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Title: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: MrHat on May 16, 2005, 06:19:08 PM
So I just watched that Nintendo-ON video.

Someone needs to explain to me why they are marketing a helmet.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: WayAbvPar on May 16, 2005, 06:22:00 PM
To wear when riding the short bus to school, of course.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Shockeye on May 16, 2005, 06:50:00 PM
This was the video that was a fake, right?


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Samwise on May 16, 2005, 06:54:48 PM
Can someone help me out with a link to the video?  Or at least a screenshot?  I feel like I'm missing out on some grand joke here.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Signe on May 16, 2005, 07:49:58 PM
Hats, helmets, beanie caps with propellers... I love 'em all!  Especially when they're shaped like ducks.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Miasma on May 16, 2005, 10:19:28 PM
Can someone help me out with a link to the video?  Or at least a screenshot?  I feel like I'm missing out on some grand joke here.
I think it's this one. (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=3265.msg82242#msg82242)  If it's fake it's better than most companies could put out for real.  Not the technology or product... I mean the video itself was half decent.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: TheWalrus on May 17, 2005, 01:54:24 AM
Wow. Nintendo just received a full Rimmer for this concept.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Daydreamer on May 17, 2005, 03:01:53 AM
Jesus Christ on a Sacred Skewer.

I had myself convinced that it was a brilliant fake made of simple yet high quality 3d grpahics and old photos/models, then they showed Mario.  Why create a whole new set and model for a fake when you can copy/mimic the GC Mario and be more convincing?

No way to tell for sure until their press confrence tomorrow morning, but DAMN.  Either way SOMEONE needs a swift kick to the nuts.

EDIT: More evidence that this video is a brilliant fake just in http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=4962



Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 17, 2005, 07:46:51 AM
Heh. Worst looking system of the three. Looks like a mid-range audio processor. And is only 2-3 times as powerful as the Gamecube?

Way to be the Nintendo 64. Again.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: EvilTodd on May 17, 2005, 08:22:01 AM
According to one image in that asstacular video, you can hook it up to a monitor -OR- a microwave.

Maybe Nintendo is trying to improve its user base?  From the other end.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: AOFanboi on May 17, 2005, 09:40:56 AM
Does not look like a helmet (http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615030/img_2789308.html). In fact, it looks even more minimalist than the PS3.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 17, 2005, 10:04:45 AM
Does not look like a helmet (http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615030/img_2789308.html). In fact, it looks even more minimalist than the PS3.

Much more believable.  I guess.  I should have gone on vacation this week instead of last week.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: HaemishM on May 17, 2005, 10:10:02 AM
Wow, virtually indistinguishable from any other electronic device. Woot?

I'm very meh on all the new console designs.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: WayAbvPar on May 17, 2005, 11:08:12 AM
Wow, virtually indistinguishable from any other electronic device. Woot?

I'm very meh on all the new console designs.

The PS3 is the only one I like. The new Xbox looks like deepfried ass.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: AOFanboi on May 17, 2005, 12:05:21 PM
Reading some Nintendo press conference reports live now - seems Nintendo is as keen on self-inflation as Microsoft. That sucks. Integrity and all that. Nothing on Revolution yet, apparently showing Electroplankton on the DS has priority. I forgive them.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Strazos on May 17, 2005, 12:58:26 PM
So that headgear shit was fake? heh.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: AOFanboi on May 17, 2005, 01:33:46 PM
Summary: GBA Micro, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, online gameplay for both DS and Revolution - free, unlike XBox Live, Mario Baseball, Super Mario Strikers, Mario Party 7, Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Next, all for NGC, Revolution will have old catalog available for (paid?) download, means NES, SNES and N64 apparently, Revolution uses SD memory. Mario Kart Online.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: HaemishM on May 17, 2005, 01:36:45 PM
Revolution will have old catalog available for (paid?) download, means NES, SNES and N64 apparently ... Mario Kart Online.

Now THAT could be a key selling point.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 17, 2005, 02:07:20 PM
Hoodelolly. That would be nice. I miss Bubble Bobble and Shadowgate.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 17, 2005, 02:17:18 PM
Revolution will have old catalog available for (paid?) download, means NES, SNES and N64 apparently ... Mario Kart Online.

Now THAT could be a key selling point.

Wha...?!?!!!  More like a system-seller if you ask me.  Must... restrain... fanboi... spooge... ... remain... cynical... GAH!


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Strazos on May 17, 2005, 02:19:30 PM
Nintendo might at least come in second if this is true...

They would then have the largest available library, right?


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Shockeye on May 17, 2005, 02:24:41 PM
Maybe they could get together with Sega and get their old Genesis library running on there too. Please?


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: ahoythematey on May 17, 2005, 02:37:58 PM
It could become more delicious than that, should the cards play out properly.  For starters it's NES, SNES, and N64.  With a delivery system like this, they could very easily start bringing in other dead consoles into their fold, as well as create an environment ripe for pre-release game demos, online-only minigames that appeal to nongamers(think Bejewled and the like), and even specialized shit like adapting nintendo.com to deliver news/content and all sorts of crazy things through Revolution(things like those campy super-seekrit preview VHS's Nintendo Power used to send out).  The possibilities are scary-fantastic, really, but then that is often the case with Nintendo's systems.  Xbox-Live proves it can be popular.  The hope remains that they can really harness this potential while standing out from the pack.

Not that I really need it.  Smash Bros Online at launch has already sold me on it.  All you motherfuckers ph34r the might of Kirby's powerbomb.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 17, 2005, 02:41:07 PM
Nintendo might at least come in second if this is true...

They would then have the largest available library, right?

To flip positions with you here... they would have the largest available library... TO POOP ON!  Some of that stuff would be nice to play again for nostalgia, but would anyone, even ME, play most of the NES/SNES fare when the RE4 disc fits in the machine?  I already have supermetroid.zip on my PC and I don't play it.

To counter my own point, this would be a huge seller.  FFIV, SMW, Street Fighter II Turbo, Double Dragon, Final Fight, Blaster Master (my own sickness), Link to the Past?  Fucking GoldenEye on the good TV.  Now I have to change my pants.

I added the green after I realized I was fucking lying.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Margalis on May 17, 2005, 02:41:37 PM
Summary: GBA Micro, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, online gameplay for both DS and Revolution - free, unlike XBox Live, Mario Baseball, Super Mario Strikers, Mario Party 7, Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Next, all for NGC, Revolution will have old catalog available for (paid?) download, means NES, SNES and N64 apparently, Revolution uses SD memory. Mario Kart Online.

If the old catalog thing is true, that is the most fucking awesome thing I've heard in a long long time.

Edit: I can name a TON of games I would get if they were reasonably priced. The SNES had tons of great games. I still play a lot of them today. Whenever I go home for the holidays I beat Castlevania 4. Plus, I'm a fan of video game history. The idea of having historic games available is awesome. I really hope this is true, that would own.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: ahoythematey on May 17, 2005, 02:49:05 PM
I have purchased and sold Earthbound and Super Mario Kart no less than three times.  Nintendo would make a killing off of me alone on my micro-purchases if this odd habit continues.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 17, 2005, 02:50:04 PM
I still play Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask on my GC, thanks to the Collector's Edition disk. Some nostalgia doesn't get old, and has more to do with a game kicking ass than nostalgia (e.g., the N64 Rare games I mentioned in the other thread). I mean, I already live with three consoles (4 if you count the two GC we have), not counting the GBA or the tv plug-in arcade games. It'd be nice to not hafta keep jonesing for the old games and always come THIS close to picking up an old used N64 every time I go into Game Exchange. And it'd be nice to not have to play the ones that ARE available on a 4" screen. (I know, but I'm too cheap to pick up the cable).


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 17, 2005, 03:16:01 PM
I still play Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask on my GC, thanks to the Collector's Edition disk. Some nostalgia doesn't get old, and has more to do with a game kicking ass than nostalgia (e.g., the N64 Rare games I mentioned in the other thread). I mean, I already live with three consoles (4 if you count the two GC we have), not counting the GBA or the tv plug-in arcade games. It'd be nice to not hafta keep jonesing for the old games and always come THIS close to picking up an old used N64 every time I go into Game Exchange. And it'd be nice to not have to play the ones that ARE available on a 4" screen. (I know, but I'm too cheap to pick up the cable).

I'm going to come clean here.  I have one Cube, one PS2, two Xboxen, one N64, one PS, two SNES, one Genesis, and one NES.  I have a bunch of carts, too, including Final Fantasy and the original paper map.  Not as many as I would like since they like to disappear.  I have a GCGBP under my Cube and two GBAs, one Afterburnered, and a link cable.  The problem (besides me being crazy) is that I don't really have room for the main three machines in the wiring plan, although getting a component video switch should help.  I have the Cube and PS2 using the two component ports right now, with the good Xbox waiting for me to buy a switch and optical cable, or maybe just give the DVD player the boot.  I'm not going back to composite video.  Unpossible.

This downloadable (or whatever) shit is exactly what I need in order to avoid setting my house on fire, or worse, using a regular TV to play old games.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 17, 2005, 04:45:04 PM
I don't think the third party stuff will be downloadable. If it is, Capcom and Square and the others will still put out compilation discs for other systems. Final Fantasy Chronicles/Midway Arcade Treasures 2 anybody? If you want to download a copy of Mario 3, go right ahead. I'd rather plug in my Nintendo and use my cartridge. THAT'S nostalgia.

Repeat after me: Nintendo is fucked.

You don't have to tell me I was right 6 months ago. I already know.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: ahoythematey on May 17, 2005, 05:05:09 PM
I don't think the third party stuff will be downloadable. If it is, Capcom and Square and the others will still put out compilation discs for other systems. Final Fantasy Chronicles/Midway Arcade Treasures 2 anybody? If you want to download a copy of Mario 3, go right ahead. I'd rather plug in my Nintendo and use my cartridge. THAT'S nostalgia.

Repeat after me: Nintendo is fucked.

You don't have to tell me I was right 6 months ago. I already know.

True nostalgia is proclamations of Nintendo's impending doom.  It was Sega's bread and butter for years, now it's Microsoft's.  As for whether or not third-party titles will be onboard: Nintendo was pretty controlling of all the games released on it's systems back in the day, I doubt there are many third-party or not that they(Nintendo) couldn't finagle onto their game network, not to mention that this sort of setup for retro gaming is extremely common in Japan.  Then there's the fact that this would be like free money for the companies that participate; Revolution would basically allow for widespread legal-distribution of ROMs.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Shockeye on May 17, 2005, 05:07:57 PM
I don't think the third party stuff will be downloadable. If it is, Capcom and Square and the others will still put out compilation discs for other systems. Final Fantasy Chronicles/Midway Arcade Treasures 2 anybody? If you want to download a copy of Mario 3, go right ahead. I'd rather plug in my Nintendo and use my cartridge. THAT'S nostalgia.

Repeat after me: Nintendo is fucked.

You don't have to tell me I was right 6 months ago. I already know.

True nostalgia is proclamations of Nintendo's impending doom.  It was Sega's bread and butter for years, now it's Microsoft's. 

Are you saying schild is a Microsoft douchebag? I can see that.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 17, 2005, 05:09:48 PM
The emulators will be on the systems. A week after the revolution comes out, people will probably be playing ROMs off DVDs on a completely unmodded system. That kind of shit doesn't scare Joe Douchebag. Getting online does.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Shockeye on May 17, 2005, 05:10:36 PM
That kind of shit doesn't scare Joe Douchebag.

I like the term "Joe Douchepack" better.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: ahoythematey on May 17, 2005, 05:12:36 PM
Are you saying schild is a Microsoft douchebag? I can see that.

Not really, no.  If I were to associate him with any kind of pimping, it'd be for Sony's little overpriced wonder.  I'm simply pointing out that saying, in so many words, that "Nintendo is fucked", is not original or new by a longshot.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 17, 2005, 05:14:20 PM
It's not. But last time I said it, half the forum jumped on my ass and I stood by my guns.

Exhibit A: Gameboy Micro. I'm right.
Exhibit B: Nintendo Revolution. I'm Right again.

I'm just talking about history from the boards. I know it's not original. Just look at shelfspace and then look at all the frosty candyass bitch Nintendo fanbois. It just feels good to rub salt in the goddamn wounds. Why won't you let me?

Edit: I met a Nintendo Rep when I was working today. Now there's an entire subculture of employees COMPLETELY CLUELESS as to the workings of the gaming industry. If I ran a company, Joe Douchepack would not work for me.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: stray on May 17, 2005, 05:19:53 PM
Just look at shelfspace and then look at all the frosty candyass bitch Nintendo fanbois. It just feels good to rub salt in the goddamn wounds. Why won't you let me?

If you didn't know it by now: Those wounds are yours, man. That's why.

Alternative reply:

Exactly what were your gaming preferences as a kid? I mean, who the hell hates Nintendo? Lol.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 17, 2005, 05:21:17 PM
I loved Nintendo, until the Dolphin debacle and the giant piece of ass that was the Nintendo 64. It just sucked. That. Much. Cock.

And when I say loved nintendo, I mean beat up people who said Sonic was better than Mario. I'm not kidding.

They killer my inner child. I liked my Atari Jaguar more than the n64.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: ahoythematey on May 17, 2005, 05:23:44 PM
GameBoy Micro: The shock and disbelief of their current gameboy being refined for the near-future market is staggering, especially with history showing that they've only done it maybe fourteen billion times already.  Really, Nintendo cannot sink lower, while what Sony has successfully done in the past with the PSone and slim PS2 is all good...

EDIT:  I think, in fairness, I should mention I am apprehensive of supporting Xbox anything because of their fostering of the asshole gamer-community that the runaway success of the PSX spawned.  It's a mostly unreasonable bias, but it's one of my faults that I've accepted.

I'm apprehensive of supporting Sony because their shit keeps breaking on me.  I am awaiting with fear the day that fucking PSP of mine stops letting me play Lumines for God knows why.

I'm supportive of Nintendo because of their franchises and design philosophy.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 17, 2005, 05:26:11 PM
I loved Nintendo, until the Dolphin debacle and the giant piece of ass that was the Nintendo 64.

Aw, that makes me sad.  :cry:  What about the Rare games (again, earlier post)? Unless you're one of the many who hates platforms, I can't see how you could hate on N64.

thanks for changing my avatar.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 17, 2005, 05:28:14 PM
The GBA didn't need to be shrinked. It needed an upgrade to compete with the PSP. Not some half-baked PSP-looking version of the GBA.

Seriously. What are you trying to do here? Make Sony look like the bad guy? The PStwo looks 10x better than the PS2 and the PSone was merely something people were asking for. It *still* sells. Why? It's great to hook up to Car TVs, like the Dreamcast. Fits under a seat.

Edit: Right when I saw the n64 it was over between me and Nintendo. They'd fucked me. I got the better end of the deal with the PS1, Dreamcast and Jaguar anyway. I mean, I owned an n64, but that's because we knew people who knew some people who could give me stuff. I think I owned all of 8 games. I was playing on my PC all the time by the time Goldeneye and Perfect Dark came out. They looked like shit to me anyway, and I hate the n64 controller. I have big hands. Dreamcast and Jaguar controllers fit them better (the jaguar controller was huge and awkwardly in fact and it was better).


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Shockeye on May 17, 2005, 07:05:08 PM
So the GBA Micro sucks ass. So what if the Revolution is only so-so.

Nintendo will turn that frown upside down. (http://cube.ign.com/objects/743/743601.html)


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 17, 2005, 07:06:04 PM
MORE HELLO KITTY FOR ME? OMFGROX.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Shockeye on May 17, 2005, 07:07:04 PM
MORE HELLO KITTY FOR ME? OMFGROX.

Hello Kitty on rollerskates.

(http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/606/606610/hello-kitty-roller-rescue-20050421025313295.jpg)


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: stray on May 17, 2005, 07:07:52 PM
I bet it's fun.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 17, 2005, 07:08:32 PM
Wait.

That's Hello Kitty Rescue Mission. It is a fun game. Errr. Ignore me.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Shockeye on May 17, 2005, 07:08:48 PM
I bet it's fun.

More fun than a syringe full of heroin.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: stray on May 17, 2005, 07:09:59 PM
I bet it's fun.

More fun than a syringe full of heroin.

I really wouldn't know.

Edit: I heard it's akin to being able to consciously direct your dreams....Whatever that means.

Sounds like fun though.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 17, 2005, 07:10:30 PM
I bet it's fun.
More fun than a syringe full of heroin.
Barely.

Here's some news 10 people will notice:

EBgames now has the girls game from NCSoft (Alterlife) listed as November 11th, 2005 release date. I can't wait. I also can't wait for a press release saying it's coming to america.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Jain Zar on May 17, 2005, 07:41:26 PM
I like Nintendo more now than I did in 1990 where I considered them to be what your average penguin plushie fucking Linux fanboy considers Microsoft.  I was a complete slut for Sega who were cool, rebellious, forward thinking, and just generally everything Nintendo wasn't.

Fast worward to now and I like Nintendo for attempting to be creative.  Sadly the same drugs that make the interesting games are taken by the entire company which is why they keep buggering everything up with some insanely dumb decisions.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: stray on May 17, 2005, 08:52:32 PM
I like Nintendo more now than I did in 1990 where I considered them to be what your average penguin plushie fucking Linux fanboy considers Microsoft.  I was a complete slut for Sega who were cool, rebellious, forward thinking, and just generally everything Nintendo wasn't.

Fast worward to now and I like Nintendo for attempting to be creative.  Sadly the same drugs that make the interesting games are taken by the entire company which is why they keep buggering everything up with some insanely dumb decisions.

I was a Sega guy as well (but not the type who'd defend Sonic. Alex Kidd maybe. But not Sonic), but with them out of the competition, I have to latch on to something from the past. That, and I'm weary of the direction other gaming companies have taken gaming to (i.e. angst, 12 year old Japanese schoolgirl boobies, movie licenses, etc..). Nintendo is a symbol of the complete opposite.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 18, 2005, 09:12:04 AM
I like Nintendo more now than I did in 1990 where I considered them to be what your average penguin plushie fucking Linux fanboy considers Microsoft.  I was a complete slut for Sega who were cool, rebellious, forward thinking, and just generally everything Nintendo wasn't.

Fast worward to now and I like Nintendo for attempting to be creative.  Sadly the same drugs that make the interesting games are taken by the entire company which is why they keep buggering everything up with some insanely dumb decisions.

Hooray for the underdog!

The Hello Kitty game does seem interesting, but I can't figure out why.  The problem is how much ridicule I would get from my wife if she caught me playing that.  She's already suspicious of me, thanks to Paper Mario, Grabbed by the Ghoulies and Luigi's Mansion.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Signe on May 18, 2005, 09:23:53 AM
Reassure her and beta test this.

http://www.sociolotronics.net/website/frame_main.htm (also NWFW)

Incidentally, I'd like to see a review of it when it goes live.  I'll foot the $3 beta testing fee.  Haemish?


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: MrHat on May 18, 2005, 10:05:21 AM
Reassure her and beta test this.

http://www.sociolotronics.net/website/frame_main.htm (also NWFW)

Incidentally, I'd like to see a review of it when it goes live.  I'll foot the $3 beta testing fee.  Haemish?

...


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Signe on May 18, 2005, 10:32:26 AM
It would be a bad idea for you to go there, Hat, at least until the lovey dovey mushy stuff fades.  At least give it a few months post-marriage. 


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: HaemishM on May 18, 2005, 10:59:52 AM
After seeing a lot of the things they said, and the footage they showed, I really am starting to agree with schild. They are fucking clueless. They don't know how to change themselves to compete in today's game market, at least not on the level they used to. They keep retreading and recycling old franchises, or shining up the turds of the old franchises and shoehorning them into everything they can find. Mario DDR? WTF?

I do think the downloadable old games on the Revolution is a spectacular idea, and provided those 3rd party developers get paid good royalties for those games, I think everybody should do it.

But I also think that they should just stop trying to create hardware and making fucking games.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 18, 2005, 11:09:18 AM
But I also think that they should just stop trying to create hardware and making fucking games.

I see an edit in your future.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: HaemishM on May 18, 2005, 11:18:22 AM
I was practicing my Engrish. Although, if they stopped making games, I would never have to see Mario again. That'd be a win.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 18, 2005, 11:21:37 AM
I was practicing my Engrish. Although, if they stopped making games, I would never have to see Mario again. That'd be a win.

They should Rename themselves "The Epic of the East" and just make Smash Bros. You know, Smash Bros 2007, Smash Bros 2008. And then once in a blue moon, release soemthing like Smash Bros Championship 2: The Liandri Princess. There's your zelda game right there.

I like epic. They make good stuff and know they're double dipping. Honesty is gud.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 18, 2005, 11:36:23 AM

But I also think that they should just stop trying to create hardware and (start) making fucking games.

Parentheses mine.  This morning the husboyfriend and I were talking about this (or something relevant) and he said something to the effect of Nintendo being the last outlet for independent game developers, and that eventually y'all will be tired of Madden 2009 and Doom 5 and Half Life 4. I agree with him 100% on this. Nintendo is at least trying to facilitate non-franchised games that have something new.

Finally! Someone agrees with me.

And of COURSE the Hello Kitty game is compelling. THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU. You must not, nay, you can not resist the Kitty.



Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: ahoythematey on May 18, 2005, 11:39:35 AM
I like epic. They make good stuff and know they're double dipping. Honesty is gud.

Sort of like Kojima, ne? (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=8a25b5aa1fb859726421b6d055186920&topic=3328.0)


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 18, 2005, 11:42:30 AM
First of all: Nintendo has nothing to do with independent developers. They INVENTED socialist like control in the gaming industry. Nintendo isn't an outlet for independent developers. At all, in no way shape or form. Repetition is good.

Second: Hello Kitty was out for an annivesary in Japan and other parts of Asia for the Xbox before the Gamecube and PS2 ones were even announced. Sanrio <3s Xbox or something.

I think some of us said Nintendo should stop making hardware about a year ago. But anyway, yah, they suck. Head up ass, etc. Tradition seems to stick to them just like crazy glue.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 18, 2005, 11:53:11 AM
Sanrio <3 teh monies, I bet.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: HaemishM on May 18, 2005, 12:03:12 PM
Nintendo is at least trying to facilitate non-franchised games that have something new.

What non-franchised games is Nintendo making? The new Zelda? Pokemon RPG? Mario DDR?

The only thing I can think of is Nintendogs, which I don't even consider a game.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 18, 2005, 12:09:00 PM
Reassure her and beta test this.

http://www.sociolotronics.net/website/frame_main.htm (also NWFW)

Heh, yeah, that has "my wife will love it" written all over it.  Seriously, though, this sort of thing seems overdue.  Or perhaps I'm just morally loose.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Sauced on May 18, 2005, 12:14:11 PM
he said something to the effect of Nintendo being the last outlet for independent game developers

To be fair, what I said was that the GBA is currently the best platform for indy developers, which I think I can back up if necessary.  Nintendo itself, as a publisher, heh, no.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 18, 2005, 12:22:02 PM
he said something to the effect of Nintendo being the last outlet for independent game developers
To be fair, what I said was that the GBA is currently the best platform for indy developers, which I think I can back up if necessary.

Short of the PC and possibly the Xbox 360, yea I could see that. Though homebrew shit on PSP will hopefully, eventually, be huge and lead to a big indy market.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 18, 2005, 12:29:01 PM
OMG he came out to play! Sorry I misquoted.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 18, 2005, 12:30:40 PM
OMG he came out to play! Sorry I misquoted.

Unfortunately I don't know what his sig means. Some sort of colloquialism that could only be created on the west coast and can only continue to exist in that sort of pop-culture vacuum.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 18, 2005, 12:33:15 PM
If you'd read the Achewood I keep trying to shove down your ungrateful throat you'd get it.  :lol:


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Sauced on May 18, 2005, 12:35:45 PM
Short of the PC and possibly the Xbox 360, yea I could see that. Though homebrew shit on PSP will hopefully, eventually, be huge and lead to a big indy market.

I was mostly referring to the ability of one person to create all of the content.  Direct X, Milkshape, gcc, Torque.. all kinds of avenues for developing on the PC (Torque on the XBox?  Hmm.), but it's a bit tougher for one person to do all the work as soon as you get out of Sprite and Tile land.

Just the ability to run different emulators on the PSP certainly opens up possibilities, at least for those who view it as a hobby.  The fact is the cell phone and flash is all the indy studio really has left, assuming they don't have a budget in the millions and a contract to write an expansion pack or something.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 18, 2005, 01:05:08 PM
Nintendo is at least trying to facilitate non-franchised games that have something new.

What non-franchised games is Nintendo making? The new Zelda? Pokemon RPG? Mario DDR?

The only thing I can think of is Nintendogs, which I don't even consider a game.

Electroplankton, Geist, Trace Memory, Screwbreaker, Atomic Betty, Chibi Robo, etc. Yes, they may be a little puzzle-heavy, but hey.

Sigh. I give up. I guess what it boils down to is that I prefer Nintendo franchises over the others.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: HaemishM on May 18, 2005, 01:19:41 PM
Of those you mentioned, I have heard of Geist.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 18, 2005, 01:52:24 PM
They're all pretty much GBA or DS games.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 19, 2005, 09:23:59 AM
This is probably as good a thread as any for this (http://blog.gamebrink.com/article.php?story=20050519025654400).


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: AOFanboi on May 19, 2005, 10:16:05 AM
This is probably as good a thread as any for this (http://blog.gamebrink.com/article.php?story=20050519025654400).
My life is incomplete until I possess a mustard yellow Revolution.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: stray on May 19, 2005, 10:17:14 AM
This is probably as good a thread as any for this (http://blog.gamebrink.com/article.php?story=20050519025654400).
My life is incomplete until I possess a mustard yellow Revolution.

That looks more like Jolly Rancher Green to me.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 19, 2005, 10:21:48 AM
The important implication you both seem to be missing is that the inclusion of GameCube controller ports could very well mean that the missing Rev controller is going to be a crazy piece of equipment that is somehow unsuitable for playing Cube games.  Think about it.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 19, 2005, 10:39:32 AM
This is probably as good a thread as any for this (http://blog.gamebrink.com/article.php?story=20050519025654400).
My life is incomplete until I possess a mustard yellow Revolution.

That looks more like Jolly Rancher Green to me.

I want the yellow one if I get any of them. It's trashy enough to be sexy.

Ok, so, it has game ports? So, you have to use the old wavebird adapter to make shit wireless?

REVOLUTION INDEED.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 19, 2005, 10:47:29 AM
Ok, so, it has game ports? So, you have to use the old wavebird adapter to make shit wireless?

Negative.  Looks like the Wavebird dongle won't fit due to the flip cover... I think the flat part is the top... I keep my Cube behind a wooden door and can't remember.  I thought I read confirmation of integrated wireless, both controllers and wifi?  Or was it just networking?


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 19, 2005, 10:48:14 AM
I'm just fucking with you guys. There's no way Nintendo would have controller ports on their shit and make them necessary. They aren't THAT stupid.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 19, 2005, 10:57:23 AM
Ah, good one.  I'm trying to stay cynical about the Rev, but for some reason it's hard.  Even knowing that it's dumb to assume Nintendo isn't stupid enough to fuck up something I consider obvious.  Online support?  Removing progressive-scan ability from recently-manufactured Cubes?  Selling the component-video cable only online?  They are pretty stupid at times.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 19, 2005, 11:07:17 AM
Ah, thanks, I need to order one of those component cables, mine has that digital output on the back.

Too bad I can't get the cable on the cheap because of them though. Fucking Apple types.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 19, 2005, 11:26:09 AM
This is probably as good a thread as any for this (http://blog.gamebrink.com/article.php?story=20050519025654400).
My life is incomplete until I possess a mustard yellow Revolution.

That looks more like Jolly Rancher Green to me.

I want the yellow one if I get any of them. It's trashy enough to be sexy.

Ok, so, it has game ports? So, you have to use the old wavebird adapter to make shit wireless?

REVOLUTION INDEED.

Oh, no honeys. That's chartreuse (my favorite color).


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: HaemishM on May 19, 2005, 11:28:15 AM
Nintendo... Why Make it Interesting When you Can Just Make a New Color!


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 19, 2005, 11:29:52 AM
Ah, thanks, I need to order one of those component cables, mine has that digital output on the back.

Too bad I can't get the cable on the cheap because of them though. Fucking Apple types.

It's worth it.  I'm not going back to composite or s-video.  Ever.  In typical Nintendo fashion, though, each time you boot a game that does progressive, which is actually ~90% of them, it asks if you want to display in progressive mode.  Well, of course I do, you purple piece of shit!  At least some of them will eventually take the "yes" option (RE4), but I haven't bothered waiting that long for most games.

Contrast the PS2 component cable that I bought used.  It took three trips to the soldering-iron clinic to resuscitate that corpse, and it still cost me $35.  If you have ever tried to solder a component Monster cable, you understand my aggrivation.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 19, 2005, 11:31:49 AM
The monster components for PS2 destroyed my old one to the point that I had to convince the guy at another store to take it in trade as working back when you could get $100 for it. They were too heavy for the connector. I have the sony official ones now. They're hot. And light.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 19, 2005, 11:47:50 AM
They were too heavy for the connector.

The fantastic part is that they don't need to be.  It's all sheathing; the cable is only 2% metal.  Soldering four strands of hair isn't fun.  I do have the cable supported, though, so I should be able to hold out until the PS3 barrels out of Sony's colon.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Miasma on May 20, 2005, 09:11:57 AM
Reuters Story (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20050520/tc_nm/gameexpo_nintendo_dc)

So Nintendo's president thinks that games are too confusing and difficult, feels that there is no room for improvement of graphics, sound, and complex storytelling, and he wants to create and sell games to people who don't like ... games.

That's fantastic.  Aim for the people who think that video games just waste electricity and are too stupid to handle the complexities of making Mario jump.  Then enable twenty year old content on it and have the audacity to call it "Revolution".


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 20, 2005, 10:06:35 AM
Well, a revolution doesn't necessarily mean what we'd think it would mean. He may have made a complete 180 and started chasing the past.

In that case, I suppose, the name is fitting.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: HaemishM on May 20, 2005, 10:46:08 AM
They are only calling it the Revolution so they can justify playing that 80's song on the commercials.

Quote
You spin me right round baby right round
Like a record player right round round roudn


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: schild on May 20, 2005, 10:51:42 AM
Nintendo can't use that. Dead or Alive is exclusive to the Xbox360.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Margalis on May 20, 2005, 05:11:07 PM
So Nintendo's president thinks that games are too confusing and difficult, feels that there is no room for improvement of graphics, sound, and complex storytelling, and he wants to create and sell games to people who don't like ... games.

That's a pretty common theme in the industry. Not that there is no room for improvement, but that the technology is often not the limiting factor anymore and the graphical gains are less dramatic. See all people complaining about XBox360 games looking like PS2 games? That's what that's about. Just upping the graphics ante over and over again isn't working for a variety of reasons.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 20, 2005, 05:15:11 PM
I kinda hafta agree with Margalis, although I am still annoyed at that sort of shoulder-shrugging and generic "meh" attitude about better game development. But truly, what Nintendo needs is more customers. The ones they already have tend to be pretty die-hard.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Llava on May 21, 2005, 02:55:56 PM
Frankly, yeah, I'm done looking for shinier graphics.  What we have works fine, and making them better and better is only going to cause production budgets to grow exponentially.  I'd rather have a good story and a fun game.  I don't think I'd change a thing about the graphics in RE4.

So I can see where he's going there with the graphics thing.  What I don't understand is why he'd say that games don't need better stories or gameplay though.  Uh... so wait... you don't want to use graphics as gimmicks to attract players... and you don't want a good story to draw them in... and you don't want your game to be fun.  Uh.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: HaemishM on May 23, 2005, 01:14:21 PM
The previous console generation is, IMO, the last one where graphical improvements meant shit. The next one... not so much at all. There are only two places the new consoles can go that will mean diddly squat; more processing power and a better interface. I don't mean a better software interface, or more connectivity options, or customization. I'm talking about a new type of controller, something like the mouse, that makes us go, "How did we ever play games without this?" No, adding more buttons onto an already overcrowded controller won't do it. I have no idea what this controller will be, but the first console that can come up with such a controller will win.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 23, 2005, 01:26:35 PM
I'm talking about a new type of controller, something like the mouse, that makes us go, "How did we ever play games without this?" No, adding more buttons onto an already overcrowded controller won't do it. I have no idea what this controller will be, but the first console that can come up with such a controller will win.

Save up for the Revolution because, well, it's probably our only hope for such a thing.  We won't know until Nintendo thinks Sony and MicroSoft won't be able to steal their controller idea, so sometime in 2006.  Hopefully we won't get the VirtualBoy of controllers.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 23, 2005, 01:47:16 PM
I'm talking about a new type of controller, something like the mouse, that makes us go, "How did we ever play games without this?" No, adding more buttons onto an already overcrowded controller won't do it. I have no idea what this controller will be, but the first console that can come up with such a controller will win.

You mean like in existenZ?

(http://www.orphic.nl/aliensNL/existenz_pod.jpg)


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 23, 2005, 03:13:22 PM
I'm talking about a new type of controller, something like the mouse, that makes us go, "How did we ever play games without this?" No, adding more buttons onto an already overcrowded controller won't do it. I have no idea what this controller will be, but the first console that can come up with such a controller will win.

You mean like in existenZ?

(http://www.orphic.nl/aliensNL/existenz_pod.jpg)

Congratulations on disgusting me with both an avatar and an img.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 23, 2005, 03:46:01 PM
Yes, yes, I am a very talented individual.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: AOFanboi on May 23, 2005, 04:02:19 PM
Congratulations on disgusting me with both an avatar and an img.
Says the man with the "ideas man who should always leave directing to someone capable" avatar?

eXistenZ kicked ass. Or, soft biomass game consoles plugged into a "bioport" in your spine, and guns made from bones, shooting teeth, kicked ass with the multiple levels of reality and oh no I've gone crosseyed and need to sit down.

And the MTV LOTR spoof with Jack Black and Sarah Michelle Gellar also kicked ass.

What is there to be disgusted about?


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 23, 2005, 04:03:29 PM
Wow. Way to get my back, AOFanboi.  :lol:


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: HaemishM on May 24, 2005, 10:07:37 AM
I'm talking about a new type of controller, something like the mouse, that makes us go, "How did we ever play games without this?" No, adding more buttons onto an already overcrowded controller won't do it. I have no idea what this controller will be, but the first console that can come up with such a controller will win.

You mean like in existenZ?

(http://www.orphic.nl/aliensNL/existenz_pod.jpg)

I don't want to pick up someone else's controller after they've used it for long periods of time. Catass takes on a whole new meaning.


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: voodoolily on May 24, 2005, 11:07:14 AM
Shit, if you just give it a bath and a nap it's as good as new!


Title: Re: Nintendo - what.the.fuck.
Post by: Yegolev on May 24, 2005, 02:43:23 PM
Congratulations on disgusting me with both an avatar and an img.
Says the man with the "ideas man who should always leave directing to someone capable" avatar?

Yeah, I need to fix that now that douchebag week is over.