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Title: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on March 19, 2020, 01:11:54 PM
During all the hullabaloo about the fact we're all going to die of Pangolin Lung, the new league year started. Yes, Tom Brady will probably be a Tampa Bay Buc next season, which is mindblowing, but not the craziest story of the free agent season. Todd Gurley gets released as a salary cap casualty (so the Rams are likely going to suck worse next season). Joe Flacco got released but honestly that should have happened last year.

No, I want to talk about the Houston Texans trading away De'Andre Hopkins to the Arizona Cardinals for fucking peanuts.

Houston Texans get: RB David Johnson, 2020 second-round pick, 2021 fourth-round pick
Arizona Cardinals get: WR DeAndre Hopkins, 2020 fourth-round pick

While David Johnson had a monster season, he's too injury-riddled seasons from then, and lost his starting job on a team that was tanking for draft picks to win around their star rookie. A 2nd round pick is an ok pick but not for a guy that was the Texans' most important player bar their start QB. What's worse, though, is why Bill O'Brien traded him.

According to Michael Irvin, O'Brien thought that Hopkins was having too much influence in the locker room and had a meeting with Hopkins about it. During that meeting, he apparently said something along the lines of Hopkins having too many baby mamas around (he has children with multiple women). He also said the last time he had to have a meeting like this with a player was AARON HERNANDEZ, you know, the MURDERER. And keep in mind, this is a guy who has been a Pro Bowler, star level wideout and has had ZERO disciplinary trouble with the league. Hopkins mostly confirmed the story but downplayed its impact.

Bill O'Brien may truly be the dumbest fucker on the planet right now, at least in the football world.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: 01101010 on March 19, 2020, 02:17:52 PM
During all the hullabaloo about the fact we're all going to die of Pangolin Lung, the new league year started. Yes, Tom Brady will probably be a Tampa Bay Buc next season, which is mindblowing, but not the craziest story of the free agent season. Todd Gurley gets released as a salary cap casualty (so the Rams are likely going to suck worse next season). Joe Flacco got released but honestly that should have happened last year.

No, I want to talk about the Houston Texans trading away De'Andre Hopkins to the Arizona Cardinals for fucking peanuts.

Houston Texans get: RB David Johnson, 2020 second-round pick, 2021 fourth-round pick
Arizona Cardinals get: WR DeAndre Hopkins, 2020 fourth-round pick

While David Johnson had a monster season, he's too injury-riddled seasons from then, and lost his starting job on a team that was tanking for draft picks to win around their star rookie. A 2nd round pick is an ok pick but not for a guy that was the Texans' most important player bar their start QB. What's worse, though, is why Bill O'Brien traded him.

According to Michael Irvin, O'Brien thought that Hopkins was having too much influence in the locker room and had a meeting with Hopkins about it. During that meeting, he apparently said something along the lines of Hopkins having too many baby mamas around (he has children with multiple women). He also said the last time he had to have a meeting like this with a player was AARON HERNANDEZ, you know, the MURDERER. And keep in mind, this is a guy who has been a Pro Bowler, star level wideout and has had ZERO disciplinary trouble with the league. Hopkins mostly confirmed the story but downplayed its impact.

Bill O'Brien may truly be the dumbest fucker on the planet right now, at least in the football world.

Thought about starting this thread this year but thought I'd let the dust settle first. But if we are talking 2020... let's look at the starting QBs not playing in the same uniform as the year before:
Brady
Winston
Newton
Mariota
Rivers
Dalton

I mean... damn. That's nuts to think if we see football in the fall 2020, those starters are all going to be in different colors.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on March 19, 2020, 02:21:31 PM
You forgot Nick Foles (now on the Chicago Bears though not a lock for starter) and Case Keenum (not a starter at the beginning of the year but at various times and is now backing up Baker Mayfield). Also, no Eli Face this season either.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 19, 2020, 06:01:54 PM
I hope O'Brien doesn't get fired before John Schneider can fleece him one more time. God he is a donkey.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on March 19, 2020, 06:04:20 PM
If Deshaun Watson wasn't a Playstation highlight reel turned flesh, O'Brien would be an assistant coach somewhere.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sir T on March 20, 2020, 05:30:28 AM
You gotta feel for Brady though. It's a hard thing to leave a team where everyone hates you, and face a world where everyone hates you.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Cyrrex on March 20, 2020, 05:32:55 AM
For the official record:  Brady is going to suck in Tampa.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on March 20, 2020, 07:40:13 AM
I think the biggest hindrance Brady might have in Tampa is a shit offensive line. They have some serious weapons at wideout and a really good defense. And Bruce Arians does pretty well with good QB's.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Cyrrex on March 20, 2020, 07:53:26 AM
I sorta forgot Bruce Arians.

But my comment was more based on the idea that I think Brady has, finally, lost a step or two.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on March 20, 2020, 08:10:30 AM
Oh he most definitely had lost a step. He wasn't helped by having a cast of used-to-be's and scrubs at wideout last season, not to mention having no tight end safety blanket and a shaky offensive line. He's still good enough to get this team to the playoffs even if nothing else changed on their roster. Jameis Winston threw 30 damn picks last season (with 5,000+ yards and 33 TD's) and the team finished 7-9. Brady gives them at least 1-2 more wins by himself.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Draegan on March 21, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
This is the first time Brady is actually playing in a competitive division.

Saints and Falcons are no Bills, Jets and Phins.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: jgsugden on March 21, 2020, 02:01:46 PM
Brady is retired.  He is just cashing a check in TB.  Sure he'd love to have everything line up and win a SB against the Patriots... but seriously, he is just doing this to make money.  I would not be surprised if - as I think the word was that he makes $20 Million even if the season never happens, he is secretly hoping to never have to lift a football in TB.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on March 21, 2020, 02:17:04 PM
Brady does not need the money and hasn't for years. He had so many endorsement and side deals with Robert Kraft for years as an end around the salary cap rules that he could have literally been playing for zero dollars and still never needed to make another penny in his fucking life. I'm pretty sure he got sick to death of Belichek being an asshole and wants to stick it to him.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Trippy on March 21, 2020, 05:24:09 PM
Rumor has it Belichek was willing to trade Brady to the Niners back when they first inquired about Garoppolo and that's what triggered Brady's desire to leave.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2020/3/20/21187467/bill-belichick-reportedly-offered-tom-brady-to-the-49ers


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on March 21, 2020, 10:16:34 PM
That certainly sounds true - Belichek's entire career as GMing the Patriots has been about paying less than market value for players, especially vets who would probably make more elsewhere. I find it hilarious that he wasn't able to succeed with that strategy this past season once Antonio Brown went apeshit.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on March 23, 2020, 02:38:26 PM
In case there is football this year, The Los Angeles Rams just unveiled new branding.

Thanks, I fucking hate it (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28943350/rams-rebranded-la-unveils-new-logos-colors).


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Trippy on March 23, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
Need to see it in context.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Cyrrex on March 23, 2020, 10:34:04 PM
It hasn't made me like the Rams more, if that's what they were going for.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on September 14, 2020, 12:34:15 PM
Oh shit the Pats have a legit RPO offense now :D

Belichick 1 Brady 0

Nice RB draft pick, too. We be jammin'.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on September 14, 2020, 12:42:54 PM
Let's not get too excited - they were playing the Dolphins after all, and Flores being a Belicheck disciple means he knows how to run against it. I'll have to see how Cam performs against the Bills defense.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: 01101010 on September 14, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
226 days till the draft! (because that seems to be the only day that matters in Cleveland Browns football).

That said, I may start following the Broncos since I'll be living in Denver starting this week. Time to drink the orange soda because this brown liquid has been shit for way way too long.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Llyse on September 14, 2020, 02:44:06 PM
I am forever grateful to this channel for introducing me to the Factory of Sadness.

Meanwhile the Packers continue to be a one trick pony and hilariously enough McCarthy is no better than the Clapper after his winter of analytics  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on September 14, 2020, 03:56:32 PM
McCarthy always benefited from having a first-ballot Hall of Famer as his quarterback, and a general manager who was a lot smarter than him until said GM's brain turned into crab meat. Dak is good, but not only is he no Aaron Rodgers, Jerry Jones is not even competent enough as a football guy to hold Ron Wolf or Ted Thompson's jock, and I'm including Thompson's terrible senior years before they relieved him of GM duties.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: WayAbvPar on September 14, 2020, 06:08:37 PM
Fat Mike is a clown. Gonna be glorious watching him drag the Cowboys down with his conservative play not to lose bullshit.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on September 15, 2020, 07:12:43 AM
I'll have to see how Cam performs against the Bills defense.
Living in upstate NY, that's a win/win for us. If the Pats win, the old lady is happy. If the Bills win, we're happy for the local team. While I'm happy to have a new playbook in town, I also realize Cam is 31 and injury-prone, so my expectations are well-tempered!

But yeah, their D is legit. I'm hoping to see a 5-9 score. Or better yet, 0-2.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on October 05, 2020, 09:29:20 PM
Texans Finally Fire Bill O'Brien (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30048287/sources-houston-texans-fire-coach-gm-bill-obrien-0-4-start)

I'm not quite sure what took them so long. I'd have fired him the minute he brought up trading DeAndre Hopkins for a brokedown running back and some magic beans. He's neutered one of the most exciting QB's in the league by giving him a bunch of castoffs to throw to instead of one of the best receivers in the league. Whatever idiot gave him GM powers on top of being a mediocre coach really has been huffing the paint of the Cult of Belichek.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Llyse on October 11, 2020, 02:02:09 AM
Amazing:

https://www.facebook.com/PhiladelphiaEaglesFrenzy/videos/388089968852514/?sfnsn=mo


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on October 16, 2020, 06:33:10 AM
As if they needed more weapons, Le'Veon Bell signs with the Chiefs (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30120515/rb-leveon-bell-expected-sign-kansas-city-chiefs). Bell may or may not be washed up, but he doesn't even have to be great on that team, just solid. They may have crapped the bed against the Raiders but I fully expect them to get 13-14 regular season wins this season.

Also, the Colts got the Rona (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30124882/indianapolis-colts-announce-several-positive-covid-19-tests).


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Cyrrex on October 16, 2020, 09:01:25 AM
Feel bad about Dak.  And it always strikes me a bit funny that the sports team I loathe the most always has a QB I rather like.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: 01101010 on December 01, 2020, 01:57:29 PM
This thread is going about the same as the NFL season.

That said, it took a pandemic, but the Browns finally have a non-losing season. I think I was living in Miami Beach the last time the Browns finished with 8 or more wins.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on December 01, 2020, 02:11:52 PM
Funny part is that you can't actually blame their record on the pandemic - they are inconsistent but not nearly as bad as previous Browns teams.

No, what is really Browns-ian is this shitshow with the Steelers/Ravens Thanksgiving game. Postponed for a 3rd time, supposed to be played this Wednesday AFTERNOON (because NBC didn't want to bump the Christmas Tree lighting in Rockfeller Center) and they apparently still plan on going ahead with this game despite new players still testing positive as of today. AND the NFL forced Denver to play a game with a goddamn practice squad QB because all 3 of their QB's either had Covid or had been in close proximity. The NFL won't even follow their own fucking protocols anymore, just fuck the players get these games played!


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Phildo on December 01, 2020, 08:36:02 PM
I can't believe they're still going ahead with the Ravens - Steelers game.  Baltimore has a solid dozen players that tested positive for COVID this week.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Rasix on December 02, 2020, 10:11:20 AM
They needed to have a hard forfeit threshold established before even starting this shitshow of a season. Ravens should have just had to forfeit at this time. This game is a massive COVID risk as well as giving these teams too little time to prepare for their next game.

Just fucking dumb. Your guys and your franchise couldn't keep your damn players COVID free despite all the fucking resources in the world at your disposal. It sucks for everyone, it can suck for you too. Game cancelled and hope your team applied for PPP loans.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Chimpy on December 02, 2020, 10:49:57 AM
I don't give a shit about football anymore, but Prime showed me an ad for Cowboys at Ravens on Thursday night when I was watching a movie last night. And I had seen you guys talking about Ravens vs Steelers this afternoon.

So the Ravens are going to play 2 games in 2 days?  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Cyrrex on December 02, 2020, 11:07:05 AM
I do not know the details behind all the Ravens' issues, other than it sounds like they are constantly having problems.  But I did read something about the problem the Broncos had with all their QBs being fucked and having to start that practice squad WR as their QB.  The rationale was that the other Bronco QBs were acting directly irresponsible, meeting with each other without masks, and that was why they were forced to play without any kind of delay.

The implication being that the multiple issues with the Ravens are due to...bad luck?  Is that true, or is there just a double standard because the Broncos suck and the Ravens do not?


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on December 02, 2020, 07:37:25 PM
The NFL has claimed that the Broncos thing was because of the blatant disregard for the protocols with the masks, while the Ravens issue was just people catching it. In other words, bullshit. Fucking RGIII was playing QB for the Ravens today. And the Steelers I think had some players test positive as well (James Conner was out because of it I think). The Ravens/Cowboys game that was supposed to be on Thursday will be played next Tuesday as well. Like with concussion protocols and domestic violence, the NFL makes lots of noises about doing things safely, but it's just performative bullshit.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: 01101010 on December 03, 2020, 05:40:43 AM
The NFL has claimed that the Broncos thing was because of the blatant disregard for the protocols with the masks, while the Ravens issue was just people catching it. In other words, bullshit. Fucking RGIII was playing QB for the Ravens today. And the Steelers I think had some players test positive as well (James Conner was out because of it I think). The Ravens/Cowboys game that was supposed to be on Thursday will be played next Tuesday as well. Like with concussion protocols and domestic violence, the NFL makes lots of noises about doing things safely, but it's just performative bullshit.

Broncos disregarded mask protocols - sure. But the reason the Ravens were all testing positive was what? I thought it was because a strength coach basically disregarded protocols and came in infected? Makes no sense... should have been a forfeit but here we are.

On the other hand... working from home and having NFL on in the afternoon on a Wednesday was actually kinda nice.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on December 03, 2020, 06:31:13 AM
The NFL seems to be both pretty strict and completely clueless when it comes to cracking down on shitty behavior, so business as usual.

#mylesgarretwasjumped


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Phildo on December 03, 2020, 06:41:44 AM

Broncos disregarded mask protocols - sure. But the reason the Ravens were all testing positive was what? I thought it was because a strength coach basically disregarded protocols and came in infected? Makes no sense... should have been a forfeit but here we are.

Difference, if you really want to dig into it, is that in one case it was the players themselves and in the other it was a disposable staffer.  Not that this is an excuse, of course.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Paelos on December 11, 2020, 07:42:29 AM
I'm actively hoping the Cowboys just continue to tank, we end up with the 4th overall pick, and we draft a QB to replace Dak


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on December 11, 2020, 08:29:55 AM
That would be... unwise.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on December 11, 2020, 04:18:31 PM
QB is not your problem cough Jerry cough but a new coach might help a lot.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: 01101010 on December 11, 2020, 06:10:26 PM
Jerrah can fix everything with one phone call to Colin Kaepernick. That would be a media black hole that would implode ESPN and drown out ever Cheetolini.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on December 11, 2020, 08:22:50 PM
I mean, even if Kaep was fat and out of shape (which he's not), he'd still be better than *checks notes* Andy Dalton and... what the fuck is a Ben DiNucci?

I'm actually kind of amazed that McCarthy hasn't done better with this team. You'd think a coach who basically lived and died off the iso run would flourish with Zeke Elliot as his feature back. Turns out his system really does need a QB that can run around for 10 seconds dodging blitzers before finally finding a dude that's barely come open then hitting him on a dime. McCarthy in all his years has never learned to give struggling offensive tackles some help against the pass rush, and once you break Dak, there's nothing behind him.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Paelos on December 11, 2020, 08:57:00 PM
The problem with Dak is he wants real money now, and if the Cowboys pay him, if he's not already broken he'll be totally broken at some point because we have no offensive line left, we're paying Cooper millions in cap money, and Zeke is nigh useless. It's a train wreck.

Dude's 27 and had a season where he was sacked 56 times. That's not even counting hits. I think he would be a fantastic option elsewhere if he can recover, but paying him to stay on this team? Hell no. The defense and O-line is where the money needs to go, not the QB and WR's.

Similarly it's the same problem the Falcons are facing but due to the fact their QB and WR are old and expensive.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on December 11, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
The chance of Dallas getting a Russel Wilson level QB in the draft with Jerry having any input in the decision is next to nothing. I mean, they essentially stumblefucked their way into Dak as a 4th rounder and the last franchise QB they drafted high was Aikman, who was picked by Jimmy Johnson. You think anybody in that building has got the instinct to pick a franchise level QB?


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on December 15, 2020, 06:12:36 AM
Godammit Lamar, couldn't you have rested in the locker room for another 5 minutes?  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: 01101010 on December 15, 2020, 06:50:27 AM
I really do not understand why teams don't assign a speedy DB to spy Lamar all game. Seems straight forward... you get beat by his arm, fair enough. But you damn well know he is going to run which is how the Ravens beat you most of the time. That said, still a good showing by the Browns. Way better than the first time around... sadly same result.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Paelos on December 15, 2020, 01:45:01 PM
The chance of Dallas getting a Russel Wilson level QB in the draft with Jerry having any input in the decision is next to nothing. I mean, they essentially stumblefucked their way into Dak as a 4th rounder and the last franchise QB they drafted high was Aikman, who was picked by Jimmy Johnson. You think anybody in that building has got the instinct to pick a franchise level QB?

Of course not, Jerry is dumb.

It all comes down to where they settle the post-COVID cap. If it's closer to $175M, the Cowboys are fucked. If it's closer to $195M, they will sign Dak without issue due to the rollovers and cutting useless Tyrone Crawford.

Meanwhile the cap hit of a new QB is around $7M for a first rounder. It's honestly the wave of the future to just try out new QBs if you're unsure imo, because you don't cripple your entire team with the new rookie payscale. Play the numbers game because the downside is low.

In other words, be damn sure Dak's the guy if he still wants a big deal coming off injury.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: 01101010 on December 15, 2020, 05:12:04 PM
Or wait for Philly to cut Wentz. or the Jets to drop Darnold.   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: slog on December 15, 2020, 05:39:09 PM
Or wait for Philly to cut Wentz. or the Jets to drop Darnold.   :why_so_serious:

Philly can't cut Wentz because of the cap hit they would take.  Darnold is going to the Patriots!


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on December 15, 2020, 07:45:13 PM
Darnold is butt. Absolutely no one should be waiting on him. I really don't see Wentz going anywhere next season because of the insane cap number.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on December 29, 2020, 11:48:04 AM
Just for my own sanity, because I know I'll be hard pressed to watch this game because of the shitty, shitty narrative that keeps circulating (while forgetting to mention a certain Peyton Man of the Year award held by this perceived menace to the field)...

Myles Garret removed Mason Rudolph's helmet because after getting sacked, Rudolph tried to pull off Garrett's helmet. This is clear in the video and never mentioned. Myles admits his attempt in retaliation was a mistake.

Myles Garrett swung Rudolph's helmet at his head, yep. He regrets the shit out of that. He did it because he was being held by a lineman while Rudolph charged at him singing. His reaction was to swing back and oops he was holding the helmet, but it was pure reaction (I suppose he was supposed to just let himself be held and beat on, according to the media). And also Pouncey came in and started swinging and kicking on Garrett while he was on the ground but that has also left the narrative.

 Rudolph is frustrated and tries unsuccessfully to strip Garrett's helmet. Garrett gets pissed, returns in kind, but actually succeeds. Other players split them up, a Steelers lineman holds Garrett while Rudolph rushes at him and tries to sucker punch him, Garrett again returns in kind (except his free hand now has a helmet in it), and then Garrett is jumped by Pouncey.

If Mason had not tried to strip his helmet or sucker punch Myles, none of this happens. Garrett admittedly reacted poorly, but turnabout is still fair play. If you don't want to get punched, don't try to punch people. Rudolph got exactly what he asked for.

This whole thing bothers me because Garrett has admitted his mistake (he should've dropped the helmet first, imo, and the rest is fine). But the Steelers involved got a slap on the wrist and were dropped from the narrative. And now Garrett, who by all accounts is a sweet guy for whom this kind of thing is completely out of character, is now treated like the other heaviest penalized guy in the league, Vontaze Burfict. And I have a problem with that.

Fucking media.

Anyway, I figure the Steelers are likely to win, I just want the Browns to stack up double digits sacks. Not that it will change the narrative the media has decided upon. Fucking ridiculous (I just watched it again, Myles was walking away after stripping the helmet, Rudolph is clearly the aggressor).


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on December 29, 2020, 08:50:05 PM
I think we can all agree that the Steelers deserve to lose simply because their QB is a rapist.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Hoax on December 30, 2020, 04:40:00 AM
this is how everything with the steelers works. completely different set of standards designed to protect one of the great pillars of the nfl ownerships. what a well run org oh la lah even though the only org that does more against the spirit of the game and sportsmanship on a more regular basis in the Pats, who guess what is another pillar of the nfl amazing ownership who we should forever sing the praises of.

fuck the nfl


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: 01101010 on January 11, 2021, 05:39:50 AM
Welp, I wish to make an apology on behalf of Browns nation for breaking the 5th seal and sending us further into the abyss of the 2021 apocalypse. Sure, everyone will say the Steelers  lost that game more than the Browns won it.... but a win is a win and I'll take it even if it does bring about the 4 horsemen.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on January 11, 2021, 06:17:19 AM
The Browns is the Browns  :why_so_serious:

The first play had me on my feet, which is one of only a handful of times that's happened. The last I can remember was Mayfield stepping in for Tyrod a couple years back (the game that made me a Browns fan).


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on January 11, 2021, 08:45:30 PM
Yeah, I cheered loudly when that ball sailed over Ben's hands on the first play of the day, and every INT he threw had me cackling with glee. Fuck the Steelers.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Trippy on January 11, 2021, 09:20:05 PM
Wait, the Browns made the playoffs *and* they won a game?


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on January 12, 2021, 06:25:59 AM
They played pretty well, but the Steelers helped quite a bit. It was especially delicious that Pouncey (who was kicking Garrett when he was being held down) was the main fuckupper besides dopey Ben. I saw several guys make big plays and run directly over to Myles to celebrate. Best revenge.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on January 15, 2021, 06:20:41 AM
Henceforth known as THE Jacksonville Jaguars.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: 01101010 on January 15, 2021, 10:17:07 AM
I am going to be very happy when another college coach falls completely on his face making the direct jump to the NFL... even more because it is Urban. Only way I see him succeeding is putting in some very good coordinators across the board. Otherwise, the Jagoffs hired a guy that HAD to stop working twice for health concerns. I somehow don't see the NFL being more relaxed than what he had in Ohio. Only thing off his plate is recruitment...otherwise, it is going to probably lead him to be around for 3 years and bail/get fired.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on January 15, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
Didn't they promise him GM duties as well, meaning he will have to do some kind of recruitment, just of grown ass men? I'm with you on the "well-regarded college coach falling flat on his face" vibe. I wonder how many coordinators he'll hire that will be arrested for domestic abuse, which he will conveniently know nothing about.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on January 17, 2021, 10:14:22 PM
I won't say the Browns Browns-ed it up in a playoff game, as they sure made it competitive. But yet again, a weird fumble ends their playoffs early, or at least contributes to the end. That TD would have been enough to win. And goddamnit, Mahomes better not be out for the Conference Championship because of that concussion. He clearly got his neck all twisted up and was seeing Alice and the Mad Hatter when he tried to stand up, but damn if the football gods don't owe us after 2020. Drew Brees looked well and truly done in the Saints' game and he is contemplating retirement. Seeing some of his throws reminded me of Peyton Manning's last season - the mind is there but the arm is just not. Of course, that may have been because his ribs were still all fucked up. I hope he comes back for one more season but only if the arm strength is there. Missing significant time for the last two seasons has been tough, but the fact that the Saints still won most of those games with Bridgewater and Hill at QB says something about the team.

I'm hoping for a Rodgers/Mahomes matchup for the Super Bowl, or even Rodgers/Allen - but goddamnit, do not let Brady into another Super Bowl and especially not with the Bucs in those ugly ass unis.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on January 19, 2021, 06:50:08 AM
I've been hearing 'neck/nerve' on Mahomes, which I read as 'concussion that we're going to sweep under the table for New Brady to play in the championship'.  :why_so_serious:

The Browns, man...that rule needs to go away. At least the spot foul for PI makes some kind of sense. The fumble touchback is just so insanely punitive for the style of play that the League is pushing. McAfee put it nicely (and he's ok with the rule being in), 'fight for every yard...except the last one'. Doesn't make sense.

I get the risk v reward thing, but I can't recall a game where it didn't complete suck the fun out. Even if it goes in my team's favor, it feels cheap, like winning on a bad ref call.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: 01101010 on January 19, 2021, 06:59:16 AM
I've been hearing 'neck/nerve' on Mahomes, which I read as 'concussion that we're going to sweep under the table for New Brady to play in the championship'.  :why_so_serious:

The Browns, man...that rule needs to go away. At least the spot foul for PI makes some kind of sense. The fumble touchback is just so insanely punitive for the style of play that the League is pushing. McAfee put it nicely (and he's ok with the rule being in), 'fight for every yard...except the last one'. Doesn't make sense.

I get the risk v reward thing, but I can't recall a game where it didn't complete suck the fun out. Even if it goes in my team's favor, it feels cheap, like winning on a bad ref call.

I think I like Eisen's proposed rule change. You fumble out of the end zone and the offense gets the ball back on the 15 with a first and goal.

I love how the game promotes that idea that only the tip of the ball needs to break the plane of the endzone or touch the pylon before going out, but god forbid in a do or die playoff game you should try doing that because if you lose the ball, you lose the game. It is counter-intuitive to the way the game is actually played. If Higgs doesn't lose it there, he is in position to be the hero of the game if the Browns win... now he's just in the doghouse done in by a shit rule and a missed call.

All that being said, the Browns had a great run and I can't say that I am in any way disappointed with the end result. At the end of a pandemic year with no offseason and no OTAs with a brand new coach and offensive scheme, the Browns made the playoffs, beat the Steelers at Pittsburgh in the playoffs and ended up losing to the defending super bowl champs by less than a score? Yeah, that's something to hang you hat on for the future.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on January 19, 2021, 07:40:43 AM
The fuckin' Browns man, yeah...I know I'm a late-comer, fair-weather fan, but I'm a fan since Baker stepped in for Tyrod. Watching this crew go from 'unlock the free beer if you ever win again' to Superbowl contention? In a couple years? Impressive, and they're fun to watch. No dog pound for Higgins, in my opinion. He made the right play, it was a great defensive play, as well. Just a shit rule that keeps a team out of the superbowl (cough Saints PI no-call). With PI being the other big punitive call, it was nice to see the review added, and even after it's been taken out it seems PI calls are much more sane overall.

I like Eisen's proposal as well, maybe out to the 20 to preserve the feel of touchback, just without the loss of possession. Still punitive, but not shitty.

I'm also still wanting the 1 point for a kickoff through the uprights (and 2 for a punt through them, a 'shoulda kicked a FG' rule).


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on January 19, 2021, 07:34:20 PM
You definitely can't blame Higgins for that fumble. He does what you are supposed to do - make every effort to get the ball across the goal line. The rule is a shit rule and really does punish making the attempt that every coach teaches you to make.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Gimfain on January 22, 2021, 04:27:32 AM
i just find it insane that they didn't rule it a foul when the only contact is helm vs helm.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: HaemishM on February 01, 2021, 06:34:51 AM
Holy Shit Blockbuster Trade (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/matthew-stafford-trade-winners-and-losers-after-lions-rams-strike-blockbuster-quarterback-deal/)

Goddamn. Now that's a trade. Rams get Stafford and get rid of Goff and a buttload of picks, including their first-round picks through 2023. Clearly the Rams have decided Goff isn't worth the effort and based on the last two seasons (or at least since that terrible Super Bowl), I can't say as I blame them. Stafford has always been a good QB on a bad fucking team, and he gets out of Detroit and onto a team that is likely going to make the playoffs with or without him. I must admit, I didn't expect the Rams to give up on Goff so quickly after the season but clearly they had seen enough.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: WayAbvPar on February 02, 2021, 11:13:41 AM
Really gonna miss Goff in the NFC West. He was basically the only thing keeping the Rams back. Stafford is definitely an upgrade, but I don't think he is a superstar. He is still good for the occasional WTF moment, so hopefully those will bunch up against the Seahawks.


Title: Re: NFL 2020: Pangolin Flu Edition
Post by: Sky on February 02, 2021, 12:33:55 PM
So Fitzy was on the McAfee show saying things I found interesting like how he attended Harvard and really loved the region  :grin: