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<...yadda yadda yadda, talking about the history between Mark and GW guys... Realm versus Realm combat... basic story... >

"You'll also get to choose from two different archetypes: the Warrior and the Adept. Warriors, not suprisingly, rely heavily on brute force. Adepts are better at skilled professions. Each puts you on a unique career path in which you'll be able to make selections that further detail your profession (A Human Warrior, for example, may rise through the ranks of being a soldier, a rifleman, mercenary, knight, and ranger - sometimes mixing and matching facets of each if desired)."

<Going on, emphasizing early-level RvR combat, interresting little bit about NPC guilds that newbies can join until they create their own or join a PC one...>

"Eschewing character levels altogether, Warhammer Online [sic] will be a what-you-see-is-what-you-get world. ...And the mark of your personal progress will be shown physically: Orcs, for example, will grow in size and become more musclebound, while Dwarfs' beards will gradually become longer to indicate their venerable status. ...you'll be able to outfit your character with personal trophies, such as adorning your Orc's spiked armor with Dwarf skulls...

"..."Death" isn't permanent in Warhammer Online[sic, and they really do know it is WAR, he just calls it that 4-ez, as they say], but each death-ish mishap will bring you closer to the brink of insanity. Die too often and the accumulated insanity points will befin to drain away the amount of experience you gain..."

<PvE goes towards RvR, da-te-da...>

"PvP will be broken into four types: Skirmishes, Battlefields, Sceanarios, and Campaigns. Skirmishes are... two or more enemies clashing in unstructured combat. Battlefields... fighting for in-game resources, such as lumber mills and temples. Scenarios are similar to Battlefields, except these large-scale battles will be instanced and evenly matched by the server (adding bots to balance the sides).. and factor the most into which side takes a zone. Campaigns will be the PvP end-games - a final, humiliating invasion of the losing race's capital city.
Once [the capital is taken, yay for wanton slaughter of NPCs]... the server's metagame will spawn in AI reinforcements, drive out the invasion force, and then reset the server.... You get to keep [all your phat lewts]... At launch, there will be approximately 33 zones and 1800 quests...

Shh. I'm not really here, yet. You won't see a lot of me until a) beta, b) the boys and girls finish the main design work and have finalized things for me to talk about, c) there is no c, and/or d) all of the above.

Oh. Um, hi. I'm Sanya, I'm Mythic's community weasel, been kicking around MMORPGs for the last seven years. I've been a tool of the dark side, I mean the gaming industry, since 2001. I'm old, cranky, bitter, mean, a big nerd, and I don't like talking about things that players can't get their mitts on within three weeks. This whole pre-pre-pre-beta board talking makes me as nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs, because practically nothing posted this early retains its form through beta. Did I mention old and bitter? Did I?

At the same time, my minion Kunou has been lurking here and occasionally posting for months along with many Warhammer devs, because now is the time to absorb the "feel" of your ideal game. It's a hell of a balancing act, and one that no company has really aced yet. But we're trying. I want you to love the game, to feel invested in the game, and to be part of the process... but to understand that in a year, it's going to be harder to put your ideas into the game even though your feedback will ALWAYS be a driving force behind change.

But enough of my paranoid philosophy. I'm just sticking in my beak to say that the article is real, that it wasn't supposed to be on sale at B&N until the 6th, but we don't really mind, and lucky you for snagging an advance copy.

The "weird goblin" was a troll with the wrong caption under his shiny face. Not even PC Gamer catches everything during the proofing process.

I got this note from the design team. One of the designers who lurks here on a daily basis wrote it, and his boss (the lead designer) signed off on it:

"The four elements of RvR noted in the article are actually designed to be much more integrated than the author of the article lets on – Battlefields and Skirmish play take place in a shared RvR space, and Scenarios are adjacent to those areas as well. Dominance in these aspects of play combines to drive the greater Campaign, which moves the fighting through the world to keep things interesting, and can culminate – if the attacking force is skilled and persistent – in the sacking of an enemy city.

"...we aim to create a coherent RvR experience where players can participate when and how they care to, and where everyone contributes to the greater war. Certainly not every aspect of RvR will be for every player, but whatever aspect is for you will matter, and so you can play the way or ways you want to, whatever they may be, and still be an important part of the war."

That's from the horse's mouth, there. Hope it clarifies the article that you read.

I now return to my regularly scheduled lurking. Soon I will upgrade to skulking.

I don't know why noone did the maturing thing earlier. It's kind of common sense. I'm really glad to see it here :)

I'm also trying not to get hyped abou the game, so stop posting stuff like that. kthx :P

The only issue I can see with this is that, until a player has viewed every variation of the same MOB it will be difficult to know what order of power they have, so unless the spawns only appear in a linear ascending order of power (i.e. they get incrementally harder the further away from newbie land you get and don't roam [too much]) players are going to be in for a nasty surprise!

http://www.warhammeralliance.net/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6

This one says it's a 3 team RVR game. I know squat about warhammer other than a few Kim Newman novels I read because I liked Anno Dracula, but nowhere in the novels did I get a sense of there being 3 sides. Is 3 sides natural to that setting or are they trying to shoehorn it into the DAOC mold?

3 sides is not natural, warhammer was designed for roleplay and mostly for the table top battle game.  Due to the number of races and armies it's normal be able to explain anyway any race fighting any another race, or even themselves.  So yes it's being shoehorned a bit, it's going to be interesting to see if there are different RVR ruleset servers.

Wake me up if they ever change this into MTGO for the Warhammer (or better yet, Warhammer 40k) world..

Otherwise I'll stick with WoW until I grow bored and quit MMOGs FOREVER (again)..

Hmm. Bots. It could work as a method to balance population.  They need to be very smart or directly under player control to work.  At least they are trying.

The only issue I can see with this is that, until a player has viewed every variation of the same MOB it will be difficult to know what order of power they have, so unless the spawns only appear in a linear ascending order of power (i.e. they get incrementally harder the further away from newbie land you get and don't roam [too much]) players are going to be in for a nasty surprise!

no character levels

There's nothing to get hyped about. Positively nothing.

This one says it's a 3 team RVR game. I know squat about warhammer other than a few Kim Newman novels I read because I liked Anno Dracula, but nowhere in the novels did I get a sense of there being 3 sides. Is 3 sides natural to that setting or are they trying to shoehorn it into the DAOC mold?

"You'll also get to choose from two different archetypes: the Warrior and the Adept. Warriors, not surprisingly, rely heavily on brute force. Adepts are better at skilled professions. Each puts you on a unique career path in which you'll be able to make selections that further detail your profession (A Human Warrior, for example, may rise through the ranks of being a soldier, a rifleman, mercenary, knight, and ranger - sometimes mixing and matching facets of each if desired)."

"..."Death" isn't permanent in Warhammer Online[sic, and they really do know it is WAR, he just calls it that 4-ez, as they say], but each death-ish mishap will bring you closer to the brink of insanity. Die too often and the accumulated insanity points will befin to drain away the amount of experience you gain..."

The only issue I can see with this is that, until a player has viewed every variation of the same MOB it will be difficult to know what order of power they have, so unless the spawns only appear in a linear ascending order of power (i.e. they get incrementally harder the further away from newbie land you get and don't roam [too much]) players are going to be in for a nasty surprise!

Only thing that really seemed a little odd is that dark elves shouldn't really be on the same side as the green races, I guess the green realm needs a caster race, so I can live with that.

Only thing that really seemed a little odd is that dark elves shouldn't really be on the same side as the green races, I guess the green realm needs a caster race, so I can live with that.

tbh, what I actually got from the article was 'levels will be represented to other players by beard length and muscles rather than by numbers'.

Are you and schild really saying you aren't going investigate this, providing it makes it to release with even fairly average reviews? Because I don't for 1 second believe you.

but each death-ish mishap will bring you closer to the brink of insanity. Die too often and the accumulated insanity points will befin to drain away the amount of experience you gain..."

"PvP will be broken into four types: Skirmishes, Battlefields, Sceanarios, and Campaigns. Skirmishes are... two or more enemies clashing in unstructured combat. Battlefields... fighting for in-game resources, such as lumber mills and temples. Scenarios are similar to Battlefields, except these large-scale battles will be instanced and evenly matched by the server (adding bots to balance the sides).. and factor the most into which side takes a zone. Campaigns will be the PvP end-games - a final, humiliating invasion of the losing race's capital city.
Once [the capital is taken, yay for wanton slaughter of NPCs]... the server's metagame will spawn in AI reinforcements, drive out the invasion force, and then reset the server.... You get to keep [all your phat lewts]... At launch, there will be approximately 33 zones and 1800 quests...

They really need to copy WoW for pvp ideas after all Mythic are rather new to the battleground/area capture ideas?  The WFRP career system was published 20 odd years ago and I don't recall playing imperator, I'm confused.  Maybe you could expand on the pvp system they should be using, one that actually works as opposed to the sketchy one that's been laid out.

Not only they are copying the look of WoW characters, but they are copying also how the environments look and the pastel-colored textures of the buildings. Look at the background of the big image on the middle-right with the dwarf. Tell me if that texture doesn't seem ripped off right from WoW.

Or maybe Blizzard has been ripping off the Warhammer aesthetic since before there was a World of Warcraft? They've been doing it so long, you've forgotten that it wasn't their's to begin with.

The models do look pretty War-hammery to me. The colors don't. Miniatures tend to have a slightly worn, gritty look just naturally, and in addition a lot of people add grit to their models intentionally.

There are shared RvR zones with resource nodes and nearby portals to instanced BGs. Plus a single instance of Alterac Valley/Capital City Raid on each server instead of a "relic raid".

It is EXACTLY the same model of WoW mixed with DAoC's persistence. They are simply trying to leech from it, mixing some elements and smoothing the corners. I only see a BIG, GLOWING ENVY for WoW there. For the single element that in WoW sucks so much and should NEVER be taken as a model.

What pisses me off is that those elements could have been easily integrated in DAoC instead of constantly make the PvE more stupid and the PvP so static.

Also, ignoring for a second the historial influence of GW on Blizzard and vica versa, everyone in the game industry has BIG, GLOWING ENVY for WoW, here's one small example from Ncsoft. (http://www.playfuls.com/picview_2_game_1277_Dungeon_Runners.html).  An income of 5 hollywood blockbuster movies a year from 1 game tends to make waves.

Sketchy? We have already all the elements.

There are shared RvR zones with resource nodes and nearby portals to instanced BGs. Plus a single instance of Alterac Valley/Capital City Raid on each server instead of a "relic raid".

It is EXACTLY the same model of WoW mixed with DAoC's persistence.

I missed the bit were this was a conversation of WFB.

Has anyone told John Blanche yet?  He should know about this being the head of the Art department for GW, he's a big bloke you know so you might want to choose your words carefully.  I don't think he's going to be pleased (http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/artwork/).

Oh for fuck's sake... do you guys even glance at the miniatures they have up on their site now? They haven't looked like the goddamned concept art in ages.

It is EXACTLY the same model of WoW mixed with DAoC's persistence. They are simply trying to leech from it, mixing some elements and smoothing the corners. I only see a BIG, GLOWING ENVY for WoW there. For the single element that in WoW sucks so much and should NEVER be taken as a model.

No, YOU are missing the point.

Warhammer is a fucking SETTING. And it can be rendered in many different *styles*. We have PLENTY of proofs of Warhammer in the cartoonish look, as we have about the much more "violent" and realistic look.

The point is NOT who invented a cartoonish look before. The point is:
1- People would appreciate MUCH more a game looking realistic and that is completely different from WoW, exactly to DISTANCE Warhammer from it instead of looking like a bleached copy. This is what would MAKE SENSE even from a commercial point of view.
2- Mythic doesn't handle this style well. It's a lost battle fighting Blizzard right in their house.

Even the style of the weapons and armors is cartoonish and ripped off WoW. They are even imitating the big shoulderpads.

I'm forced to assume that you either have a closed head wound or haven't touched anything GW in 15 years.

Let me be as blunt as I possibly fucking can: THEY HAVE IGNORED EVERYTHING ABOUT WFRP IN "CANON" FOR A DECADE.

It was licensed out to Hogshead and now Mongoose. It is not carried in their stores. Brettonians have been merry Robin Hood/Camelot rejects since 1996. Halflings shoot cauldrons of soup at people. There is no WFRP as far as the design studio is concerned, John Blanche's nice artwork be damned. That shit? Atmosphere. It is not the Warhammer world anymore.

I know. I've worked for them. I've been to their US and GB headquarters. I've spoken with retail national managers and design studio guys. Until last year I spent more money on miniatures and WFRP books than is healthy for any rational person to do. It's gotten me nothing whatsoever except for this: I can say with no doubt whatsoever that you people whining that it's not gritty like it was the last time you touched the stuff in '86 (JUDAS PRIEST, BEER, AND FUCKING ORCS WOOOOO!) have no clue what you're even complaining about.

We want to pull in as much material from the Warhammer material as we can to make this a great game. I don't care where it comes from, if it's Warhammer (Fantasy Battles, RPG, Warmaster) and it also can be part of a great game, I want to try to fit it in this game.

I want you to read what I write very, very slowly to yourself, aloud, as if I were talking to a kid with Down's about sex.

You are a douche who remembers toking up way back when and jamming to Black Sabbath while pushing little Chaos Marines around a table. Reagan is dead.

The honor system and the rewards are what is wrong?

Then what is right about it?  (I will totally hijack this stupid thread if possible, aiiiiiiiii)

Lesse, the contested zones are meaningless because in order to compete on even footing in pvp you need to spend all your time either in a BG or in a Raid.  So there goes any world pvp, or feeling of "war" in WoW.

Faction grinds suck.
Honor system sucks.

@Modern Angel:
As to the comment about Gen-X stoners, if you think that isn't still GW's major market, your a fucking idiot.  I challenge you to go to a fucking game store right now, take pictures of all the people playing GW games and post them in this thread.  The ratio of prep kids or whatever it is you imagine they are targeting (you sound like the bitter fuckhead not HRose on this one) versus dudes with long black hair is not going to be in favor of your theory.

I don't get what people see in world pvp, is that some more acceptable word for ganking?

Cev, you should come play EVE. It is Shadowbane in spaceships =)

Yes.

People like world pvp because they can continously escalate and eventually prove that they have more friends than the other guy. They hate 1v1 pvp because I pwn them constantly and they feel bad about their lives as they cry themselves to sleep.

That's absolutely true about WoW's pvp. You take the horrible honor system out of it and you're looking at a pretty damned good setup mechanics and balance wise. Not perfect, mind you, but good. When people say they dislike WoW's pvp they usually mean they hate the honor system.

I don't think the honor system is really as bad as people think it is..

I didn't say that it wasn't their market. I said they weren't marketing to them as much as the young teens. And that's fucking fact. The GW business model is to grab every single kid that comes in the store, give them a brief demo game while making laser gun noises, and then take kid and parents to the box. Oh my, that box is 70 bucks, the parent might say. Spew some stuff about how dangerous video games are and this is creative. Sell paints.

Independant games stores? You bet. They also don't account for the majority of GW's sales. I can't speak for "back in the day" but as opaque as GW's business model is from the outside it's extremely transparent from the inside. Fuck, I was just some guy being trained for management and I'm getting goddamned future sales battle plans and board meeting rundowns from regional and district manager. The head of GW in the US just waltzes through the stores up and down the east coast telling us all sorts of shit. Contrast that with any other retail job I've ever worked where upper management is just some dude you go bitch to if your store manager tries to give you a hickey.

I'm saying all this not to seem like some insider beardo wank (because I'm not) but to illustrate something. Someone says those screenshots don't look like Warhammer; they look exactly like Warhammer. Someone says that it's just not gritty enough; it's exactly gritty enough. And why? Because Games Workshop does not give two fucks what cool Shadows Over Bogenhafen stuff they did 20 years ago. They don't care if a parent balks at aggressive selling, they don't care if a box of 5 plastic Terminators costs 55 bucks. They care about their IP insofar as it increases their stock and NOT for any sort of artistic integrity.

So, HRose's argument that those screenshots were oh so not gritty enough to match the Warhammer world he became interested in whenever ago doesn't hold water because that world doesn't exist anymore. This game is going to look like the miniatures do because GW sells toy soldiers. They want the synergy going on to get their cut of the game and push more minis.

I'm 28. Why? Are we going to have a retarded argument about who knows more?

Do you seriously not see any difference in the way GW conducts itself now as opposed to 15 years ago? Or a difference in the relation between its sales and design wings? I mean, if you don't, cool... cars used to be big but now they can be small. They're still cars. I'm not certain what company you're looking at, though.

No I don't think so, I just wanted to know you were 13 when I started working for them.

Totally off topic. But when I read this quote, all I could think of was the Comic Book Guy from Simpsons. Try saying the above line in his voice.

Folks,

Nice surprise eh? The PC Gamer story is the main reason I've been so secretive here and why Mythic has revealed so little information about the game until now. Once we found out we were going to get the cover, we keep out big mouths shut (and lord knows that is not easy for me) until the issue hit the stands. It was a bit of a rush to get the story done and other than a couple minor mistakes, they did a really good job on it. I like the PC Gamer folks a lot (and not just because they gave us the cover) and the stand that they have taken against gold farming and companies that participate in it, is one I applaud most heartily. Luckily for us, the troll was too stupid to know that it was being insulted and the the golbins around our area were too small to do anything about it. 

So, some quick notes:

1) Sanya is indeed "THE SANYA, THE GATEKEEPER, SHE OF ALL POWER ON THE INTERNET BEFORE WHOM ALL MUST MAKE OBEISIANCE" and I'm sure you will hear a lot more from her and her people over the coming years.

2) As I promised and warned everyone, WAR != DAoC2 != DAoC. It is it's own beast and what you have read in the article is only part of the story.

3) Server resets only mean that certain parts of the server are reset. No character resets or anything like that. It will work and it will work well I believe. Capturing and sacking a city is not only part of WH lore but it fits well into a game setting. It cannot be easy for a whole host of reasons and it must take place over days. If it was something that could be done easily by a group (even a large group), then server population imbalances, time-zone issues and other such stuff would render such things as those meaningless. By making it more of a campaign, those sorts of things will have less effect on an individual basis. For the core RvR gamer, the idea of being able to sack another side's city (and come away with loot) is something that we have all been waiting for in these types of games.

4) Scenarios are not WoW's BGs (or our BGs for that mater). We need to do a better job than anyone has done to date and we are well down that path.

5) The graphics are not WoW's at all. Keep in mind that the area that PC Gamer was able to see did not lend itself to the kind of darkness or imagination that other areas will. Running around a mountainous area that has been overrun by Greenskins doesn't lend itself to a lot of diversity. Where the differences will really become apparent are in the character customization and in areas like the Elven lands. Keep in mind that the game changes weekly and after their most recent GW visit, the guys were shocked at how much things changed in only a few weeks.

6) I think you guys are spot on when you see it looks like a cross between 5th and 6th edition and the WFB miniatures. That's the look we are going for. We don't want to be as dark as the 6th edition in all areas, nor do we want to be as light as 5th edition (which is a long that WoW is a lot closer to). We wanted our own look for the game and we think we have nailed it so far. As I promised from the beginning we were going to disappoint some people who wanted us to be ultra-dark and some others who wanted us to be a lot lighter (like 5th). We think we have a great look for the game and if we can do with the Elves what we did with the Orcs, I'll be really, really happy.

Well, that's it for now.

Mark

Seldaren,

Actually, the version that PC Gamer saw was a non-optimized version running on a not-so-powerful demo machine (great graphic card, slowish CPU). One of the things that Mythic has never and will never do is play the "phonied up sceenshot game" that some other developers have done. I've spoken up about this over the years and it is something that Mythic stands by 100% What PC gamer saw was the same live version of the game that all the developers get to play on. And let me tell you, it did show a flaw or two but that is to be expected at this point. Our attitude is that we would rather show the magazine a slightly less impression version (when compared to something that was "juiced") from one standpoint but a more impressive version from all other standpoints (live version with lots of people in it). As MMORPG developers we've always felt that being able to show a game that is actually a running game would have more resonance with the magazines and the fans than the other way around. I love it when the reporters say things like "When did you guys start working on this?" and seeing their jaws drop when we tell them the start date. 

Mark

1) The game is still in some quasi-alpha testing state. I'll eat my WoW CDs if that's what it looks like in the end.
2) You didn't say it was a matter of style preference. You said it was not Warhammer.

To which I reply:

Oh, fuck no. HRose. I was told in my first couple posts not to quote people if I was just going to give a small reply. Strange etiquette but not my playground. This is the second time I've been having an epileptic swearing jag and there's been confusion as to who was directing what to who.

See what you have wrought, f13 forum rulers!

2) You didn't say it was a matter of style preference. You said it was not Warhammer.

Warhammer is a fucking SETTING. And it can be rendered in many different *styles*. We have PLENTY of proofs of Warhammer in the cartoonish look, as we have about the much more "violent" and realistic look.

The point is NOT who invented a cartoonish look before. The point is:
1- People would appreciate MUCH more a game looking realistic and that is completely different from WoW, exactly to DISTANCE Warhammer from it instead of looking like a bleached copy. This is what would MAKE SENSE even from a commercial point of view.
2- Mythic doesn't handle this style well. It's a lost battle fighting Blizzard right in their house.

Are you being paid to troll me?

Because you are truly amusing.

Are you being paid to troll me?

Because you are truly amusing.

I think I have mentioned working for GW 3 times in the past 6-7 years here or in various previous forums from ltm, it's certainly not something I'm proud of.  I'm used to "retarded" being used in general conversation but saw no need for the "Downs" comment, also the "head wound" comment at a time when he didn't actually disagee with me on anything.  HRose at least attempts to back his points up.

stuff

Again, you are a fucking idiot.

WOW was ripped off directly from Warhammer. These designs are vintage Warhammer. Thus, it isn't WoW they are ripping off, but the style of the license which just happened to have been ripped off by Warcraft.

As to other things, you can expect that we'll be looking at other rulesets for the game. I've run alternate rulesets in online games for decades and I think that the stuff we did in DAoC is just a goof jumping off point (though some thought that the jumping off point was a cliff) for what we want to do in the future. We want, as well as lots of different things to throw into our RvR design to make it even more interesting for the players. All sorts of ideas are on the table and we're always open for more, especially at this point. As to the screenies being a little bright, I can understand why some people think that but I also remind the group that this is just one area and we have lots and lots more to do.

The point about Orcs and Chaos crafting is a good one and one we looked at but the problem is that we have to all understand that the Greenskin realm will probably be the least popular of all the realms. People, as a general rule, like to play humans and based on all of the MMORPGs out there, good-looking humans. Depending on what kind of job we do with Chaos, they might be a bit understafffed as well. Thus, we must make sure that we don't take away things from those realms that by doing so, make the realms even more out of balance. My fear with removing such things from those realms is that we would then lose a certain percentage of the population that actually enjoys crafting and would, in the Greenskins and Chaos realms, see a wonderful opportunity because of the lesser number of competiton that they would see there. And while we believe the things we are doing to help ease an expected imbalance will help, I also believe that there is a certain level of imbalance that would be impossible for game systems to even out. The last thing we all want is RvR battles with 10 player-Orcs and 100 player controlled NPCs versus 110 player-humans.

When did people start listening to Hrose at all? Am I the only one who thinks his brand of bullshit is the worst flavored on the internet? He writes a lot, but manages to write oh so little. And yes, I know he's still in the room and can hear me.

Sorry man, I'd welcome the Woodcock back here long before I'd ever invite he who shall not be named.

Awesome!

A guarantee from some guy I've never heard of who knows no more about the game as any of the rest of us.

 :heart:

He's not the WORST flavor. That would be the Furry Who Shall Not Be Named.

But he's certainly on the level of Dr. Smart.

When did people start listening to Hrose at all? Am I the only one who thinks his brand of bullshit is the worst flavored on the internet? He writes a lot, but manages to write oh so little. And yes, I know he's still in the room and can hear me.

Because I have 10,000+ posts and you're still here mean that my opinion holds more water than Lionhunter? I'm just wondering cuz that'd be neat.

Well, he has the "who the fuck are you?" factor going for him.

I'm already decently familiar with your particular derangements so I can know when to ignore you totally/laugh and when to assume you know what you're talking about.

Avatar's are a fad, can't see it catching on.

No way, at least he who shall not be named is guaranteed to launch the message boards into a flame war that will go down in the history books.  When he who shall not be named shows up you are guaranteed entertainment.

Bruce is just annoying and disgusting..

Likewise with grammar?

Ohhhhhhhh.... I think I know. Does it start with the letter after "A" and end in "oo"?

What are you?  The internet police?

Serek Dmart
Serek Dmart
Serek Dmart

There, now he'll come out of the mirror the next time the lights are off and kill us all.

Serek Dmart
Serek Dmart
Serek Dmart

There, now he'll come out of the mirror the next time the lights are off and kill us all.

Q: What are the playable races?
From the lead designer, Big Steve: "Empire/Human, High Elves, Dark Elves, Dwarfs, Orcs, Goblins, Chaos Humans."

What is the biggest problem with current MMOs you hope to fix with WAR?
Action! Logging in and finding there's nothing to do for one reason or another is the most frustrating thing for me. WAR will be a world full of conflict and strife. You can be sure that there will always be a quest to complete, an enemy to kill, or a dragon to slay. Whether you have 10 minutes or 10 hours, you should find quick, yummy action in WAR.

What is the biggest problem with current MMO's you hope to fix with WAR?
When I play a game, it is important that it offers me flexibility in terms of the time commitment needed to have fun. I need to have a rewarding play experience even if I don't have several hours to devote to a play session. Providing an opportunity for time constrained gamers to enjoy a title just as much as those with excess free time is essential to a title's broad appeal.

I had enourmous ammounts of fun with that orc shot today. I show it to someone and tell them they're changing the orc models in Burning Crusade. Not one of them said that that is a different game :)

Why are they calling Warhammer Online....WAR? Isn't WHO a much cooler acronym?

Damn. I thought we where talking about Boogleboo.

Urk. That's rough.