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Title: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Arthur_Parker on May 10, 2006, 02:50:12 PM
Linky (http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34542)

Quote
Turbine Adds New Solo Content To Dungeons & Dragons Online™: Stormreach™

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Turbine, Inc. announced today plans for a range of expanded player features and content, including more solo-friendly game play, to be included in the second content module for DUNGEONS & DRAGONS ONLINE™: Stormreach™ (DDO), the hit game that has quickly become one of the fastest-growing MMOGs (massively multiplayer online games) in North America.

Free to all current DUNGEONS & DRAGONS ONLINE™ subscribers, the Twilight Forge module is slated for release in July and will include the new drow race, new content for players of all levels, an improved new player experience, and enhanced replayability. Following on the heels of the successful retail launch with over 300,000 units sold worldwide, the Twilight Forge module is the second in a series of planned updates that will provide new content and features for DDO.

Read the full press release on ddo.com!

300,000 units sold is pretty good, I think the solo content is the right move but July seems a long time to wait.

EDIT: You can den this if you like, Mesozoic has a thread going here (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=6909.0)


Title: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Mesozoic on May 10, 2006, 02:51:42 PM
http://www.ddo.com/index.php?page_id=20&pagebuilder[module]=article&pagebuilder[display_item]=412

This is going to be a fun ride.  Solo content is nice, but with no additional levels coming in it seems like a short-term solution.  PvP ought to be...interesting, depending on if its just dueling (which no one will play after a week) and how Turbine responds to the inevitable "ZOMG [class X] sucks vs [class Y]!" threads.

And 300k sold?  What is that, 30-50,000 subs?  Ouch.

EDIT: Link is ugly due to url but seems to work.

Edit by Trippy: fixed link use

Code:
[url]blah[/url]

instead of

Code:
[url="blah"]blah[/url]

And yes "[]" are not legal URL characters -- whoever wrote that CMS software should be shot.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: stray on May 10, 2006, 02:55:59 PM
PvP as an afterthought is usually (always?) lackluster at best.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: slog on May 10, 2006, 03:03:03 PM
Where is Broughden the Turbine Stalker?  Shouldn'd he be replying that it's a complete lie?



Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Mesozoic on May 10, 2006, 03:06:09 PM
Where is Broughden the Turbine Stalker?  Shouldn'd he be replying that it's a complete lie?

Changing his IP address, probably.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: CmdrSlack on May 10, 2006, 03:52:43 PM
I don't think PVP is coming with this module, just "in a future module."  The same sentence about the coming PvP also mentions a future level cap increase. 

Here's a link that works.....if you cut and paste it.  I have no clue why they have those friggin brackets in the URL.

http://www.ddo.com/index.php?page_id=20&pagebuilder[module]=article&pagebuilder[display_item]=412


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Calandryll on May 10, 2006, 03:55:02 PM
I don't think PVP is coming with this module, just "in a future module."  The same sentence about the coming PvP also mentions a future level cap increase. 

Here's a link that works.....if you cut and paste it.  I have no clue why they have those friggin brackets in the URL.

http://www.ddo.com/index.php?page_id=20&pagebuilder[module]=article&pagebuilder[display_item]=412
Correct. PvP is not in module 2.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: shiznitz on May 10, 2006, 03:55:56 PM
Drow? Solo content? When is the CEO's mom going to be put on the block?


Title: Re: DDO to add Solo content + Drow
Post by: shiznitz on May 10, 2006, 04:00:44 PM
Drow were tiresomely predictable. The solo content just screams "uh oh" to me.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: tazelbain on May 10, 2006, 05:03:53 PM
Calandryll, when can we see screenshots of the new sets of bikini armor to go along with the drow?


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Calandryll on May 10, 2006, 05:36:26 PM
Calandryll, when can we see screenshots of the new sets of bikini armor to go along with the drow?
I'll see what I can do. ;)


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Broughden on May 10, 2006, 06:15:20 PM
Where is Broughden the Turbine Stalker?  Shouldn'd he be replying that it's a complete lie?



Hardy har har...


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Broughden on May 10, 2006, 06:24:15 PM
No half-orcs or any of the other traditional races....instead they pump out Drow. An evil race even though the game has no PVP and at this time alignment has no effect in game other than what equipment or weapons you can use.

No lvl cap increase.

And all of this awesomeness isnt coming out till July....probably end of. (All that fanbois thought it would be end of May...LOL)

This game is flat lined and I dont think even an intracardiac shot of epinephrine is going to revive it.

Alot of people have already left and with no lvl cap increase and the new content not going for two more months......this game has shuffled off its mortal coil.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Broughden on May 10, 2006, 06:25:04 PM
double posted  :|


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Arthur_Parker on May 10, 2006, 06:29:58 PM
Linky (http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?&postid=352173#post352173)
Quote from: Sporkfire
The group game is still there and still the most important part of DDO. We're adding solo content mainly for the early levels, to help new players get into the game easier so they can level up a little and be ready for the group challenges.

Linky 2 (http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?&postid=352423#post352423)
Quote from: Samera
For those of you who are getting worried about PVP I want to stress a few things: any PVP in DDO would be a) consensual and b) location based (i.e. taking place within a dedicated area such as an arena). You will have to choose to participate in PVP if it is something that interests you.

Linky 3 (http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?&postid=353103#post353103)
Quote from: Sporkfire
DDO will not become WoW. I can promise you that. Not that there is a problem with the WoW system (or, if there is, I am going to diplomatically avoid it), but non-consensual PvP, realm wars and that kind of thing will not be part of the system. It will be consensual and will not have to interrupt the way you want to play. Nobody is going to invade your instance and killsteal your kobolds before ganking you, looting you and talking smack over your corpse. Promise.

So the solo content is to draw players in and the pvp is in an arena, over a dozen dungeons. no level cap increase but with a wait until July.

Somebody needs to buy Sporkfire a WoW account and demonstrate to him that WoW doesn't contain any non-consensual PvP.  Really it doesn't.  Turbine confuse the hell out of me most of the time.  Both the DDO and LOTRO forums have harsh policies on pvp discussion, pvp threads are locked extremely quickly with the note that pvp discussion is only allowed in one massive thread on each site.  I saw a hardcore lotro fan make a passing reference to pvp the other day and he was rewarded with a reminder that bans carry over to the new lotro forums, he shut up pretty quick.

To me that reads like a massive "fuck off" to anyone interested in pvp, I don't see anything wrong with that in itself, pvp doesn't really suit DDO and only suits LOTRO if they added evil races, so the pvp fans were unlikely to buy either game anyway.  But now the situation in DDO has changed, they always said they might add pvp but now it's going in and talk is allowed, who exactly is it going to appeal to?  The pvp fans who have been shut out for over a year and have mostly left?

They should have had a pvp forum and let the players have their say on ideas, even if nobody was listening, moderating one forum with thousands of posts is not much more difficult than moderating one thread with thousands of posts.  Besides if they did the sensible thing and encouraged anti pvp players to stay out of the pvp forum there wouldn't have been quite so much debate.

The cycle is repeating itself, here is the brand new lotro pvp thread (http://lotro.turbine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36) if you read the posts it's not pvp players coming up with ideas, it's mostly pve players gloating.  What's going to happen if they need to add pvp to lotro?  Lots of dev posts like DDO above, explaining it's ok, it's a watered down pvp system that tries to please both sides (that can't agree on anything).


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Broughden on May 10, 2006, 06:33:14 PM
stuff

Because they dont know their asses from holes in the ground and at this point are vainly trying to do anything to save this mess.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Arthur_Parker on May 10, 2006, 06:38:18 PM
When I want your opinion I'll setup a forum and ip ban you.


Title: Re: DDO to add Solo content + Drow
Post by: Broughden on May 10, 2006, 06:52:37 PM
The solo content just screams "uh oh" to me.
QFT


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Broughden on May 10, 2006, 07:04:25 PM
When I want your opinion I'll setup a forum and ip ban you.
LMAO... :-D

Hey it was defending your forum sub #'s that got me banned there! :heart:


Title: Re: DDO to add Solo content + Drow
Post by: Oban on May 10, 2006, 07:04:52 PM
Will "needs more elves" be the "needs more cowbell" for 2006?

(http://www.naute.com/xmasimages/elves.gif)


Title: Re: DDO to add Solo content + Drow
Post by: stray on May 10, 2006, 07:10:06 PM
That cartoon makes no sense. The proper way to spell Elvis in plural is "Elvii".


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: slog on May 10, 2006, 08:06:45 PM
stuff

Because they dont know their asses from holes in the ground and at this point are vainly trying to do anything to save this mess.

Yep with sales of under 100,000, they are doomed!!! oh Wait, that was just you talking out your ass...


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Broughden on May 10, 2006, 08:12:26 PM
stuff

Because they dont know their asses from holes in the ground and at this point are vainly trying to do anything to save this mess.

Yep with sales of under 100,000, they are doomed!!! oh Wait, that was just you talking out your ass...

No that was me discussing the available information at the time the discussion took place, which was awhile ago.
Additionally that does nothing to change the fact the game sucks. Also with no lvl cap increase and the new quests not coming until July (probably late July), two months from now, I dont see things improving for them.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: shiznitz on May 10, 2006, 08:35:21 PM
Is this the same Sporkfire from Planetside forums all those years ago?


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Broughden on May 10, 2006, 10:08:55 PM
Just wait till they start "balancing" the classes based on PVP. At that point any shred that DDO was ever a D&D game will go out the window.

For those who think they will never do that....the dev's in CoH promised the same thing. And then started nerfing/balacing everything based on PVP.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: WindupAtheist on May 11, 2006, 02:03:44 AM
Drow?  Shit, they really are desperate.  I mean, I'm no D&D expert, but isn't DDO not even the right campaign setting for drow?

But hey, maybe it'll be a nice elf-sink for all the roleplay cocksnots in every other MMO who try to pass themselves off as drow because they think any setting with fucking swords must be Forgotten Realms.  God those people piss me off.  A million retards named Gandalf may be assholes without a creative bone in their bodies, but at least they're ripping off Tolkien, an activity which pretty much forms the entire basis of the fantasy genre.

But a million assholes named Drizzt?  Not only are they uncreative dipshits, they're ripping off something with about as much literary merit as those trillions of shitty Star Wars novels that even I won't buy.  Seriously, I've read a couple Salvatore books just to see what the fuck all the hype was about, don't even argue this with me.  I've never seen such an odious Mary Sue as Drizzt, either.

Anyway, in conclusion, drow are the source of the faggoty dark elf emo archetype that plagues the RPG landscape, and everyone who likes them should be sent to Drowschwitz.  The only way out is up the chimney, you pretentious sons of bitches.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Trippy on May 11, 2006, 03:14:58 AM
Drow?  Shit, they really are desperate.  I mean, I'm no D&D expert, but isn't DDO not even the right campaign setting for drow?
The Drow were around before the Forgotten Realms campaign was developed -- they were a part of Gary Gygax's original Greyhawk campaign setting and listed in the AD&D Monster Manual.


Title: Re: DDO to add Solo content + Drow
Post by: Furiously on May 11, 2006, 11:37:03 AM
I wonder how many drow rangers will be made...


Title: Re: DDO to add Solo content + Drow
Post by: Ironwood on May 11, 2006, 11:38:20 AM
Half as many as Scimitars wielded, I suspect.


Title: Re: DDO to add Solo content + Drow
Post by: El Gallo on May 11, 2006, 11:41:57 AM
How long until NWN2 comes out again?


Title: Re: DDO to add Solo content + Drow
Post by: Morat20 on May 11, 2006, 11:59:58 AM
Half as many as Scimitars wielded, I suspect.

Damn Drizzt. Damn Salvatore. Damn the entire fuckin' drow species. I can't count the number of freakin' elf rangers (Nelf Hunters in WoW, natch, with their fucking cats. Black cats) I've seen -- from MMORPGS to the endless fucking tortured Drizzt varients in Pen and Paper games. If it's not Drizzt-clone, it's Drizzt variant (hell, even I've done it -- drow gunslinger in D20 Modern, but other than dual-wielding, being drow, and being fast, nothing else in common). If it's not the goddamn Drizzt variant, it's fuckers playing Drow to "Roleplay Evil" -- which means, by the way, "Being a greedy fucking bastard and generally fucking with people because I can" and is the pen and paper version of griefers...

I wish he'd never fucking wrote "The Crystal Shard".

On the other hand, his Cleric books actually got me to play a cleric in a few games -- and not because I was the last one there and got to be the healing bitch.


Title: Re: DDO to add Solo content + Drow
Post by: Ironwood on May 11, 2006, 12:52:29 PM
In fairness, the cheesiness of Drizzt didn't start off that bad.  It just got a lot worse laters.

Like Raistlin.


Title: Re: DDO to add Solo content + Drow
Post by: WindupAtheist on May 11, 2006, 01:12:40 PM
What the shit?  Didn't we just do this thread on the DDO forum?

Whatever.  To Drowschwitz with all of you bastards.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Samwise on May 11, 2006, 01:45:20 PM
I cast "Mordenkainen's Thread Merge".


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Surlyboi on May 11, 2006, 04:00:33 PM
Regardless of theire origin, Drow are extreeeemly rare in the world DDO is placed in.

Kinda like dragons on Athas.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Broughden on May 11, 2006, 04:34:45 PM
Regardless of theire origin, Drow are extreeeemly rare in the world DDO is placed in.

Kinda like dragons on Athas.

Werent they slaves to the giants on the continent of Xen'drick where Stormreach is?

All that aside though drow receive a +2 lvl adjustment due to their innate abilities, which means the only way to implement them in game is to either 1. give them a lvl cap of 8 or 2. nerf the heck out of their innate abilities (like they did Warforged).  Either way WTF does it matter? If they nerf them then all they are are dark skinned elves which they already have in game! Its retarded.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Arthur_Parker on May 12, 2006, 02:54:04 PM
They should have had a pvp forum and let the players have their say on ideas, even if nobody was listening, moderating one forum with thousands of posts is not much more difficult than moderating one thread with thousands of posts.  Besides if they did the sensible thing and encouraged anti pvp players to stay out of the pvp forum there wouldn't have been quite so much debate.

Cal if you do the same thing as this (http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?&postid=360884#post360884) for LOTRO then I'm expecting a LOTRO beta invite at the very least.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Miasma on May 12, 2006, 04:27:18 PM
They had to do that because virtually the entire first page of General discussion was filled with D&D people screaming about how much they hate the idea.  As far as LOTRO goes I thought that was the board where PvP discussion is confined to one thread and if you post about it anywhere else you get in trouble.  Maybe I'm confusing that with another upcoming MMO though.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Arthur_Parker on May 12, 2006, 04:47:16 PM
If you read my full quoted post I mentioned that.  There are three types of player, those in favour of pvp, those against and those who can take it or leave it based on the design.

With DDO and LOTRO online Turbine have appealed to anti pvp players, by restricting the discussion to one thread and by making clear that pvp will not be present at release Turbine created the DDO pvp backlash.  With no restrictions on the posting in the pvp threads they degenerated into the standard pro anti discussion.  Human nature means the anti players enjoyed gloating at the misfortunate of pvp players, they had won.  The net result with the addition of pvp to DDO is the anti pvp players, quite rightly, feel betrayed.

If they had a pvp forum to start with and discouraged the whole pro anti discussion they could still have marketed the games as non pvp but with the clear understanding that pvp might well be added at some point, which is clearly true.  I really don't believe they would have lost many sales as result but rather than the current anti pvp backlash, DDO would be experiencing a more mixed reaction.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: tazelbain on May 12, 2006, 05:01:17 PM
It's hard to discuss PvP without parameters.  PvP runs the gambit from rock / paper / sissors to lord of the flies gankfests. Some sort of "Competitive Mission" PvP would fit with DDO's set up.

Does DDO rely on taunt/CC/steath? Those alway seem to be trouble areas regardless of the PvP set up.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Nija on May 12, 2006, 05:19:25 PM
Cal if you do the same thing as this (http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?&postid=360884#post360884) for LOTRO then I'm expecting a LOTRO beta invite at the very least.

I would kill for that guy to reply to the first post, which is "Are you trying to get all the posts in one area so you can ignore them all at the same time?" and say just "Yes." and lock the thread.

You see the most pathetic shit at the most official forums, it never fails.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Endie on May 13, 2006, 06:23:52 AM
...everyone who likes them should be sent to Drowschwitz.  The only way out is up the chimney, you pretentious sons of bitches.

Genius.  Delicious, offensive genius.  So good that I'm even tempted to attribute when I use it, and not just steal it and pretend I'm cleverer than I am.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Arthur_Parker on May 13, 2006, 03:04:59 PM
They should have had a pvp forum and let the players have their say on ideas, even if nobody was listening, moderating one forum with thousands of posts is not much more difficult than moderating one thread with thousands of posts.  Besides if they did the sensible thing and encouraged anti pvp players to stay out of the pvp forum there wouldn't have been quite so much debate.

Cal if you do the same thing as this (http://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?&postid=360884#post360884) for LOTRO then I'm expecting a LOTRO beta invite at the very least.

Funny stuff (http://www.thelordoftheringsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?&postid=13664#post13664).


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Arthur_Parker on May 15, 2006, 12:58:36 PM
Cal, when do I get my beta key? (http://www.thelordoftheringsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1061)


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Calandryll on May 15, 2006, 02:52:40 PM
Cal, when do I get my beta key? (http://www.thelordoftheringsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1061)
I'll, um, get right on it. ;)


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: HaemishM on May 15, 2006, 03:58:47 PM
Cal, when do I get my beta key? (http://www.thelordoftheringsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1061)

Love this one:

Quote
Hmmmm...

I feel a disturbance in the force....err...lore.

I say, forget 4th Qtr.....this year.

As if PVP wasn't in the books in some fashion. What about the Human who got chased off of the village of Bree for letting the wraiths in? What about Sauraman and his army or Grima Wormtongue? If ever there was justifcation for PVP, that's it.

But Lore is funny that way.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Arthur_Parker on May 15, 2006, 04:25:25 PM
Love this thread (http://www.thelordoftheringsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1096)

Quote
Note I combined men and women responces to get the percentages, which effectively doubles the percentage (so think of it as 200% not 100%)

23.9% of the people strongly prefered PvP
22.7% slightly prefered PvP
compared to
98% of the people strongly prefered PvE
35.8% slightly prefered PvE

6 Million people are playing WoW, (ok 200,000 of them are in a queue waiting to play WoW) but this guy is using statistics to prove pvp is a minority playstyle.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: stray on May 15, 2006, 04:31:01 PM
Well, it is a minority playstyle. I don't see why that matters though.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Arthur_Parker on May 15, 2006, 04:46:52 PM
Worldwide never, western world?  Not since WoW was released, one of the rare (http://www.cesspit.net/drupal/node/1330) times I agree with Hrose (http://www.cesspit.net/drupal/node/1333).  I think it matters because it still surprises people.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: stray on May 15, 2006, 04:50:42 PM
I love PvP, but hate the hell out of WoW's world PvP....But yet, I loved Shadowbane.

I wonder where I fit in the 'statistics'?

Also, none of those articles made much sense to me. I don't know if I agree with HRose or not.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Miasma on May 15, 2006, 06:10:20 PM
When WoW launched and I logged in the first day I was stunned that at server selection fully half were PvP.  I had expected it to be treated as a bastard child like in EQ.  But those servers filled up just as fast as the PvE ones.  I was forced to change my belief that PvP in MMOs were a niche that not many liked.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Threash on May 16, 2006, 02:20:16 PM
When WoW launched and I logged in the first day I was stunned that at server selection fully half were PvP.  I had expected it to be treated as a bastard child like in EQ.  But those servers filled up just as fast as the PvE ones.  I was forced to change my belief that PvP in MMOs were a niche that not many liked.

Actually the pvp servers filled up a lot faster than the pve ones, i think theres like a 60/40 split now.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: HaemishM on May 16, 2006, 03:51:50 PM
When WoW launched and I logged in the first day I was stunned that at server selection fully half were PvP.  I had expected it to be treated as a bastard child like in EQ.  But those servers filled up just as fast as the PvE ones.  I was forced to change my belief that PvP in MMOs were a niche that not many liked.

The problem is there are so many ways you can change up the implementation of PVP that changes the kind of player who will like it dramatically that just saying PVP isn't adequate anymore. Open, wild-west style PVP? Very much a minority. WoW/DAoC-like consensual PVP? A majority. Shadowbane? Minority. EQ2/COH- arena only style? Minority.


Title: Re: 300k units sold; pvp incoming
Post by: Cheddar on May 16, 2006, 09:57:17 PM
Balanced (relatively so) PvP with the option to show off pretty hats in safety 4tw.  WoW, for all its faults, has hit on the way PvP should be.  I am surprised they are not taking more advantage of this aspect of their success; all the raid shit seems trivial.

Gimme better objectives then the grindage that is BG!