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Wilson to Denver (unofficial): https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33454258/sources-seattle-seahawks-trade-qb-russell-wilson-denver-broncos

Rodgers stays in Green Bay for record money: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-packers-agree-to-four-year-deal-as-qb-becomes-highest-paid-player-in-nfl-history/

Also, Wentz to the Washington Commanders - https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33462068/washington-commanders-trading-indianapolis-colts-qb-carson-wentz-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33462068/washington-commanders-trading-indianapolis-colts-qb-carson-wentz-sources-say)

JFC, I don't know what motherfucker cursed Carson Wentz, but that bumpkin is just straight up destined to fail. I don't know what the fuck Ron Rivera thinks he's going to do to get consistent play out of Wentz, but he's going to a team with a whole lot less talent on the offense and the coaching staff.

Speaking of coaching, apparently Josh McDaniels took a bunch of his offensive coaching staff to LV and there's been no move to replace them by Bellichick, leading to speculation he might be the offensive playcaller this season. I think it's early days for that, but losing Josh after only one season coaching Jones is going to hurt a bit.

Tom Brady canceling his retirement to return to Tampa Bay is not something I had on my bingo card

Well shit, that didn't take long.

EDIT: Also, the Browns get Amari Cooper from the Cowboys. (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33486030/dallas-cowboys-agree-trade-wide-receiver-amari-cooper-cleveland-browns-sources-say)

Because getting one big name wide receiver on a reclamation project worked out so well for them the last two years, why not go again?

Amari is way more technical in his route running though so that should serve Baker better than OBJ. But who knows....

Brady is back BTW...

Gotta feel sorry for that guy who paid $500k for the ball used in Brady's last pass.

Actually, no you don't. Maybe he could sue Brady for Fraud. That would be one of the great "sell ticketrs" slapfights.

Cleveland Browns just lost my support. Please return to the factory of sadness, you lousy fucks.

For those who don't know what I mean, the Browns just traded away 5 draft picks, including their next 3 years of first-round picks, for Deshaun Watson. Watson is now credibly linked to 22 sexual assault cases but since the Houston grand jury decided not to indict him on the 10 criminal cases, owners in the NFL needing a franchise QB who isn't Baker Mayfield fell all over themselves to be first in line to hitch their future to this prick.

Which would all be shitty enough, until you learn the details of the $230 million extension they signed him to in order to get him to go there. All $230 million (ALL OF IT) is guaranteed money, which is just an insane amount of guaranteed money for an NFL contract. If that weren't enough, his base salary for this year is only $1 million. Since the NFL has said that just because he isn't getting indicted, doesn't mean they won't punish him if their investigation uncovers wrongdoing. By setting his base salary so low, even if he's suspended for the minimum six games, he would only be giving up $60,000 per game, instead of what one might normally expect for a contract worth that much money. Meaning that the organization structured his contract specifically to make any punishment he might receive from the NFL toothless.

And the rumor is that Cleveland had decided they needed "an adult" to be their franchise QB.

Fuck the Browns so hard. If it was just 1 or 2 different massage therapists accusing him, I'd be inclined to be skeptical. 22? No, that dude's a creep.

My and the old lady also abandoned all fanhood for the Browns, fuck 'em. To not only do Baker dirty like that, but to do it for a scumbag like Watson? I hope Garrett can get a ticket out at some point though I feel bad for Winovich (but happy to have Wilson). And that Mayfield lands in Indianapolis.

It was a wild week.

Cleveland's FO is just keeping a sexual predator QB in the AFC North now that Big Ben is gone.

Once the curse kicks in, Haslam will sell the team in 5 years, so wake me when that happens.

That's the guy that got his jolly rogers by going to normal massage therapists and trying to force them to do a handjob or worse on him, rather than getting a hooker like a normal guy with zillions of bucks would, right?

Gosh.

Worth a quarter of a Billion right there. Whatta role model.

That is what I really do not understand with this guy and this case....it just doesn't make any damn sense for him to behave that way.  I mean, I totally believe he did it, he must have got off on that exact scenario of trying to force a legit masseuse to give him a handy or whatever.  Idiot.

Matt Ryan to the Colts (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/matt-ryan-traded-to-colts-falcons-sending-former-nfl-mvp-to-indianapolis-for-third-round-pick)

Ok, so while I don't think this was a bad trade for the Colts (since they only give up a 3rd rounder for a guy who can clearly still QB), I do question the wisdom of going into their third straight offseason with the strategy of "let's just take someone else's veteran QB and see if we can win with him." Rivers had a better track record than Ryan IMO, but still clearly only had one season in him. Wentz was worth a shot because he was at least on the right side of 30. But yet another older, not mobile QB on the downside of his career? I don't think Indy is THAT close to a title, especially not in an AFC that is just fucking loaded with this generation's elite QB's.

Meanwhile, the Falcons signed Mariotta (LOL), Mayfield, Winston and Jimmy G are still out there for anyone that wants to try them on.

Winston is back in N.O. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33564981/sources-new-orleans-saints-re-sign-qb-jameis-winston-two-year-28-million-deal

Mayfield is probably bound for Seattle at this point, unless the Panthers get creative.

Hide yo' shrimp.

Seattle would be a decent place for Mayfield. He's just a less talented, Wilson.

Maybe it's just recency bias, but does it feel like the QB carousel is spinning especially hard this offseason?

Of course, all these changes have just solidified that Tampa will win the South in a walk this season. I do not trust the Rapist in New Orleans to either stay healthy or stop throwing balls to the other team, the Panthers are just a trainwreck reliant on Christian McCaffery's increasingly fragile legs and the Falcons have been godawful even with Ryan and Julio Jones since they gave up a 28-3 halftime lead in the Super Bowl, and now they don't even have Calvin Ridley for their first round pick QB to throw to. I'm trying hard to think of a team in the NFC that has improved their team dramatically this offseason and I can't, while most of the teams on the cusp in the AFC have already gotten better (Chargers, Bills) and even the middling teams got some improvement (Denver, Colts, Raiders).

Of course, free agent signings or trades in the NFL aren't often as much of a sure thing as in other sports, but adding a QB like Wilson and Ryan to those teams should be an upgrade from what they had.

The best thing about the Matty Ice trade was that Indy had just gotten that 3rd round pick from the, ahem, Commies and flipped it to get Ryan. I'll take a straight trade Wentz for Ryan any day. I feel bad for Baker, and agree Seattle is the best he can hope for, but it won't be for long when he doesn't pan out to be some magic Wilson replacement.

I'm also sus about what's going on with NE's coaching situation and general trading ennui. Word is Joe Judge is now the QB coach, and we've been shedding some prime talent for peanuts (Shaq Mason for a 5th round pick? Who the fuck you gon get in round 5 that's going to play better than Mason!?).

Anyway, the way has been paved for Brady to pick up the NFC title.  :grin:

Is there no buzz around Mayfield ending up in Pittsburgh?  I know they picked up Mitch Trubisky, but he's probably not a long-term answer and the draft is such a dice roll.

Buzz is all about Seattle and NYG and maybe Carolina. Nothing will happen till after the draft though... my opinion.

Yeah, I think Pittsburgh is somehow OK with Trubisky, or at least don't think Mayfield would be a significant enough upgrade to sully themselves by trading within their division. I could see Carolina taking a flier on him if they don't think their draft options are that great, and Seattle is probably not making the playoffs with or without Baker Mayfield. And there's still Jimmy G out there, looking all forlorn while everybody else gets talked about. He could just end up being the most expensive backup QB or Trey Lance could continue to stink and he's the starter by default.

I don't necessarily see the Giants pulling off a trade for Mayfield - he can't be that much better than Daniel Jones, not with that floating garbage scow of talent they have in New York.

Seattle is probably the best option out there for any of these guys, even though they don't have a lot of talent on the roster, but at least their coaching situation is better than both New York and Carolina.

As for Joe Judge being New England's QB coach, good fucking luck with that. Dude is dumber than two bags of hammers.

I love Baker, but I'd flip a coin between him and Mitch. I think Seattle is a good fit for him right now, but it might not be the worst thing if he lands in the time-out chair for a season to do some Gronk heal magic. Jimmy G just can't catch a break but will likely be the starter in SF at some point. The dude had them almost beating the powerhouse Rams in the conference round, ffs. What more do you want? Honestly, Jimmy G has been in the top ten of guys I'd take for my team since he left NE (just make sure he has a solid O-line to help him stay healthy). Who else have the Niners had playing at that level (besides Kaep), since Young? If I was a QB looking for a place to land, a place with Lockett and Metcalf, backed up by CMC, is where I'd want to be.

I played a Falcons/Seahawks game (as the Hawks) on Madden last night and it was FUCKING WEIRD knowing that's the last Madden with those QBs on those teams, hearing the voiceovers about how long they'd been the faces of the franchise was a bummer. (also fuck Cordarrelle Patterson whom I love only when he's on my team)

I'm still trying to wrap my head around getting rid of Ryan in favor of Mariota.

For Jimmy G it's complicated because he still has a rather large contract and he just had shoulder surgery. If one or both of things weren't true it's likely he would've already been traded. He's be a great fit for Seattle, for example, even with a recovering shoulder, if his contract wasn't so large, though of course the Niners might not be willing to trade him to a division rival.

Another shitbag gets paid. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33578433/sources-miami-dolphins-acquire-kansas-city-chiefs-wr-tyreek-hill-five-draft-picks

It's called 'tanking' which is honestly what Atlanta should have been doing for years now, because holy shit has that team been bad outside of Ryan, Ridley and when healthy, Julio Jones.

The Tyreek Hill trade was big news but bigger news was Miami getting Terron Armstead to play tackle for Tua. Maybe if Tua is protected, he might not suck so hard? With Chase Edmond, Hill and an O line, he has no excuse other than a schizo organization and a first time coach who probably only got hired to throw off the scent of the Flores' lawsuit.

I know we like to say 'let Russ cook', but sheeeesh

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33587053/suites-seats-catch-fire-denver-broncos-empower-field-mile-high

  :why_so_serious:

If only that happened at First Energy... it would be the perfect NFL dumpster fire meme.

From the friction of the handies, probably  :oh_i_see:

I read that as 'handles' and thought you were making a Russell Wilson fat joke. Which amused me to no end. SO GLAD HE IS GONE. No more nanobubbles, no more robot 'Go Hawks', no more Ciara circus bullshit, no more Jeebus humping. And that is just the off field stuff. On field he was rapidly declining as he got older/fatter/less willing to run. Denver is going to regret the fuck out of this in 2 years. Which is about when the Hawks might be ready to turn around, incidentally...

I've not been a fan of this kid, despite his athleticism. Clearly he has a high opinion of himself, but then to have a press conference to defend your lack of film watching that just extolls your pre-NFL career when your single trip to the playoffs (on your third try) ends in a play worthy of Carson Wentz?


One month later...

(https://brobible.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/kyler-murray.jpg)

It's cute that he and the team think this is not completely and opaquely an obvious move to get him to actually start watching film and not just play video games. You can get back to boasting after you have a fistfull of rings, dickbag. Or don't, fuck Arizona  :why_so_serious:

Well at least the AZ thing has sucked all the attention out of the room from the Browns smoldering dumpster fire of a team - at least until we see how many games Watson gets.

Yeah, Murray just annoys me with his spoiled child behavior. We're praying hard for the Browns to fail spectacularly, fuck Watson and the ownership. I feel bad for the other players, the Mayfield era Browns were my backup favorite team  :why_so_serious: and I was running them more in Madden franchise than the Patriots (mostly due to Chubb/Hunt/Garrett/Ward).

Wouldn't be the Cardinals if they didn't make bonehead personnel decisions. His complaining press conference was spectacular: "Hey guys, I win all of the time. I'm short. Give me a break. Of course I study. FaZe Clan WOOT WOOT WOOT."

So, it's dropped. He can go back to earning $46 mil a year playing football and $250k (joking, I have no idea) being part of the douchiest gamer life style brand on the planet. Who knows, maybe he'll just decide he wants to play baseball. GAH. I'd just like to see him have a decent game when Hopkins isn't on the field.

People who are truly great at things rarely talk about how truly great they are. The pursuit of greatness is what makes them great, that's why guys like Jerry Rice are first in the building and last to leave. Nothing about Murray in the NFL has earned that kind of braggadocio, the league has a long trail of talented kids who skated on talent when they didn't realize that they were in the pool with guys who were at least as talented AND didn't skip the hard work and study part.

Watson suspended for 6 games (https://apnews.com/article/deshaun-watson-nfl-suspension-34fbe200366a02cd1f8d4c6977b0308e)

Anonymous sources of course, since it hasn't been publicly announced yet. But if true, that is some serious bullshit. Time to see the 0-17 Browns.

Man I know you are outraged, but why wish doom on a fanbase that already had to endure a shit ton of strife since 99? Not much we can do about the owners or front office that caused all this mess, clearly no amount of protesting does anything to change shit. Have the fans boycott and watch Cleveland lose the team to another city again?

A quarter of a game for every woman he sexually assaulted. Neat.

The AP article is written backwards cause they buried the part where the league was asking for a full season and they have a chance to appeal the ruling / send it to arbitration still.

There’s a cornerback on the Jets roster named Rachad Wildgoose. If there isn’t a “wild goose chase” reference at least once this season, I’m going to be terribly disappointed.

There’s also a WR on the Bengals named Chase.

The Jets and the Bengals are playing each other this season. Make. It. Happen.

This has to be one of the worst seasons I have ever witnessed. Just boring bad football everywhere. The fucking Eagles are the only undefeated? The NCF East is the best in the division conference...? (edit to fix stupid)

Wake me up,
when the season ends . . .

 Denver might be the most unwatchable team I have seen in years. Russel Wilson knob gobbling + horrendous football.

What the fuck are these roughing calls?

Misinterpretations of the bodyslam/body weight components of the roughing rule, exacerbated by being unreviewable. There was some torque on the Brady sack and the other guy did come down on Carr (you can see the 'supporting arm' defense either way depending on how you want to see it, looked incidental when I was watching the game).

I don't think they're anywhere near as egregious as folks are making out, but I guess as long as the conversation starts to get another 'judgement call' foul looked at and adjusted, that's a good thing. Hopefully roughing calls will get the same attention PI calls got a few years back when the Saints got boned out of the SB. It'll take a few seasons to get it in better working and it'll never be perfect, but PI is generally in a WAY better place than it was 5 years ago imo.

But the real answer is PAY THE REFS. Make them full-time employees. A ref should never be working a Sunday night game when he has to go back to his FT accounting job first thing Monday morning, but that's how it is. Crazy to put such an important component of a billion+ dollar business on PT help like that.

I've been watching a whole lot less NFL this season. It's just not as fun anymore. Aaron Rodgers turning out to be a massive lying shitbag doesn't help, but it's even worse trying to watch them and seeing him lose the game because he thinks he can win it all by himself (similar to how he shit the bed against the Niners in the playoffs last season). I get that he's got nothing but rookies, a mediocre guy like Lazard and the aging corpse of Randall Cobb to throw to, but he clearly thinks he can just make any throw now at any time and he's not been that guy for at least a season, especially not without Davante Adams. That he spent the entire second half against the Giants going 3 and out by airmailing home run balls to the fucking moon was just irritating.

Watching all these dudes get literally concussed live and the NFL doing everything they can to say it wasn't a concussion doesn't help me.

Watching Rodgers lose to the Jets was fun though.

It was infuriating. He's clearly not as accurate as he's been in the past. I'm not about to blame it all on rookie receivers (though that is certainly an issue). His offensive is utter garbage right now - though again, Quinnen Williams from the Jets is an absolute stud. That still doesn't explain how the line was continually beaten with the same stunts and blitz packages. Rodgers' ability to sense the rush and get out the pocket is so suspect right now. He holds onto the ball too long, doesn't move off his spot or worse, moves right up into the rush so many times. And he seems incapable these days of spreading the targets around. He hasn't been an "elite" QB since that playoff game with the Niners. And their defense is also back to being unable to stop the run.

I think they make the playoffs but I no longer have any confidence this team will make any kind of run.

Too much Ayahuasca. And too much hanging out with Joe Rogan.

But hey, I'll take it if it gives my perennially underperforming team a shot in the arm.

Randall Cobb is now out for a few weeks with an ankle injury. DeSean Jackson is looking for work, though.

Seattle fans:

(https://i.imgflip.com/2o6h8q.jpg)

Watching the rest of the world discover what a self-promoting cunt Russ is has been glorious. He decided a couple of years ago that he was just a pocket passer now, and has gone directly into the shitter.

Russ is the solo artist and sees his teammates as his roadies. I am sorta loving watching the Denver local media try and untie themselves after this past summer of all the RAHRAH we going to the superbowl with Russ and Hackett.

Honestly think they can get right but not this year, then again, I don't give a shit about the NFL anymore. I've about disowned the Browns and have no real team to back now, so I am just watching games in which I hate both teams.

He used to have the talent, at least, to justify some of that behavior. That's no longer the case, thanks to age and injuries, etc.

New rule: every HC/OC gets fired every week if they don't run Jonathan Taylor at least 3/4 of the game.

And the Packers shit the bed in exactly the fashion I knew they would: Aaron Rodgers trying to make a hero throw his body is no longer able to make, just tossing up a stinker and expecting Davante Adams to catch it from Las Vegas. If Rodgers retires, or forces a trade out of Green Bay or gets released in the offseason, I find it very hard to give a shit. Either Jordan Love is capable or he's not but Rodgers is no longer the HOF QB he was, but his giant fucking ego won't accept that. There's plenty of blame to go around, mind you, as the defense hasn't been able to adequately stop the run since Kaepernick beat the pants off of them in the playoffs oh so many years ago, their wide receiver recruitment has been suspect at best and even the two young guys they have now might not be consistent enough to be #1's for at least another 2 years. The Pack is not only going to piss away Rodgers last chance at a ring, they are going to make sure Aaron Jones and AJ Dillion are always wasted in pointless seasons with one-and-done playoff appearances.

But it's been a good 30 years with HOF level QB play, which is more than most fans get to see, I guess.

In short, get fuck  :grin:

Can't believe the nfl is pretending that they couldn't just put any game btwn Bengals and Bills in playoffs @ Steelers stadium now (or if they wanted it to be memorable The Big House) if they wanted to and any game btwn Chiefs and Bills/Bengals would be at Titans stadium or for college stadiums Tenn/Alabama/Auburn or there abouts.

Everything but Miami v Bills is intriguing for wild card round though so go football? I assume the NFC is about to win super bowl somehow someway, probably the AFC side will be such a meatgrinder while the Eagles, Cowboys or Niners are going to cake walk.

Odd that half of the wildcard games are divisional games.

AFCE - Bill/Dolphins
AFCN - Bengals/Ravens
NFCW - Seahawks/49ers

Giants and Cowboys just missed... and 3/4 NFCE teams are in which is bonkers.

The AFC East was crazy this year, at least before the Jets predictably imploded.

As far as the NFC, I'm a Dak/Zeke fan going back to their rookie year, but I don't think they're a superbowl contender compared to the Eagles (with Hurts) and Niners (with apparently anyone at QB).

The Niners had the #1 ranked D by points and yards allowed.

Over the last few years especially, Aaron Rodgers managed to make himself possibly the most disliked person in the NFL. I think people would root for Tom Brady over Rodgers at this point. Actual rapist Ben Roethlisberger could come out of retirement and people would cheer him on over Rodgers. People who don't even watch football hate Aaron Rodgers. We all know the horrible victory lap we would have had to endure if Rodgers had won last night. As if being absolute shit most of the season and then pulling off a small winning streak against mostly bad teams would somehow be silencing the haters that just never had faith. Choking at Lambeau Field to end the Packers season for the 3rd straight year in a row was the best possible outcome last night.

Or, what Cyrrex said.

I don't disagree with you. I was one of Rodgers' biggest fans for a long time right up until the vax thing when he showed his entire ass. And then just kept showing it. I think I'd rather see how good Jordan Love is over having to endure another season of his smug face and hero-ball failures. At least they might have the salary cap space to sign a real free agent wide receiver or a d-line that could stop an off-tackle run.