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Title: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Velorath on April 18, 2022, 09:28:12 AM
Teaser Trailer up. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgB1wUcmbbw)

Edit by Trippy: Theaters, July 8


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Threash on April 18, 2022, 10:35:41 AM
Looks amazing, can't wait. I love how they keep finding ways to fit in goofy comic book outfits.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Trippy on May 23, 2022, 10:57:01 PM
Trailer (lots of possible spoilers):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go8nTmfrQd8


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Setanta on May 25, 2022, 09:20:27 AM
This and Guardians 3 (when it's eventually made), this is all I'm holding out for.

I really have to hand it to Gunn and Waitiki - they made the Marvel (movie) universe fun.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Sky on May 25, 2022, 09:31:20 AM
Ragnarok is my favorite Marvel movie by a pretty big margin, so I'm looking forward to this one. I'd also put Ant-Mans on the list of fun movies.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Velorath on July 08, 2022, 02:22:39 PM
Not as good as Ragnarok, but I enjoyed this well enough. Probably just above Homecoming on the top of my mid-tier. It helps that I love goats.

That said, I'm not sure what Feige was talking about when he said the direction of Phase 4 would be clearer after this movie, aside from a couple things:



Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Khaldun on July 08, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
I really hated this. My family liked it, so I'm just being a sourpuss, I guess. But it's the first Marvel movie that I'd say I actively disliked rather than shrugged at or was merely bored by.

And I love Ragnarok and almost everything Waititi does.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Trippy on July 08, 2022, 03:39:20 PM
The critics have not been kind so you aren't alone in that regard. Audiences, so far, have liked it a lot better than the critics.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/thor_love_and_thunder

Latest MCU rankings by RT critic scores:

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/all-marvel-cinematic-universe-movies-ranked/


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Threash on July 08, 2022, 05:55:16 PM
I liked it well enough, nowhere near as much as Ragnarok but still highly entertaining. Basically about the same as Guardians 2 compared to Guardians 1. Why the hell was Zeus speaking in a Russian accent anyways?


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Khaldun on July 08, 2022, 06:20:15 PM
I didn't think that was Russian, it was like some weird bad Australian version of an Italian accent, like a pizza parlor guy or something. Whatever it was, it was stupid.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Velorath on July 08, 2022, 06:25:05 PM
I can see people not liking it because Thor really gets played as too much of a joke for any sort of character arc for him to really land (saw one person point out that when Thor has to look to Star Lord of all people for wisdom, things have gone awry) . Also I personally would have liked to see Jane's arc play out over multiple movies. Overall though I had fun with it.

I'm also curious how much Guns N' Roses got paid for this movie.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Khaldun on July 08, 2022, 06:41:38 PM
I think that's a big part of it for me--it felt like a tonal dart board, where any random ten-minute sequence would try to at once say "oh the feelings, this is genuinely sad" and "Thor is really trying to be a better person guys" and "Thor is a fucking asshole and everybody hates him and he doesn't know it" and "oh for fuck's sake are any of you stupid enough to be invested in any of this? it's just silly fun you silly heads, it's a comic book" and "look at my clever cleverness, the rock god is sitting on a throne of scissors, I crack myself up". You certainly couldn't take the idea that Thor has an arc even remotely seriously, except that his arc is maybe trending towards 'he is a really dumb fucking bro asshole'. If Loki had been in this movie, I'd have been rooting for him to stab Thor. If they'd played Gorr with even a slight bit more investment, I would have been on Team Gorr.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Threash on July 08, 2022, 06:42:54 PM
"look at my clever cleverness, the rock god is sitting on a throne of scissors, I crack myself up".

Didn't even fucking notice that, that's hilarious.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Khaldun on July 08, 2022, 07:17:13 PM
I mean, it is! but the thing goes from one-off Airplane! level jokes like that to wanting us to be invested in Thor's character development to wanting us to care about Gorr's emotions to wanting us to think that "love" really is the thing that makes the universe go round only even at the end I'm not at all convinced that Thor isn't just going to wander off and be a deadbeat again.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Velorath on July 08, 2022, 09:14:21 PM
I think that's a big part of it for me--it felt like a tonal dart board, where any random ten-minute sequence would try to at once say "oh the feelings, this is genuinely sad" and "Thor is really trying to be a better person guys" and "Thor is a fucking asshole and everybody hates him and he doesn't know it" and "oh for fuck's sake are any of you stupid enough to be invested in any of this? it's just silly fun you silly heads, it's a comic book" and "look at my clever cleverness, the rock god is sitting on a throne of scissors, I crack myself up". You certainly couldn't take the idea that Thor has an arc even remotely seriously, except that his arc is maybe trending towards 'he is a really dumb fucking bro asshole'. If Loki had been in this movie, I'd have been rooting for him to stab Thor. If they'd played Gorr with even a slight bit more investment, I would have been on Team Gorr.

I think part of the problem, and maybe why Iron Man, Strange, and Thor have struggled a bit with their sequels is because they've all completed their main arcs in their first movies. You've got these arrogant, privileged guys who are suddenly put in a position where they're vulnerable and they learn how to become heroes. After that, what do you really do to continue to develop them? Generally the answer seems to been to have them backslide a bit or spin their wheels. Thor has spent his 3 sequels so far realizing that he doesn't want to be king, but also still being wishy-washy about what he actually wants to be.

GotG2's least successful character arc I think was Rocket's whole "I act like an asshole to push people the people I care about away" thing. Further defining the familial relationships between Star Lord and Yondu, and Gamora and Nebula, were the more successful arcs.

I loved No Way Home, but it could also be noted that Spider-man's solo outings have largely been about dealing with the ramifications of his horrific decision making. Tom Holland's Spidey arc here is once again learning that with great power, comes great responsibility.

Ragnarok is maybe more notable for continuing to develop Loki's character rather than Thor's (about the only thing Dark World was successful at as well).

Cap on the other hand started out heroic, and has arc across his movies was largely about his increasing distrust and disillusionment with those in charge (after having started off his career as a soldier). As such I think he has the most successful solo franchise in the MCU.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: MournelitheCalix on July 26, 2022, 10:34:53 PM
Wish there was more Gorr in this.   Christian Bale killed the role.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Khaldun on July 30, 2022, 12:40:26 PM
It would have been nice to see one action scene of Gorr killing some big scary god, for sure, as opposed to a quick montage of "gods Gorr has killed" followed by "oh my look Sif is there, her arm is missing, which is evidence that Gorr is a badass but somehow is also funny for some reason."


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: NowhereMan on July 30, 2022, 05:51:12 PM
I enjoyed this but tonal dart board is a pretty bang on criticism. I enjoyed most of the bits in this, the comedy landed well where it happened, the actions scenes were fun and most of the emotional scenes were well done but they were all hugely undercut by being all mashed together. They really needed to try and pull back on the humour a bit for the third act at least. As much as I really did enjoy it, ultimately having jokes popping in meant that there never really felt like there were proper stakes in the actions and the comedy sometimes didn't flow properly.

I will say the whole major plot that someone was trying to kill the gods never felt particularly serious. Thor is pretty much the only god we saw who was in any way sympathetic and as a consequence it just felt like Gorr's whole thing needed to be stopped to save Thor. They could really have done with doing at least a little bit of set up for why the audience should give a shit about stopping Gorr from killing all the gods. That said all the jealous weapon bits were fantastic.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Khaldun on August 04, 2022, 05:28:17 AM
It just also feels like they suddenly peopled the MCU with an absolute asston of very super-powered beings who have no explanations or backstories.

Which, to be honest, is pretty faithful to the Marvel comics, too, where it's really hard to figure out what the fuck "gods" actually are. But the MCU bent over backwards to make it clear that the Asgardians weren't gods in the sense of supernatural beings who arose out of or on Earth, they were aliens with tech-so-advanced-it-was-magic and they sometimes came to Earth to fight Ice Giants and shit. (After Ragnarok, that got more complicated; if you buy Hela's story, they also conquered a lot of places.)

How you fit all the pantheons (human-connected and otherwise) into that is more complicated. I guess there's a lot of super-advanced aliens in the galaxy who sometimes visit or get really attached to a single planet or society. Which really could have made Gorr even more sympathetic if they wanted to play it that way--basically these are very very powerful cultures that take advantage of less powerful ones without much fear for the consequences. But that would have taken enough tonal focus to tell that story a bit more clearly. Waititi managed it in Ragnarok with Hela, though.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Threash on August 04, 2022, 10:51:24 AM
A god is someone who was powerful enough to have worshippers and egotistical enough to roll with it. That's why they are all assholes.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Khaldun on August 04, 2022, 05:23:33 PM
Yeah, it's just that if there's LOTS of them in the universe, it starts to have the same problem as a single planet over-choked with superheroes. There stops being anything special about them at all.


Title: Re: Thor: Love and Thunder
Post by: Threash on August 04, 2022, 06:21:10 PM
That is the point. Just dumb people that see someone call down lightning and decide he is the god of thunder. If the Avengers had shown up a thousand years earlier they'd be gods too like the Eternals. They are not supposed to be special.