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Someone poked me to remind me to renew our Yahoo Fantasy League, so if you participated last year, you probably got an invite. I'm imported last year's final rosters, so we could either do a keeper league or just dump it all and redraft.

Thoughts?

Thanks for the restart Haemish.  I just realized the league has been running continuously since at least 2008 (probably longer)   :ye_gods:



I'd vote to stay redraft, it's the most streamlined / easiest to access for everyone.

Right now, I'm still set for a keeper league. There's no way to set the number of keepers for each team, so I'm going to allow a max of 2 players as keepers, the rest go back in the draft pool.

Unless we have any more objections. I've never done a keeper league in any form so this is new to me.

I set my keepers.  Fine with whatever you guys, though.  I'm happy either way.

My only dilemma being whether or not Aaron will actually try this year or if he is still pissed at the world.  Or just getting old.

If there's one thing for sure, Aaron Rodgers is not going to tank the season. He'll probably come out and MVP it up just so he can shove it in the Packers' organizations' collective face next season when they do something stupid like trade him for some magic beans and a slot cornerback.

I like the idea of keepers. I haven't gone anywhere overnight since before COVID, and naturally the draft is set to the weekend I am taking my family to the Oregon Coast. I will see if I can swing a phone draft from the beach or something.

Amazing!!! :drill:

Happy with anything and will set my keepers now   :awesome_for_real:

If we need to switch the draft date, I can do that. I set it to the latest possible weekend date before the season starts, but it can be earlier. I just have to change the keeper deadline to be before the draft.

Question, are we still sticking to a 1 QB league? Any chance of joining the fads of 2 QB?  :awesome_for_real:

Is that a thing? Because I'm not sure there are 24 QBs worth drafting.  :awesome_for_real:

I vote no on 2 QBs.

As a thought experiment, who are the 8 worst starting QBs in the league and how much worse are they than the middle ~10.

I expect Jameis Winston to be a mid-tier QB if he wins the Saints starting QB job, but only because he'll probably throw 40 TD and 41 INT.

Harsh!
Looking at 2020 season the 25 - 32 on Yahoo by points are

• Trubisky
• Fitzmagic
• Taysom Hill
• Darnold
• Red Rifle Dalton
• Tua
• Prescott (hurt)
• Hurts
• Foles

So there's about 24 goodish QBs...  :grin:

I'd love if we added a super flex or any flex option.

How long are keepers good for? 9 years? What draft spot does a keeper take?

I have no idea the answer to those questions. I've literally never done a keeper league.

Superflex is a QB/RB/WR/TE slot that can be filled by anything but is usually filled by a QB since that's typically more solid than the others.

Keeper leagues sometimes have rules where (1) you can only keep the same player for a certain number of years and/or (2) if you keep someone they take up your first round draft spot, if you keep 2 it's your 1st and 2nd draft spot and/or (3) if you keep someone they 'cost' one to two rounds higher than what you drafted the previous year, i.e. if you drafted Aiyuk in the 12th round last year, then to keep him this year would cost you your 10th round spot and/or (4) waiver adds that weren't drafted cost a generic like 12th round slot to keep.

Usually, the simplest version (what I run in an nfl.com league with local scrubs who half pay attention) is you can keep up 2 players, and if you do it's just (2) - they cost a 2nd round draft spot and a 1st round draft spot.

Not sure what Yahoo! by default has set up.

Yahoo is not very helpful when it comes to explaining this shit.  :grin:

How about this? Everybody can keep 2, but you can only keep 1 of any type (i.e. only 1 QB and 1 RB), and each one you keep is a draft pick (so if you only keep 1, you lose your first round draft pick, if you keep 2, skip your first 2 rounds). We'll see if that's something that works. In addition, I'd say that you can't keep the same guy for multiple years in a row - so if I choose to keep Mahomes this season, I can't keep him next season.

This should not affect your keepers (remember to select 2 keepers by Tuesday, Aug. 31) and set your draft order - I'm going to change the roster positions. I've added the super flex (so QB/RB/TE/WR) and removed one of the WR positions (because holy shit, finding 2 good WR is almost impossible, much less 3). In addition, just because we've never done this, I'm going to add 1 defensive player position. It can be any player but for scoring, all that counts if Sack (2), INT(3), Defensive Touchdown(6), Fumble Recovery(2) and Safety (2).

I figured fuck it, this is going to be a different season in how we run this thing, let's mix it up a bit.

 :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :drill:

I've finalized the keepers and the draft order which was determined using a random draft order generator. We'll have snaking live draft rounds on Sunday, September 5 @ 4:00 pm CDT (5 pm EDT, 2 pm PDT). Each keeper pick you chose takes up a draft pick at the beginning of the draft, so those with 2 keepers forego their first two rounds. You can view the draft order and keepers here - https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/181186/draftresults (https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/181186/draftresults)

Just to confirm that the IDP player gets no stats for #tackles?

Correct - I felt like that was a defensive stat akin to receptions for receivers or carries for running backs. It's easy to pile up points with those stats on players who are basically shit otherwise. Looking at you, Blake Martinez.  :why_so_serious:

So what DO the defensive players get points for?  Because my random player is predicted to average 1 touchdown a game or something, and that seems unrealistic.

Also, my team fucking sucks, but that is not new.

I might have made a mistake with the defensive players points totals - their stats are Sack (2), INT(3), Defensive Touchdown(6), Fumble Recovery(2) and Safety (2). I thought adding tackles would make the defensive players too points heavy, but it might be a way to make them worth more than just a few points a game.

Should I add tackles to the defensive player or keep them the same?

Well honestly, if you just leave it as it is, most defensive players will end up contributing jack shit most weeks, and will then have some freak game with a Pick 6 and a Sack and go over 10 points.  Seems too random.

It's basically adding a roll of the dice to every week, akin to starting a second kicker.

I don't mind it tbh, just leave it as is and we'll figure it out better for next year. I would've picked a LB over a CB if tackles mattered.

 Now would be the time to talk actual keeper rules for next year.

I mean...the rules apply equally to all of us, so it is fine either way.

As far as keepers go, I have Aaron Rodgers and fully expect him to become instantly useless at some point within the next calendar year for any number of reasons, so...

I did mention up above that you can't keep the same guy 2 seasons in a row (kind of like a franchise tag that gets prohibitively expensive).

Ah, sure.  Of course, that just means I have to go for 2 other guys on my team, and FUCK THOSE GUYS.

Ended up not having good enough reception where I was to join the draft.  Pre-selected a few QBs to be my first picks and got none of them, so now I have two kickers.  Thanks, Yahoo!

Last time I did defensive players, we had four slots (CB, LB, DE and S) and that took some of the randomness out of it.  Really put a premium on the top guys (JJ Watt that year), but it mostly evened out over the season.

Trying to research the 25th best LB for drafting is more effort than I am willing to put in at this point. I don't mind having 1 snowflake, but adding extra positions just makes managing the team an even bigger hassle for injuries and bye weeks. Another reason I was against QBs as a flex. It is too important a position to leave until the last minute, and there aren't enough good ones to begin with, so it just becomes an nightmare when byes start (or people get hurt). People are going to be starting backups and hoping for injuries by the end of the season.

Well, that was a really dominate season until the very end :(

(https://i.imgur.com/w1ny7Om.png)

Congrats to Burrow of Cin for never giving up on Cincinnati.

I watched folks in two other leagues leave Chase on the bench, including one in the finals.  Well done to have him playing!

Good game fine sirs!

I'm still pro Super flex for 2 QBs...  :why_so_serious:

It seems like we have a few inactives though, if we purge the deadwood then getting a 2nd QB won't be as hard I hope...

I blame Sean Payton though

Sorry I checked out a bit, was going for the championship in my other league that has real consequences so kinda forgot about this one.

I think next season we definitely either ditch the defensive player or add tackles as a point source - I was completely wrong on that one. Without tackles, they just weren't worth any real points.

Do we want to try for a keeper league next year, or do a complete redraft? My two keepers (Mahomes and Aaron Jones) both had pretty down years so I can't say they worked out as good of a choice as I thought they would. And finally, yes, we should definitely use TE/WR/RB instead of QB/TE/WR/RB - I never used anything but a QB in that slot.

I enjoyed having two QBs, made looking at the depth of the position a challenge when someone missed a game or had a bye.  I'm also a fan of defensive players, but maybe that's because I recognized TJ Watt went undrafted somehow after leading the lead two years in a row based on our scoring system.

Agree on 2QBs and Defensive player I'm happy to have more changes

Keeper wise dynasty sounds interesting but requires people to stick around in the league for the long term

Happy to go with the League decision though!

Hate 2 QBs, but would like more flexibility outside of that position. Like 1 WR, 1 RB, 1 TE, and 3 flex or something.

Yeah I think next season we'll go back to a more "traditional" f13. 1 QB, flex position(s) that is everything but QB, no defensive player. It was worth a shot, but I really should have put tackles on the defensive player because otherwise they had no effect at all.

Happy to go back to that  :awesome_for_real:

I do have one suggestion, do we want to go auction draft instead of snake?

And are we doing keepers again?

Anyone want to do keepers this year or shall we start from scratch? Keep in mind you can't have the same keeper as the previous year (so I can't keep Mahomes and Aaron Jones).

I apologize to everyone for bailing last season -I was sick for a couple of months and and flamed out.   :facepalm:  This year though I'd vote for a restart.

Happy for a restart, maybe Auction draft for shits and giggles?  :grin:

Auction draft takes WAY too long and requires 100% attendance, which we will never achieve.

I am down for a couple of keepers.

What's the story here?

I haven't had a chance to take a look at it, but I'll try to set it up this weekend.

Right now it's set up as 2 keepers, standard scoring, super-flex. 

I finally got a chance to look at this. Everyone seems to have rejoined the league via the invite. I've set the draft for Saturday, Sept. 3rd at 8:30pm Central (9:30 Eastern, 6:30 pm Pacific) so that should give us the max number of folks who are available to draft. You must set your 2 keepers by Sept. 2nd, and they can't be the keepers you had last year. I changed the roster positions back to a more traditional set (without defensive players): 1 QB, 1 WR, 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 Flex (no QB), 1 K, 1 DEF, 6 Bench Spots. I also changed the QB points back to more normal 6 points for a TD and -2 for a INT, -1 for a sack, 25 yards = 1 point. This should make it a littler easier to find a decent starter on the waiver wire for all positions but filling that flex will be difficult.

Sorry, I dropped. Just haven't been into it the past few years.

We have 1 spot open then. Any takers?

Have we found a final member for the league?  I have a co-worker that said she would take the final spot if needed.

No one has responded yet. I'm fine with her coming in if no one has any objections.

Haemish I'll DM the contact info.

Woo! Full league!

Invite sent.

Sent you incorrect email address, lemme send again for invite please.

Completely forgot to set my keepers. Welp.

Me too. Not only that, forgot to attend the draft because I ended up having to work part of an event at the museum today. I am cringing inside just thinking about looking at my roster.

I totally forgot about the draft as well...
Redraft?  :why_so_serious:

I thought I had missed an email or something when only a few of us showed :oh_i_see:.  I'm not calling for a redraft but the draft was a bit wonky because only a handful of teams had keepers set (3 maybe?), in conjunction with drafting against mostly bots.  But if you guys think think a redraft is in order I wouldn't vote against it :|         

I honestly don't think we'd have time since the season starts Thursday.

It's fine.

*sits in corner praying Matthew Stafford's health holds up*

Fully forgot about keepers as well, and I was in a bar with shitty wifi in the Galapagos Islands during the draft so my team is fun.  Good luck, y'all!

e: I think this is my favorite team name I've come up with in a while, though!

So let's review...I have Aaron Rogandgers whom I hate and who is actually not very good in fantasy lately, and Dalvin Cook the one hit wonder.  Everyone else is stale toast, have no fucking clue who they are.  Should be a great year.

My QBs are Matthew Stafford, who was already due for a letdown and looks to have an O line about as good as the Bengals from last year. And Derek Carr who is still Derek Carr, even if he does have Davante Adams.

So apparently you kept me in this league and despite not knowing that and doing nothing with keepers, the draft, or even setting starting line ups I've gone 2-0.

Looking at your team, I can see why. Jalen Hurts has somehow been playing out of his mind, you have Cooper Kupp, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Mike Williams, Aaron Jones and Miles Sanders. Not saying all of those guys will stay as good the rest of the season, but that is a helluva early season team for an autodraft.

My autodrafted team, however, is hot garbage on broken wheels.

I will see your hot garbage auto-draft team, and raise you my own historically awful auto-draft team.  It was exactly what I thought I was getting...piece of shit Aaron Rodgers on the downside of his career and Dalvin onehitwonder Cook.  Plus a bunch of people I have never heard of.

Carson Wentz would like to have a word about bad QB performances on autodraft teams.

He got absolutely ROFLStomped yesterday.

I watched a bit of the Colts/Chiefs game, and speaking of QB's who are just past their prime - Matt Ryan. Honestly, a lot of the older ones I'm seeing now remind me of the Peyton Manning in his last year (and Drew Brees in his). Just no arm strength to go downfield, decreased accuracy, etc. Rodgers, Brady, but especially Ryan, just looked absolutely gassed. It doesn't help that their offenses seem to be predicated on dink and dunk.

Last undefeated team! Guaranteed I will lose the first round of the playoffs.

Holy shit, my score today. Derek Carr, -1 point, Davante Adams, 1 point, Zeke out, Noah Brown also out (I didn't notice anyone being out because I worked until 10 last night and didn't even think about it this morning). Even if I had somehow managed to find someone to plug in for those 2 injuries and changed my QB, I'd still have been stomped.

Meanwhile, my kicker also got 0 but my final score was 161.62.  Fantasy football is weird and arbitrary.

Lost my first game of the season by .82 points. No, not bitter at all.

So it took a guy almost dying, but apparently I am the official 2022 champ. So suck it 😎