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Title: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Trippy on September 09, 2021, 11:05:45 AM
The Matrix Resurrections in theaters and on HBO Max December 22 2021.

Trailer 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ix7TUGVYIo


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Threash on September 09, 2021, 02:45:05 PM
Looks great, will probably pay to watch in a theater instead of watching at home.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Rasix on September 09, 2021, 03:51:31 PM
Have fun. I don't anticipate being in a theatre until this pandemic is mostly over. I don't have much faith in my fellow man, and I'm not going while it's still crowded. Dunno how I'll be able to resist it just sitting there on HBOMax.

Still, looks flashy. I'm sold.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: TheWalrus on September 09, 2021, 04:42:10 PM
Just cough a lot, it'll clear a space around ya.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Khaldun on September 09, 2021, 08:01:16 PM
Hm. Count me a skeptic. I think they messed up the basic idea in the two sequels; I'm not sure they can dig it out.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: eldaec on September 10, 2021, 01:30:06 AM
I can't help noticing that every shot in that trailer looks like it is referencing the original film rather than trying anything new.

Only now the special effects look unremarkable.

If it gets good word of mouth I'll sit through it on TV but certainly not bothering with the cinema.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Threash on September 10, 2021, 09:16:21 AM
Just cough a lot, it'll clear a space around ya.

I've watched black widow and shang chi so far in theaters and there was plenty of empty space at both, this one i assume will be even emptier since its on TV. Plus I'm not an idiot so I'm fully vaxxed.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Korachia on September 10, 2021, 10:53:41 AM
I cant help myself when it comes to the matrix, so I will go see it. My gut instinct says it will be good, but not great.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Riggswolfe on September 10, 2021, 10:56:34 AM
I cant help myself when it comes to the matrix, so I will go see it. My gut instinct says it will good, but not great.

I think it may be a warning sign that only one of the Wachowksis is directly involved. I suspect the other one basically said "ugh, I want to do something new..."


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Sir T on September 10, 2021, 03:24:36 PM
They HAVE been doing lots of different "something new" for a decade now. The fact that people cant remember shows how successful their "something new" has been.

Personally, I think the original Matrix was a fluke and accidentally good. They had plenty of chances since to prove me wrong, and they haven't.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: HaemishM on September 10, 2021, 07:50:00 PM
Everything they've done after the original Matrix has been mediocre at best. This one looks decent and I'm glad to see that they went with a more modern visual tone rather than the colder tones of the originals. Since it's on HBO Max, that's where I'll be watching it.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: lamaros on September 11, 2021, 06:19:12 PM
I'm always that guy, but.

This looks like low rent nostalgic shit.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Rendakor on September 11, 2021, 07:13:33 PM
Yea I'm not gonna pretend to be excited for this. I disagree with Haemish about the visuals, and prefer the cold, black look of the original. I barely remember the two (entirely unnecessary) sequels other than the iconic fight scenes, despite loving the original, so I guess I'll need to rewatch them if this turns out to actually be good. HBO means free at least, so there's that.

It's weird that they recast Morpheus, but not Neo and Trinity. A new story with all new characters would be more interesting to me than this, but if you're going to keep some of the cast you ought to keep the whole cast. As far as I can tell, Lawrence Fishburne was not even offered the role of Morpheus so this is deliberate and not the result of some off-screen difficulties (which would be tragic but at least understandable).


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Father mike on September 12, 2021, 12:14:27 AM
On the lack of Morpheus: I saw an article saying that in 'Enter the Matrix' (long gone MMO), there was a story arc where the new big bad of an expansion killed Morpheus.  And the Wachowskis said everything in the game was cannon, soooooo ... yeah.

There ware also hints that real world Morpheus had somehow survived his Matrix assassination, in case they needed to walk that back at some point.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Riggswolfe on September 12, 2021, 01:57:43 AM
Everything they've done after the original Matrix has been mediocre at best. This one looks decent and I'm glad to see that they went with a more modern visual tone rather than the colder tones of the originals. Since it's on HBO Max, that's where I'll be watching it.

I actually really liked Speed Racer but didn't particularly care for anything else they've done.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Threash on September 12, 2021, 08:04:03 AM
Everything they've done after the original Matrix has been mediocre at best. This one looks decent and I'm glad to see that they went with a more modern visual tone rather than the colder tones of the originals. Since it's on HBO Max, that's where I'll be watching it.

I actually really liked Speed Racer but didn't particularly care for anything else they've done.

It might just have been the rock bottom expectations but I enjoyed Speed Racer a lot more than I thought I would.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Velorath on September 12, 2021, 08:33:15 AM
Cloud Atlas is better than Speed Racer.


And Bound is better than the Matrix.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Zetor on September 12, 2021, 08:52:33 AM
I liked Sense8 well enough... it was kinda batshit, but also fun. Haven't watched season 2 though, maybe it goes to shit there (and/or everything ends in a massive orgy  :awesome_for_real:)


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Sky on September 14, 2021, 06:28:12 AM
I'm always that guy, but.

This looks like low rent nostalgic shit.
I'll take it further. Living through this 90s nostalgia shit is veeeery similar to living through the 60s nostalgia shit (except with worse everything).

Nüboomerz.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: schild on September 14, 2021, 09:06:36 AM
Quote
Living through this 90s nostalgia shit is veeeery similar to living through the 60s nostalgia shit (except with worse everything).

Sorry fella, the 60s nostalgia had nothing that even raised a finger to Hackers.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Velorath on September 14, 2021, 10:40:21 AM
Matrix was 1999 so we're on the cusp of 2000's nostalgia, really.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Samwise on September 14, 2021, 11:20:24 AM
Hackers isn't 90s nostalgia, it was made in the actual 90s.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: 01101010 on September 14, 2021, 11:48:41 AM
Personally? Singles is my 90s touchstone.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: lamaros on September 14, 2021, 11:09:42 PM
Hackers has a great soundtrack.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Velorath on September 14, 2021, 11:14:32 PM
Personally? Singles is my 90s touchstone.

If you had said Swingers I might have been on board. That movie is so fucking money.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: 01101010 on September 15, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Personally? Singles is my 90s touchstone.

If you had said Swingers I might have been on board. That movie is so fucking money.

Definitely - in fact Hackers, Swingers, and Singles might put me in a nostalgia coma for the weekend. These are invariably linked to my undergrad years which was a definitive high water mark for me. Matrix came out while I was in grad school and my life had a much different tone at that point.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Surlyboi on September 20, 2021, 06:23:45 PM
On the lack of Morpheus: I saw an article saying that in 'Enter the Matrix' (long gone MMO), there was a story arc where the new big bad of an expansion killed Morpheus.  And the Wachowskis said everything in the game was cannon, soooooo ... yeah.

There ware also hints that real world Morpheus had somehow survived his Matrix assassination, in case they needed to walk that back at some point.

Was there when it happened, Morpheus definitely ate it. That said, we never knew what the final outcome was.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Tale on September 23, 2021, 07:31:09 AM
I'm not excited for this. My wife was an extra in Matrix 2 and 3, and she's not been invited back. Also, it looks like a thin tribute to the original.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: pants on September 23, 2021, 02:58:33 PM
I'm getting real The Force Awakens vibe from this.  Happy to be proven wrong.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: schild on September 24, 2021, 05:02:00 PM
I'm not excited for this. My wife was an extra in Matrix 2 and 3, and she's not been invited back. Also, it looks like a thin tribute to the original.

*I'd like to inquire more*


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Tale on September 24, 2021, 06:49:05 PM
*I'd like to inquire more*

The Matrix trilogy was filmed here in Sydney (I still don't know I'm in a vat created by an advanced AI). There's a scene where Neo gets out of a car near my old work. My wife is of African appearance and that's rare in Australia because 1) we enslaved Pacific Islanders instead, and 2) we had actual whites-only immigration until the 1970s. African-looking extras were sought out to make The Matrix's ethnic mix look American. She's somewhere in the crowd scenes. Joking about not being invited back - I don't think the new one was filmed here.

Looks like a series of re-enacted scenes masquerading as a plot. Hope I'm wrong about that.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 07, 2021, 12:12:39 PM
New trailer is out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNpvWBuTfrc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNpvWBuTfrc)

I have two major theories about this movie. I'll spoiler just in case though odds are I'm wrong:



Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Trippy on December 07, 2021, 01:52:57 PM
Yes the latest trailer implies your #2. #1 may or may not be required.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Tale on December 07, 2021, 03:46:42 PM


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Threash on December 08, 2021, 08:40:15 AM
If they are replacing the one it's going to be with someone young enough to carry the franchise forward...


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Khaldun on December 08, 2021, 10:47:51 AM
Maybe


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 08, 2021, 03:20:30 PM
If they are replacing the one it's going to be with someone young enough to carry the franchise forward...


That depends on their intentions. This may just be a one-off. If so, my spoilered theory could happen. But if this is the Matrix Sequel Trilogy then yes, one of the new characters is likely the new one. I actually thought it was nuSmith in the first trailer but now I think he is just an agent.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Threash on December 22, 2021, 05:14:33 PM
This wasn't great, not terrible but kinda pointless. Extremely meta which was enjoyable in parts, but you can't have a discussion about how the best part of the originals was the bullet time and you need a new bullet time for the sequel and then not fucking deliver.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 22, 2021, 09:22:35 PM
Watched it. The narrative was sort of intriguing but not amazing.

Ironically, the thing I was most disappointed by were the fights. It had modern quick cut shaky cam in a lot of the fights and I was dumbfounded. This is a series known for filming good fights. Why ruin that part of your legacy? I also noticed it had a lot of quick cuts. A lot of them. I feel like the editor just really did a terrible job on this movie.

The script also had issues. There were moments that felt like we were missing part of the movie. One of the biggest examples for me:




Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 22, 2021, 09:23:33 PM
Accidental double post



Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Samwise on December 22, 2021, 09:26:03 PM
Yeah, the meta stuff in the first part of the movie was the best part.  It slowly went downhill from there.


Overall I'd rank it above 2 & 3, but still waaaay below 1.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Velorath on December 22, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
I don't know, I feel like 2 and 3 actually had ambition. And... you know... actual Morpheus and Agent Smith.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Surlyboi on December 22, 2021, 09:40:10 PM
Meta. As. Fuck.



Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 22, 2021, 09:53:04 PM
Meta. As. Fuck.


It was honestly too meta for me. It pushed it so far that it felt like it was constantly reminding me of the other, better movies. The only time I got a bit excited was when I briefly thought they might be brave and make you question Neo's sanity.

Yeah, the meta stuff in the first part of the movie was the best part.  It slowly went downhill from there.


This was another of my problems. It's actually two different movies. The first half is all meta. All the time. And the second half is trying desperately to be a Matrix movie again but it just felt off the whole time. Also, I don't buy that the fight scenes were bad because of Keanu Reeves getting older. We've all seen John Wick. He still has what it takes. It was just trashy quick cut shaky cam BS for some fights and piss poor choreography in others. It was mystifying.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Surlyboi on December 22, 2021, 11:29:09 PM
The John Wick fights have been with other trained fighters for the most part though. People who know the moves and can adapt and make it look smoother. The only ones other than Keanu in this one with that kind of muscle memory were probably NuMorpheus and Bugs. I will agree that the choreography was rougher and the filming and blocking were trash though.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Threash on December 23, 2021, 07:53:35 AM
Pretty sure nobody in the originals was a trained fighter besides Keanu, and I'm not even sure he was at that point. Jessica Henwick at the bare minimum can kick some ass.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Surlyboi on December 23, 2021, 08:33:05 AM
Those movies also had the bonus of Yuen Woo Ping doing the fight sequences.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: HaemishM on December 24, 2021, 10:39:25 PM
This was bad in ways it literally should not have been, yet there it was. The cinematography was about as bland and uninteresting as one could get. None of the original sense of style was here, not even updated for the modern time. It was just boring. The story made no fucking sense, half of it relying on remembering some minor character's name from the originals. I was so checked out by like the 90 minute mark. The big victorious reveal at the climax was so predictable, I just sighed when it happened. The only positive out of the whole thing was Jessica Henwick (Bugs) who was also the only good thing in Iron Fist. Double negative points for the shitty shit cover of Rage Against the Machine over the credits.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Surlyboi on December 24, 2021, 11:10:06 PM
Yeah, but the chick that sang it pissed on a guy at a live show back in October, so… edgy.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Draegan on December 26, 2021, 07:49:58 AM
Way too long.
Way too stupid.
Nothing happened that I cared about.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: MediumHigh on December 26, 2021, 11:24:41 PM
This was bad in a predictable kinda way. Like man what's the most low effort, least interesting version of the Matrix you can think of?

"Oh I know" and proceeds to shit out this turd.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: Threash on December 27, 2021, 07:36:58 AM
I don't think it was predictable that they'd totally fuck up things like fight choreography.


Title: Re: The Matrix Resurrections
Post by: MediumHigh on December 27, 2021, 03:24:01 PM
I don't think it was predictable that they'd totally fuck up things like fight choreography.

I'm pretty sure whoever they hired just slide the work to their intern while they collected a paycheck. The guy probably spent the entire production catching up on Ted Lasso.