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The 5 1/2 minute shown at E3 this year.

http://www.blizzard.com/wow/movies/

Hmm, looks worse moving than it does in stills.

Textures and models remind me of N64 Zelda.

Animations bring to mind Dungeon Keeper 2.

Spell effects bring to mind something-that-looks-like-ass.

WoW's graphics are really a personal preference type of thing. I have the beta, and I absolutly LOVE the graphics. The landscapes are the best I have seen to date.

As far as the cartoony graphics destracting from the game, it really fits perfictly. None of the videos or stills do it justice.

Thats MO.

I never really minded the stills, maybe it's just the video quality that puts me off.

/meh

Unless you are one who creams their jeans over the whole Warcraft setting, I see nothing in there to make me think it'll be anything other than EQ with Warcraft skins, and some more quests. This is coming from someone who thinks the style fits the world; it just doesn't leap out and me as something I care to play.

The graphics in the movie don't do much for me.  The stills, I find, are only marginally better.  I will admit it's cute and I don't mind cute.  I tend to prefer realistic.  Hopefully, the graphics are not the main focus of the game.  I agree that, so far, nothing about the game makes me yearn to play it.  I'm sure I'll still give it a go, eventually, hoping that it will surprise me and actually be fun.  At this point in my MMOG life, all I really want is a bit of diversion and a good laugh.

That's DIVERSION, schild, not DERISION... please be nice to me.  I'm fragile.

I have to admit that the graphics aren't really to my liking, but I'd consider playing the game if the content was worth experiencing.  As it stands, eveything I've read seems to place WoW as the same old derivative shit that we've all seen time and time again.  Make a game that's watered down to appeal to the masses and add content to attract the powergaming catasses en masse.

What makes me want to run from this game at full speed are the hoards of raving fanbois flocking to it like flies.  I tend to be a social whore when it comes to mmog's.  The sheer thought of trying to interact with the likes of what I've see on the Blizzard boards makes me want to eat my liver with a spork.  I fear that teh stupid will be out in force on launch day.

Yeah, because other offical boards are populated by Nobel Prize winners.

I thought we all just assumed that official boards are filled with asshats.  When did "I saw stupid on a board" become a condemnation of a game?    To me, if the worst thing you can find about a game is that their boards are filled with idiots, then thats a ringing endorsement.

Morphiend,

I agree with you about the graphics. I was worried about them but since I've started beta they've grown on me. It almost feels like I'm playing in an anime and it fits the world. The graphics have...personality. I like realistic grahpics usually, but somehow these feel more alive. I don't know how to describe it.

As for gameplay. I never played EQ so don't know if it is an EQ-clone. I know there is very, very little downtime and that I've rarely run into mobs that are "camped".

As for the fanbois. I have yet to run into one in beta. I've also noticed that the fanbois are the ones complaining about the monthly fee so I'm hoping that'll weed them out. Besides, as someone else has said I dare you to find any game that doesn't have messageboards populated by the dregs of society.

There's no escaping "teh stupid", it's everywhere.  I just thought it was obvious that the amounts of it varied from site to site and game to game.  It's the reason that most of us post here.

I have no doubt that some very good and very intelligent people will play WoW.  I'm just not sure I'm up to the task of wading through the rest to find them.  I stated before that I would be willing to try this game if the mechanics were such to warrant it.  I rely on articulate people like yourself to educate me on what it is that makes WoW worth playing.  I've read quite a bit and discussed the game with a number of people that I respect and I still fail to find anything engaging about the title.  So far it just looks like another derivative treadmill built to cater to the powergaming catass.  

I'd love to be proven wrong and discover that WoW is a well-crafted mmog that I enjoy.  In the meantime, I'm going to continue to follow WoW to release and remain skeptical.

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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Fanbois, the plural of fanboy. At least, that's how I always use it.

EDIT: Or the pluarl of fanboi if that is your bent.

I was more or less commenting on the use of fanboi in the place of "slathering idiot" or "complete mmorpg noob".  But I guess Blizzard fanboi fits the description for the above.  

PLUS I WANTED TO THINK ABOUT PRINCESS BRIDE FOR A BIT. IS THAT SO WRONG?

That HaemishM, he can fuss

INCONCEIVABLE!

I think he likes to scream at us.

Probably he means no harm

He's really very short on charm.

*Extremely sorry for the derailment - and the 4 posts in a row.
The above was a series of quotes from the Princess Bride and not really directed at Hammy.

Haemish reminds me of my husband and I find him  very charming... in that "If you don't shuddup I'll stuff a hand grenade up your arse" sort of way.  Of course, some of us girls like a bit of rough.

Edit: ooh!  I think I may just have invented the arse grenade!

Heh- it was worth it for a chuckle.

No more rhymes now, I mean it!

Anybody want a peanut?

*screams*

I think we can stop the word games now.  I'm sure someone thinks they are clever.  That someone is not myself, sadly.

*clears throat meaningfully*

WoW movie.  Topic.  Got it?

I've seen The Princess Bride.  I'm not sure what loose association TPB has with WoW, other than demonstrating you have wasted more space than is required on storing quotes to regurgitate in an unwarranted l33t contest on a forum.  If you want offtopic spam, I recommend you locate forums with a more tolerant moderation staff.  Got it?

Not quite word games, they're The Princess Bride (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/) quotes.    Hard to believe that movie was made in the 80s - you should see it if you've never done so in the past.

Anywho, yes, I probably should actually take the time to view the WoW movie...  Having just viewed it, I have to say that it's pretty much what I expected.  

Graphics are fine.   You may not like that they're a little blocky, but that's for performance reasons and an extremely good call in a MMORPG.   You may not like the style, but it's clear that they have set out to create a very Warcraft-like appearance to the graphical style, and they've achieved that.    The environment looks very detailed, and the cities look like they're the most detailed in any MMORPG I've seen yet (and I've played EQ and FFXI).  

Gameplay worries me.   Combat appears to be old school "everybody in party focus on a single mob" gameplay.   They staged a few events where players are attacking hoardes of mobs, but you'll notice that hte players have to single them out.    There doesn't seem to be nearly the flexibility to combat that I've grown accustomed to from City of Heroes.    I heard you have three bars, one for health, one for mana, and one for special moves - there needs to be more innovation to the standard EQ-clone formula than that.

Being able to fly a griffin and having dance moves are fluff.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the griffon flying not free-form? I.e. it's more like DAoC's horse routes than CoH flying?

I don't think I would mind the gameplay if it feels like I'm doing something or going somewhere the entire time. I don't want to hang around a camp and kill 1000 foozles to get the next level. However, if I have a quest where I need to work through a dungeon and kill 1000 foozles in order to get the Black Widget of Doom to finish a quest, I don't mind as much. I want to feel like I'm doing something, not just mindlessly camping a mob spawn.

BTW, watch the movie "Man on Fire" to see an arse grenade in action.

You are correct, the Griffons/Bats are disturbingly reminisiant of the DAoC horse rides. But WoW has taken steps to remove the tedium. In my play time I have only found short rides, IE a few minutes at max. For the long trips they have Zepplins, but the graphics are not implemented, and they teleport you instantly right now, they are not sure what the flight lenght is going to be like at release.

Also, at level 40, you can get your own free roaming ground mount, but no one has tested them yet, as the level cap right now is level 39. In the next push, that is comming possibly tomorrow, they are raising the level cap to 45, so mounts will be tested.





That is just what wow is like. So far the only camping I have done is for a quest, and that is like 10 or 15 minutes to get all the drops you need to finish the quests.

In a group these kind of quests can take a bit longer, but the longest I have ever sat at one spawn as 20 minutes, and that was in a group of 6.

Ding, wrong answer. In a quest that requires quest objects that a group can join together on, everyone should get the drop the first time. That better be changed.

Well, it depends on the type of quest.

In most cases, quest items drop for the whole group, first time. But there is one type of quest, where you are tasked with say, Gather 5 arm bands from the Scarlett Crusade.
In this case, they are semi rare drops, where you get the arm band drop about 1 in 3 kills. These type of quest do not share the quest drop items. Now, Im not sure why only in this case they dont.

You know what I saw?

Vast Cities.

Vast terrian vistas.

Vast dungeons.


All EMPTY vast spectales. I well rembemer the vast impressive cities of EVerquest's first year. At least you had some NPC's walking around a bit, but apart from Qeynos, Outside Freeport and the Wood Elf Spamathon, very few people inside them (the ones I rembemer most getting a shock at seeing another player was the Gnome and Dwarf underground cities).

As long as that does not become the standard but rather remains the antiquated exception that is never implemented again. Otherwise, 1 in 3 or 1 in 300, it's lame. I left DAoC because they moved toward that paradigm and not away from it as originally intended... pity.

The "vast terrain vistas" can be lightly populated to empty. But I would call them vast. Land mass is smaller and more denseley populated than say, DAoC, but not with players clumped together in single spots (i.e. DAoC has zones with nothing to do in 90% of the land, and 1 or 2 camp spots in a zone)

However, the cities and dungeons are very populated with players. I suspect a non-public server was used to create the movie.

Re: mounts.  

The flying mounts are DAoC-style medevial mass transit.  Unlike DAoC, the game will launch with ownable mounts for PCs.

You can't bitch about player population from a movie recorded during a beta test phase, can you? Well, I guess you can.


I get to foozle #20 or so and that's where I get bored by the repetition and log out to play a fun game.

WoW will release with an order of magnitude less quests than EQ.  The number of quests in EQ is fucking staggering.  The only difference is that WoW weighs exp toward quest completion.  EQ gives pretty minor exp for quest completion and quests are usually for gear.  Since people only want the best gear, it renders 90% of EQs quests pretty moot and to the category of 'for fun only'.

The problem with WoW is that a WHOLE lot of the quests suck ass.  Stardard kill shit missions.  Go here kill that.  It is like calling DAOC quest based leveling because they had the kill quests.

All it will boil down to is:  Is combat fun and innovative.  If that is a no, I won't even buy it.  I have friends who can tell me the answer to that question, probably before the game goes live.  So far what I am hearing is that combat is standard EQ/DAOC combat with less downtime.  I hear the quests force pickup groups most of the time and the low downtime means everyone is in a hurry in the groups and nobody talks (this reminds me of AO from my experiences).  I don't want to say I am in favor of forced downtime... I don't know what I am saying really.  But there is something to say about taking a breather to chat or wisecrack, at least until they implement full voice in mmogs.  As things stand, my biggest challenge in most mmog games is finding the time to type up my smartass comments during battle.  COH has abit of the 'no time to chat' problem as well IMO.

Me, too. Dungeon or no.

If you need a unique item (Like "Lord Soanso's Head"), it will drop for all players. If you need a set of items (40 yeti legs, etc.) then the item will drop randomly, and whoever is up to loot has a chance of obtaining the item. However, if someone in the group does not need the item (they're done with the quest, or for some reason do not have the quest) and the item is on their creature, then that item becomes free for all loot. So as group members complete the requirements for the collection quest, the ones who have yet to complete the quest get drops much more frequently.

WOW that movie looks awesome i cant wait till WOW comes out

Have we allowed this joke to run its course yet?

its not a joke... WOW is being made by blizzard and blizz > everyone else

You're funnier when your sentences make no sense.

Yes, Blizzard can do no wrong.  

Well, except for the part where they decided to make a MMORPG.

It's sort of like that old philosophy question about what happens when an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object.

Let me write up a crude diagram of the result:



I could probably do better if I had a pirated copy of photoshop like everybody else does, but I'm somewhat against borrowing multi-hundred dollar copies of software.    Besides, that would involve finding and manipulating horrifying pictures of major disasters.

Apparently Blizzard hit the MMOG wall so hard, one of the z's became an r.

That's pain.

ya i agree MMOS are kind of ghey but o well what can u do id rather play SC2 but o well

You're a bot, right?

I'm guessing he's a Perl script that pulls random phrases from Blizzard forums.  Or Boog.

Just out of curiousity, johnson101, you do know World of Warcraft will require a credit card to pay probably about $15/mo mandatory subscription, right?

I just thought I'd mention that since it's usually the sticking point for those of certain credentials such that would make them a Blizzard.net regular.

well duh im not a n00b lol o and its battle.net

Whoops, right you are, color me p0wn3d.

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Garble (http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame80.html)

Nah.   Maybe Net Rat (http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame81.html) or L'Enfant Provocateur  (http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame11.html).  He just speaks in tongues as is the style of certain websites (http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/), younger pirating circles, or simply people just plain too lazy (or entertaining notions of l33t) to type whole words.

He is a gimmick account. He has got to be. Even the Blizzard fanboi is not THAT stupid.

o well even if i am a fanboi i still play good games cuz blizz makes good games so stfu plz k thx

Nobody's perfect.   Here's some Blizzard titles you may not be aware of...

The Death and Return of Superman! (http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,7384/) (SNES) - Never played it.  Looks like a generic 2d Super-hero platformer.   Guess I wouldn't turn down DC's money either.

Blackthorne (http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,1445/) (PC, SNES, Sega 32x, Gameboy) - Basically a Prince of Persia clone... except he's got a gun!  Arguably POP was better.

Rock & Roll Racing (http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,11544/) (SNES, Genesis, GBA) - Also never played it.  Looks like an isometric 2d combat racing game with NES quality graphics.

Though I should give them credit.   Those are relatively well rated, and some games they developed that weren't RTS knock-offs of Westwood's Dune II (well okay so Westwood lost that lawsuit) like Warcraft and Starcraft ultimately began.   Diablo I have to give them credit for - although there are some elements of Roguelike games there, that's a good thing.   Now I see a lot of copying of Diablo's item system (Shadowbane, Divine Divinity), so I guess what goes around comes around.

Still, all that said, it is hard to burn the Blizzard, so to speak.   They've got a pretty good track record going for them.   Why, oh why, did they ever decide to go MMORPG is beyond me.   Eh, Squaresoft pulled it off quite well with FFXI, so perhaps World of Warcraft isn't doomed by default.

it doesnt rly sound that bad to me it sounds fun

Ok, this has run it course. Ban please.

I don't know, I think the gimmick evolved from Pyro -> Pai Rho (at corp) -> Pyromancing (here) -> Ubern00b -> Johnson101. That's just speculation. The problem is he hasn't spread his gibberish across enough threads (or managed to make sense or stay on topic). So it's less humorous. Of course, what should I expect...

Rock & Roll Racing was a very fun game when I was younger. Nice running around the track blasting things with missiles and such and upgrading your car, had all sorts of cool and tough maps and the music and voice was pretty good also.

um u cant ban me.. i like didnt do anything wrong... dont u ppl have rulz?

I seem to remember one of the rules, it went something like, "Spotanious bannings will occur on fully undeserving parties in order to instill proper fear in the masses."

Once in awhile they'd hold a poll so we can vote on somebody to spontaniously ban for no good reason.  I seem to remember Raph (developer on Star Wars Galaxies) was highly nominated on the last such poll.    Per usual, I nominated myself.    It wasn't until I slung a particularly impressive bit of neo-liberal idiocy did I myself manage to become 1-day banned, whereupon I immediately threw a hissyfit and promised never to return again!

Course, that was back in the Waterthread days.   Much of the #hate has been deported to where it will not torment unsuspecting pop culture as readily.   I know not if such barbed banzoration is still in the mix, though I wager it'd take very little to provoke a quick answer.

You see, the thingy is, IRL, message boards are run by real people who pay real bandwidth bills to suffer the presence of their various visitors.   They can and will ban whoever they want at any time.

Ok, stop going off-topic.

I'd read your post but I'm too busy chillin with my bitches on my gold yacht on the streets of San Andreas.

Johnson, this was a thread made just to showcase a WoW movie that could have been put in any other WoW thread, it was derailed before it was even started.

Color me p0wn3d again.

Okay, going back on topic:

I know we've got three bars - Health, Mana, and "Special Moves" in Worlds of Warcraft.   Then you've got the Griffin train, and of course the Warcraft universe itself.    Anything particularly innovative about what Worlds of Warcraft is pulling off?   Now, their April Fools Joke (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/races/two-headed-ogre.shtml) would have refreshingly different, if alas a terribly flawed concept.

It's good because blizzard is making it.

That's easily one of the funniest quotes ever. It's applicable to everything.

"Hey, did you try that new Buffalo Pizza from Pizza Hut?"

"It's good because Blizzard is making it."

See what I'm doing there? Eh, eh?

lol no they arent go there kill that they are actually fun and complex learn ur sh1t gg no re thx

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im tired of all u other game fanbois

We are the rules, bubba.

And you must be gimmick, there are no spaces in plzkthx. ;)

Does no one see how well he is pwning us?

Perhaps, but Blizzard is exibiting utter pwnership over him first.   So it's like his pwning is just an extention of Blizzard's already established pwnability.   Should WoW flop, he will be de-pwned instantly.

It was a good impression while it lasted.

Holy fuck, I'd respond to this thread, but my head just imploded.