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Title: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Yoru on May 28, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
Better late than never (http://www.f13.net/index.php?itemid=140), eh?


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Strazos on May 28, 2006, 11:10:48 PM
I'm still not convinced this is better than Romans in Space.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Flood on May 29, 2006, 01:54:34 AM
Eh I'm torn between AoC and Warhammer as the much hoped for WoWKiller. (Or WoW1.5 or...something)  If asked to pick a pony right now I'd back AoC, but your siren's song of "meaningful PvP" has me interested.

Good article also.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Righ on May 29, 2006, 04:46:51 AM
So... Warhammer Online is to DAOC as WoW is to EQ? Shit, if they can pull that off, they may actually have a major game. On the other hand, it took a company known for, erm, embracing and extending others' game concepts to build EQ++ so I'm skeptical of an IP owner actually improving their own product. The track record's not exactly good in this market.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Xanthippe on May 29, 2006, 07:22:31 AM
I think I'm falling back in love again.

I really want to sometimes be able to grow daisies, and shaving the beard of the bad guy sounds like kinky fun.

I'm preordering.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: squirrel on May 29, 2006, 09:19:42 AM
A better DAoC than DAoC sounds good to me. And any MMOG with shaving as an end game goal is worthy of checking out.

But...

(http://www.f13.net/gallery/warhammer/slides/WAR_DarkElf.jpg)

Le sigh...jiggly bits indeed....


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Soln on May 29, 2006, 11:16:17 AM
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We were told you could expect to meaningfully participate in RvR within two to three hours of character creation. Moreover, you can advance to the maximum rank with just RvR.

Sold.  Now, just deliver and you have my money.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Signe on May 29, 2006, 11:47:59 AM
Yes, I've been chatting to Xanthi and Righ, and as nice as ATitD might be, we are definitely needing stuff to kill.  Anything you can kill in ATitD is totally unsatisfying.  Not even a meaty crunch or a bleat from a sheep.   :?  This sounds like it could be it.. if, like Son said, they can deliver.  HURRY!  I'm beginning to walk like an Egyptian!!! 


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Bunk on May 29, 2006, 12:38:14 PM


Le sigh...jiggly bits indeed....

Sorry squirrel, but the jiggly bits have been ingrained in to Warhammer lore since long before the days of WoW. I still think its going to be funny to see how they try to PG13ize some of the lore that the Warhammer world is built around.



Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Megrim on May 29, 2006, 06:12:03 PM
A better DAoC than DAoC sounds good to me. And any MMOG with shaving as an end game goal is worthy of checking out.

But...

boobies

Le sigh...jiggly bits indeed....


The first thing that came to mind was just how impractical that sword-thing is.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Righ on May 29, 2006, 07:27:10 PM
The first thing that came to mind was just how impractical that sword-thing is.

You're a bit of a train-spotter type, aren't you?


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Megrim on May 29, 2006, 08:03:16 PM
lol, i had to google that one.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: squirrel on May 29, 2006, 11:28:56 PM

Sorry squirrel, but the jiggly bits have been ingrained in to Warhammer lore since long before the days of WoW. I still think its going to be funny to see how they try to PG13ize some of the lore that the Warhammer world is built around.


Oh I know. And in the right context Im a HUGE fan of Jiggly Bits. Even in MMORPG's - for instance robe wearing finger wigglers can look like that. But someone with a sword/dagger/whatever. Le sigh. That particular pic is really silly imo.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Soukyan on May 30, 2006, 04:54:36 AM
Nice write-up, Llava. Mythic should maybe hire you to do some pre-release marketing because you definitely got my attention and made me want to give Mythic another chance (I, too, am a disgruntled former DAoC subscriber). If Mythic and Funcom do things right, Conan and Warhammer could be two killer MMOGs. Here's hoping...

I do feel bad for the dev team having their head shots dumped into the press kit. Recognition is nice surely, but I didn't need to see the geek squad while browsing screenshots for their game.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Modern Angel on May 30, 2006, 06:07:38 AM

Sorry squirrel, but the jiggly bits have been ingrained in to Warhammer lore since long before the days of WoW. I still think its going to be funny to see how they try to PG13ize some of the lore that the Warhammer world is built around.


Oh I know. And in the right context Im a HUGE fan of Jiggly Bits. Even in MMORPG's - for instance robe wearing finger wigglers can look like that. But someone with a sword/dagger/whatever. Le sigh. That particular pic is really silly imo.

It's a Witch Elf. Naked brides of Khaine, Lord of Murder. They bath in blood and rip heads off before fucking the skulls. It's either that or naked.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Riggswolfe on May 30, 2006, 06:14:47 AM
I love the Warhammer mythos and if they do it justice this could potentially be the game to cause me to leave WoW. Especially if all that "your character changes as he grows in power" stuff happens.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Megrim on May 30, 2006, 06:37:17 AM

Sorry squirrel, but the jiggly bits have been ingrained in to Warhammer lore since long before the days of WoW. I still think its going to be funny to see how they try to PG13ize some of the lore that the Warhammer world is built around.


Oh I know. And in the right context Im a HUGE fan of Jiggly Bits. Even in MMORPG's - for instance robe wearing finger wigglers can look like that. But someone with a sword/dagger/whatever. Le sigh. That particular pic is really silly imo.

It's a Witch Elf. Naked brides of Khaine, Lord of Murder. They bath in blood and rip heads off before fucking the skulls. It's either that or naked.


How, praytell, do the Witch Elves fuck skulls? Do they use strap-ons? Sort of defeats the purpose does it not?

I guess what i really mean to say is; there is more to character development for the Evil Elfs, right?


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: tazelbain on May 30, 2006, 06:48:25 AM
It's not fan service, it's in the lore!


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Modern Angel on May 30, 2006, 09:03:06 AM
Fucking skulls is a trade secret amongst the betrothed of Khaine. I'll ask my wife how she does it right before our nudist SCA meeting.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Righ on May 30, 2006, 10:01:53 AM
How, praytell, do the Witch Elves fuck skulls?

Clearly they have birthing hips.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: WayAbvPar on May 30, 2006, 01:17:12 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed the writeup! Good work.

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Anyways, they listened and learned. We were told you could expect to meaningfully participate in RvR within two to three hours of character creation. Moreover, you can advance to the maximum rank with just RvR.

That very well may have sold me. Color me suddenly interested.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Fargull on May 30, 2006, 02:16:19 PM
Llava,

Great write-up.  One of the things that has turned on the great light switch for me was the mention in the You-Tube vid of the frothing dev guy was the fact that X players working on a quest for their side (to kill the squigg things) would net a benefit for everyone working on the goal and then advance the next bit to keep it rolling for everyone involved.  The ability to provide group level immersion without actually requiring everyone to be grouped is a great peice of work.  I like that thought process.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Yoru on May 30, 2006, 02:32:00 PM
That's their Public Quest system, which is apparently deployed both for PVP and PVE. Basically, when you enter an area with a public quest, you're automagically considered 'on that quest' for the duration of your stay. If people contribute to the quest's completion (the one demonstrated to us involved bringing items to an NPC), then everyone in the area (or everyone who contributed; not clear which - fuzzy memory) gets a reward.

A lot of these quests apparently are 'tiered', so after the basic reward is distributed, a 'second part' of the quest is opened and another goal is placed out for that area, leading to another reward if that's completed. The quests reset after a period of time, although I'm not certain whether the quest has to be completed for it to reset, if it will simply reset after some period of inactivity, or via some other method.

It sounded like a neat little addition that I'm sure a lot of other Classes/Levels/Groups/Quests-archetype MMOs will pick up.

My opinion on the game right now is that I'm eager to try the beta when it comes out, which is about as high as an MMO can score these days.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Riggswolfe on May 31, 2006, 06:14:06 AM
So are we looking at early 2007 for a beta?



Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Arthur_Parker on June 01, 2006, 12:20:37 AM
According to these comments (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/article/war-news/joshua-drescher-dev-quotes-somethingaweful.html) also from the FAQ it's before the end of this year.

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Regarding the Battler, don't rely too heavily on the models you saw in the demos in terms of what to expect from the final design. They were chosen mostly for aesthetic reasons and aren't intended to represent exactly what you'll see when we launch (or even when we go into beta later this year). The class-limiting for Greenskins is mostly designed to allow us to use both Orcs and Gobbos without having ridiculous stuff like a goblin Warboss running around as a powerful melee character.

...

Finally, we're relying on an extensive, year+ long beta, coupled with everything (good, bad and otherwise) that we've learned from Camelot.

Also from the FAQ (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/community/faq/faq.php)

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Q: Betaaaaaaaaaaa. *drools* Where is the beta sign up!

A: There will be contests, sign up forms, guild betas, and more. Starting (for the most part) this summer. Watch the newsletter and the websites for more information.

Yes, I said guild beta. I'll be putting that together and taking applications late this summer. Guilds will be judged based on how active your members are in your current game or forum (NOT number of members), the length of time you've been together, your website, and more. We'll want a mix of guild types, of course, so my best advice for potential guilds is to be who you are with as much style as possible.

If there's enough interest here we should try for the guild Beta.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: stray on June 01, 2006, 12:45:10 AM
If there's enough interest here we should try for the guild Beta.

What he said..


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Cyrrex on June 01, 2006, 02:08:43 AM
The elf witchy thingy looks like she has a shattered left hip...it looks as if the bone is about to break through the skin.  Maybe that is how the skull-fucking happens?  Seems rather impractical.

Nice write-up guys...the front page has really gotten good lately.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Righ on June 01, 2006, 03:23:37 AM
If there's enough interest here we should try for the guild Beta.

What he said..

How long has our guild been together, and how active are we in our current game?


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: stray on June 01, 2006, 03:52:13 AM
Oh, I don't know.... How long has this site been up? 2 1/2 years?

Lets just call it a guild.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: schild on June 01, 2006, 03:56:13 AM
Bat Country? What when who where? Wha? Ok. I suppose. What, about 100 people in Eve? All but one active? Good enough.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Yegolev on June 01, 2006, 07:48:04 AM
Yeah really, counting the members of the two corporations we have in EVE, and the more-than-none people that are running two accounts there, this group should be a shoo-in.  You might also show them the three or four wingnuts we have playing UO, but that could go either way, I guess.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: tazelbain on June 01, 2006, 07:58:21 AM
If I want to go anywhere in a game as a guild, I won't expect to do it with you guys.  Too much Videogame ADD around here. Eve is an abhoration due to a lack of AAA titles being release in a year and a half.  Undoubtly I will join and feel like an idiot when you guys stop playing.



Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: stray on June 01, 2006, 08:14:29 AM
Too much Videogame ADD around here.

You say it like it's our fault or something.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: tazelbain on June 01, 2006, 08:25:29 AM
No ones fault.  It just isn't an enviroment to make a strong guild. I hope you guys prove me wrong.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: stray on June 01, 2006, 08:30:26 AM
I hope you guys prove me wrong.

And I hope someone eventually releases a good MMO.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Yegolev on June 01, 2006, 09:21:44 AM
The two EVE corps aren't going anywhere anytime soon.  A lot of that has to do with the design of EVE as a game, allowing all of us to "be competitive" without weekly schedules and raids and whatnot.  Hell, I'm basically playing a pure crafter in an open-PVP full-item-loss MOG.  That's dedication right there.  Anyway, the point here is that if anyone wants to try to get into WAR beta, we can probably swing it.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: tazelbain on June 01, 2006, 10:28:15 AM
> Anyway, the point here is that if anyone wants to try to get into WAR beta, we can probably swing it.
Well sign me up.  I'll really even test if they want me to.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Llava on June 01, 2006, 11:35:46 AM
Thanks for all the compliments.  I tried to inject a lot of funny, but in the end wasn't sure if I was just being irritating.  Either way, you guys seemed to enjoy it.

Yoru- I'm disappointed you haven't breathed a word about the "aggressive" remark.  Did it pass you by?

Regarding Mythic paying me to do some pre-release marketing:
Hell yes I'll sell out.  I am right here.  I'll say that the game made me conceive a virgin birth if they'll pay me to say it.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Yoru on June 01, 2006, 11:56:55 AM
Thanks for all the compliments.  I tried to inject a lot of funny, but in the end wasn't sure if I was just being irritating.  Either way, you guys seemed to enjoy it.

Yoru- I'm disappointed you haven't breathed a word about the "aggressive" remark.  Did it pass you by?

Regarding Mythic paying me to do some pre-release marketing:
Hell yes I'll sell out.  I am right here.  I'll say that the game made me conceive a virgin birth if they'll pay me to say it.

No, it didn't. I snickered. Same with the bit about the tie.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Cheddar on June 01, 2006, 03:01:34 PM
Yeah really, counting the members of the two corporations we have in EVE, and the more-than-none people that are running two accounts there, this group should be a shoo-in.  You might also show them the three or four wingnuts we have playing UO, but that could go either way, I guess.

I would drop UO faster then I dropped your mom if this became reality.   :heart:


edit.  I forgot compliments to you guys for a good review.  Seriously, the hard work on the front page is working!  I check it out every few days now!


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Signe on June 01, 2006, 03:24:29 PM
You always make me laugh, Llava, even when you don't say anything. 


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Llava on June 01, 2006, 04:01:04 PM
You always make me laugh, Llava, even when you don't say anything. 

Thanks.  I have lots of friends.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Cheddar on June 01, 2006, 04:03:07 PM
You always make me laugh, Llava, even when you don't say anything. 

I prefer your other avatar.  FEET!!!


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Johny Cee on June 01, 2006, 06:54:35 PM
There ARE quite a few of us that still play DAoC off and on, I think, for the RvR.

The actual dynamics of big fights in DAoC are pretty good.  Someone here said,  and I find it very true,  that you play DAoC for that 10 or 15 minute completely serendipitous fight that makes weeks of playtime worthwhile. (Want to attribute it to Nebu or Eldaec)

DAoC is the golf of MMOs....   Long periods of idle time for that sweet and very short payoff.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Signe on June 01, 2006, 10:13:53 PM
I'd rather be called Monkey Girl than Feet.  The feet are gone for good!


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Llava on June 02, 2006, 12:39:27 AM
There ARE quite a few of us that still play DAoC off and on, I think, for the RvR.

The actual dynamics of big fights in DAoC are pretty good.  Someone here said,  and I find it very true,  that you play DAoC for that 10 or 15 minute completely serendipitous fight that makes weeks of playtime worthwhile. (Want to attribute it to Nebu or Eldaec)

DAoC is the golf of MMOs....   Long periods of idle time for that sweet and very short payoff.

That's why I'm hopeful for this game.

I want the RvR without the DAoC.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: bhodi on June 02, 2006, 07:19:48 AM
I'd rather be called Monkey Girl than Feet.  The feet are gone for good!

Sorry feet, you'll always be feet to me!

(Unless you want to put a hot avatar back up.. and I don't mean muscle girl or scary bunny)


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: bhodi on June 02, 2006, 07:43:54 AM
(http://forums.f13.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1703;type=avatar)

Nicely done. I consider myself owned.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Cheddar on June 02, 2006, 09:07:37 AM
Does this mean we call her hands now?


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: shiznitz on June 02, 2006, 09:47:38 AM
Does this mean we call her hands now?

Fingers. Or even better, The Finger.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Bunk on June 02, 2006, 10:28:05 AM
Does this mean we call her hands now?

Fingers. Or even better, The Finger.

Perhaps that would be [Fing-Ghay]


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: garthilk on July 26, 2006, 02:51:22 PM
A few more bits (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/article/war-news/phases-of-war-beta.html) about Beta.

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Alpha: What we are in now. I made the grievous error of calling it a very early beta, for which I am terminally sorry. I will regret that until I die. Alpha does not have anyone playing who does not draw a paycheck from Mythic.

Double Secret Beta: What we will be in "Soon, TM." That is just beyond alpha, and includes people who draw paychecks from Mythic and our partners. Summer 2006

First Stage of Closed Beta (Beta 1): Sometimes called "Friends and Family," somewhat inaccurately, this is a stage where there is actually a game, but it is not usually very complete or even stable for that matter. People who don't work here are in this stage, but usually fewer than a hundred, and they are nearly all such old, old friends that they are often mistaken for employees. Fall 2006

Beta 1.7: After Things Stop Going Boom Every Day: This is the stage you'll start seeing community testers. People who have tested for Mythic for years, or have been otherwise recommended to us as quality volunteer testers, are starting to be included. There is usually a restriction on how many people get in at this point, and often perfectly wonderful people are left out. TENTATIVE DATE: Early 2007

Beta 2: Still closed and covered under NDA, invitees include prize winners, guilds that win the guild contest, and some members of the print and web media - usually the ones we have relationships with. People who work at GW retail shops are getting in here, and we've got some plans for existing Dark Age of Camelot players to be invited to check out their new sibling. There will be up to a thousand people by the end of Beta 2. TENTATIVE DATE: Early Spring 2007

Beta 3: Closed, NDA. This is where Lady Luck will wave her wand. We will be choosing randomly from the giant pool of people who are subscribed to our newsletter. This phase will have thousands of people invited, possibly as many as ten thousand. TENTATIVE DATE: Summer 2007

Final Beta: No NDA. Because there is no NDA, people often refer to this as "open beta." But I wanted to be really clear with you guys - we are not planning the kind of open beta where everyone with internet access can download the game and hop in. That's nutty. Right now, we are tentatively considering having everyone who pre-orders the game invited to this phase of beta. This phase will also invite winners from our big media promotions. TENTATIVE DATE: Summer 2007



Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Calantus on September 23, 2006, 04:39:38 AM
EDIT: Argh, posting in an archive. I need to sleep more.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Llava on September 23, 2006, 10:19:48 AM
I'm curious what you had to say.


Title: Re: Llava and Yoru Investigate Warhammer Online
Post by: Calantus on September 23, 2006, 01:09:27 PM
Nothing special, like I implied I was pretty tired (and still haven't remedied that, /sigh). Basically I said that the reason I personally usually did not bother with F13 guilds in games is because I tend to be pretty hardcore and so gravitate to guilds built around powergaming catass achievers like myself instead of the more relaxed and casual pace of batcountry. It's different in Eve because I intend to just putz around and do whatever I feel like here and there, basically how I invision F13 corp members will be playing Eve. There's also the time barrier. Since I'm Australian any group-based game would be hard for me to play with you guys since I tend to start playing as you guys are logging off for the night. Then I said that wouldn't stop me from using you guys for a beta invite. :P

I also commented on how I liked the writeup, even though on reflection I had read it when it first came up. :roll: