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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=6516741&P=1

3 million turn ins! WTF!

Trick question. How many of those players that will never see that particular raid content will actually be stupid enough to turn in anything from that list?

Anybody who wants rep as apparently you get quite a bit for your effort. Other than that... no thanks.

Btw, thanks for upping the prices on the basic trade goods blizzard. Appreciate it.

150 rep for each 10 tokens you turn-in.  High-level turn-ins like 20 Thorium Bars for alliance give you 10 each time, but low level like Copper Bars only give you 1 after the first turn-in - the first gives you 10.

   Considering it took me an hour and twenty to get 20 Raw Rainbow Albacore from fishing last night, the cooking turn-ins will take the longest on any server.  (When I logged there were 120 Rainbow Albacore that had been turned-in, out of 14000 required.)    Particularly since very few people fish and cook at high enough levels.. well other than hunters.  Hey, who knew they'd be useful for something!

-Just logged in to check.. now at 1180/14000 rainbow, but raptor is 500/20000 and yellowtail is 1880/17000.

For comparison, Thorium is at 6580/24000 and runecloth bandages are at 61020/ 400000.

Now, to amuse myself I checked the Horde Ambassador. (Alliance/ Horde ratio is 4:1 on my server.)

40/10000 Wolf Steaks, 300/ 17000 Yellowtail 40/10000 Salmon
25560/400000 Runecloth Bandages, 2640/ 1800 Mithril and 980/19000 Firebloom.

Ha, this is amusing in a tragic sort of way.  I wonder how many Ubers will be rolling Horde alts and cooking/ fishing / herbing to get the doors open after Alliance completes their stuff.

Mother of fucking god. World of Warcraft is turning into Horizons.

I think that may be overstating it.  There is no shortage of players willing to grind out collection items, and when a server unlocks the content, the players will cheer regardless.  I look forward to trade material prices going up for my flesh-peddling hunter as level 60s with too much money and time pay top dollar for stacks of leather.

Hah, that is a good point.  I shall call this "Revenge of the Casuals."  Oh so sweet...

I can't wait for the first "You should be adding to the cause!!1! not charging me for this stuff!"

Go change your poopsock stinky.

Actually, as a member of one of the few Horde Guilds capable of doing the High End stuff for the AQ gates on my server, the Resources Collection bit is just scratching the surface of what it actually takes to get the gates open  (really REALLY damn good faction tho)

There is a HUGEASS laundry list of quests and the like that must be done for the Brood of Noztdramu (sp?) (Bronze Dragon Flight) in order to open the gates, many of which require retrieving items from such places as BWL, MC, the Stormwind Royal Library (thats right, Horde Raids on Stormwind). and other things, as well as insane grindage to faction up your reputation with the Brood.

A Tale in the Generic Fantacyland.

Yes, that's exactly what it reminded me of. A tale in the fucking desert. Whenever people pine about how games are so grindy because of the focus on combat... While playing ATiTD I had begun to feel the grind and gotten a vague impression of how bad it became at the top-end. I started to make a pyramid for one of those trials. I got like 2 blocks done before running half-way across the world (WTF WHY DOES IT TAKE ME HOURS TO TRAVERSE THE WORLD? WHY?) to pick up a shite-load of limestone I needed for glass. I came across an immense gathering of pyramid blocks. I asked in guild wtf it was for. When they told me it was to make a pyramid of X proportion I just... quit... just logged off like 5 minutes later, cancelled my sub, and never came back.

And they say raiding is catassing.

On top of it being a requirement of mmog'ers to farm in order to get new content.

Blizzard mods are now deleting posts when posters express their disagreement towards catassing.

For the good of everyone of course.

LOL, that blows!  I'm so happy I quit months ago!  GLOAT!

WoW, taking poopsock grinding catassing to all new levels!

I expressed my disagreement in a relatively well thought out, structured post on the general forums and was met with:

"This is the type of World event everyone wanted."

"It brings everyone together."

and the best one:

"1. Marketing 2.Strategy. The longer Blizzard keeps you playing the more money they make."

At least I can come here and read posts where everyone doesn't agree that farming != new content. And I have not gone insane.

I don't see the big deal, if you don't want to grind this, you don't have to.  Just go about your business and eventually the people who want the faction rewards will do it.  "I must have the content, now!" whining doesn't go over well with me.

Whew, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this..

The cooking reqs are going to take for-fucking-ever.  Bandages will get done fast, leather will get done fast, while herbs and metal may go a bit slower.

I fully expect the upper tier raiding guilds to be ready to go way before the materials are gathered.  Then, the casuals will make a killing or you're going to see MC night turn into The Great Salmon Fish-Off.  Here's a hint, high end raid guilds are swimming in cash.

This event doesn't bother me either way.  I'm in no hurry for the new content and I got some free faction and a couple nice green items for clearing out some space in my bank.  And now when my rogue goes farming, I can use the cloth for more free shit. 

I just pitty the person actually trying to buy materials for like... crafting.  You're screwed until this is done, buddy.

When the "world changing" content is available is largely immaterial.  Artificial, cockblocky bullshit as a way to encourage force me to appreciate the "world changing" content more doesn't make that artificial, cockblocky bullshit fun for me.

Gloating about how artificial and cockblocky it is, now that's fun!

Because wanting to explore and experience a new addition to the game in a facet you enjoy the moment it is actually made and live is crazy-think, right? It's fortunate I rerolled a new server or I'd be pissed off having the whole raiding game on farm-status except for the one dungeon that isn't yet open because the server hasn't cooked enough yellow-fucking-tail. I can ignore massive grinds out there because I don't need them. My timbermaul faction is "Unfriendly" because getting the faction isn't some giant cockblock to the content I actually enjoy. But if I was on my old server? What would I have left for PVE? 5-mans? Done em all to death. ZG? Cleared and on farm status for ages. MC? Cleared and on farm status for ages. Onyxia? Please. BWL? Still relatively new, challenging and quite fun, but also cleared atm. AQ? Well I've never been there, shounds fun... oh but wait, the server hasn't ground up 800k linen bandages yet!

Fuck that noise. If you're gonna give me something new and fun, don't make me wait forever to access it or force me to do boring shit I otherwise avoid to access it sooner.

EDIT: I didn't bitch when MC was the only raid going forEVER and I wanted to hurl every time I saw a molten giant. I can respect that content can't just be magically summoned up and ready for me as soon as I run out of new shit to do. I can have patience there. I just object to everything being done and there, but Blizz going out of their way to make us wait for it for no good reason (from my perspective).

Oh it's a huge cockblock, to be sure.  In that sense it sucks donkey balls. However, at least it only needs to be done once, and not once for each person in the raid, like the EQ cockblocks.  Plus, down the line it'll give vets something to talk about, it's a 'world moment' even if it's a grindy/ farmy one.  Some of you should be eating this shit up with a spoon.

I expect to make some decent lewtz off of this.  Linen is selling for 1g-2g a stack right now and Runecloth is up from 2g top to 7-8g.  I don't care much about the faction, since all you get is another race's mount (whee?) I'm just wondering how long before folks realize they need to be fishing and herbing not just farming cloth/ leather/ minerals.

In my experience, crafters without access to their own resource gathering (either by having the appropriate gathering skill, or having an alt or a guildmate with the skill) have pretty much always been touch-and-go.  I suspect that people who really want to craft have resource gathering covered and won't be too affected.  Nodes will probably get camp-assed for a while, we'll have to see how it pans out I guess.

I also agree with the "meh" crowd in terms of the effect on the game.  Casuals can keep doing what they're doing and in most cases can even cash in.  In fact if you were specifically trying to figure out how to re-distribute wealth more evenly across the server population, this might be what you came up with. 

The funny thing about the cooking requirements is that they added the schools of fish at the same time.  It took me about an hour to catch 20 Yellowtails (I actually enjoy fishing while chatting with others), but fishing in debris and the schools will net someone far more useful catches.  75 Darkspear faction (all I got for 10 signets) and a green item worth a couple of gold for all that time is nothing compared to what I can get if I focus on deviates, firefin, blackmouth or the higher-end fish, especially with the new schools,  once I reach that level of skill.

Copper bars shot up to a minimum of a gold a stack on the auction house.  And they moved Grizzlin whom I have yet to find again. :cry:

If cockblockery upsets you, you're in the wrong game.  The whole end game in WoW is cockblockery.

The uberguilds will bust this out in a month or 2 and it won't matter any more until the next raid dungeon.

This only really cockblocks a few uberguilds that have completely worn through the old content.

Clean up Britannia!

I think the important thing here is that it's a bad way to make people do something. It pangs of "We're not creative...


...so we stole the idea directly from Horizons."

Yea, I'm gonna keep harping on that. As WoW players, you fuckers should be insulted to the core.

I always considered the act of insulting WoW players to be your job, in between playing and quiting EQ2.    :mrgreen:

Schild does the hard work so we don't have to.


He's like Flash.

Insulting WoW players is just too easy now. Collecting fish to open up more high level content? Comeon. Material like that writes itself.

I did a handful of turnins for faction and random greens. Eh. Looks like AQ is gonna be closed for a bit. Oh well, let the catassers cry over not being able to get a new stack of epics until they cook enough fish.

On the upside, I needed to do Scholomance, and there are 5-mans and raids for it forming all over the place to get that better soul shard bag.

I feel the same way. Im not going to grind my ass off. But I will probably do some of the turn ins to finish off my Orgrimmar rep, and also, you can make a SHIT TON of gold doing this correctly. You get a green item (maybe a blue?) every time you do a turn in also, that can sell for 1 to 6 gold. Maybe more if you get a good one and put it on the AH.

Well, I always assume most crafters have the corresponding gathering skills. I've always ended up needing to supplement from the AH, specifically because I've always done mining related trades.   

But looking at it closer and being a tad less reactionary on my part,  it'll probably only be mining related crafting that will take a noticable hit with mithril, copper and tin being too expensive and nodes are easily camped.   Leatherworkers can always find stuff to skin, they just won't be able to supplement as well.   Tailors will just have to go farm their own cloth because buying will be prohibitively difficult for mageweave and runecloth. Noob alchemists may find a ghost wolf'd shaman running towards their peacebloom.

Eh, the world will keep turning, I guess.  Just with more farming and fishing.

The thought of getting DKP for fishing.. mmm...

That's the kind of shit would get a motherfucker stabbed, and rightly so.

I wonder how many threads of the day will come out of this "event" I'll post anything good that comes of the Arch boards but I doubt any of it will be great, I kind of respect my server at times.

So far everyone on my server is working together, a fellow Hordie is posting the stats daily, and people are making alts to mail mats around that each side need/doesn't need.  It's really actually pretty darn cool to see the people I pvp against every night working togethe to get this thing unlocked.  Overall it does have the feeling of a big war drive.  The feeling I'm getting out of it so far is festive.

Ohh wait, BAD BLIZZARD BAD BAD BLIZZZARD.  Whew, I almost lost my "cool" status for a second there.

This is cool.  Nice to hear that some good can come out of otherwise pointless cockblockery.

It's a totally lame world event. But considering one of the turn-in items is runecloth bandages i gave it a try to check out the rewards. Got a box with a pair of lvl 52 +17 stam +15 Str mail pants and a blue Julie's Dagger which i sold for 49g. So, um, i'll be turning in lots of runecloth. I get a tonne of the shit anyway.

You are surprised that World Event in a FARMING game involves FARMING?

A world event? No. A world event that is a requirement to access unrelated content people might actually enjoy? Yes. And Cevik, what if every server had to go thorugh this to open up the BGs? Would you still be on your "STFU catasses" trip then? Yea make a huge event involving farming, whatever, I don't care. It's when you link it to an intirely different aspect of the game that it gets stupid.

Seriosuly, I cannot for the life of me understand you people at this point in time. Nowhere previous has blizz require you to do any farming to access dungeons. So I don't see where the "you are surprized? Zomgz lololol" comments are coming from. Yea I can farm up shitloads of rep/runecloth/whatever to get access to items that do not otherwise impede my game - things I avoid doing because I can. The largest cockblocks in the game previously were not only rather small by comparison, but all involved either running a dungeon or killing specific mobs. LBRS doesn't have a "insert 10000 runecloth plz" key vending machine.

Catasses? I'm sorry. It seems the lines have been blurred somewhat. Since when was 3-4 hours a day, 4-6 days a week for only a couple weeks to learn a dungeon (IF you go at it hard). Then 4-6 hours a WEEK doing that dungeon afterwards "catassing"? Catassing in my mind is so much time spent that you neglect other aspects of your life to rediculous levels. I'm sorry if you happen to work such crazy-long hours that you can't fit in that much time during the very busiest periods of raiding, for you it would have to be catassing I guess. For the rest of us we can easily make that time and still clean up the kitty-litter. Catasses in this game grind pvp rank. All other aspects require much much less time than "catassing". Also, it's not all about the epix, it's about exploring new content and having fun raiding said content. I realise some people, perhaps even most people do not enjoy raiding, new content or otherwise. Why is it so hard for you to realise that some people DO?

I guess my view makes me "cool", huh? Nice. I was just expressing a point of view I happened to hold, but this coolness factor is certainly a bonus. Thanks for indirectly insulting me for expressing a view you don't hold personally. Appreciate it.

AQ is for guilds who are mostly done with BWL, wether the new zones where opened with the patch or opened two months from now will affect about .01% of the population.  Im in a guild that farms MC up to domo and is trying onyxia, as it is we almost never can fit in zg raids so having two more new zones wouldn't really help us at all.  Im just happy i can turn in my runecloth and get more money than i could before, i don't feel like im being cockblocked from anything.

I wasn't aware that AQ was supposed to be beyond BWL in terms of loot and difficulty.

From what I've overheard it's supposed to start off easier than MC and by the end be the hardest instance in the game. Who the fuck knows. At this point I get the feeling that this time next year they'll have a dungeon the server has to deposit 3 million heavy stones into "door weights" every month just to keep the fucking thing open in order to spam hotkeys at an infinately oversized kobold model. But it's coveralls will be a different color than normal. And he'll drop some faggy candle that's a 2-handed mace with +40 int, +60 to damage/heals, and reveals all stealthers. Of, and it has a fire DOT effect. There, I just gave you your next instance, you stupid cunty Blizzard raid designers...

Oh, and only the top 200 stone-adders each month can enter. Everyone else gets cockblocked for not being l33t liek teh h4rdc0r3.

I'd find it weird if AQ was tougher than BWL overall since there's a 20-manner attached to it. What the hell is the point of the 20-man AQ if you need MC/BWL gear not to die in 40-man version? Is it a bone thrown to the semi-hardcore or people who have things to do in real life?

That's the thing though. "It only affects .1%" can be used as a thing against putting it in. But once it's there, it doesn't matter how many people it affects, it's still shitty to cockblock it like this. Would it be any less shitty if such an event was tied to DM when it came out? No, it would just affect more people.

Just for the sake of argument on catass/casual:

I figure if a person works and sleeps as "standard" (40 hours worked, 8 hours a night slept.)  Plus, a person spends reasonable time eating and taking care of personal hygiene along with other misc. activities (travel to work and back, excercise, etc.) they have a total of around 50 hours of free time per week.

How people spend that 50 hours is the key. 

10%(5 hours) - Ultra Casual, don't expect to ever see the inside of a raid instance and might have one lvl 60 char.
25%(12 hours) - Casual, make 60 fairly quick and get into some raids that other people set up. Has an alt for something "different."
50%(25 hours) - MMOG Gamer, several 60 alts and sets up and attends raids at least twice a week.
75%+(37 hours+) - Catass, Maxed out 60 alts and runs or helps run raiding guild/s.  Raids at least once a night.

If you don't have a job, you can shift this in the logical direction.  If you have family (kids especially) you can shift it the other way.

If you're a workaholic and find it hard to find time to play games, stop trying.  You have work to do!

Super clear now eh???  Yes, I pulled this out of my ass. 

I think that's a pretty decent way to define it, since it also applies to high school kids who are at school from 7-3ish or whatever. In fact, that's a really good way to work out the math. I've gone from total catass to ultra casual in about 2 years. But does that say something about the genre or the industry as a whole? I still probably spend about 40 hours a week playing various games. It's just a matter of what's on the platter every day.

I understand that you are pissed, but you are misdirecting your anger at me.  I made two statements.  The first was basically:  "if you think the world event sucks, pretend the patch is still on hold and don't do the event.  No one is forcing you to turn in all that heavy leather you were going to vendor anyways."  The second was basically "You guys are saying this isn't a 'world' event and that everyone is pissed, but on my server it's sorta nifty to see everyone work together."

I have another statement now:  Holy Shit I love this event.  I've gotten more greens in a night of skinning/mining than I've probably seen in the ENTIRE DAMN GAME.  All the crap I sold to vendors before turned into enough green items to equip every lowbie in my guild.  And that was only one night of farming, I hope this thing goes on for months.  Sorry about all you l33t raiders not getting your new content (suggestion:  go play with the other 4 dungeons you've gotten since release).  I'm loving this, turn shit into moolah!

Now you can be pissed at me.

Yea I'm using the event too. I had a bunch of runecloth I was gonna turn into items to DE into dust/essences and use/sell. Turned it into rep and profit instead. I'm also raising fishing for that ZG boss and cooking cause I might as well, the turnins are making it much more profitable and more exciting by adding some randomness and actual reward beyond stoneskin eels. The event itself is actually pretty nifty and quite a nice little earner. Being linked to the opening of a dungeon still sucks tho. :P

Yeah, the problem I'm having is, do I really want to keep turning this stuff in for rep, or would I rather start selling it in the AH for 10x the normal price so some other loser can turn it in for rep? :)

I found some alliance required herbs and put them up in Everlook for an outrageous markup.  Sold. 

 :-D

That is one upside.  The casuals can profit from the catasses.

I cry because you didn't listen to me. :cry:

I listened  :-D  Some night elf just posted on the boards that he'll be putting up cheap wool on the neutral AH.  I plan on buying it and reselling it on the horde AH.  Should net a nifty profit.  :thumbs_up:

As silly as the ammounts required are I will give them this. This is by far and away the easiest way to get max rep with any of the main factions. This is good for those who want to use the AV goat or just buy a mount of one of the other races a lot quicker than the old cloth hand ins.

I was getting 75 faction per 10 of those commendations and handing in rune cloth is super easy. I am guessing the rune cloth stuff will top out fast and people will then migrate to the harder to farm stuff. Having blow that much thorium though is very annoying hehe cry makes my leveling up blacksmithing impossible at the moment as its to hard to get the quantities I need at the prices people are charging now.


kaid

I think it's cool to have a major world event that is based upon gathering, despite the fact that one of my guildies is a fucktard who yells at everyone to constantly farm ('trying to get to 60? NO EXCUSES! trying to get requirements for Ony? NO EXCUSES! ALL MUST FARM LINEN!").  But then, I suspect this guy is the sort of person who is available 24/7 to take down whatever raid bosses show up whenever they show up.  So I ignore him quite easily.

I'm on a crowded pvp server (alliance overpopulating horde) and the cooperation between the realms is pretty cool to see.  Earlier today I was killing dinos in Un'goro so a horde mage could skin them.  The emoting was quite funny sometimes.

The AV Goat, you mean the Alterac Valley mount?  We can't get AV/AB/WSG rep with these turn ins can we?  If so I can easily be exalted in each of those by the end of this (holy crap, epics for all!).  Surely I'm not understanding something here, I only saw UC/Og/TB reps, are there places to turn in for AV/AB/WSG?!?!!?!?

I don't think there are..

Still, what good is rep in other cities? I keep hearing 'rep rep rep, yay rep' but I'm not seeing a benifit to me.  I like my cat on my NE and my horse on my Human.  If I wanted any of the others I'd have done runecloth turn-ins before this. There some special quests I'm missing here, or is it just another mill to grind?

Still, it's given me an excuse to fish again, and I hit 225 finally while going after albacore last night. Glee.

You're actually getting fishing skill ups? Wow.

I think it's just an issue with noob tradeskill levels, not sure. I've gotten skillups on everything I've tried to raise so it may just be that I've gotten lucky.  I'm not doing the artisan fishing quest quite yet, though, so I won't be able to see if getting flagged for a new level hoses me or not.

Levelled first aid last night from 267 to 300 with my warrior.

Maybe my shaman would be fine with fishing then.  My rogue had maybe 30+ casts at beginning skill and didn't budge.

See, phat loots heal all wounds.

No you cannot get Av/Wsg faction from these turn ins but I believe in order to ride the AV mount you have to know goat riding. And to do that you need I believe exhalted faction with ironforge unless you are already a dwarf.


kaid

Damn, I'm ohh so close to finishing ab with my priest, and to getting honored with my lock in wsg, that I was thinking "yay, I can get all the factions up this week if I try!"

I was listening.  I was also agreeing.

:)

Can anyone confirm this?

Where were you fishing at?

Fishing is different from other tradeskills in that you can actually fail at it, and not every cast is a skillup.  This is initially why they gave it those great loot tables, until someone figured out how to macrofish.

If you're just starting out you need to fish in the noob area.  I learned fishing in Darkshore as a NE, but couldn't get a skillup for the life of me until someone told me I had to start out in Darnassus.  Sure enough I was getting a skillup per successful catch after that, up until 100 skill.  Then it became every 2 casts, then shortly thereafter every 3-4 and sometime around 175 you're getting random skillups.  +Fishing Lures help a lot and there's a few faqs around with the level of each zone and what fish they drop.

Shit almost forgot, here is the new and improved catass-0-meter:

http://www.m3arts.com/aqdata/index.php

Isn't Khaz Modan a couple day old server? They already have 21,000+ turn ins? They will no doubt win.

WTF happened to the server we were on - Earthen Ring?

Orgrimmar. A place where I was actually catching fish.

Not true, night elf on a goat here and i never needed ironforge faction.  You also dont need horse riding for the undead horse mount that drops from baron in strath, or raptor/tiger riding for the raptor and tiger that drop in ZG.  You DO need tiger riding to ride the tigers from wintersprings though.

Wow, my piece of shit server is on top!

The entertaining thing about this, is you poor bastards are whining and complaining about the War Effort event, when in reality, the Catassery doesent even BEGIN there.  Incase you didnt know, your server could turn in 0 mats and eventually the War Effort would complete itself.  The server NPC's are out there slowly gathering resources, and every once in a while it will accrue stuff on its own.

The REAL Catassery is from the poor top end raiding guilds who are competing to be the first ones to open the Gates.
NOTE: Even if the War Effort is complete, the gates wont open.  The War Effort resource gathering is simply to Equip and Prepare the NPC army who will help deffend against the enraged swarms when the Gates actually open.

The raiding guilds trying to open the gate must first earn (on ONE character) Friendly reputation with the Bronze Brood.  You start out at FULL HATED.  You get 1 reputation point for every turnin of an item (only able to be seen by characters deputized to help) which drops off of the elite Silithids in Silithus (think of it as similar to a Scourge stone).  Since they drop at around 1-4 per mob, that means you have to kill 30-40 THOUSAND of them, all the while makeing sure someone who can loot the item is there to pick them up and pass them to your Rep Bitch.

And you thought Timbermaw faction was a cockblock.

And after you hit friendly, they smack you with a string of 10-15 raid level quests that will require you do do MC, BWL, Darnassus, Stormwind, and god knows what else raids.  Sometimes on timers (one, i think, requires a Broodlord - Neff kill in under 5 hours).

Hell, the War effort is actually an AWESOME idea, since it A: Gives you faction, B: gives you loot which can be cashed in or sent to twinks, and C: is TOTALLY OPTIONAL, unless you want to get the gates open faster.

Well, I'm disappointed to report that the catass who told me to stop levelling and farm linen is tacitly supported by the guild officers.  It seems that while I was gone (6 months) the guild underwent a rather interesting metamorphosis from people who had played one game together well to a completely catassed-out-the-ass guild.  In other words, I am a very small minority.  (I even got booted today briefly for daring to tell the catass to stop telling me how to play - the guy's not even an officer). 

Ah well.

I fail to understand why Blizzard is falling into the trap that has snagged others - providing elite content for the 5% of ubers who don't have jobs or families.  Why why why?  The disparity in equipment between those without jobs or other rl commitments and those with is just silly.  Who designs these things anyway? 

I want to play a game that's designed by a 30- or 40-something person with a couple of kids and a job, not a 20 something person with neither.

Not anymore.

My server jumped from 56th, to 70th, to 12th to 75th over the last.. uhmm.. 5 minutes.  Not quite sure if this thing is working properly.

It's somewhat interesting as a game mechanic, but less interesting as a game experience. It's worth noting that the gates
will open even if no one does anything, so it's no forced as such. In addition there are some non-raid quests that become
accessible and the content being exposed has already been tested so everyone knows what they are getting.

As for Khaz'modan being high I believe that's the server on which new character creation is disabled for a while but character
transfer from three overpopulated realms is allowed. So I wouldn't be surprised it has a lot of power-gamers now.

I'll be looking forward to the next stage in the process, if any, but I prize my time to heavily to actually farm for it.

And therin lies the problem.  The people who design these things are young people with shitloads of time who also think this stuff is fun.  While I enjoy raiding, and WOW is fairly friendly in terms of time commitment it's still ass for folks who don't like it.  It's only made worse when you're in a guild situation like yours. 

I hate that if you want to succeed you have to deal with asshats, politics, or both. I want to play a game, not run a kindergarten.

I haven't had that problem.  I bounced around a number of guilds until I found one that fit me, however.  It's meant that I didn't get into MC as early as everyone else, and BWL is a ways off but I really couldn't give a rat's ass about being 'first'.

That's part of the beauty of 40-man-max raids. You can't just zerg content so there's no incentive to invite every single 60 priest/ mage out there and hose everyone else.  As a result there's a significantly higher number of guilds with the people required to do the endgame stuff than there were in EQ.  My EQ server had 2 guilds able to do Plane of Sky until Luclin, my WoW server has at least 4 working on BWL, and about 8 more doing MC just on the Alliance side.

You run your own WoW server?!

Thats what stinks about the current farming spectacular. Up till now WoW raiding for the most part has been very time friendly. I have a job, a wife, and tons of rl commitments, but had no problem not just participating in top end content, but even worldwide firsts without ever committing more than 15-20 hrs/week to it, and under 10/hrs a week in recent months. Character progression and top end gear was determined solely by your guild's ability to actually figure out and kill top-end shit. I ended up enjoying it a lot, and my guild, which was never supposed to be any kind of uber guild but rather a reunion guild for the players of an old text MUD, ended up being one of the top guilds in the game

Now everything has been turned on its head, and to progress to the crap that we do want to do, we need to get through a massive cockblocky very unfun time sink. Which sucks, and reminds me of EQ, and is enough to get people like me cranky enough to start bitching at guild slackers not helping to get this lousy crap over with. Such things were never necessary before.


Wow that sounds like me. Wait, I think it actually is! :evil: I see you! Get off this damn message board and back to farming linen. I don't want to have to farm any longer than necessary!

OMFG, it IS you!!!

 :mob:

Now that's funny.

 :heart:

See the farming linen, all that it doesn't matter because as previously mentioned NPCs are doing it themselves. If you wait long enough, the gates will open on their own, farming just means they'll open sooner.  Folks bitching about it are bitching just because they want it NOW.

The rep stuff I understand you can do after the gates open like they wer on the test server.  For comparison I read that one kill inside is worth 100 rep vs 1 kill being worth maybe 2-3 rep from drops on the outside.  If I were running a guild I'd personally say fuck it, let someone else have the "omg I opened it" glory and continute normal BWL/MC runs until the gates opened and we could get some tangible faction for everyone, not just one guy up to friendly.

But EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE GAME IS WORKING ON THIS.  EVERYONE.  EVERY SINGLE PERSON.  EVERYONE. EVERYONE.  In other words, you have nothing to do at all.  You can literally stop playing right now, and come back in 3 months when this stupid shit is unlocked and it will make NO DIFFERENCE, it will be unlocked at the same general time no matter what (in the grand scheme of things, your 2000 rugged leather over the next 3 months is worthless).

This is hardly a big fucking deal.  Just walk away and forget about it.  Come back when it's unlocked.  It's not like EVERY guild or EVERY character has to go through this grind.

The whining has gotten obnoxious.

Check out Win your dream date with Fires of Heaven (http://www.fohmembers.org/aq/contest.html).  I think it's a neat approach to mobilizing the unwashed masses, a good carrot for some out there - particularily the uber-guild worshipping folks who may have rolled on that server in the first place because of FoH.   

I quit.

I rolled up alliance on their server... Just to kill them.

I have no problem with that, and I dont see why anyone else would.  It is a pretty nifty idea if you ask me.

Is this where the game's going then ?


This whole patch stinks of corpse.  How can it be doing so well in the marketplace and stink of corpse ?

Because the pissing and moaning is worse than the reality of it?  I don't see anyone in game quitting over this on any level.

Maybe its old-fashioned of me, but raids are supposed to be epic encounters between powerful protagonists and great forces of evil.  Not shopping sprees through Loots R Us. 

Its a brazen workaround to the BoP system, which is supposed to make people work for their gear and without which FoH could just offer purple gear to the winner of this perverse contest.

EDIT:  purple, not blue...

No, neither do I.  I'm not seeing much pissing and moaning either.   I'm just mulling over the direction it's taken.

Yes, you can have new content.  Yes, you can have it after you've finished your chores.  Go and find me runecloth and then mageweave and then tidy your room.  Maybe then I'll let you into the new instances.  AND NOT A MOMENT SOONER YOUNG MAN !

This is not why I play games.  *Sniff*  Corpse.

Except it's ideal for 99% of the population:

Blizzard:  Hey casuals, ye of not enough money to buy the rare drop purps from china, and without a guild large enough to do the 40 mc runs required to get uber lewtz.  Yes ye, 99% of the population.  You know that crap you normally vendor because it's not even worth trying to sell at the AH?  We deem it so that the uberz will want to pay outrageous amounts of money for your "trash" items they laughed at you for trying to sell before.

Casuals:  Oh, verily!

What's funny is how much shit Blizzard gets away with, only for being Blizzard. And while I'm not playing any mmo at the moment, I find myself watching Starcraft and Warcraft replays. DAMN YOU BLIZZARD!!!!

I should get a console...

Really who fucking cares?

I dont really like WoW, but people I like play it so I play along.  WoW has a ton of problems, BG's are stupid, rep grinds are stupid, raiding is fairly stupid.

But big server wide events are not stupid.  Its fun, there are so many rumours flying around right now about cut scenes when you get your rep to friendly from hated and some magical staff that needs to be assembled by raiding capital cities.  Nobody know wtf is going on, thats cool and its pretty fun.

I am going to turn in copper and iron because I have an alt that needs his mining leveled anyways, I'll also try to turn in one of everything for the initial turn in bonus rep.  But its not going to impact my playtime, I'm not going to change my playstyle or habits to participate.

The only thing that is even fair to bitch about is that some people want their AQ 20-man NOW!!!  Cry me a fucking river are you kidding me?  We dont even know what is going to happen yet.  I'll be dissapointed I'm sure, but for now just give it a goddamn rest.

In a perfect world, at 25% turn-ins we would see a horde and alliance fortress starting to be built to house the army for when the gates are open.  As the turn-ins progress the fortress' would take shape and npc spawns would be added.  When the quest is complete hopefully there will be a huge npc battle or something equally epic.  Realistically I'm sure it will be much more dissapointing, but for now I'll hold out a little hope.  No matter what capital raids sound cool so even if that is the only non cock-blockery involved in this whole affair I'll be pleased with it.

Bottom line:  I'm sorry you need to wait for your 20-man instance.  I'm sorry that DIKU-clones still rule the earth and one type of grind or another is the only thing devs can think of to make us happy.  But really pretending that somehow this turn in thing is having a huge negative impact on your enjoyment of the game is a fairly weak argument.  As someone who wishes MMO's were more virtual world less DING+1 I prefer the current situation to them just adding in instantly raidable content on patch day. 

*mods stealth editing eh?  Somebody who doesn't even play the game was so upset with this post they needed to toss something in?*

What are they getting away with?  Some post-patch issues?  Thats hardly new.   Totally optional grinding that gives good rewards to anyone who bothers and which triggers a world event?  They have 5 million people paying money to grind skills and levels a la Diku, but this is the last straw?

Please.

Man I miss the old days of pvp muding when the insult "Diku Clone" actually had meaning.

Last straw for me was a couple of months ago. That's just another straw. What I'm trying to say is why have the optional grind at all? Couldn't they think of something that would make everyone feel that they're participating, that doesn't involve collecting a ridiculous amounts of linen, wool and copper? My pals that are still playing tell me the higher portion of the event, the one that starts from Chromagus in BWL is frigging kick ass and filled with lore. They obviously can do better than this, why have the grind at all? I have nothing against bugs, it's a pretty big patch, bugs will be present. I just don't like the "We need supplies for the war effort! Go get me 10,000 daisies!!1" portion.

Anything they came up with would requires TONS of repetition or it would be deemed "too exclusive".  When there are millions of players you HAVE to make the required repetitions HUGE or you're going to end up with the inevitable "the 'world' event sucked because the FoH guys were organized and read the internet first and knew just what to do and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I never had a chance to participate. FEEEL SORRRRRYYY FOR MEEE!!!!1!!  I COMMAND YOU!!!!!!"

So.. what can they do?  Come up with a quest to kill X number of mob Y?  (WAAAAAAHHHH NOW MOB Y IS CAMEPD BY THE FOH GUYS ALL THE TIME!!! THIS EVENT SUCKS!! IT'S UNFAIR!!!!).  Come up with a quest to collect X number of Item Y? (Hey, that's what they did.. see your current complaints).  Tell you you have to do some 40 man raid? (ohh I'd love to see the gnashing of teeth at that one).  Say that anyone who wants to access the content needs to get a key and give a series of quests for that? (ROFLMAO, go read the onyxia key quest thread from angry.bob to see how fucking retarded you'd get over that).  What are they supposed to do?  A series of quests that require particpation from everyone at every skill level?  Hey that's what they did and you even hate that.  It's a fucking game, the point is to play the goddamned game and have fun.  Jesus the bitching has gone overboard.

That would mean something if Gold wasn't worth precisely dick.

Means a lot to me, I need underworld bands, epic mounts for multiple characters, lots of different purps I want to buy.  I'll take ANY gold you want to get rid of, just send it my way.

How about just let us in? Why is it ok for them to make content, put it online, and then say you can't have it yet? Why is it not ok for people to want to have access to content once it is made and online? It's not some major catastrophy, I'm not gonna quit over it, nor would I even if I was still in my BWL guild. But just because it's not terribly terribly wrong does not mean it's okay.

Like I said, what if AQ was a really fun 5-man dungeon and a new BG? Would you guys still be ok with not being able to access completed and online content if it was you who had to wait?

"Just wait a few months and it will be open!" What. The. Fuck. It's made. It's online. Why should people have to wait months to access a new aspect of a game they pay for when it is already made? There's no reason for it at all.

I had to grind from lvl 1 to 50 to get to AV, and I have to be at least 20 to get into ab.  I'm used to having content unlocked as I progress in the game.  In fact, I have yet to play a (fun) game where every bit of content existed from day one.

But even then, it's a game, either play it and have fun, or don't.  If you aren't having fun unlocking the new content, then either ignore it, or play a different game.  I see no difference between NOW when you can't access the content and LAST WEEK when you.. couldn't access the EXACT same content.  And there is no difference between NOW when you can't access the content, and LAST MONTH when you also could not access the content.

No, I do not see where your gripe is coming from.  It sounds a lot like my 2 year old whining because he doesn't have his waffle RIGHT NOW even though he just ate dinner.

But for raiding guilds right now breakfast was hours ago, and the waffle is cooked and on the table already. Now they're being told they can't have it until they stand on their head and sing the national anthem 20 times.

Also it doesn't actually matter to me personally. We're just clearing ZG until our lvl 50s get to 60 so we can do the 40-man raids. It will be a while before I run out of content.

Maybe think of something that would involve... *GASP* WORLD PVP? Allow people to temporaryly join the Cenarion Hold Armed Forces and the Twilight's Hammer Spearatists or something and let them duke it out around the world. Have objectives all around the world. You don't have a 60 yet? Let me quote you on that one "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" - sit on your fucking ass and get one. I mean who hasn't got a 60 by now? I'm no designer, I'm not even playing wow anymore - All im saying is - there IS a way to make that event better for everyone. You want repetitive? Cool, tie the lower portion of the event with some lower instance. Isn't the point summoning Eranikus right about the end, make people go to Sunken Temple and fight his shade. Having to collect 10,000 fish, IMO, is the worst way out. It's unimaginative and uncreative. Something I wouldn't expect out of Blizzard when I started playing the freaking game and sucked 50 people with me.

I don't.  I left a 53 horde rogue on one server to go play on another server where I now have a 53 alliance hunter (that I left 6 months ago at 48 when I stopped playing).  And I was crying because a guildie told me to stop levelling and go collect.

Collecting doesn't bother me, in fact, I think it's neat because every level can help out.  (I'm not going to stop levelling, however, that's just stupid).  I'm looking forward to this event, and I think it's groovy to have an event that everybody can help with.

Surely there are little folks on your server that you can buy goods from, and then sell the greens back on the AH, if you're all done with all the other content/raiding and have seen everything and are all kitted out and so on.  That helps out the little levels who really have no reason to turn in, but they surely need gold.

But if you hate it, then don't do it at all.  The gates will open eventually. 

And if you're bored, hey, take a break.  It's the best way to start to enjoy a game that feels grindy (and what game doesn't either feel grindy or get boring?  I'm talking in reality here, not the made up games we all have in our heads).

Actually, I've also enjoyed the event.  Linen cloth is now worthless to me, but I've been able to grind out linen bandages, turn 'em in, and get some decent items for my level.  I've also been turning in commendations for equipment rather than for reputation, so I've gotten some good stuff, and what I can't use I sell in the AH.

Hell, I was never going to see the new content anyway since I'm perpetually playing alts in lowbie land, so this event has worked out great for me.

Ha ha...farming is a "world event."

Look at yourselves people!

You know what would be an awesome "world event."? Everyone has to type "she sells sea shells down by the sea shore" into chat, and after 10 million times that opens a dungeon.

As far as creating good world events - that's what these people get paid for. It's possible. It might require a little imagination but it's possible. This is basically the single easiest thing they could think of. "Hey get that intern to spend a couple minutes coding up our world event!"

Seriously do you even play? Silithus has turned into a fucking war zone.  At least on my server theres ten times the world pvp there was before this patch, pvp guilds are having a fucking field day with this.  So far theres been an overwhelmingly POSITIVE result from the War Effort.

Fun fact for Horde farming: you can fish whitescale salmon in Alterac Valley.  Yes, you can ignore the inept pickup group's attempt at winning the battleground while you happily fish and rack up frostwolf faction at the same time. All in an area that rarely gets bothered even when the other team is about to win!

It's double plus good when someone starts bitching about it. 

I did get to heckle the people doing the world spawn.

(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1976/wowscrnshot0108061852462us.jpg)

This event reminds me of how ATItD works.  Bring stuff to a central location and it unlocks something.

EDIT: I really should drink my coffee and get my brain working before even trying to post anything here.  I hate it when I post something already posted on page 1 of the thread. 

World PVP would be the MOST exclusive thing they could have done.

No, I don't have a 60 yet, I could easily and I'm not whining about not having a 60 (my 56 kills many a 60 in World PVP anyways, I have no fear of including my 56 shadow priest in pvp).  But in my guild there are 4 of us maybe, that pvp regularly.  The rest rarely, if ever pvp, and would NEVER participate in an event that had every lvl 60 Field Marshal out one shotting people in world pvp.  On my entire friends list there are probably another 4 people who pvp regularly.  Out of all the people I know, maybe 15 total would enjoy an event that was pvp (and I would be one of them).  The rest would think it's the most absurd thing they've ever heard.

I pray, literally pray to a God I do not even believe in, but I PRAY that they make part of this event World PvP.  If there is ANY justice in the world, one of the stages of the event will involve World PVP.  The whining and gnashing of teeth around THIS VERY MESSAGE BOARD will be SO GODDAMN CRAZY that it will create an internet singularity, in which the entire fucking internet will simply cease to HAVE EVER EXISTED.  This sheer density of whining will make the internet not only poof into non-existence, but our very memories of the internet will simply vanish.  No more will I ever have to have listened to your absurd notion THAT any event in a MMOG EVER should EVER have involved PvP.

Just getting to post once in the "WORST SCREWUP EVAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!!!! I WAS ONE SHOTTED BY A FIELD MARSHAL!!! BLIZZARD WANTS TO EAT OUR BABIES!!!" topic that would inevitably get started on this board would please me so greatly.

ETA:  If you STILL think it's a good idea to have a world pvp event, go fucking read the Alterac Valley is a waste of time thread posted on this very board.

It already has involved pvp on my server and if the rumours of a raid on enemy cities are true it will involve a great deal more as things get down to the wire.

Both the alliance and the horde have one person who is gaining the faction, Sithilus appears to be moving fast from a cease fire for the good of being the #1 server (a feat we are surely not going to acomplish, I'd say top10 would be remarkable) to a war-zone.  In fact I expect I might head out there with the catass' next time for some good old fashioned face smashing fun.  But first I need my 7k rep in AV for exaulted... fucking stupid AV..

I don't know if this belongs here or in Board Thread of the Day but

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons&t=300974&p=1&tmp=1#post300974

appears to be plenty of world pvp going on here.

You guys (from what I can tell) are talking about PvP on PvP servers.  Anyone who didn't see this coming is silly.  You can't put a bunch of PvP flagged guys in a zone and say "go nuts, the first one to the top wins!" and not expect a HUGE amount of pvp.

He was talking about flagging people for PvP on a PvE server to increase the World PvP in an event.

None of the events so far flag you for pvp do they?

I remember The Regulators in a bunch of other games. They are a bunch of dickheads. I'd stay the hell away from any server they are on.

I play on a PVP server, and so far we have completed two of the world events. The PVP truce held (for the most part) through both events. After the events ended it usualy would break down in to a melee, but having 100+ horde and 100+ alliance in one place with no real fighting is kind of cool. At the first events, I was running around doing /dance with a bunch of guys that normalls I would be trying my damndest to kill, and they would dance back. It was kind of refreshing for a change. Also, getting a close up look at some of the other factions gear is kind of interesting also.

I personally have spent a total of 0 minutes farming, but I show up at the world events, and helped kill Eranikus at the second event. So for me, its fun, with no real downside.

Frankly, that's pretty hilarious.  You don't want other guilds to screw around with you?  DON'T PLAY ON A PVP SERVER.

Alkiera

Speaking of PvP servers...  In playing my warlock, so far, I've seen plenty of ?? leveled Alliance(mostly in Barrens), and have so far not been attacked by any of them.  Tehy'll stand there looking at me, maybe wave... The one alliance I've seen that had a number for a level was +8 levels from me(29 to my 21), a paladin... and he ran away from me.  I did kinda chase him, I have no illusions my 21 warlock could have been anything but a speedbump to someone that much higher, especially a paly.

Is this really normal?  Or does Dishonor really work to curtail n00b ganking?

Alkiera

There is no dishonor for noob ganking, its just not much fun for most people.

The Alliance are probably in the Barrens to mine copper for turn-ins.

There is no dishonor in killing players of any level.  Only NPCs.  (Doesn't make sense to me, either).

I can't recall if Barrens is contested or Horde territory.  I thought it was Horde, but I don't recall.

Mate, why are you still in that guild then?

On another note, I'm having the time of my life on WoW. My wife started playing and I started a mage with her. We're level 28 and couldn't give two sideways shits about some new top-end content I'll never see. I never got to Time in EQ, either. I may sell some Runecloth today though.

Your going to be safe for the most part from ganking until you get to STV, in STV everyone gets ganked those are the rules.  At least that is how it works on my pvp server.

Alkiera,

Barrens is Horde, which means that Alliance are open to be attacked at any time, but you have to flag yourself for PvP to get attacked.  Also, a 21st level Warlock should be able to take a 28th level Pali.  Fear + DOT is your friend.  If you keep him near perma feared, then he is dead.

 :-D

Even on a PvP server?  I thought PvP servers everyone was liable to ganking at all times... As to the paly thing, maybe that's why he kept running when I followed him... I could see animations for various buffs(seals, etc) going off over his head as he ran.

Alkiera

Only on contested zones, gotta keep the total newbs safe somehow.  Most zones are contested but anything under 18 or so is horde/alliance.

Ahhh...  That explains an awful lot.  Especially the ?? melee guy who kept steping between me and my target, I think hoping I'd accidentally r-click on him and initiate combat in Tirisfal Glade.

Alkiera

I'm not sure.  I'm a fly on the wall basically.  I don't play peak hours, I don't raid (and probably won't, unless they occur at times when I can, like weekends), I generally solo or group with non-guild players.  I do enjoy helping people who are lower than me, and I can give out arc transmutes and gather needed herbs.

I'd really prefer to be in a guild with people who are older, have kids, and jobs or otherwise more similar to me.  Unfortunately, the people I know like that are playing different games.

Well it seems that your guild isn't nearly as casual as you, and in fact smells of Cat and Ass. Which is fine if you like that sort of thing, but reading quotes like this tell me you'd be better off unguilded and eventally finding one with mature non-h4rdc0r3 people in it. Go grind fabric, bitch, so *I* can raid. Apparently.

I never before considered 30 hrs a week as casual, but it certainly appears to be the case here.

Heh.  Funny the people you run into around here.

30 hours? Well perhaps casual-levelling mentality rather than levelto60asapthenraid mentality would be a better fit. Else you'd be 60 by now. And on your alt as well.



Aren't the linen turnin rewards all like a level 9 cloak or something? I've got tons of linen in alt storage in case a friend or alt wants to level up tailoring or firstaid, and unless I can get something worthwhile I'd rather keep them for said future alts/friends.

Also, I now officially likey the event. I've made about 40g from selling the Runecloth I'd accumulated. That's half a mount for the upcoming toons right there!

PvP is going to be the norm in the new expansion since those lands are PvP enabled even on the PvE servers.

It's going to suck for people like me who have both no interest and no skill in PvP combat.

ohemgees really? 

I like this new expansion now, elf boobs and all!

Really it doesn't change my life at all since I play on a pvp server but here is hoping this will force blizz to make the pvp matter in their new "war" or whatever they replace contested with, zones.

where'd you hear this? Linky please?

Sounds like a silly business move if it's true. But moreso it sounds like an internet rumour.

Its at the end of the Computer Gaming World article on Outland in the Dec. '05 issue:


I agree it is a bad business decision.  My guess is the board will explode with complaints, people will cancel accounts, and Blizzard will back down.

My former horde guild.  Before I quit.  For the 3rd time =/

Geez that's dumb. Isn't the whole point of PvP vs PvE servers that you can choose which playstyle you like?

I just want to say, the amount of linen we're supposed to gather is absurd. I mean really, who was blizzard kidding with this? 800,000 linen! You get roughly 80 linen from a Deadmines run. So, from that logic it's 10,000 Deadmines runs. Say rougly 1,000 people even care about this on the server, and that's 10 runs per person at about an hour a run. That's 10 hours farming linen for 1,000 people. 10,000 man hours just to finish one aspect of the war grind.

I suppose it's not much different than 10 hours somewhere else, but this is to specifically go back and get drops off of trivial mobs. I just thought they'd scale it up towards the upper end having more runecloth required than linen cloth. It's the 60s that are gunning to open this crap anyway.

Deadmines is actually pretty bad for linen, you get mostly wool.
RFC is good for linen, but it's right in the heart of orgrimmar, so you'll die 235212519878 times getting there.

BTW, alliance have 5-6 quests that involve going to the Barrens at some point (warlock 20, warlock 30, warrior 30, ST unlock quest, felwood cleansing quest, etc etc... and also accessing the 4 instances that'd otherwise be horde-only) and two that involve going to Tirisfal (halloween event, barov... or heck, even just going to SM). Be thankful that you don't have to go to red zones as horde ('cept for the fair and maybe the druid sealform?).. enemy territory is just a huge grief-a-thon on a pvp server with plenty of bored 60s, unless you're a rogue.


-- Z.

I remember having to travel to enemy territory for seal form on my NE Druid, yes.

The port in spot for Gnomergan for the horde can suck ass majorly too, with tons of low green alliance flagged agro mobs running by. If you kill one you are flagged on a PVE server which can be annoying if there's any high levels around.

Some of this stuff is already in the system, my characters cleaned out a bunch of linen, runecloth, etc. that was just sitting in the bank.  I imagine a lot of other people did that too.

Since last friday my server (http://worldofwarcraft.com/wareffort/wareffort.html?5) has jumped from only 1200 or so Yellowtail and Albacore to being full on Albacore and 93% on Yellowtail.  I suspect is it no coincidence that these are the two most easily botted items (Albacore drops in L10 zones, Yellowtail in 20ish and up) in the effort. 

It's not actually that much. I've got probably 1-2k linen accumulated just sitting on a mule, but unless the rewards have any point to them besides level 8 cloaks, then there's little point in not continuing to hoard them for future guildies and alts' first aid.

Faction?

Is there any point in getting faction beyond Honoured (for 10% cheaper stuff) besides the ridable mounts?  I'm sitting at Honoured for all the Horde factions, and I can't see the point in getting, say, Undercity up to exalted just so I can ride one of dem undead horsies - I'm a big fat cow and I like my big fat Kodo.  Is there any other bonus I'm missing?

the e-peen bonus!!! It get's 5% larger with each one capped.

More fun with opening the gates...

Ninja strike force. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/pelleas/Auberdine.jpg)

It's hard to keep people out of server wide announced events that want to participate (or the folks that /who Uberguildname and flock to the area to disrupt or simply just loiter). It's nice that people want to help and have an interest in game lore, but all they're bringing is lag.  So, alliance/horde stealth teams had all of the connecting flight masters to Moonglade killed while a few allied alliance guilds and the top horde guild did the Eranikus event. 

It's funny, we doubt that the alliance guild doing the event is talented enough to actually finish the scepter but we just couldn't compete with them when it comes to farming.  Playing for second place isn't so bad when first place wins for everyone.

Edit: my grammar has sucked today.

So no point, whatsoever then?

In other news, I did a DM run through for a low level friend today, got 4 stacks each of wool and linen, as a FYI for places to farm it.

1250 Gold.

Wtf.

Seriously? Wow, that's pretty crazy.

Although killing the flight masters won't stop druids from getting to Moonglade (they can port there) and it wouldn't stop anyone with at lest Unfriendly with Timbermaw from riding through the caves to it, but it would stop people that didn't know you could get there that way.

Wow, what a bunch of shitheads. I would hoof it to Moonglade the hard way just to fuck the event up for that.

You realize that 2/3's of the zones for horde quests, horde in the same area as alliance but 5 levels behind?

I love this type of angst.  Which is why people were cracking up in vent everytime we took out the flight masters.  In the end it was only maybe 10 people watching (some druids, some hoofed it), with one bitter druid (from the classless alliance uber on our server) spamming random shit trying to fuck up the event.  Most everyone else was rather respectful and actually stayed out of large crowds.  A few horde got flagged and actually were never attacked despite the dumbass druid's insistance to take them down.

It wasn't us trying to fuck the rest of the server over, you just have to complete these type of events under the server conditions you're given. When they announced the AQ gong ritual 600+ alliance and 200+ horde showed up and crashed the server. Luckily you didn't have to do shit for that event.  Hell, on our first attempt in Moonglade we failed due to way too much fucking lag having 150+ people crammed into a small area and heals taking 20 seconds to cast.  Second time everyone was spread out and the flight master killing continued and the event was a success. 

For world events and other large scale events in just about any game you're fighting the server more often than you're fighting your adversaries.  If you can control that, it's in your best interests to.  This is one of those rare instances where the raider can actually squash the casual's experience, as I'm sure some regular flights were interupted.  But it wasn't for long and all anyone had to was stop 5 guys from ganking a flight master :)

No, you were just being shitheads and pissing off players who may have just wanted to use the fucking flightmasters because you wanted your bottle and new shinies sooner. Giggling like retarded children on vent about killing a flightmaster is just as lame as giggling in vent over killing questgivers. There is no defending it, you were griefing to keep the plebes out of an event they have full right to go to. Deal with the lag or stick a cock in it.

I was at the Eranikus event and there was nearly a half-minute's worth of lag on everything. I bandaged myself up from ZERO HP and lived. It was like half the fucking server was there and guess what? It got completed! Even more so, despite there being 600+ people there, pretty much no horde who got flagged were killed in PvP. Not even afterwards.

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That kind of griefing gets my blood pressure up. I hate this fucking event, and if people insist on doing stuff like that, I hope the gates NEVER open.

...but I'm okay now.

Makes me glad I moved to Sen'Jin if only to momentarily avoid assclownery like this.

In the end, I participated in the event and enjoyed it. I did it by selling off all the stockpiles of various cloth that I'd gathered up over time in the AH.

We did the Erakinus event on my server.  We killled every connecting alliance flightmaster we could find.  Our Server is also PvP.  So there.

And this is what happened when a few players took it upon themselves to include world PVP in the event.  Imagine, just imagine, what it would be like if BLIZZARD FORCED PVP IN THIS EVENT.

Yes, it hurts to be this right this often.

ETA:  Also notice that this is an example of "meaningful pvp".  One side deprives the other of a resource, the other can feel free to come in and fight it out and restore their access to the resource.  The very definition of meaningful pvp.  But instead of marching their level 60 asses in there and taking back the bat route, they come here and bitch about how it's griefing.. :)

You could not possibly be more wrong. If a group of roughly equal level people fight over a resource that can be claimed lost and reclaimed via PVP then it's meaningful.

The flightmasters are used by all level ranges and you can't "get them back" by pvping. If you weren't level 55-60 all you could do is just sit there and watch or die horribly without even so much as mildly annoying the PVP groups.

It was griefing. Period.

You absolutely CAN get those fp's back by pvping.

I'll give you a tip on how:  Kill the bastards camping the spawn.  Protect it, when they come back, kill them again.

The Flight Paths are flagged pvp specifically FOR meaningful pvp, and you just experienced it.  People can go to a town, destroy a needed resource, and own that town, until they are removed from the town by other players (or by guard spawns since you'll just bitch about griefing and wait for that).

You don't actually LIKE meaningful pvp because it removes part of the game for YOU and, as every knows YOU are the most important person in the game.  Something that denies YOU part of the game clearly isn't meaningful pvp, instead it's "griefing".

So, keep this in mind next time you guys postulate about how WoW sucks because the pvp isn't forced or isn't meaningful.  It's because carebears will bitch that they have to get off their ass and stop the people from fucking with them, instead of just being able to access any part of the game at their leisure..

It would be grief if they were killing the guards without getting pvp flagged.  It wouldn't be meaningful pvp if there was nothing you could do to stop them from killing the spawn.  Neither of those things are true, these guys took a risk, flagged themselves pvp enabled, and killed the spawn that blizzard put in the game for this very mechanic.  If this happens on my server I'd get people together and kill them (or more likely, I'll be the guy on vent owning the spawn and kililng the flightmaster, just waiting for the allies to come try to reclaim it).

Yeah, I bet those level 10's and 20's can totally wtfpwnz0r the epic ganksquads killing the flightmasters.

If you want to take the retarded "WAHHH YOU WHINY CAREBEAR FAG" route then it's okay if I hoof it to Moonglade and fuck up the event as best I can by killing all the horde or alliance who flag PVP. I mean, what makes the uberguilds so fucking special they can have an event all to themselves. They should be thanking me for engaging in this meaningful PVP by killing all the horde people who accidentally flag during the Eranikus event!

This type of fucking silly shit is why I would never step foot on a pve server, even though in WoW 90% of the time there is no reason to be on a pvp server because almost everything happens in fucking instances be it pvp or pve.

Someone killed a flight master?  oh noes?  Its not like at this point any of those level 10's dont have 60's on their accounts.  Cry me a fucking river.

This is almost word for word what I said you guys would bitch about if the event included world pvp, just one lonely page back from this one.  Can I call it or what?

I'm not into WoW's PVP in the least at this point so that's precisely what irked me.

Which is exactly what I said on the previous page, if world pvp were worked into the event by blizzard, people would go fucking nuts.  Then I pointed out that even when a (very very limited) amount of world pvp was worked in by the players, you went fucking nuts.  So again I ask:  How can Blizzard have possibly made this event more acceptable to the people around here?  I've heard a lot of bitching about it, but I've yet to see a good answer (in fact, the only answer I've seen is world pvp, and I think we've pretty much proven that that's out)..

Maybe doing some hardware/pipe/software upgrades to handle the inevitable crowds that would show up to the event, temporarily making Flight Masters unattackable, or at least have a way for regular non-catass players or newbies who don't have a 60 yet to watch the really epic stuff if it's just THAT hard to figure out a way for people who want to see it go there.

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Lower levels can suck me. Seriously, this game has been out for over a year. If you aren't 60 yet you're either doing something very wrong, or just have to expect you're gonna miss out with that kind of timetable/alt-itus. If you're new to the game... you missed out on a lot of shit til now, you can handle missing out on this now. I missed out on a number of things starting a few months late... and I don't give a damn.

What L10s and 20's are flying into moonglade anyway? Druids port in and fly out. The only other flight points I know that go to moonglade are in felwood, not the most popular zone for the 10-20 crowd.
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