, and who knows if it will, but if it goes would you please direct an episode. Because I want to go to Kevin, I want to go to Robert Rodriguez, I want to go to all these people and do guest directors. That would be really cool. I want it to be a prestige thing, you love Preacher? Come do a show. Usually it's a guest actor, I want it to be guest director. But keep the spirit of it, keep the vibe of it but also know, there will be a different imprint everytime who comes to direct the show. My job is to help write the show, I am working with Garth [Ennis] everyday, he's a big part of it, make sure it's exactly what we want and let the director put his imprint on it. But it's gotta be a book.

Q: Do you know where you are shooting or anything?

MSJ: I haven't even written it yet. My meeting was yesterday. Again, who knows what will happen. I hope that it will go. They've been trying to make Preacher, like Daredevil and Ghost Rider, for years and years and years.

Q: As the series kicks in, is Garth going to be there everyday if he wants to be?

MSJ: If he wants to be absolutely. My first meeting was yesterday, and Garth is in New York so he was on speaker phone and like all meetings when there's one person on the speaker phone you all go and stare at the speaker phone. But it was so great to talk to him and ask him questions, and as it always happens, with the creators, they're like, don't be beholden to the source material, I just did that cause, A, B, or C. They were like, do whatever you want. I was like, no, no, no, it's gotta be exactly that. So he's the one going, use your own thing. But, with Garth's help, I said to Garth, also tell me are there any stories you wanted to tell but weren't able to. Was there something that you wanted to do but didn't have time, I want to hear that too! We want to fill it out, we want to make it, a six year show, or above with a definite ending the way it does which is obviously, incredibly controversial. Again, nobody would have the balls to do this but HBO.

Q: Do you think it will be harder or easier to do it so exactly unlike Ghost Rider where you could play with it, open it up and pick and choose what you like?

MSJ: Right, no, no, no, no, Ghost Rider is, came in and out of circulation for years because it had flaws. Again the image was great the idea was great adn so my goal was to find out what were the strengths and then what could I bring to it? Like I said, the bounty hunter was my idea. I think it's a good idea, it helps the whole thing be stronger. And the creators and the comic people said, great! We want to do that! Preacher doens't need that. Preacher's perfect in my opinion. All the things that made people go, no it's not for me, make me go, yeah! That's what I am so excited about.

Sounds like he at least wants to do it right.  Six seasons though seems a little ambitious.  It would have other than Sopranos, Oz, and Sex and the City, I can't think of any HBO series that has lasted that long.  With hour long episodes though, I'm sure they'll find once they get going that theres plenty of issues they can condense.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Margalis on December 03, 2006, 02:21:58 AM
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It would also be a resolution of sorts to his character arc the past couple issues about being more or less an ineffective leader who was only given the job because the Prof. thought he would wash out of the X-men otherwise.  Colossus' death would be anti-climatic,

Isn't that the exact same character arc he had when he lost leadership of the X-Men to a powerless Storm? (Uncanny 201 I believe) And didn't Colossus just die a couple of years ago?

Comics, gotta love em.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Big Gulp on December 03, 2006, 02:42:35 AM
Fuck that cynicism Haem. Your answer should be:

YES!!!!

No.  As much as I've been ragging on Haem lately he's right on this count.  HBO will run the first season, hedge it's bets on season 2 (ala Rome and Carnivale) and shitcan season 3.  Forget ever actually completing the story, because any sci-fi/fantasy series on HBO is doomed to an early death.

Oh, and if they do go ahead with this I hope they exorcise the annoying Bill Hicks/Pogues fanboidom from the comics.  Bill Hicks I emphatically don't think was a comic genius, and although I love the Pogues, there was never any reason to highlight them as much as they did in the comics.  It was rather sad and pathetic.  God help me, if I ever write a comic it'll be to tell a story, not to masturbate over what my cultural influences are.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Big Gulp on December 03, 2006, 02:46:43 AM
but he is the heart and soul of the comics.

Speaking only from the late 70's/late 80's of the X-Men comics, the heart and soul of the team were either Colossus or Nightcrawler.  Whatever they've done since then doesn't matter.  I'm locked into my late teenager phase of comic books, and I'll be damned if you dislodge me.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on December 03, 2006, 04:46:33 AM
because any sci-fi/fantasy series on HBO is doomed to an early death.

I'm not sure what the basis is in that. I don't think they've had one before.

Rome and Deadwood were great (and the little I've seen of Carnivale), but c'mon.....Historical dramas, westerns, and shows about turn of the century freaks just aren't all the rage these days. Historical drama is the only one that has a chance at wide popularity, but if movies are indication, it has to be more action than drama (compare, say, the popularity of Gladiator with Elizabeth).

It's sad, I know, but many people generally do not give a shit about Julius Caesar or Wild Bill. Ask them. Especially women.

And either way, none of those indicate that people wouldn't warm up to Preacher (or sci fi in general). One is not the other. Sci fi is widely popular. Sci fi (especially the down to earth, comic absurdity of Preacher) is a better bet than any of those other shows.

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Oh, and if they do go ahead with this I hope they exorcise the annoying Bill Hicks/Pogues fanboidom from the comics.  Bill Hicks I emphatically don't think was a comic genius, and although I love the Pogues, there was never any reason to highlight them as much as they did in the comics.  It was rather sad and pathetic.  God help me, if I ever write a comic it'll be to tell a story, not to masturbate over what my cultural influences are.

I'll agree there.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Miasma on December 03, 2006, 08:24:04 AM
HBO at least gives shows a couple seasons to die, if it were on Fox you could go from one week to the next wondering if it will be off the air.

I've never read the Preacher, what would the setting for the show be?  If it is modern day then it might have a shot of a long run even if the ratings aren't so good like The Wire.  The reason HBO had to cancel Carnival and Rome is because, due to their settings, they are fantastically expensive to shoot.  They will never make their money back from subscriptions or DVD sales for marginally popular period pieces like that.  If The Preacher can be shot in a city with a few trips out to a field or desert it will be fine.  I assume it would need some CGI and I don't know how HBO would do that, I can't think of a series that has ever needed it so they could screw it up pretty good.  Like when they made Tony Soprano's mother talk using CGI because the actress had passed away *shudder*.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on December 03, 2006, 11:06:01 AM
If The Preacher can be shot in a city with a few trips out to a field or desert it will be fine.


Most of it is urban or Texas desert.

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I assume it would need some CGI and I don't know how HBO would do that, I can't think of a series that has ever needed it so they could screw it up pretty good.  Like when they made Tony Soprano's mother talk using CGI because the actress had passed away *shudder*.

There are moments of angelic and demonic activity, but the gags wouldn't need any more CGI (or even traditional special effects) than a Heroes or X-Files episode.



Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Teleku on December 03, 2006, 06:25:57 PM
Don't start dissing Cyclops, goddamnit. He's always been my favorite X-Man and the most tragically underused or badly written. He's got tons more depth than "I'm da best der is at what I do" Wolverine douchebag cuntwhistle.
Hey, I completly agree with you here.  Good to hear somebody else feel this way as well.

Now I can say to others that there is at least 1 other person in the entire world who agrees with me!


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Llava on December 03, 2006, 07:17:15 PM
I like Cyclops too.

He's one of those characters who is great in concept but suffers from almost perpetually bad writing.


................................................like Venom.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on December 03, 2006, 07:20:08 PM
He's one of those characters who is great in concept but suffers from almost perpetually bad writing.


................................................like Venom.

More like Iron Man or *gasp* Superman.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HaemishM on December 04, 2006, 09:52:02 AM
Why does Mark Steven Johnson sound like he's hopped up on goofballs and bathtub liquor while doing that interview? I have much less faith in it. And if HBO did not put in the contract that they will absolutely pay to make every episode he wants in the 5 or 6 year arc, he's huffing paint. The worst part about their treatment of esoteric subjects like Carnivale is that they really aren't beholden to ratings. The only thing I can really see giving them hitches on greenlighting new seasons of shows like that are DVD sales.

I just don't see HBO giving the guy who directed a mediocre Daredevil movie a 6-year commitment on a show where Jesus is supposed to have married and produced a lineage of masturbating retards.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Llava on December 05, 2006, 10:41:33 AM
a lineage of masturbating retards.

Doesn't that include pretty much everyone?


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HaemishM on December 05, 2006, 11:39:19 AM
FAP FAP FAP FAP DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on December 06, 2006, 12:00:28 PM
And there's a longer interview here. (http://www.newsarama.com/movies/Preacher/MSJPreacher.html)

On the plus side, at least he's keeping in contact with Ennis quite a bit.  On the minus side, he keeps bringing up how enthusiastic HBO is about doing this series.  Of course they're enthusiastic right now, the problems come after the show has started and HBO starts to weigh how much they spend per episode vs. how popular the show is.  That and the problems that will come up when HBO decides they need to cut some stuff that was in the comics (and they will).

Oh well, regardless of how it turns out, I'll always have the comics.  HBO charges an arm and a leg for their DVD boxed sets anyway.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Evil Elvis on December 08, 2006, 10:21:19 PM
I don't agree with the HBO hate.

 I liked the first season of Carnivale, but it did drag on, and I could see how it wouldn't be a popular show.  They still gave it a second chance.  The first few episodes that season were terrific, then ho-hum, then outright shit.  The last three episodes make me wish I had never decided to give the show a try.

Deadwood started adding more new characters than interesting plot lines.  Loved the show, wish they kept it, but at least it went out while it was still good.

Rome might be in my top 3 favorite series, but it can't go on forever.  Rome tells a bigger story from the vantage point of two soldiers.  Do you really want to see Pullo and Verenus when they're sixty?  Do most viewers care about the roman emperors they've never heard of?  it probably could have gone a third season (to really tell all of Octavian's/Antony's stories), but that's about it.

No one would have done these shows if HBO hadn't.


Oh, and Preacher is a pretty good comic, but it's not Transmetropolitan or anything.  Of course it's very character oriented, too, but I can't help but be disappointed with it due to how they handled the religious aspects.  The vanity of God is a nice twist, but God's a pussy outside heaven, and he's scarred shitless of a one-trick pony who can't even find him?  Okay then. 

Although, "Need more gun" might be the single best line ever printed on a comic page.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on December 08, 2006, 10:26:28 PM
Oh, and Preacher is a pretty good comic, but it's not Transmetropolitan or anything.  Of course it's very character oriented, too, but I can't help but be disappointed with it due to how they handled the religious aspects.  The vanity of God is a nice twist, but God's a pussy outside heaven, and he's scarred shitless of a one-trick pony who can't even find him?  Okay then. 

Although, "Need more gun" might be the single best line ever printed on a comic page.

Jesse wasn't really a one trick pony. Genesis had the equal power of God. In essence, God was afraid of himself. Or his equal. Either/or.

I hated the ending though. Thought it was a cheap glorification of the Saint's "Bad Ass" archetype. And blasphemous just for the sake of it (as opposed to blasphemous in more creative ways....as the rest of comic was done. Heh).


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on December 08, 2006, 10:32:47 PM
I hated the ending though. Thought it was a cheap glorification of the Saint's "Bad Ass" archetype. And blasphemous just for the sake of it (as opposed to blasphemous in more creative ways....as the rest of comic was done. Heh).

I disagree.  I don't think it was a glorification of the Saint's "Bad Ass" archetype.  God went out of his way to fuck over the Saint to create a hate-filled killing machine, and in the end that's what got him killed.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on December 08, 2006, 10:41:35 PM
Well, as you know, I am a "preacher" myself. Clouds my judgment a bit. I don't think "God" should be taken out like that :wink:

I forgot about that detail though. But either way, it just seemed juvenile. You can't deny Ennis is an Irishman in love with America...And especially the whole cowboy thing. He elevated cowboys to God status. Even if you include that plot detail, I think that was still his intent.

I live in San Antonio (where that final faceoff between Jesse and the Saint took place). It's not as cool as he thinks it is.

[edit] I think you're just pointing out the Saint's motivation. Ennis' motivation is in those last few panels. They speak volumes (where Jesse is riding off with Tulip, talking about his "career".....And then the last page of the Saint).


Anyways, I still like Preacher. Don't get me wrong, or think I'm causing a fuss. I hope no one gets on my case for analyzing too much. It's literature. It's meant to be analyzed (but of course, enjoyed as well).


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on December 08, 2006, 11:05:23 PM
Well, as you know, I am a "preacher" myself. Clouds my judgment a bit. I don't think "God" should be taken out like that :wink:

I forgot about that detail though. But either way, it just seemed juvenile. You can't deny Ennis is an Irishman in love with America...And especially the whole cowboy thing. He elevated cowboys to God status. Even if you include that plot detail, I think that was still his intent.

I live in San Antonio (where that final faceoff between Jesse and the Saint took place). It's not as cool as he thinks it is.

[edit] I think you're just pointing out the Saint's motivation. Ennis' motivation is in those last few panels. They speak volumes (where Jesse is riding off with Tulip, talking about his "career".....And then the last page of the Saint).

Ennis always said that he was telling a modern day Western (his inspiration for the Saint came from Unforgiven).  Sure God was taken out pretty easily, but it's God.  Anyway you kill him it's going to seem like a letdown.  Probably was best just to make it simple.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: schild on December 26, 2006, 12:48:06 PM
Looks like HBO ordered 60 episodes. Or rather, wants 60 episodes so it's just like the comic book. Seems they only ordered a seasons worth or so though. Wouldn't be surprise if they option the whole thing before the run starts though.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on December 26, 2006, 01:20:50 PM
Man, that's great. Even I, as a fan, would almost say 60 episodes is excessive. You could probably tell the whole thing in 45 (maybe three seasons worth), and still make it good.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Azazel on February 04, 2007, 12:46:43 PM
Oh, and if they do go ahead with this I hope they exorcise the annoying Bill Hicks/Pogues fanboidom from the comics.  Bill Hicks I emphatically don't think was a comic genius, and although I love the Pogues, there was never any reason to highlight them as much as they did in the comics.  It was rather sad and pathetic.  God help me, if I ever write a comic it'll be to tell a story, not to masturbate over what my cultural influences are.

Sounds good. Remind me when you manage to write and have published something as good as Preacher and I'll check it out.



Speaking only from the late 70's/late 80's of the X-Men comics, the heart and soul of the team were either Colossus or Nightcrawler.  Whatever they've done since then doesn't matter.  I'm locked into my late teenager phase of comic books, and I'll be damned if you dislodge me.

And yeah, I'll agree with you on that. Revitalised X-Men with interesting and likable characters before it got all fucktarded and I stopped reading.



Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Tannhauser on May 04, 2007, 09:22:37 PM
Don't start dissing Cyclops, goddamnit. He's always been my favorite X-Man and the most tragically underused or badly written. He's got tons more depth than "I'm da best der is at what I do" Wolverine douchebag cuntwhistle.

Wow, thought I was the only Cyke fan!  Always loved his inner turmoil, natural leadership and of course his kick ass power.  I was VERY disappointed they killed him off in XMen 3.  NO other character is the purest XMan.  He was with the first team and with the second. 


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: NowhereMan on May 05, 2007, 07:58:16 AM
I'm not a huge Cyclops fan but I've also never understood the hate people seem to have for him. Killing him of in Xmen 3 also pissed me off a lot, none of the other characters pulled off leadership like he did and frankly it seemed to have a negative impact on the idea of the Xmen as a team rather than a gang of mutants running around smacking people up.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stu on August 26, 2008, 03:51:29 PM
It arose from the Necroverse-verse-verse!!!


Preacher series dead at HBO (http://www.beyondhollywood.com/garth-ennis-preacher-tv-show-dead-at-hbo/)

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Johnson tells Comic Continuum as such:

“We were budgeting and everything and it was getting really close to going,” Johnson told The Continuum. “But the new head of HBO felt it was just too dark and too violent and too controversial. Which, of course, is kind of the point!

“It was a very faithful adaptation of the first few books, nearly word for word. They offered me the chance to redevelop it but I refused. I’ve learned my lesson on that front and I won’t do it again. So I’m afraid it’s dead at HBO.

“I’ve heard someone is in the process of getting the rights to turn it into a feature film. I hope that happens. But I hope it happens as a series of movies as one movie couldn’t do it justice. I really love that story and I dedicated a lot of my time to honor Garth’s work. But it wasn’t meant to be.”

I'm actually kinda relieved. Mark Steven Johnson isn't exactly my favorite guy for any project.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Samwise on August 26, 2008, 04:06:09 PM
I should be surprised, but sadly I'm not.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on August 26, 2008, 05:57:57 PM
I'm disappointed that it was too controversial for them -- I know there are plenty of indies who wouldn't shy away from the content, but HBO are the only ones who had the right balance of cash and open-mindedness to do it justice. Unfortunately, something got the better of them.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HaemishM on August 27, 2008, 08:04:01 AM
HBO... the network that brought us Deadwood thought Preacher was too dark? What kind of fucking retards do they have running things over there now?

Of course, I wouldn't give Mark Steven Johnson ten cents to watch an outhouse after Ghost Rider, but still.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HAMMER FRENZY on August 28, 2008, 06:27:30 AM
Yeah, this is awesome. Too good to be true.. hahah Since we can't do this, how about a Transmetropolitan HBO series?
On the cyclops thing. He has never been a character I liked. I enjoy drawing him, but only after I played X-Men V Street, Marvel vs Cap. etc. Really no one has ever done that character justice except Capcom.

"If he dies, he dies..."
                                - Ivan Drago


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Bunk on August 28, 2008, 08:23:57 AM
HBO... the network that brought us Deadwood thought Preacher was too dark? What kind of fucking retards do they have running things over there now?


I'm not sure that even HBO would be up for depicting a guy ripping off his own penis and fucking himself up the ass with it.

That being said, I'm glad to hear it was shitcanned rather than being "revised".


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on August 28, 2008, 01:01:30 PM
HBO... the network that brought us Deadwood thought Preacher was too dark? What kind of fucking retards do they have running things over there now?


I'm not sure that even HBO would be up for depicting a guy ripping off his own penis and fucking himself up the ass with it.

That being said, I'm glad to hear it was shitcanned rather than being "revised".

To be fair, the comic didn't really depict it either.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Velorath on November 02, 2008, 11:18:30 PM
Preacher has now been picked up by Columbia Pictures (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3ia758ca52fdc0aac4698b23b4c5a8da7c).  Sam Mendes (director of the upcoming Revolutionary Road) is attached to direct (for now).


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on November 03, 2008, 08:04:00 AM
Well, hopefully he doesn't try to condense 50 issues (or whatever it was) into one pic. I could see it being slimmed to two at the very least..


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: HaemishM on November 03, 2008, 11:21:49 AM
At least it's not the director of Ghost Rider.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Samwise on November 03, 2008, 11:26:31 AM
Preacher would have been great as a miniseries, but as a feature film it's going to be very rushed.  My guess is they just cut out all the backstory and subplots that made the comic  :drill:.


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: stray on November 03, 2008, 11:38:07 AM
As much as I didn't like Jarhead, he actually did cram a lot of shit in it.. American Beauty is a dense movie as well. Road to Perdition was a great adaptation too. Maybe the guy is right/good at compacting substance in err.. short "symbolic" moments (for lack of a better term).


Title: Re: Preacher to be done as HBO series
Post by: Samwise on November 03, 2008, 12:06:37 PM
Difference is each of those movies had what, one or two characters that we got to know in depth, and a few relatively minor supporting characters? 

Preacher has three main protagonists (Jesse, Tulip, Cassidy), each with lengthy backstories that are unfolded over the course of the comics (and in many cases you don't really "get" why the character acts the way they do until you've gotten some of their backstory).  It's got maybe three main antagonists (Starr, Grandma, and God), plus a whole crew of secondary antagonists that actually get reasonably well developed themselves (Jodie, Featherstone, the Saint).  And that's not counting all the side bits like Arseface, the Grail politics, Salvation, Les Enfants du Sang, et cetera.

Of course, a lot of that stuff can (and almost certainly will) get cut from the movie to fit it into two hours.  But I'm not sure if they can do that and retain what made Preacher great.  The well-developed characters and the intertwining stories are what I loved most about that series.