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Title: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on July 05, 2019, 12:11:57 PM
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This topic is more for those crazed veterans who have stayed connected to this no-life spreadsheet simulator where you fly spaceships [RIP Old MMO's topics].

For the uninitiated its a one server 'game'[except China if that server still exists?] where you literally have thousands of players who inhabit thousands of systems at the same time and sometimes in battles. You control one spaceship and those spaceships are flown in a typically third person viewpoint [think Homeworld] and you can configure your spaceships in all kinds of variations and I cannot remember how many different spaceships there are [a lot]. The ones in the picture above represent the main races you get to choose [Gallente Federation, Caldari State, Amarr Empire, Minmatar Republic]. It is a pvp game with pve elements game where typically everything you do competes with other players in some form or another. To do certain things you need skillpoints that are trained over time and not by doing things [though you can also buy skillponts that are culled from other players]. It is also free to play but is primarily a subscription game so free to play [alpha] doesn't allow you to nearly so much as a subscription [omega]. You can pay for omega with in-game items [PLEX] but farming for them as an alpha would just leave you bored in the end so a subscription is really the way to go in the end.

Practically anything is allowed in the game such as scamming and spying and basically you choose what you want to do except where CCP [games creators] forbids it. CCP gets a lot of flack [with good reason] and there is some suspicion that they got lucky with Eve, however they still made the game so kudos there I guess. As a game Eve is not designed to be fair, those who have even a modicum of wits can survive even if it is at the bottom of the barrel. Playing this game for the pve is the quickest way to be disappointed though some people do that anyway be they miners etc though exploration is pretty good. There is high sec space which is safest [for most anyway], low-sec which generally has more pirate players with feeble enforcement from the ai police at the stargates, null-sec which is where there is no enforcement and players can build their space empires, wormhole space and abyssal space. Space ships you can fly include frigates [smallest class vessels], cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships, capital ships etc etc. You can build space stations. There is so much to do it would take a lifetime to explain it all. It started in its beta really and since then has seen many empires rise and fall and it has a rich history maybe more than any other game. Best in-game economy of any game too. Video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPFII3ozSHI

Now the real reason I made a new Eve Online topic.

Instant local is being removed from null-sec! It will soon follow the wormhole space model.

https://www.eveonline.com/article/pu69gy/nullsec-local-blackout-incoming-during-july (https://www.eveonline.com/article/pu69gy/nullsec-local-blackout-incoming-during-july)

There is also this very recent thing of Drifters running around null-sec and blowing people and bots up.

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Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Reg on July 05, 2019, 02:45:55 PM
Where did the old EVE board go? I don't see it in the graveyard?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: cironian on July 05, 2019, 03:52:05 PM
Where did the old EVE board go? I don't see it in the graveyard?

You have to go multiple levels deep for old MMOs: http://forums.f13.net/index.php?board=50.0


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on July 05, 2019, 04:13:11 PM

You have to go multiple levels deep for old MMOs: http://forums.f13.net/index.php?board=50.0


Yeah its there but posting in a Graveyard is probably not the best place for visibility especially for those few veterans on f13. Hell i'll post there anyway just in case.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Reg on July 05, 2019, 04:27:56 PM
I just wondered. It had been kept as a live forum for years for no good reason and I didn't even notice when it disappeared.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on July 06, 2019, 01:08:29 AM
I would think that co-vert ops and hot drops will be the order of the day.  Apparently Hilmar actually played the game for the first time in a decade and found it stagnate and boring to play outside Wormhole space.

Seems like a Hail Mary plan to try and save the game - did it really take CCP this long to discover that 0.0 was decayed? Maybe the game needed T20 playing for Bob after all.


I can't imagine Goonswarm would let me back in after the rest of the corp joined Pandemic Legion (and I kinda insinuated that The Mittani deserved a ban for something) , and no one seems to talk about PL anymore. Do they still exist?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on July 07, 2019, 12:01:30 AM
and no one seems to talk about PL anymore. Do they still exist?

I think PL's light went into Horde, PL might be a PUBG alliance these days AKA Eve Offline. So yes they exist but not as anything remotely significant as they used to be.

Though since Goons and allies are currently wrecking shit in the north whether there would be anything for PL to return to is another matter [though I imagine some enterprising PL managed to unachor and save a few citadels]. SniggWaffe of WAFFLES is alive.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Yegolev on July 08, 2019, 09:15:55 AM
My eye twitch is back.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Phildo on July 09, 2019, 07:12:06 AM
Bat Country is in Pandemic Horde at the moment.  I don't think anyone from here is still playing with them, but a few of us still hang out in the corp Discord channel and it would make a decent home for anyone looking to get back into the game.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on April 26, 2020, 03:00:22 PM
Recently in EVE Online....Surgical Strike Update was released.

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Resilient Capsuleers,

The quest for a healthy Capital ecosystem continues with a massive update to Capital survivability, resistance modules, and more in the Surgical Strike update, coming this April!

As outlined in the recent Ecosystem Outlook blog, bold changes are being made across EVE in the search for diversity and new exciting options for pilots. Surgical Strike will bring Capital survivability more in line with the rest of New Eden, reduce the overwhelming power of logistics, make adjustments to some long-standing powerhouses in the Subcapital meta, and begin to establish more payoff for getting up close and personal with your enemies. Let’s get into it!

Resistance Modules

The biggest change coming in this update is a 20% reduction in the power of all modules that increase shield or armor resistances. That means energized plating, armor coating, armor hardeners, shield hardeners and shield resistance amps. This will lead to a drop across the board in effective hit points, but the more slots a ship has devoted to resists, the more important the change becomes. There is excitement here about this approach because not only does it lower Capital survivability, it also diminishes the overall power of logistics and will make modules focused on speed and damage a more attractive option. The hope is to see bloodier fights, less stalemates, and a huge cross-sectional shift in the fitting meta. This kind of shake up rewards those that adapt quickly, so get to theory crafting!

Alongside this update to resistance module power, tiericide for shield and armor resist modules is also underway, which you may have noticed beginning to appear on the Singularity test server. The tiericide adjustments are very small in scale and much more focused on sensible naming and organization of the modules in these groups, but you can expect the 20% reduction to be applied after the stats currently in place on Singularity for modules are affected by tiericide changes.

Capital Updates

There is a vision for a Capital ecosystem with clear escalation steps based on distinct roles for each class. Part of that vision relies on moving Super Carriers and Titans away from all-purpose damage to a specific focus on Capital and structure killing. You will have seen one big step in this direction recently with the removal of High Angle Weapons from Titans. Now, substantial changes are being made to Super Carriers as well, but there is also an acknowledgement that Super Carriers need more to set them apart from Titans and Dreadnaughts as Capital killers before their Subcapital damage application can be fully removed. For now, their fighter tube loadout will be rearranged to promote more class diversity in your local Super umbrella and decrease long range Heavy Fighter damage application.
Capital changes in this update include:

    Removal of support fighter tubes for Super Carriers with the addition of one extra Heavy Fighter tube
    Bonuses to XL plates and extenders for Super Carriers reduced to 200% and for Titans reduced to 300%
    Long Range Heavy Fighter explosion radius increased 50%
    Short Range Heavy Fighter speed increased 50%
    Fighter bay size increased for Aeon and Wyvern
    Capital Capacitor Boosters limited to 1 per ship

Subcapital Updates:

Fleet diversity and an evolving meta are things that are always encouraged, and in that interest there is a small package of Subcapital updates coming as well. The resist module power reduction will naturally favor Tech II hulls slightly, and as these ships already dominate the fleet meta, Battleships will be given an upgrade to keep them competitive while adjusting critical bonuses for ships like the Muninn, Loki, and Eagle.

    All Tech I Battleships - which includes faction hulls - receive 10% increase to base hp and 30% increase to scan resolution
    Muninn bonuses to damage and optimal range reduced to 5% per level
    Eagle max velocity reduced to 190 and powergrid reduced to 950
    Loki offensive subsystem bonuses to projectile optimal range, fall off and tracking reduced to 5% per level and powergrid reduced to 550
    Legion powergrid reduced to 625
    Deimos bonus to hybrid damage from Heavy Assault Cruisers skill increased to 7.5% per level, powergrid increased to 1100 and CPU increased to 380

Additionally, damage from bombs will be reduced by 20% to roughly match the loss in effective hp associated with the resist module change. Bomb hp will also be reduced by 20%.

Brawler's Paradise

Over the years, as fleet commanders and elite PvPers across New Eden have refined their skills, it has become more and more difficult to capitalize on the supposed benefits of short-range ships. Gone are the days of blaster slug fests on Lowsec gates between plated Megathrons and Armageddons. While a return to such primitive times is not expected, there is a desire to begin exploring new rewards and tools for those brave pilots who are willing to get up close and personal. As a first step in this direction, there will be an increase to the damage of all close range Tech II ammo (excluding exotic plasma) by 15%. This means Conflagration, Hail, Rage, and of course Void will all be packing an extra punch.

The Surgical Strike update will be live on the test server very soon, so keep your eyes on EVE social media platforms for that announcement. Its deployment to Tranquility is expected on 15 April.

This is a big step towards our long term capital vision, but we have also planned further updates later in the year to continue the journey towards a vibrant EVE ecosystem.

Until then, fly safe o/

And coming later next month to the relief of a hell of a lot of people is Forsaken Fortress.

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Greetings Capsuleers,

Coming 26 May, further improvements to the gameplay mechanics of structures will be introduced in the Forsaken Fortress update as part of the Eclipse Quadrant.

Since the introduction of structures with the Citadel expansion, thousands of structures have been built in New Eden. Many of these structures have been used for a variety of purposes by players, with some structures acting as Headquarters, key strategical beachheads, or even as logistical warehouses. For some of these structure deployments, their use may have dwindled over time to the point where they are no longer maintained by their owners. As a result, these forsaken fortresses proliferate in space as ambitions, conflict, and entrepreneurs rise and fall in New Eden. Cleaning up your sovereign space by removing these abandoned structures can be a frustrating experience, a topic that has been brought up by the community and CSM alike.

In the continuing journey to frequently iterate, there will be changes made following the last structure update of Kicking Over Castles, from 10 December 2019. The Forsaken Fortress update will introduce a new structure state - 'Abandoned' - alongside the existing Full Power and Low Power states to formalize the mechanics of structures being abandoned. This will apply to both standard structures and FLEX structures. In the update, structures will transition from Low Power to the new Abandoned state if they have not consumed any fuel from service modules for 7 days.

When a structure enters the Abandoned state, the following structure abilities will no longer be available to it:

No Reinforcement Phases - The structure will have no reinforcement phases, meaning it can be destroyed in one session (Damage caps will still be in effect. If a structure is currently in a reinforced state at the moment the abandonment timer expires, then that reinforce timer will operate as normal but no new reinforcement phases will be allowed).
No Tethering - The structure will not provide any tethering assistance.
No Asset Safety - Items will not be put into asset safety when the structure is destroyed (Wormhole located structures will continue to operate with no asset safety for all states).

Onlining a service module in a structure that is in the Abandoned state will return it to Full Power, restoring its abilities provided that the structure is not damaged, as service modules cannot be onlined for a damaged structure. If a structure survives through a Hull Vulnerable repair cycle and transitions back to the Shield Vulnerable phase, then the service modules will automatically attempt to re-online themselves, provided there is fuel available to do so. This is important in order to ensure that a Full Power structure with sufficient fuel cannot be prematurely forced into the Abandoned state by pushing it through a hull reinforcement and then allowing it to repair.

Two diagrams are included below that detail the new flow of structure states (Full Power, Low Power, Abandoned) and the phases (Shield, Armor, Hull Vulnerable).

Standard Structures:

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FLEX Structures:

(https://webimg.ccpgamescdn.com/7lhcm73ukv5p/1t6Gh8z8QZ5HzlBEqgm4wt/20a868d7cf88fe54e8c85156a989098d/Diagram_B.PNG)

As mentioned earlier, this update to structure mechanics follows the topics and discussion in the community from the previous update to structures - Kicking Over Castles. As the journey in 2020 with EVE in Quadrants continues, it is hoped that these regular balance changes, game health improvements, and permanent meta changes continue to excite you and bring about further discussion to engage in.

These changes will be coming live to the Singularity test server soon, so keep your eyes peeled for further communications on that from the EVE social media channels.

Until then, Capsuleers, fly safe o7

If you'd like to discuss this dev blog please join the forum discussion to give us your thoughts!


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Draegan on April 27, 2020, 10:54:57 AM
I just recently installed this game to play.

I uninstalled it before I launched it.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on April 27, 2020, 01:50:47 PM
I just recently installed this game to play.

I uninstalled it before I launched it.


Cool story bro.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Sir T on April 28, 2020, 02:22:17 AM
The only way to win is not to play.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on August 12, 2020, 09:36:26 PM
Been winning Eve but it seems there is fun to be had atm turning high-sec systems into low and null sec. Its tempting to log-in but CCP have a way of drawing you in and then screwing up in some manner so we get back to square one so i'll wait a bit.

Eve Zenith trailer below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUAu07ZNKKQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUAu07ZNKKQ)


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Setanta on August 12, 2020, 10:22:34 PM
Eve Echos on Android and Crapple is about to release. I played with the beta versions and don't hate it.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Khaldun on August 15, 2020, 04:35:49 PM
Eve and Elite both seem to me like: the time to really invest was X time units ago, not right now.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on August 16, 2020, 04:05:24 PM
Eve and Elite both seem to me like: the time to really invest was X time units ago, not right now.

This is a dumb argument and always has been imo, its akin to saying its not time to invest into sprinting because of Usain Bolt and that F1 drivers should just quit because of Lewis Hamilton.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Count Nerfedalot on August 16, 2020, 05:32:23 PM
So much of Elite is basically a solo experience, and the galaxy is so big, the only way that would be remotely true for it is if the only thing that satisfies you is being "first" somewhere blatantly obvious, or pure PvP. If the former, yeah, all the cool nebulae and the core and farthest points and such have been visited and are now cluttered with graffiti and empty beer bottles and cheetos packages.  If the latter, I suspect there are far better PvP games out there to go make a mark in.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on August 17, 2020, 12:46:08 AM
If the latter, I suspect there are far better PvP games out there to go make a mark in.

Better pvp games possibly yet EVE pvp is up there with the best if not the best. There is a reason for that.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: eldaec on August 17, 2020, 01:33:28 AM
Eve and Elite both seem to me like: the time to really invest was X time units ago, not right now.


Time to invest in Eve is when you have infinite time.

Ultimately that's why I stopped. No one else I know of delivered on a game genuinely about the continuous interaction of thousands of players, but inevitably a game like that is dominated by how organised groups are within it, and that multiplies the impact of time spent.

I'd only recommend it to someone with a shit load of spare time, and a way in to a well organised group. And even then the entertainment value is in the player politics and organisation.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Falconeer on August 17, 2020, 02:53:34 AM
While the best part of EVE is its PvP, I suspect a lot of people still play it as a relaxing affair of space trading, mining and fighting mobs, in an ever evolving shared universe (EDIT: and with an ever present feeling of progress). Elite Dangerous is very similar but in many ways way less developed unfortunately (maybe because it's 10 years younger too), and it requires more active time since you can't idle or AFK as much as you do in EVE.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Phildo on August 17, 2020, 06:19:52 AM
I used to find running missions in high-sec while listening to music a very zen experience.  Not the most lucrative way to spend your time, but it was definitely calming after a long day.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on August 17, 2020, 10:41:40 AM
Time to invest in Eve is when you have infinite time.

Ultimately that's why I stopped. No one else I know of delivered on a game genuinely about the continuous interaction of thousands of players, but inevitably a game like that is dominated by how organised groups are within it, and that multiplies the impact of time spent.

I'd only recommend it to someone with a shit load of spare time, and a way in to a well organised group. And even then the entertainment value is in the player politics and organisation.

It depends on your play-style, I have played it mostly solo for years and years and can easily join a faction warfare group whenever I want. Does it truly matter if null-sec is dominated by such and such if what you enjoy doing in-game isn't really affected by it? I'll compare it to Warframe [maybe a bad comparison?] but if I decide to play solo, it has no impact on what clans are doing well and visa- versa. Whoever is Conclave champion [lol] doesn't impact on what I ultimately perceive. Total War, some guy who is winning the tournaments doesn't lessen my enjoyment of the campaign map.

Back to EVE, I know that there are big groups that do big things and if they do those things then really they accept that there will be other big groups doing big things. I accept EVE as a whole and accept being a small cog in a big machine. Do I care occasionally what they do in-game affects what I am doing? As a whole no because that cause and effect is one of the attractions. It is part of the vision of EVE.

Niarja has also gone into Stellar Reconnaissance. Glory for Triglav!


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Khaldun on August 17, 2020, 04:26:43 PM
Some good arguments (and I've been in both EVE and Elite, EVE for a while). But you know, "what a dumb opinion" is a fantastic way to confirm the opinion being right in the first place.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Falconeer on August 18, 2020, 11:06:36 AM
I've actually redownloaded it a couple of days ago and it's still good but with actually lots of improvements that are drawing me in again. And I haven't even looked at PvP.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Sir T on August 18, 2020, 11:10:48 AM
When I went back to Eve for a year and a half I cared not a fuck for the big alliances, and the Newbie corp I stayed in (an Amarr one) had a number of old vets in it that had basically said "a pox on all their houses" and had created a character to do their own thing after basically nuking their old characters. One new guy said after we had a story swapping session that we all sounded like we were suffering from PTSD.

Anyway I did explorations and Wormhole hopping and really enjoyed it.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on August 18, 2020, 03:33:20 PM
But you know, "what a dumb opinion" is a fantastic way to confirm the opinion being right in the first place.

Im not sure why saying that would prove me incorrect. The saying 'opinions are like arseholes, everyone has them' is apt really, an opinion is not proof of anything. The proof that it is 'dumb' is shown in the world around you. If everyone thought they could not achieve something because Colonel Mustard got promoted first then no-one would ever achieve anything and we would regress into a rabble of illiterate barbarians. You are basically saying 'Don't progress because someone did it better'.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Khaldun on August 18, 2020, 06:43:07 PM
It's a classic, acknowledged problem of multiplayer game design, especially virtual worlds. EVE does better at it than most because the whole scene is so changeable, rather like life--but in any multiplayer game, especially with levels or accumulating resources, a new player can feel overwhelmed because almost everybody else has so much history in it, because so many resources have been accumulated, because new players can feel like there is no way to matter or compete.

The Usain Bolt comparison is in some ways a good one, really--at some point, competition genuinely starts to hit an upper limit of what's even possible given basic design constraints. (As demonstrated by the fact that almost all of Bolt's competitors have been busted over the years for illegal drug use.) But at least in that case there is some sense of constant renewal by the fact that the previous champions have an enforced limit to their domination of the game (they inevitably become slower, weaker, etc.), which doesn't pertain at all in long-running gameworlds except that long-time players (mostly) get bored.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 09, 2020, 02:03:54 AM
I just got an email.

The Horn of Goondor has sounded. All of Eve is at the the gates of Delve and Goonswarm wants every supercapital they can get. if you can't play, please donate it.


I don't own any Super capitals. :(


Should I go back? CAN I go back? Would they take me back?


Hell, I think Endie and co are the ones invading Delve again.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Phildo on September 09, 2020, 06:39:59 AM
Get 'em!


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: slog on September 09, 2020, 09:20:28 AM
I just got an email.

The Horn of Goondor has sounded. All of Eve is at the the gates of Delve and Goonswarm wants every supercapital they can get. if you can't play, please donate it.


I don't own any Super capitals. :(


Should I go back? CAN I go back? Would they take me back?


Hell, I think Endie and co are the ones invading Delve again.

Yea I got the same email.  It's been a long time!


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Falconeer on September 09, 2020, 11:24:36 AM
I've been back in the game for a few weeks now and having a blast. I've always thought EVE is one of the best video games ever made, but I find it much easier to play with lots of quality of life adjustments.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: IainC on September 09, 2020, 08:06:52 PM
I have a bunch of capital ships and a supercap, and a >100M sp character that can fly everything with 5s across the board. I'm sorta tempted to go back, but my life is complex right now and I don't really have time for 6 hour fleet actions any more.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Setanta on September 10, 2020, 12:39:22 AM
I saw the email today too. I only ever play sub-caps and don't know if I'd make the cut.

I saw Ultrapolite Socialites is still in GS, but after that shitfight, I wouldn't go back to its new management. Bat Country is in PL isn't it?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 10, 2020, 03:49:01 AM
Far as I can tell, yes. And they are INVADING.


I don't have time for 6 hour fleets. I plan on sitting my FC 5 5 5 5 5 on the TCAG gate and boosting the gate camp. Maybe fly a an Inty around so if the battle goes too long I can just fly home.

Edit- Assuming of course, I'm allowed back in. Hell, penissmash is, maybe they'll take anyone.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Phildo on September 10, 2020, 07:36:16 AM
I don't think anyone from F13 is still flying with Bat Country, but Goonswarm really did the corp (and Endie in particular) dirty.  Let it all burn.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Falconeer on September 10, 2020, 10:34:03 AM
Story time. Please.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Hoax on September 10, 2020, 04:27:04 PM
always hated goons, hope they get their shit pushed in


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 11, 2020, 09:42:27 AM
(https://external-preview.redd.it/hcVSy4thZ8_Mi8L4MVv-S87gEEyvwXM3mh6Alxr9NqU.jpg?auto=webp&s=ce16650dd7f682545c41fc2df84430a77c2dc80f)

I'm in. Interface still sucks but buying a fitting a ship and skills is MUCH easier. Flew down from Period Basis to Delve and didn't see a single red.  No idea if the war will actually happen, but I'm back.



From what I recall, Endie didn't like the way the Imperialiam was going and left/got kicked out of it and took Bat Country to Pandemic Legion. That's when I left. Dunno if he still plays or not.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Korachia on September 11, 2020, 11:29:55 AM
As long as there will be plenty of glorious battles and drama, this is will be good.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Phildo on September 11, 2020, 12:05:07 PM
From what I recall, Endie didn't like the way the Imperialiam was going and left/got kicked out of it and took Bat Country to Pandemic Legion. That's when I left. Dunno if he still plays or not.

My memory on it is pretty fuzzy, too, since I was out of game when it happened and only came back to help out during the evac period.  Since Mittani is mostly an out-of-game leader, the in-game management was being handled by a guy that Endie (and a lot of the corp) didn't get along with and most of them found the choice to leave pretty easy.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 11, 2020, 09:54:37 PM
My memory on it is pretty fuzzy, too, since I was out of game when it happened and only came back to help out during the evac period.  Since Mittani is mostly an out-of-game leader, the in-game management was being handled by a guy that Endie (and a lot of the corp) didn't get along with and most of them found the choice to leave pretty easy.

I think this song covers it.

https://soundcloud.com/sindel-pellion/thats-how-we-know-you-fcked-up



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Reg on September 13, 2020, 02:42:46 PM
I don't think anyone from F13 is still flying with Bat Country, but Goonswarm really did the corp (and Endie in particular) dirty.  Let it all burn.

Hah. Fuck Endie. I could see where things were going and he called me a concern troll.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 13, 2020, 08:01:38 PM
I still like Endie. I didn't like how GSF was going either, but I quit the game instead. Still, joining PL seems just as bad to me. Anyway, it was half a decade ago, so the wound has healed I hope.



I went on 2 ops, first time in half a decade. Also, I'm half blind. Yay.

First one we saw no one, did nothing but fly around.

Second one were trying to help some bombers shoot a station, who got dropped on, I think? We showed up, lost a ship to the station. I was asked to drop some defensive bubbles 30km from the fleet, which I did. The Pandemic Horde fleet that outnumbered us 3-1 showed up 100km away. The last time I was in fleets I was in the fleet boosting Claymore...so I called for reps?

That is NOT the right thing to do with a Sabre. Whelp 1 Sabre.

 https://zkillboard.com/related/30003963/202009131400/ and 35 other ships.

I got home in a newbie ship and the fleet was refitting to go do something else. Lesson learnt- when flying a Sabre, just warp out unless the FC asks you to jump on the grenade. Also, don't close Directabot because you can't get reimbursement without the ping. Some hero got it for me. 


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Sir T on September 14, 2020, 05:01:24 AM
Shockingly, I haven't gotten an email.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: eldaec on September 14, 2020, 10:02:36 AM
I was asked to drop some defensive bubbles 30km from the fleet, which I did. The Pandemic Horde fleet that outnumbered us 3-1 showed up 100km away. The last time I was in fleets I was in the fleet boosting Claymore...so I called for reps? 

Hoping you at least got on some friendly kill mails for your trouble.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Sir T on September 15, 2020, 04:03:09 AM
Reminder, this is really Eve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmS9vcVNr5A


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 15, 2020, 08:59:54 AM
 Ive been ratting around 1DH in a Battlecruiser and haven't seen a hostile yet. YMMV. It;s a lot less interesting and AFK than I remember it being. Deploy drones, wait.

In other more interesting news, Reddit/Eve was full of threads of WE ARE COMING.


https://zkillboard.com/related/30004937/202009151400/

Ships Lost: 71 Ships
Ships Lost: 160 Ships

ISK Lost: 5,007,060,268.66
ISK Lost: 12,440,417,336.17


I was there. When we started killing Claymore's I figures we'd won, though with the FC being VERY brief with his orders, I couldn't really tell. I recall everyone ragging on DBRB but I prefer a FC who talks non stop to one who says an order once and expects you to hear it/understand it/do it. Note I clearly know nothing because our Ferox Fleet FC ripped them apart, so it's just me I think. Once we got into combat and I could see the targets in the fleet history it was all very methodical and understandable, and it didn't help I missed one jump and didn't know about the history tab till we got in system. I think I'm not used to FC's allowing you to take the initiative when dropping bubbles or not either - the poor sabre pilots got yelled at for not dropping bubbles, but i was trained never to bubble without authorization, so what do I know.

I don't think I want to be a dictor pilot I'll tell you.

Someone was complaining in local that we dropped caps? I never saw them myself.

We saved the iHub and what was left of their fleet ran away.

I think I got the horn of Goondor email because I was in Goonfleet 2007, and left before the end of the 1st Great Eve War. If you're only in LOVEU you probably didn't get it? Or wern't signed up for emails from goonfleet.com.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 15, 2020, 08:15:13 PM
I went on my 1st structure shoots for 6 or so years. We blew up 2 Fortizars worth about 20 billion isk in a 150 ship Battlecruiser fleet and smaller attached INIT HAC fleet, in Fountion. Progodlegend attempted to pipe bomb us...on an exit gate. We lost 15% shields.


Intel said there was a Dreadnought cache of unknown size in it, so that's now in some low sec station now.


In other news https://fleetcom.space/battlereport/MHeRRqn9CbCpZ93Hm (https://fleetcom.space/battlereport/MHeRRqn9CbCpZ93Hm)

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12:37:20 PM) directorbot: Small USTZ Update - For those of you who are on other fleets. Our Ares fleet gets MVP - https://fleetcom.space/battlereport/MHeRRqn9CbCpZ93Hm (https://fleetcom.space/battlereport/MHeRRqn9CbCpZ93Hm)
Burst jamming cepters caused supers and titans to kill close to 3b in their own stuff cause smartbombs. You are free to peruse this and get popcorn :munch:


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 16, 2020, 09:49:29 PM
Shockingly, I haven't gotten an email.  :why_so_serious:

I have bad news for anyone from here (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3866278&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=465#post508126605) who hears the Siren call and falls for it like I did:
Numismancer
Sep 15, 2004
Space emperor is not amused.
Unleash the tildes!
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i have very bad news for people who complain in this thread about being blacklisted: if you didn't actively fuck goons over and it's some stupid shit related to old policies (like no double accounts) or whatever, i will likely DISPENSE JUSTICE and free you

which means you'll lose eve again

i've quit shitposting on twitter so this thread is stuck with me

Elitestops is back, the holesquad three (no idea who they are) are back. Hell even Ordo Karr (who stole 30 billion ISK and awoked 3 supercarriers) got offered to come back, though he said no.

I have NO idea if this would apply to ex-LOVEU or BAT COUNTRY (who left under strained, but friendly circumstances from what I recall) members, and I doubt you'd be able to keep your mouth from shooting offf to stay anyway :D even if you did want to come back, but the Mittens is seemningly un-blacklisting anyone these days.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Phildo on September 16, 2020, 10:43:11 PM
Out of curiosity, is anyone recognizable from more than 5 years ago still playing or has the entire alliance turned over?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 17, 2020, 01:44:30 AM
DBRB is apparently still around but I haven't seen him. Laz is back, but I haven't see him. Lots of vets who left for reasons around 5-6 years ago who are back. I'm not playing in US TZ so the FC's I'm with are British mostly. I haven't met anyone I recognize from LOVEU or BAT COUNTRY, but it's been 7 years so I probably won't recall anyone anyway.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: slog on September 17, 2020, 04:51:56 AM
It would show their true desperation if they allowed Himo back.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 17, 2020, 07:42:39 AM
Then  again, I just joined a fleet that got told 5 minutes later to stand down because we were outnumbered 3-1.


What.


I don't blame the FC, but this feels like what BoB must have felt in Delve War II.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Phildo on September 17, 2020, 10:30:05 AM
Weren't you playing when Goonswarm lost Delve, too?  It's a little bit like a cursed castle.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 17, 2020, 12:26:09 PM
I was there when GSF saved the IAC from MC (in IAC).
I was there for T20 and the first failed invasion of Delve. Left then.
I was there for the ROL war, the great betrayal and Delve War II when we won.
I was there when someone forgot to pay the bill and we lost Delve the first time.
I was there when GSF was in Deklien and living on the coach with TCF. Left after we killed IT Alliance.
I was there when we went to war with TEST and killed them :(. I left after that.
I've came back for the Horn of Goondor.

So my part in Delve's downfall technically only happened 3 times.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 18, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
After losing the iHub in 49- yesterday (we launched a couple of ceptr fleets to just annoy them) we formed several fleets to defend the Foritzar in system. Hostiles formed some HAC fleets but did not attempt to fight.

I was in a ROKA fleet lead by Lazaras Talraven in MY CLAYMORE. Havn't  had a shot yet.

TEST replied on SA Eve thread:

Quote from: NGC773" post="508195712
There were a lot of reasons why that fight didn't happen.

1) Numbers were pretty much equal
2) Imp formed a superior doctrine
3) It was only a fortizar timer

progodleged lost his ship and pod worth 1.5Billion isk.

we've also killed a couple of sabre's while we hack the iHub.  

Also an Atron.


What the enemy fleet was told:
We expected Ferox's and brought Battleships! Stand down the fleet!

Via reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/ivke3c/papi_wont_take_a_fight_even_though_they_outnumber/)

https://soundcloud.com/gs-kocicek/out-formed-by-300-but-papi-has-to-stand-down

Enemy fleet FC - it's not a reinforced node and we haven't got into Querious and our doctrine is wrong and will be ready next week! We outnumber them by 300 and we'll easily out dunk them next week.


Laz brought the ROKA fleet, and we had a jackdaw and Beltec fleet. They had HAC's.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 19, 2020, 08:24:37 AM
Big battle just went down.

I joined a Jackdaw fleet as a booster. We jumped a few gates and came across a Ferox fleet. We warped off and sat on a Fortizar for about 5 minutes. We then warped to them on the gate and jumped through. They followed.



50 or so Titan's were on the other side and lanced DD'ed them, though didn't kill that many. We then decloaked and engaged.

They bat phoned for sub cap reinforcements and a HAC gang and another Jackdaw fleet arrived. 400 Enemy Dreadnoughts were reported to be on standby.

They never jumped in.  Eventually their sub-cap fleets noticed the node was not reinforced and escaped and our fleets left after looting the field. I was never targeted and didn't help much, my rockets being well out of range of everything.

https://zkillboard.com/related/30004706/202009191400/ (https://zkillboard.com/related/30004706/202009191400/)
Ships Lost: 58 Ships
Ships Lost:192 Ships
ISK Lost: 2,723,109,003.45
ISK Lost:8,545,124,053.92

I'm surprised the losses weren't higher..

Warning: large pictures. Pretty.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 19, 2020, 10:12:06 PM
TEST Titan down. 16 Dreadnoughts, 1 Carrier with it in 4-07MU (https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/iw74k4/test_titan_down_16_dreadnoughts_1_carrier_with_it/)

Battle results: https://fleetcom.space/battlereport/9HF5mXRTupyK7HBXQ#summary

Titan Kill Mail:https://zkillboard.com/kill/87254916/

1048 players 325 ships lost 182.7b isk lost vs 29.3b isk dropped

A TEST titan moving to 4-07 was dropped by an Imperium Dreadnought fleet after he bounced off the station. PAPI Dreadnought and carrier attempted a rescue and were defeated. Imperium fleets scrambled and saved 20 out of 30 friendly Dreadnoughts. PAPI subcap fleets chased hostiles out of system and held the field, but the Dreadnought hulks were already destroyed and not salvageable.


I was part of the Ferox fleet. We undocked 2 minutes after the alert and got a Titan bridge into the next door system, and jumped in. Got on 5 Dreadnought kill mails and a Sabre before getting trapped in the bubbles on a perch and missing the escape out of system.

In this picture you can see some of the hostile Dreadnoughts.

Picture of PAPI Dreadnoughts in the background


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Bungee on September 21, 2020, 03:16:20 AM
Eve is really great if one considers it an ongoing Sci-Fi series/novel. HBO should pick it up.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Korachia on September 21, 2020, 07:28:01 AM
Exactly, and I am pretty sure there would be a large enough audiance for it to work.

Keep up the good reporting Comstar!


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Mandella on September 21, 2020, 10:59:00 AM
Eve is really great if one considers it an ongoing Sci-Fi series/novel. HBO should pick it up.

I've always enjoyed reading about stuff going on it Eve more than actually playing it...

 :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 24, 2020, 05:09:43 AM
Big battle in 49-U for a starbase of some sort. I wasn't there.

https://fleetcom.space/battlereport/FMr6DkDiLdtXevQst#summary

3159 players
1276 ships lost
710.6b isk lost
110.0b isk dropped


7 Supercarriers, 18 Dreadnoughts to 70 Dreadnoughts lost.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: eldaec on September 25, 2020, 02:52:50 AM
How much are fleets having to manage lag in this war?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 25, 2020, 06:27:27 AM
That last battle about 2-3k players in system and hours would seem like minutes. Modules DID work, but one thing that did NOT work was the starbase anti-bubble smartbombs that took an hour to swap someone out and in again, which caused the loss of the supercaps.

The big battle I was in wasn't too bad. About 1000 players and my Ferox could move and shoot things ok.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on September 26, 2020, 02:31:33 AM
Uh oh. Is Eve Online headed towards the cool zone?

https://www.eveonline.com/article/qh7pp7/resource-distribution-update (https://www.eveonline.com/article/qh7pp7/resource-distribution-update)

CCP announced yesterday a small announcement. Long promised, but very short. Minerals are going to be reallocated- you can only mine certain minerals in highsec/lowsec/nullsec. So no one can be self-sufficient and HAS to import to be able to build anything. eg- you can't mine Trit anywhere except Highsec.

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Tritanium will be exclusive to high-sec; Isogen and Nocxium exclusive to low-sec; and Zydrine, Megacite and Morphite exclusive to null-sec. CCP expect that this change will see more movement in low-sec, an increase in mining ship losses, more market transactions for minerals, an increase in refining income, and a change of mineral prices. At least the latter is already occurring, with Nocxium spiking heavily in price.

They have no announced whats coming after this, beyond it's needed to make the game go on for another 40 years. They did not tell the CSM or players anything before hand.

The playerbase is rioting.
https://imperium.news/resource-distribution-update-a-shit-show/ (https://imperium.news/resource-distribution-update-a-shit-show/)


It really reminds me of Star Wars Galaxys and the New Game Experience. I doubt it will kill the  game like the NGE did, it's not THAT big a change, but the way it's been handled and CCP's complete inability to prepare the playerbase for a change of this magnitude and actively go out of their way to refuse to say what the change will result in beyond "please trust us. it will be better...in a year!" is really giving me the same vibes.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Setanta on September 26, 2020, 10:41:19 PM
So I sat down last week and played Eve Online and Eve Echoes at the same time.

I hate to say it, but I'm having more fun in the mobile version than the original game


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on October 05, 2020, 02:12:11 AM
We tried something different last week- A Stealth Bomber Death Star Trench Run Attack to blow up a Fortizar. Didn't work because a spy (probably called D8atrh V8ater) deleted the stolen data plans bookmarks before we had a chance to do it.  We'll try again.

I'm not kidding, you have to hit a target about 2 meters wide at the end of your bomb run and avoid the enemy flak as you do it.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on October 07, 2020, 12:39:34 AM
Death Star Down (https://fleetcom.space/battlereport/amZ4iYzQ2JM29dP8N). PAPI tried to deploy a 2nd Keepstar down (after losing the first to a dread fleet) and this battle lasted 9 hours.

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1.4t isk lost
5252 ships lost

vs

 185.9b isk lost
799 ships lost
+ 3 dead Titan's out of system and 6 systems lost on the home front in Esiotaria

PICS
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/j6lpp1/gf_everyone_who_was_at_fwst8_br_in_the_comments/


2 of the attacking fleets were performing Death Star Trench run attacks with bombs on the Keepstar. They held it down long enough to pause the deployment to allow Dreadnought and Battleships to kill it.


Billymerc and Vily are reported to be "not mad". Not Mad At All.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Falconeer on October 07, 2020, 11:06:24 AM
Impossible to understand for us randos. What happened? The faction that lost the more money (Goons) actually won?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on October 08, 2020, 05:26:04 AM
Both sides claimed victory. Goons destroyed the keepstar before it deployed - it is MUCH easier though perhaps just as slow at 10% time dilation to kill it beforehand with subcaps than supercaps afterwards. PAPI caused 1+trillion in destroyed ships in response.  

Strategically stopping them putting a base down in Delve probably hurts them more, as TEST is losing space in their home systems while this is all going on. It is unknown how long Goonswarm can keep paying for losing so much ships every other day.

PAPI has not yet tried a third station, so has paused to regroup and rethink their plan of attack. They have not yet attempted to attack a fully armed and operational battlestation as yet- they are clearly worried about doing it and don't want to risk their supercap fleet yet.  Goonswarm dosn't want to risk it either, which is why it's putting so much effort into destroying them before they finish building.


It's pretty much the Battle of Endor..sorta. The rebel's spent 8 hours throwing small bombers, ratting ships(!) and capital ships at the Death Star (that IS non-operational) while the Imperial Fleet shot them down...but not enough stop the DPS over 8 hours to fall enough to allow the station to complete building. If the defenders had stopped JUST enough bombers from getting in with their bombs...it might have been enough.

Without tidi the battle actually lasted about 15 minutes. There were 6500 pilots in system.


Video sped up of the last 2 hours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KValHPyGIU8&feature=emb_logo

Also a good AAR (https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/j78gqf/after_action_hangover_report_fwst_8_random/?sort=confidence)

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After Action Hangover Report FWST – 8 Random Bastion Bro

So how about that that fight space nerds? Assume -9 GMT time zones. (DT is at 3am.) I name drop people who I’ve never talked to and think I’m an idiot. No Hamsters were harmed in the writing of this report.

On Sunday night, after about 8 hours of bitching about my high sec trig rewards again, I decide it’s time to log out for the evening… even though I was at 2.98 the night before we got our rewards…. No warning!

My wife gives me the look. It’s about Midnight. I think I’m about to get lucky, even get a good night sleep for the first night in a week. I was Wrong! Wrong on all accounts!!!

I woke up too early. I missed all the pings for the first fight. I had an existential crisis while watching my coffee machine screech and hiss at me like a raccoon. Didn’t get laid, wife made fun of me because my favorite metal song is about a papaya fruit.

I log in and everyone in the imperium is buzzing about the fight. I frantically join fleets, whatever I can do. I try to sort out the comms and ignore the soul crushing zoom meeting with the bureaucrats I work with.

The Nyx is fueled, my Baltec is lubed. Panties unbunched. I’m ready. And… stand down… goddamn it.

But wait there’s hope! Wish.com alliance, Snek coalition’s Android bankers!

They dropped a second Keepstar! Bless those Pandaren gold farmers. I may actually get some content today. Once again, wrong on all accounts.

A full day to prepare and hours of trolling reddit. I buy a new dread. I listen to some podcasts. Fountain Frank has me questioning the existence of delve. This is all a conspiracy to sell more Trit Stocks folks. I simp for Dawn ‘Furiosa’ Rhea.

I hear tiny silver bells in the distance. Pings from the heavens, reminding me not to miss the fight tomorrow.

4:30pm rolls around and my raccoon coffee has turned rancid. Kinda like drinking the slurry at the bottom of your outdoor trashcan. I don’t think I’ve physically moved in hours, eyes lazily wandering from one screen to the other. I can’t wait to do this in 10% tidi.

7:00am I awaken to the death star alarm blaring from my phone. I hear, “Have a good day a work Honey”. Work indeed.

I grab a cup of filth from the coffee machine, a bowl of sugary non-sense heading for the computer.

My corp is buzzing with excitement, everyone is ready to do their part. We are the oldest PVP corp in the game after all.

“Q and RVA are you two ready for the fight?”

Q: “The fight? Oh, screw all that noise, I’m throwing a bonfire. Enjoy your tidi suckfest.

RVA: “Do you have 200 entosis links we can borrow?”

Champions and Heroes of the Imperium both of them.

7,8 and 9 fleets form. They’re mustering the krabs? Vexors and Myrms to the front. “Oh what a Day, what a lovely day!”

I join Supertrains and Dreads. Crank up the music to 11. Su-Metal is a goddess and easily metal best girl.

100%.

Supertrains trebuchet into F-Swat. Clearly it’s the superior siege weapon.

Immortan Chillback calls for the first dread fleet. The battle begins.

Keepstar timer pauses at 11:41

The tidi is crushing, but the server holds.

83% repair timer is 8:01

We execute a hamfisted warp in with the Rokhs and begin to fire at the citadel. Initiative, heroes all, warp in beautifully behind us.

I begin to take damage, hit the MJD. My call time hits 3 minutes before the module activates, I’m in 27% structure before I warp out.

The Keepstar unpauses. The repair time counts to 5:59

I sit next to other flaming BB’s on an Athanor repping up before we warp back. I repeat this process 3 times before I’m caught by an interceptor.

56%

I kill that bastard and continue to fight. The harpy lives for 4 more hours. Before it too dies. I reship to a munnin and head back. It too dies orbiting the gates of the citadel.

“I live, I die. I LIVE AGAIN!”

31%

LR revelations x up. “He looked at me. He looked right at me.” “I am awaited. I am awaited in Valhalla!”

We align to the keepstar. Comms crackle. “Go see what's agitatin' Dad!” 2 dreads leap into battle. Then 2 more, 30 tidi seconds later. This continues uninterrupted, until this is interrupted…

26%

Papi subs arrive on the fortizar and bubble the dreads. Carriers jump in and cover us. Nightmares and munnins die. Heavy interdictors burn.

17%

The Keepstar unpauses, Panik. The repair timer drops to 2:26. If the timer unpauses again, we lose. Not lose a little, mind you. 15 hours of work for nothing and a trillion isk in the blender. Crestfallen disaster lose.

Over the Comms: “Those who pay the blood price should be rewarded. Return my space to me and I myself will carry you to the gates of Valhalla.”

Yeah... feels like hope.

Preheat your guns, Lock Keepstar as you land. Activate energizer, activate siege, and then fire guns.

Bubbles cleared. Boosts up. Heat on. Warp engaged.

I pick some coffee grounds from between my teeth.

Comms: “You will ride eternal, shiny and chrome.”

2%

I land on the keepstar minutes later. Lock. Activate. Activate. Fire.

Cycle 1. Delicious wrecking damage.

Cycle,

Cycle 3. Shields gone. Damage coming from Titans, Fighters and Battleships.

Burst.

Cycle. Wrecking.

Cycle.

50% armor.

Cycle.

Cycle.

10% armor.

Cycle.

50% hull

Cycle

“Witness Me!”

Cycle. Dread explodes. The Keepstar dies.

I never thought I'd do something as shine as that.






Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Falconeer on October 08, 2020, 04:51:03 PM
Great stuff, as usual.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on October 09, 2020, 01:09:54 AM
Polygon article with more details (https://www.polygon.com/features/2020/10/8/21506780/eve-online-biggest-battle-fwst-8-goonswarm-papi-world-war-bee-2-delve). 8500+ pilots involved. Bombers coming in while the Dreads stand off and try and snipe out before getting destroyed while subcap fleets warpm in and out and duel around the PAPI supercaps.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on October 09, 2020, 04:49:53 PM
The 2nd book Empires of Eve is about to come out (https://twitter.com/GroenNdrew/status/1314660605622534144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1314660605622534144%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fj880wn%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse)


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Meester on October 14, 2020, 12:19:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78mIgZDJZew

As a Triglavian helper all your base is belong to us, aka Niarja no-more. Am I the baddies?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on October 15, 2020, 02:10:36 AM
This is going to be an EPIC final episode of Eve Online: The TV Series[/i]. Maybe a mid-season dramatic turn. We've spent all season waiting for the Goonswarm super secret battle plan built up as the war winning tactic that will end the war at a stroke in THE DECISIVE BATTLE ...and it ends in total disaster like the IJN coming up the Surigao Strait.


I applaud the death of all supercaps. Well done everyone. I'm sorry it didn't come off and well done CCP for programming a super weapon to go in real time when under time dilation. That is a brilliant flaw.

Top of the page edit - operation Enho: the Valhalla Ride - YZ9 AAR (https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/jbipvt/operation_enho_the_valhalla_ride_yz9_aar/). The episode will be called ENHO, ENHO, ENHO.

Quote from: man who CCP made a movie of this week Eve_Asher
Quick note: I wrote this out immediately after a long fight and tried to get it out as quickly as possible, hopefully you enjoy it but I’m certain there are some mistakes, apologies in advance.

This fight was a month’s long plan come to fruition. Many many hours of preparation and practice. You probably already know how it ended, but I’ll tell you how it started.

We’d seen the way the PAPI coalition cynos in and we thought it was really unusual, they seemed to cyno all right on top of each other, our cynos are more spread out to avoid AOE titan DD. We started seriously looking at the idea of how they bring them in but we wanted to see if they would do that in a combat situation. So we decided to fight over 49-u fort as a test run. We would observe how they cyno’d and if they bubbled their fleet. To our utter delight at 49-u they used a small group of cynos and brought all their supers into a tight ball. We lost a lot of supers because of the PDS not working but we considered it a price we were happy to pay for the information and we continued to plan.

We did test runs with BFGs at ranges starting at 10km off the cyno and going out to 50km to find the perfect range and we worked on different ways to get the titans warped to the perfect range. Once we settled on the method of delivering the titans we started testing how many you needed to wipe a super fleet. We found that 10 titans could get some supers that load but don’t get hardeners on or get neuted out. 15 get most all nyxes/hel. 20 catch almost all aeons. 25 kill everything but heated phenom’d aeons.

In the end we did about 50 different test runs with various ranges and configs and we had it down to a science. As we zeroed in on the ideal way to deliver titans to their exact spot (even if they hictor or dictor bubbled) there was a sense of giddyness. “If this works it will be the biggest thing to ever happen in Eve” people said. “If this works it will be AMAZING”. “If this works we can clean up everything with a dread bomb.” If this works. We all had it in the back of our mind. On the test server it worked. On TQ it worked. But would it work in deep tidi? No one knew, it had never been attempted before.

We started using the code-name Enho, named after our favorite sumo wrestler, a very small guy who routinely beats much larger opponents. It seemed appropriate. The actual warping in of the titans we started calling the Valhalla Ride. We knew if it worked or if it didn’t the titans were heading to the same destination.

There was a lot more planning that went into it but I’ll spare you all the gory details, but there were many hundreds of man hours that were put into this and I want to thank everyone who put their time and effort into this. We then had to start looking for the right time to put our planning into action. The keepstar drop fights looked attractive but we didn’t know what system they would be in so it was hard to pre-seed titans. The anchor timers wouldn’t work because of tether. So we waited for PAPI to go on the offensive again. When they started reffing out forts we knew we had a good chance so we choose YZ9 because it seemed like they thought we’d focus more on FWST.

Over the 24 hours before the timer we we tried to get as many titans secreted into YZ9 as possible. Whenever the system would empty out we would jump one titan in and warp him to his pre-assigned spot then safe log him. A couple times one titan was spotted but I wasn’t too worried, titans move around all the time. We wanted 25 but a few just had no time where they could come in because YZ9 is a pipe system. I wasn’t worried though, 20 was plenty.

The night before we had most of our titans assigned and the perches were burnt for our interceptors, I checked the spreadsheet and went to sleep. Not very nervous, we had prepared as best we could. We were ready. At this point everything was just would the stars align and would the server work.

The day of came and the prep work continued. Much discussion was had about their escalation theory and what we would need to do to get the PAPI supers dropped. I was hoping to do so without aggro’ing our supers but I was willing to do so if needed. The question were: would they drop the same way again. Would they aggressively bubble themselves? Would they use the same small cyno grouping or spread out more? Would they change strategies entirely and use their supers a different way?

The battle started and they had, as expected, larger numbers than us. But you are playing with house money at this point, like 49-u the only thing that mattered was walking them up the escalation chain. This time they used B-52 Phoenixes and long range BS to assault the fort, a different strategy, and I was gravely worried they would light the super cyno inside a bubble wall they erected around the rokhs. I had Laz use our supertrains and primary all the hictors to try and lower the amount of bubbles that would potentially pull our titans. The battle evolved slowly and we played it patiently, we were on the losing end but it was all part of the wager we had to pay to push our chips in.

We kept running them up the escalation chain to see what it would take to bring their supers in, as I mentioned before we wanted to see if we could get them to jump in without aggro’ing our supers, but we weren’t able to do so. They had a carrier blob that had a bubble that just clipped one of our titan warp ins and would possibly catch 5 or so. We were very worried that they’d bring the supers in next to those carriers and our plan would be shot and we’d have spent a lot of money for nothing. On top of that you don’t want to look like a moron to your line members but you can’t say “Don’t worry guys this is part of a big plan”, we couldn’t after 49-U and if we had whiffed here we wouldn’t be able to do so.

Luckily I think our guys have a ton of confidence in us, so we made the call to have the supers aggro. I said something nerdy like “the die is cast”. We watch the Test cyno warp far away from our area of concern to a naked area of space, then all the other cynos go in the same place. INTENSE RELIEF. This is it, they are doing it in a tight grouping with no protective bubbles. Most people in command comms were not clued into the plan so we were tip-toeing around it but they were starting to pick up on it at that point. Something was up. We get on global, myself, Elo, Laz, and a few others debating on if the placement is good and if they are actually jumping to those cynos.

The wait was excruciating. We wanted to see the jump out animation of the PAPI supers in 8QT but it took so long. Our titans were uncloaked and aligned, ready to warp, but also quite obvious. Eventually we saw the first of the jump animations in 8QT, enough to assure us this wasn’t a fake. Then I called “ENHO, ENHO, ENHO” over global comms and the plan was set in motion. Our interceptors warped in. Our titans waited and then warped to their assigned interceptor. Right after we called for that PAPI got one sabre bubble up but from our testing I was certain that even if it was up before the warp it would have no negative effect.

Then we waited, again. The load-in for their supers took forever. Our titans were creeping closer, in warp. Eventually they started hitting grid and no supers had loaded, but the warp ins were perfect. I thought again “if it works”. We had executed the warp in perfectly, a beautiful spread, a fleet killer. I keyed up to all my fleet members and said “If you believe in a deity we could use a few prayers now”. We waited a long time for supers to load, we knew they’d hold invuln after they come in.

Now it was just waiting and hoping “if it works”. Our warp in was exactly how we practiced and perfected it. We had to wait an obscene amount of real time. I don’t know how long it was, it felt like 15 minutes, it was probably 5.

After the majority of their supers had jumped in and lost invuln we called for BFG. Seeing those spool up was incredible, watching the massive amount of work that we put into it come to fruition. Finally after what seemed like forever I’m trying to be quiet and just wait, but I was dying to know if damage would apply. Eventually we got a report of good hits on many targets. I started daring to believe it would work.

And then, the damage stopped. A review of our logs later would show that most of the titans only got 1 to 3 damage cycles on the boson, not the 20 that you normally get. We watched nyxes lose shield and then drop one or two percent of armour. But we didn’t know at the time that the server hadn’t worked. We thought maybe it would catch up. Sadly it never happened. For thirty minutes or so I hoped the server would rubberband and catch up but eventually I lost hope that it would catch up.

So “if it works” turned out to be “it didn’t work”. We only did 5-10% of the damage we expected. We held out hope for a while that the server would catch up and that was the problem but it never did. We kept the fight up killing dreads with our supers while they focused on our now trapped titans and sent them on their Valhalla Ride then we called it a night and dropped aggro and re-tethered.

I want to say thanks to every single one of my guys who put a titan in for the ride to Valhalla. Thanks to everyone in Enho Squad who spent so much time planning it and helping test it. I love you guys more than you know and I appreciate your confidence in me more than you suspect. In the end in this type of war we have to think outside the box and come up with unusual strategies. Sitting in front of each other and trading vollies will never work for us. The amount of people who have personally reached out to me with kind messages saying they support me and they are happy to fly with me is incredibly touching. We tried something the server had never seen before and it didn’t cooperate with us. There’s very little you can be upset about when you have a plan and you execute it to perfection.

Along with the thank you to everyone who helped with this I want to say thank you to our enemies in PAPI. There are a few personalities I dislike (particularly the FC who keeps DMing me with borderline rape-y language) but overall you guys are alright and we wouldn’t have the opportunity to come up with these kind of schemes without you. Necessity is the mother of invention and you have forced us to invent quite a bit. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but withouAt an opponent like this we wouldn’t have had a chance to try.

    Some quick notes: The supercarrier size change was terrifying. When the Aeon size was changed to make it much larger it would have made the supers bump so much more and ruined this plan. We were all extremely nervous this would end our plan before we even had chance to try it.

    When the titans decel’d my discord just EXPLODED with DMs. So many FCs from every alliance and other people sent me a message saying something along the line of “HOLY SHIT”. Lots of people grasped what was going on almost immediately. Even a bunch of PAPI FCs messaged me.

    Cryo Huren made this amazing piece of art

warning large pics




Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: slog on October 15, 2020, 04:15:32 AM
Not quite sure I'm following, but are you saying the Goons came up with a last ditch plan that should have worked but didn't because because of a bug?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on October 15, 2020, 04:59:44 AM
Yes. If it worked, 140 enemy supercapitals would have been wiped out at a stroke.  it took months of planning, waiting, baiting, building up, watching the enemy fall into the trap...and 10 minutes of Tidi to stop it working it perfectly. CCP hadn't coded the superweapons from working in Tidi...they shot as though they were working in normal speed...which doesn't work when 1 second of game time  == 15 seconds of real time. It's such a simple and obvious bug.

..And the enemy FC knew it wasn't going to work. They'd ALSO tested in..in heavy Tidi. And had not reported it to CCP.


So that episode where the good guys have the perfect plan last ditch plan to win the war...and the enemy leader gloats had forseen everything and was always one step ahead the entire time. it was indeed...a trap.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Hoax on October 15, 2020, 05:36:49 AM
so goons didn't deserve to win and lost. so its not at all a story of the servers letting things down but instead the most eve of eve stories.

the part where the enemy actually tested it and knew it didn't work and set the bait /and/ didn't report the bug makes all the difference on if this is a sad story of tech/net limitations or a fantastic story of eve players doing eve things.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: slog on October 15, 2020, 05:59:19 AM
That is a very Eve thing to happen.  It's very Captain Kirk to find a glitch in the Universe and set a trap using it...


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on October 16, 2020, 03:30:41 PM
#4 Keepstar attempting to be deployed in Delve - the fight has been going on 7 hours and its probably got another 2-4 hours left. 33% and most probably won't be saved. Probably another Trillion in losses to do it.


edit- Goonswarm is now clogging the enemies guns with T1 fitted Ratting Ravens being gunned down by Titans and Dreadnoughts. They didn't help.

Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_76XmS8J3E - the PAPI were able to sdmart bomb an entire Eagle Fleet...that was one of theirs. Whoops.

(https://i.imgur.com/Y5Yvnoxl.png)


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on October 17, 2020, 06:49:19 PM
Keepstar #5 has been dropped. PAPI also dropped a second,  smaller station along side it to help cover the station. This is a new tactic. Maybe it will work?



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on October 19, 2020, 01:55:08 AM
https://i.redd.it/b22vtpu8lwt51.png

Bubbleon 5 is ONLINE. PAPI forces deployed on grid first and deployed 500 Interdictor bubbles. Imperialam forces reported crashing on entering the grid and after minor losses pulled out and the Keepstar is now fully operational. PAPI forces are celebrating finally getting a Keepstar station online and on grid in Delve NPC space. Celebrations have continued into the night on reddit.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on November 17, 2020, 02:38:44 AM
I haven't been online much, but Goonswarm DISBANDED another alliance = Requiem. They got Hargothed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XUByKRv9Ss at the 12 minute mark to find out what happened.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: slog on November 19, 2020, 06:50:11 AM
These updates are great.  I never really figured out how to make money in Eve without being incredibly bored but I had a great time with DBRB leading ops.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Sir T on December 22, 2020, 07:51:07 AM
It would show their true desperation if they allowed Himo back.

4 months lying in Limbo before I saw it, but I still laughed way WAAAY too much at that.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 26, 2020, 03:37:43 AM
I've only barely touched Eve but I hope Goonswarm gets annihilated. They're like the 4chan of MMO guilds every time I've encountered them.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Reg on December 26, 2020, 08:27:33 AM
Watching the executives scramble to steal every isk not securely nailed down would be ever so much fun. :)


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Phildo on December 26, 2020, 09:53:36 PM
I've only barely touched Eve but I hope Goonswarm gets annihilated. They're like the 4chan of MMO guilds every time I've encountered them.

4chan is their natural enemy, don't let them hear you say that!


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Kageru on December 27, 2020, 03:58:42 PM
I do wonder if they lost one of their "legacy" social groups they'd also lose a lot of active players and part of the social narrative that gives the game some meaning. I can't imagine the active player count is growing that much they could afford that.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on December 31, 2020, 03:48:24 PM
News from the Front - Biggest Titan Battle Ever. The Meatgrinder of M2.


PAPI attacked an otherwise unimportant Keepstar (https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/knw8or/the_irrelevant_keepstar/). However, the invader's cyno blocker was disabled minutes before it was online...allowing the Imperialm Titan fleet to jump in.

Current Titan Death count - 130 to 124.
The PAPI forces were routed at the end and fled, with many Titan's now logged off and trapped in the bubbles at the base of the Keepstar (it was the armour timer, so there may be 1 more battle for it tomorrow).

https://youtu.be/Gi9lVCNEKBI

That's a short video of 78 Dreadnoughts being wiped out in a minute of tidi by Titan Superweapons.

23+ Trillion Isk destroyed, about $300,000 US

Video with commentary like its a historical documentary on the history channel (https://youtu.be/J0-hicHRqSE)

Reddit Pics (https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/knot3j/the_initial_doomsday_volley_of_yesterdays_fight/)


I was there after Downtime when the enemy was routed. Got 3 kill mails IN MY SABRE and on about 20, biggest one being a lone Dreadnought.




 


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 01, 2021, 08:19:01 PM
100+ enemy titan's are trapped in T2 Large bubbles under the guns of the Goonswarm station. The fight for the structure timer is tomorrow. The enemy is reported to have run out of fuel moving reinforcement Titan's to the front. A state of the Goonion has been called but may be used by the enemy to attempt to extract their Supercapital fleet, which is low on fuel, ammunition and fighters.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: SurfD on January 01, 2021, 09:13:08 PM
I just have one question:

How the fuck does one even target into or out of that clusterfuck of a Titan swarm?  Like, looking at those pictures, only about 1/10th of that Titan fleet looks like it could actually target shit without resulting in some kind of friendly fire.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Hawkbit on January 02, 2021, 12:07:50 AM
The Insert Function wizard has some pretty great options, really.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 02, 2021, 01:02:28 AM
How the fuck does one even target into or out of that clusterfuck of a Titan swarm?  Like, looking at those pictures, only about 1/10th of that Titan fleet looks like it could actually target shit without resulting in some kind of friendly fire.

They can choose to use the megalaserthing to target a area OR target at a single ship I think. So 10 Titans hold their fire until 78 Dreadnoughts came onto range 0 and then wiped them out. The other Titan's shot at individual targets, maybe 5-10 Titans at one target at a time. Also Titan GUNS can target something else.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 02, 2021, 12:40:50 PM
4000+ pilots logged into 1DQ before the battle. System has been in Tidi for hours. This is the formup fleet. Mumble couldn't handle the SotG and had to be broadcast on https://www.twitch.tv/imperiumnews - Watch the battle there!

ProGodLeged lost a Titan he just bought. Multiple Titans have been interdicted on the way to the front.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697511686260654181/794965183554256906/unknown.png)

I am I fleet and waiting for bridge. See you on the other side.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 02, 2021, 01:08:30 PM
I am orbiting the station in a sub cap fleet and there are 2.5k in system. There is a circle of Titan's under the station that look like a crown of thorns.

Quote
so apparently one bonus to having your titan fleet not trapped logged off for days is that you can change all their guns to short range and then sit them in a donut surrounding the location of the entire logged off fleet

This isn't a fleet deployment. It's a firing squad.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: eldaec on January 02, 2021, 01:53:57 PM
Does the game run properly with those numbers these days?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 02, 2021, 02:21:41 PM
I'm running super potato mode and getting around 10FPS. Tidi is on but the game does respond. We have 4100 in system, 662 Titan's on grid. INIT is still coming. 5000+ hostiles are formed up. It is 3 hours before the station can be attacked.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 02, 2021, 03:34:10 PM
State of the Gonnion (https://www.mixcloud.com/Kahanis/state-of-the-goonion-2-jan-2k21/). 6000 hostiles are deployed to jump in. 5000 friends and enemies now in system. 40% of the enemy Supercapitals are trapped. The board is set.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 02, 2021, 04:12:12 PM
Enemy Titan fleet has jumped into system ABOVE the station. 2 PAPI Titans have been destroyed. Imperilam Super carriers are enagaging. IT IS ON.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 02, 2021, 04:50:29 PM
15+ enemy titans destroyed. Our subcap fleet is engaging. I have asked Fleet Command to fly us closer so I can engage with my 1 rocket.  150+ enemy Titans have loaded Grid.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 02, 2021, 05:12:22 PM
ENEMY TITANS HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO LOG OFF. ENEMY TITANS HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO BE ORDERED TO LOG OFF. ENGAGE ALL ENEMY TITANS.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 02, 2021, 05:47:20 PM
The enemy fleet has logged off and 150 Titans are still on grid. This is now the M2- Massacre. 30+ Titans are dead. I have enganged enemy Raknarok with a rocket.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 02, 2021, 09:14:44 PM
Quote
Numismancer
Sep 15, 2004
Space emperor is not amused.
Unleash the tildes!

well uh

the galaxy is ours

cool!

Battle report (https://fleetcom.space/battlereport/Egqfi2Jz8zrBKRTpD#summary)


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 03, 2021, 11:18:07 PM
So, this all started, 350+ dead Titans, an invasion halted (there were 3 FAILED break out attempts today, including one an hour before the Meta Show when 2000 Goons were online already) and the biggest online battle in history (6800 in one system)...

...when one 6 month old newbee got a single hit on a cyno-jammer a second before it went online....

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Ceric posted:

    I was with acids fleet. There was a pretty big fight on the jammer and mid way we all got told to put DPS on the jammer. We pulled back to the keep star. One guy went in solo in a interceptor but couldn’t put enough DPS on it. I was on the second wave me in the last interceptor and 5 jackdaws but I don’t know if they made it through the bubbles. I got one crit in the jammer (135)! Before we got welped. I know they had a second crew standing by not sure what happened I dropped after I got podded.

(https://i.imgur.com/WX6SWN7.png)


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 04, 2021, 11:55:13 PM
Also, Bat  Country was at the M2- battles (https://zkillboard.com/corporation/238510404/) on the Pandemic Horde side. We didn't cross paths, they didn't lose anything so I'm guessing it wasn't in many ships. It would be interesting to hear their perspective.

Unfortyunaly the only place anyone ever talks about Eve these days is the Something Awful thread and reddit/eve. I miss Kugu. And Endie's movies.

Kismeteer got a tag on a NC. Titan (https://zkillboard.com/kill/89618125/) so well done continuing to work for Goonswarm there. Looks like some of their supers are still trapped in system, along with 40-60% of the rest of supers.

The iHub comes out of timer in a day or so, if they lose it, Goonswarm can keep the system jammed and the trapped fleet is doomed to sit off-line for 30+ days. Their attempts to rescue them so far have been increasingly pathetic, but the iHub is their best chance to get out.


Best Movie I've seen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYbCbjMKP8c&feature=emb_logo). The voice over is The Mittani in his pre-battle speech State of the Goonion.

There are rumors that the Mittani has offered PANFAM and NC. their hostages back, in exchange for leaving TEST/Legecy to die.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: slog on January 06, 2021, 06:43:30 AM
Stuff like this is why I loved to follow Eve.  I could never figure out how to make money besides macroing on an alt.


(linked because the image is too big)
https://i.imgur.com/0ChYaB8.png


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 06, 2021, 11:04:03 PM
That's a scam.

PAPI is now offering WAR BONDS after spending months making fun of Goonswarm's 1 billion for 10% return.

The PAPI supercapital fleet of 40-60% of ships are still hellcaged like it's PR- from a decade ago.


Looks Bat Country is just Kismeeter and Baltec. We still run Baltec fleets in his honor.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: slog on January 07, 2021, 05:07:41 AM
That's a scam.

PAPI is now offering WAR BONDS after spending months making fun of Goonswarm's 1 billion for 10% return.

The PAPI supercapital fleet of 40-60% of ships are still hellcaged like it's PR- from a decade ago.


Looks Bat Country is just Kismeeter and Baltec. We still run Baltec fleets in his honor.

Yea, I know it's a scam.  Stuff like that is what makes Eve so great.  Player actions actually mean something.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 08, 2021, 04:00:43 AM
Hostile numbers are decreasing. We blew up their Fortizar in M2- which is now also bubbled. I was there tonight at downtime and they logged in 100+ Titan's but didn't do anything, I think they were bookmarking their location and bubbles for the weekend.

https://www.captiongenerator.com/2093412/PAPI-Offensive-on-M2-XFE - Video of the PAPI FC

https://www.captiongenerator.com/2095792/The-News-at-900-Battle-of-M2-XFE - Video of the Goon FC.\



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Korachia on January 08, 2021, 01:00:16 PM
This is an amazing comeback. What´s your chances right about now Comstar?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 08, 2021, 07:00:06 PM
The invasion of Delve has stopped and being reversed like it's the gates of Moscow and Napoleon is retreading in the snow.
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(1:22:00 PM) directorbot: A LITTLE UPDATE ON THE M2 HELLCAMP: We've had our guys working hard on figuring out how many hostile titans are trapped in M2. A bunch of work with locators has gone into this, and as best as we can tell, 334 out of the 724 hostile titans are still stuck in m2.

Enemy systems iHubs and starbases are being blown up. Battles are still ongoing, a big one last night almost succeeded in saving it but failed at the last moment. The enemy still owns large chucks of Delve, Querious, Period Basis and Fountion. There's a long road ahead before the enemy is cleared.

TEST and Legacy, who live next door, would be next.


Their morale is shattered right now and will take time to rebuild. But I would say Delve is safe and will not fall in this campaign.


edit- All Goonswarm Titan's have been replaced/reimbursed and the Bonds offer is now closed.

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2:17:52 PM) directorbot: It takes a lot of :effort: to run locators on 700+ passpi nerds; the credit for this information goes to the blazer crew with penguinbacon doing some hero shit and helping coordinate the process with the blazing crew who really stepped up here. A bunch of work now conveniently put into an adash scan so you can see the by-alliance breakdown of what we believe is trapped in m2 currently.

note that the count is updated to 337, not 334 - big number go up :v:
https://adashboard.info/intel/local/view/XYdXLro0

93 TEST
69 Horde (nice)
61 FRT
61 NC
20 PL
12 Brave
etc

Above 35 Trillion ISK, maybe up to 80T.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Korachia on January 08, 2021, 11:17:25 PM
Incredible. The amount of assets and fleetpower trapped. This would be like if Napoleons troops where caught in a kesselschlacht around Borisov without option to retreat over the river.

What do you think the plans are for Horde, TEST and NC? Or has this cataclysm already created fractures in their unified command?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 09, 2021, 03:55:25 AM
Surprisingly to me, there hasn't been any news of any breakup in papi*. The Mittani is actively saying that TEST is next. PL and the others live on then other side of the galaxy and don't have anything to lose but haven't left yet. With the rest of Eve all blue to each other, they wouldn't have much to fight either.

It reminds me very much of the month after SirMolle lost his Titan and got locked up in PR- for a month.


------
* - papi dosn't have any caps left


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 09, 2021, 04:57:01 PM
The Mittani's fireside chat from today (https://www.mixcloud.com/Kahanis/fireside-chat-9-jan-2k21/)

He's offering ONE GOLDEN TICKET to not-test to pay for ONE alliance to get their their Titan's out. Whoever pays the most gets their Titan's out.


papi no longer outnumbers their enemies in time zone.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Sir T on January 10, 2021, 12:50:37 AM
Its that kind of sadistic crap that keeps theMittani logging in. He wont want this to end.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Korachia on January 10, 2021, 01:11:36 PM
So deliciosly evil!

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/sswM8dfmuh0kYNgYrs8CYa_vQtcBNUop7p06yvC6eeRssqC_46BEbKI-ErK99nQdiXQU_6_tg4Eaac3e7DwasQ4JHVOFPAPtALBl_dVMSIcoNPlobM73NtI82eU)

Who is most likely to jump upon this?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: slog on January 10, 2021, 01:51:56 PM
The Mittani's fireside chat from today (https://www.mixcloud.com/Kahanis/fireside-chat-9-jan-2k21/)

He's offering ONE GOLDEN TICKET to not-test to pay for ONE alliance to get their their Titan's out. Whoever pays the most gets their Titan's out.


papi no longer outnumbers their enemies in time zone.

Smart way to divide their coalition.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 11, 2021, 01:30:47 AM
NC. or PL. I'm surprised one of them haven't yet.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Korachia on January 11, 2021, 10:34:25 PM
Any takers of the ticket?


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 11, 2021, 11:25:11 PM
None that I have heard of. The M2- camp continues. A couple of Titans have logged in and been blown up, some blowing themselves up to avoid the shame.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: slog on January 12, 2021, 04:41:46 AM
None that I have heard of. The M2- camp continues. A couple of Titans have logged in and been blown up, some blowing themselves up to avoid the shame.

At some point the pilot being stuck in the camp makes it not worth waiting it out.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on January 25, 2021, 06:02:54 PM
I've been busy pushing and writing battle reports about 19th century Napoleonic warfare so haven't been logging in much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJpwrAVivgM

Vily gets 8 fleets formed for Operation Titan Rescue. Vily gets Horde to login their Supercarriers in to test the waters...gets his own personal Titan out...and then gives up. The Supercarriers get blown up and Vily retreats with his own ship now safe.


This would be the part of the TV series where the bad guy reveals he treats his minions as well as you expect a bad guy to do.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Baldrake on March 09, 2021, 10:56:09 AM
I've been feeling the urge to jump into Eve again. Please talk me down.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Sir T on March 10, 2021, 01:40:51 AM
Its Eve. The only winning move is not to play.

I've been feeling an urge recently myself. CCP must have gotten hold of the One Ring again.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: ghost on March 11, 2021, 10:38:39 AM
I've been feeling the urge to jump into Eve again. Please talk me down.

Why would you ever do this?  Eve is awful. 


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Endie on August 18, 2021, 07:36:36 AM
I've been feeling the urge to jump into Eve again. Please talk me down.

Why would you ever do this?  Eve is awful. 

True story I stopped playing Eve and got promoted three times in two and a half years. Don't play Eve. If you know anyone who plays Eve, persuade them to stop or, failing that, encourage them to take up desomorphine as it is more fun and less harmful.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Setanta on August 18, 2021, 07:58:27 AM
I finally pulled the plug on my last account.

The game is just meh now.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Khaldun on September 03, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
Those last two posts need to be preserved in amber or something. They feel like something a revolutionary would say five years after the revolution. I am not criticizing. I'm actually sad in saying so.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Teleku on September 04, 2021, 08:47:09 AM
I remain very sad that everybody made 1,000 EQ clones and nobody tried to make a better version of Eve.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Sir T on September 04, 2021, 09:13:58 AM
A Russian Game called Star Wolves was a Single player game that used the Eve movement system. I replay it and its sequel occasionally.

But ya, there has been more Sea Pirate MMGs than space ones.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Kageru on September 10, 2021, 05:45:06 PM
Eve came at a time when the novelty of MMO's was enough to overcome the mechanical limits of the gameplay, so it got the chance to build a very dedicated population which made the social systems work. EQ was the same, but it was easier to extend the gameplay and make it more PvE focused... though even then, not that many MMO's around these days outside of Korean PvP grinders.

I notice Perpetuum is still around on steam, and how that was touted as an eve-alike.

So is Eve reaching another point on it's decline? Can't imagine it's drawing in huge numbers of new players.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Endie on September 11, 2021, 01:19:36 AM
So is Eve reaching another point on it's decline? Can't imagine it's drawing in huge numbers of new players.

The weird thing is how long the tail is proving with Eve. It is in decline, and short of a step-change in gameplay that must surely continue. But its half life seems to be about a decade: 60k peak online in late 2010, still c.30k just over ten years on. Masses of alts contribute to the PCU figure, of course, but that has been the case since forever, so probably doesn't directly affect the first or second derivatives of the curve.

(https://i.imgur.com/4WodU90.png)

The trend on the number of new accounts being set up - discounting the spikes after big fights - is surprisingly healthy (apologies for the lack of a timescale but the site doesn't add one: it's the same period as the first graph, however).  But Eve is clearly unable to keep them at a rate fast enough to make up for the haemorrhaging of older players. There are also a bunch of reasons (based either in gameplay or psychology) why existing players set up alts that then rarely log in, or which do so only for minutes at a time without adding to the number of paying accounts.

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Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Sir T on September 12, 2021, 05:11:30 PM
I don't know what it says about my unconscious mind, but I quite often dream that I'm roaming around in Eve. Well, its cheaper than a sub!


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Kageru on September 13, 2021, 12:18:07 AM
There must be some point at which space becomes sufficiently empty that there is no social / emergent game-play to keep people engaged and the decline steepens. In addition to the inevitable power creep of the game required to keep the veterans interested but presenting a wall to new players. And I guess those two interact in that it was the big wars that had a hunger for new blood.

Though yes, that is one impressive tail for such a limited game, I guess it still owns the niche in which it lives pretty solidly.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on July 13, 2022, 11:59:38 PM
Breaking News[/i]: Eve Online Reddit, Something Awful and Goonfleet.com:

In news today, The Mittani, head and CEO of infamous Goonswarm Alliance has been accused in the court of public opinion of: protecting pedophiles (Xenuria), dismissing legitimate complaints of sexual harassment, activity fighting against women making complaints and stands accused of being a sex pest in public for over a decade.

At this very moment, Goonswarm leadership is in the bunker attempting to ignore the growing calls for him to stand down from the leadership, and may result in the disbanding of the entire alliance.

Downfall video's are being made as we speak.

The head of Goonswarm HR (the only member of it) Innmoniate, has also ducked for cover, after it was revealed that he was informed of these events a decade ago, and did nothing.

Not 4 hours ago he was pemabanned from somethingawful.com forums and r/eve top thread are all following the drama.


I expect this news will NOT be surprising to some people who post on this very forum.



Posts from Somethingawful.com EVE thread:

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dabigredboat posted:

    I haven't played EVE in almost a year but since my name is being thrown into this for some reason, I'll come out and say it. Back when I joined goons, I was a complete and utter dick. I said horrible things, I participated in "edgy" things, some for money, some because I just followed others shamelessly. I did this because SA and Goons were my first online experience right out of highschool. I mirrored what I saw others doing. Oh, RHO Squad is doing this thing, I need to jump in on that to fit in. Some of the worst verbal abuse I ever saw though came during times when Darius and other old leaders would get drunk and do "slosh ops", the amount of horrible shit said back then was horrible. Back then I played EVE Online too much, I think at one point I played it some 12hrs a day.

    I drank the cool-aid up during the time of "The Mittani Twitch" Era. I was in college and money was money. I figured if I am going to play games anyway, might as well get paid for doing it. I streamed and got paid. I was not the only one, there was a few of us offered the same thing. I was promised heaps of money during the Archeage shit if I convinced all the goons I played eve with to play Archeage. If I got x number of people to play, I would get paid x number if they stayed longer than a month. Same thing happened with H1Z1. After meeting the CEO of Sony Games at EVE Fanfest, I got offered money to get the goons that played Planetside 2 to play H1Z1. Lead EVE Goons around in a game, get them to have fun and talk about it, get more goons to play, get paid. Was it shitty, sure, did I need the extra money at the time, more so. Like someone said a couple of pages ago. people change. I know ive changed in 15 years of "internet spaceships".

    I do see plenty of people I haven't hung out with in a long time. Arkhamina, Daitengu, Frabba, Kismeteer and others that I have been to meetups with, so nice to see them still around.


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ded posted:



    :siren: :siren: :siren: composted post ahead :siren: :siren: :siren:

    I've been going over this in my head for some time now. Thinking about why I am angry about this garbage fire. How the latest problems really started, and who enabled the whole thing.

    The entire GSF leadership broke trust and enabled the Mittani and others to do some really nasty stuff.

    When I got the email about the horn of goondor I was like, ya fuck that noise. Months later I hear about the m2- fight and I look into the current state of goons in eve online. I see that there was an effort to clean things up. I see a guy who is articulate talking about the fight and whats going on in a twitch stream. I think to myself well why not. There is a pandemic and going outside could straight up kill me. Lets give this a shot.

    I find that GSF had a cultural revolution that got rid of toxic gamer stuff like slurs and harassment. Everything was supposed to be cool and hey they even have a sig for LGBTQ+. Women also have a sig and seem to not be constantly gone after in creepy ways.
    This turned out to be smoke and mirrors. The same rot of the old goonfleet was still there.
    I should have seen the warning signs. They were everywhere. Just not spoken out loud until a bit later.

    What signs you ask? The goonfleet forums has a giant wiki that for a very long time was an outstanding place to get general information about eve. As long as you overlooked the nonstop gamer words and slurs in it. The cultural revolution apparently never reached the wiki. It still had some useful things like how to tackle, how to get an overview setup, and how to install a program that is used for goon services and how to modify those things so they don't run like crap or look better. But it was still a giant pile of gamer words and slurs. When leadership was asked about this the answer was "oh we never got around to it". Big red flag right there. The “revolution” to remove these things was in 2012.

    Who shined a light on this giant turd left by leadership? Delta Sqad.

    The goonfleet forums themselves were also full of horrible emotes. Actual nazi emotes, slurs, rape jokes, you god damned name it. The absolute worst of the worst was there. When leadership was asked why is this still here? "oh we never got around to it". Another giant red flag. Again, the “revolution” to remove these kinds of things happened in 2012.

    Who shined a light on this giant turd left by leadership? Delta Sqad.

    Delta Sqad put in effort to clean these things. We were not able to clean it all but got some of it. You can still find slurs and gamer words in the wiki and horrible emotes on the forums. The single person who can remove those emotes is guess who? Innominate.

    What did Delta Sqad get called for shining a light on these turds? Toxic.


    Now fast forward a bit and the giant war has ended. The leader of Queerswarm (the GSF LGBTQ+ sig) is in a fleet and is directly called a slur. When the person who said this was confronted he not only double downed on it but triple downed on it. This was reported to leadership. Cryo made sure that illuminati (the GSF inner circle of leadership) was aware of this. Alterari made sure the guys corp GLD was notified. What did leadership do? They handed the problem off to Innominate. Days later nothing has been resolved. After some digging is done it is found out that the person who slurred "apologized" to his corp CEO and nothing further was done about it. You see he grew up in the 80s and was drunk so no harm no foul right? (this is not a joke this was what was actually said)

    The person that was attacked was never spoken to about this. Never reached out to. In the eyes of the entire GSF no consequences occurred to someone personally attacking another via slurs in a GSF lead fleet. In fact to this very day he still has not had an actual apology of any sort.

    In an effort to get some kind of actual resolution to this the person who was attacked made a call out thread about it in helldump on goonfleet.com. Delta is shining a light on yet another turd leadership left lying around. Delta is toxic. So so very toxic.

    Only after this thread was made was action taken. About 1-2 days later anyways. The offending homophobe was airlocked and all was well. Right? Well no actually the entire corp he was a part of left the GSF because they had been told the problem was resolved before the kick. They went and put the homophobe back into the corp and joined HERO coalition.

    Delta Sqad once again forced leadership to take action on something they said no longer happened in the GSF. Toxic.

    Now the most recent event that grabbed everyone's attention. Mcwolf. During the war Mcwolf joined the GSF and also happened to be a Twitch streamer. She joined up with Delta Sqad because of our outstanding posting and streamed some of the fights we had with PAPI.

    Some of the people who followed her online on various platforms got a bit too stalkerish. She used the available features on those platforms to block/remove the offending people but like many things online they just kept coming back. 2 of those people followed her in eve online as well. They went so far as to join the GSF to continue this behavior. Again, leadership was notified of this. MRCHI asked wolf to send a goonfleet.com private message to Innominate with logs and screenshots of one of the people who had been stalking her, in January. This was to be supplemental information to what MRCHI already had to get this person blacklisted from the alliance. It sat in his box for 6 months before being looked at. When he did read them he described the message as “a wall of text that was not actionable”.

    Behind the closed doors of the inner circle illuminati wolf was called every single misogynistic word in the book and even newer ones that are favorites of PUA artists. She was mocked as another Amber Heard. Here are some of the words said by the the leader himself :

    the_mittani: gosh why isn't anyone DOING SOMETHING about the HURT FEELINGS of this WOUNDED BIRD
    the_mittani: it's all horseshit
    the_mittani: and i bet you the delta drama would be substantially cut down with a couple of particularly dramatic skulls put on fucking spikes

    Wolf felt she had no choice so she took this from a private matter into a public one by posting a thread in helldump on goonfleet.com about the issue. The person who had been harassing her has a mental health crisis in the thread. Everything gets locked down and the stalker is kicked. Wolf is kicked as well.

    When the directorate is asked why was wolf kicked there is no clear answer. One director in the Delta Sqad discord goes ballistic over this and has some rather choice things to say about it all :

    [GEWNS] Kazanir — 07/10/2022
    there is nothing in the text that Wolf wrote to Innominate which is either an allegation of stalking or an allegation of sexual harassment. that is literally not what happened.
    [GEWNS] Kazanir — 07/10/2022
    what did happen, apparently, is that wolf filed this information at MRCHI's request, it didn't contain much actionable, and then it went nowhere, somehow
    [GEWNS] Kazanir — 07/10/2022
    but what did NOT happen here is that someone "sat on a report of sexual harassment for 6 months"

    There are screenshots that show when exactly the PM was sent and when Innominate looked at it.

    Then FNLN comes in. He has a chat with mittani directly whom he has known for a very long time. You have seen these logs. The logs are horrendous. This is what made me see the rot that was there the entire time. The guy who swore up and down and sideways that GSF had a cultural revolution and this kind of shit would not be tolerated was himself spouting things that would get any other member of the GSF airlocked.

    At some point wolf was unbanned from GSF but no one apologized to her other than AmazingJay. Mittani posted some bullshit sorry on goonfleet.com that wolf can’t even read because she was kicked. A bunch of words that sound good but you know had no actual feelings behind them, after you have seen the logs, seen how other issues were handled, and seen the complete dumpster fire that is goonfleet.com.

    Delta went nuclear. Our goodposting went into helldump on goonfleet.com, the eve thread on the somethingawful.com forums, and even to reddit. Logs have been posted of actual conversations that you have already read. Several of us have been outright banned for posting in the “anything goes” helldump. Many others have left on their own out of disgust. Old members from goonfleet have done good posting as well.

    The amount of ~true goons~ who think this sort of thing is acceptable is pretty much zero.

    No no guys. Delta Sqad is toxic you see. Trust the system. Trust the process. Everything is fine and good we had a cultural revolution in 2012.

    If you want real change to happen to GSF the leadership at the top needs to be removed from all levers of power and never be allowed to touch them ever again. This will not happen however. The people at the top have made this game into a personal font of public validation.

    Many other things have come out since I started working on this compost yesterday. Just remember, when you think it cannot get worse, it already was.

    More stuff that has happened while working on this, mittani is now permabanned from SA. inshallah

    TLDR :
    GSF has not changed even with the 2012 “cultural revolution”
    Nearly everything the GSF leadership tells you is a lie unless it involves ISK
    Eve is a bad game and you should not play it

    Thank you for reading my doctorate thesis on stupid internet spaceship guild

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TheWeedNumber posted:

    thats a long time to listen to xenuria talk, whats the timestamp where he admits the shit?


22 minutes or so, it's very near the end. He fully admits to the facepunch profile being his, the chatlogs being real, etc.

Groomfleet cannot be allowed to continue operating under its current leadership, and sure as fuck shouldn't be tying itself to or affiliated with this website under any circumstances in my opinion, whatever the fuck they do with the space castles

They, with they including The Mittani specifically by his OWN ADMISSION, knew in 2012 and have actively hidden the truth the entire time.

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FirstnameLastname posted:

    did you want more?

    no?

    I'm so sorry - but there is more.

    There is always more.

    cw: Alexander "The Mittani" doing his standard woman-hating victim-blaming ~Goon Emperorship~; i tried to make it kinda popup-book style tho for fun :)
    PART DEUX of (???):

    1

    the_mittani: alright i feel i've done my due diligence on borderline bullshit today
    the_mittani: if mcwolf pops up with another wall of text about how some weird interpersonal bpd drama is totally not her fault and we're awful humans for not stepping in because she is incapable of using the block button i will shoot her, too
    the_mittani: this crap - and it is crap - wasted almost 45 minutes of our time because of my insistence upon justice and order, which is cool and good
    the_mittani: but these are not good faith complaints and they are not reportings of crimes or breaking rules in our community
    the_mittani: that's a big signal, fyi - squid ink
    the_mittani: when noraus has to write ten pages to explain why he's attacking brave, it's bullshit

    the_mittani: when you read a drama report and it's pages of he said she said nonsense with lots of ~hurt feelings~ it is probably also bullshit
    the_mittani: if someone called someone a gamer word, that is clear, obvious, actionable, and violated our community rules and standards
    the_mittani: i am not a fan of either of these fucking dramawhores having dug into this, mcwolf or nikki whatever deserve one another and i'm washing my hands of it
    the_mittani: you must learn and understand the nature of the borderline or they will tie your soul in knots, kids
    the_mittani: gosh why isn't anyone DOING SOMETHING about the HURT FEELINGS of this WOUNDED BIRD
    the_mittani: it's all horseshit (the_mittani: the WHOLE POINT OF DUE PROCESS DONT TALK ABOUT EVERYONE'S SHIT IN FRONT OF A WHOLE AUDIENCE)
    the_mittani: and i bet you the delta drama would be substantially cut down with a couple of particularly dramatic skulls put on fucking spikes


    2

    the_mittani: anyway personally i'd shoot the bitch she wasted an hour of our time and appears to be creating more and more and more drama
    the_mittani: but idk how many deltas whose mothers didn't hug them enough are wrapped around her victim-finger
    the_mittani: women are entirely capable of standing up for themselves, blocking assholes, bringing down the hammer, and not requiring a strike team of rescuers


    3

    the_mittani: i may just close helldump the ability to play for sympathy in front of a no-rules mob is that it becomes a magnet for the baculus-the-narcissists and the mcwolf-the-tragic-rescue types
    the_mittani: they can swoop in and hijack public sympathy in a way we're unable to predict or control and this is a recurring issue


    4
    the_mittani: and just like last time, i will simply put heads on spikes over and over again until order is restored, with the occasional oops sorry about that one overly enthusiastic apology thrown in

    But he REALLY means it, he's TOTALLY sorry and isn't a complete sociopath

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Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on July 14, 2022, 01:09:31 AM
Lots of old stories coming out. This one from back when I was for a very short time a Skirmish Fleet Commander.

About The Mittani's (now ex-wife):
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PST posted:

    Or, more fully, cheated on her while she was in Russia for her PhD, and decided that the moment the FSB went full 'american spy' on her and prevented her leaving the country was the time to empty the bank account to get together with his mistress, and refuse to hand her dog over to friends of hers, leading to her dad driving from Alaska to get her dog.

    Also, she's now a super successful academic and he's, well, not a lot, but then she was also the successful lawyer and he was the trust fund lawyer who didn't do any real law.


For those around at the time, this is Mandonza:

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yeah but im no serial harasser and the only time I've ever posted my dick to ANYONE was because rydis made me do it. I picked the war room as a fuck you to the rest of yall for being forced to either do that or lose skirmish commander around circa 2011. I definitely was a shitbag back in the day and I mighta trolled the odd person or two but I don't harass women or fuck with them. So what the fuck is this bullshit that's coming out of your discord? Like me or don't but don't fucking lie about me b. Fucking hell


So he's saying the female(!) Goonswarm Alliance sky marshal of the time ordered him to do it (WTF?!!?). Back when he posted a full on dickpick to goonfleet.com (and got pemrabanned very shortly there after).



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Phildo on July 14, 2022, 06:30:03 AM
Hard to believe Mittani is still running things at all, but then Goonswarm was always a shitshow.  Nice to hear that DBRB grew up, though.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Johny Cee on July 14, 2022, 08:59:42 AM
Lots of text....  from the tone of which I can't figure out what is meant to be sarcastic or "sarcastic" or genuine.


These people were always shitty and toxic?  Lots of ironic racism and sexism and whatever else covering up really awful shit? 

NO WAY.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Hoax on July 14, 2022, 11:30:27 AM
That anyone who was a part of SA/GSF ever at any point wants to pretend they have been part of the good guys all along is really the sickening part of whatever this is. Gamer words and edgy shit is the bread and butter. Always was. Who cares. Who is surprised. Who is acting like there is a hidden rot involved. what utter nonsense.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Phildo on July 14, 2022, 01:22:55 PM
When the alt-right first started raising their head in the early to mid 2010s, I just thought "oh, they're Goons".


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: schild on July 14, 2022, 01:24:03 PM
Absolutely. They still are.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on July 15, 2022, 05:52:30 PM
And he's stepped down (https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/vzs3dg/mittani_steps_down/)

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And I would have gotten away with it...if it wasn't for those meddling kids!


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on July 15, 2022, 06:00:34 PM
And to keeps things seperate, The Delta Squad Timeline (https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/vzz7sx/the_delta_sqad_timeline_of_events/) goes into detail in what happened, when.

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Hey Guys, none of you know me, but I am one of the people in Delta Sqad that people tend to ask to get things done. I feel it's necessary to post our timeline of events to people so the facts of the situation can be judged fairly from our point of view and to help people process this last week's events. We are all in a place that nobody is happy about; it's like surveying your town after a hurricane blew through. I'm sure you have some pretty strong emotions about all this that you are still sorting through and it's important to take some time to grieve about that it's part of the healing process.

I would like to explain a bit how we got here so it can help people move forward.

On July 7th we had an incident on our discord server that involved kicking a person that at the time was just super annoying on discord. Later that night he was mouthing off to people in the fleet to the point where the FC kicked him, he later made a call-out thread in hell dump, saying we had Bully'd him out of the game, and told him to commit suicide, this is totally false everyone in fleet said no one wishes him any harm; they just wanted him to correct his behavior. At this time, after being berated and insulted by him, Mcwolf made a counter-call-out thread that showed how creepy he had been to her in PMs, I will spare you the details, but it was bad, really bad. This part is important. On July 7th this offender was kicked.

Late night, July 7th Cryo and I discussed this issue and more in PMs we both came to the conclusion that the org could do better to resolve these issues and we wanted to make a pitch for some structural changes to improve things. https://ibb.co/rHhbFHL https://ibb.co/dGTjDBn

July 8th, I spend the day writing the report cryo is going to present to ilum. I talk with a bunch of people from inside and outside the imperium and I feel vindicated in my belief that changes need to be made. I personally asked MCwolf and Daniel Onzo to write sort of harassment impact statements as a preamble to the report to hammer home why on an emotional level why changes need to be made I will include the second to the last draft of the report I wrote with the names redacted because some of the perpetrators have a delicate mental state and I would not like to see them being victims of harassment. https://privatebin.net/?7a3370b98ff4dd3c#BB4d8XvVHz99P2PrfwDaormMKcQBXLffDMUYfC8FA15j

July 9, Saturday morning the last 18 hours of the imperium as we knew it. A mid-day cryo messages me saying he presented our report to ilum and it was received well.

July 9, 6 pm, we are informed that MC Wolf was kicked and black-listed from the imperium. I am personally livid that I spent 24 writing a report on harassment only for them to kick one of the people testifying in the report. My last two sentences to the higher-ups are "If you shake this tree, you will not be able to control what falls out" and "By doing this you are going to start a nuclear meltdown is that is going to chain-react uncontrollably"

July 9th FNLN goes nuclear he holds 680 billion of member isk hostage. Delta comes to terms with the fact that we are going to get airlocked people, hop on discord coms to ask what's going on and we just sing closing time at them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGytDsqkQY8&ab_channel=SemisonicVEVO

On July 10th FNLN posts his chat logs with the Mittani. I will say this is the first time anyone in Delta other than FNLN has seen these. Things have now gone from us throwing a Molotov at city hall to a righteous crusade; the Rubicon has been crossed; there is no going back from this point, it's ride and die from us from here on out. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=4006027&pagenumber=31&perpage=40#post524772360

July 10th Aldani's accusation comes forward on SA and Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/vvzgh3/gsf_leaders_sit_on_stalking_report_for_months_ban/

July 11th Aldani goes on New Eden post to make her accusations public. Side note this takes an extraordinary amount of courage. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1530144832?t=0h46m17s

July 12 Hezzy returns with chat logs of xenuria's pedophilia https://i.imgur.com/I8uS6bP.png

July 13th person comes forward with Facebook whisper network post about mittani. https://i.imgur.com/wk2cP3Q.jpeg

July 13th A director disgusted by Mittani's behavior in the above Facebook post gives us Saturday illum logs https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4006027&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=62#post524820978

July 13th the Xenuria event happens https://soundcloud.com/new-eden-post/xenuria-confronts-hezzy https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=4006027&pagenumber=71&perpage=40#post524828652

July 15th the Mittani steps down.

So there you have it, folks, that is the most official and correct timeline of events I can give you, what happens from here is up to all of us to choose a better path moving forward. I will also say I have spent nearly a week getting a crash course in the long-term fallout of harassment and abuse online and it sucks please don't do it and finally never suffer in silence talk to people let your feelings be known and don't let someone diminish you.


And that's how the world's biggest space emperor was over thrown.


It turns out we all found out what the Delta squad secret was.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on July 15, 2022, 08:49:29 PM
A day of high Drama!

To get everyone up to speed:

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Mittens ignored and mishandled someone being stalked, harassed, and targeted by a bad person. Older goons called him out for it, and he doubled down. Older goons pointed out that this was recurring and typical behavior for him, and that this had resulted in a climate in GSF in which people who were harassed would either not engage with the community, or would just leave, because asking for help was ignored or actively mocked. Pubbies in GSF lined up to kiss the ring. Older goons continued to post on r/eve and SA and GSF forums to the effect of, "It is not right that we, a group of adults in TYOOL 2022 permit people to be treated in this manner."

MIttens resigns.


(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347903329021591563/997532625445081118/unknown.png)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsBF5sEqhB8

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Elysium is dire right now, christ. Just a train of somber sycophants lining up to give him handjobs and wail against the toxic drama queens who caused this. It makes it hard to think this is actually the first step towards anything good.

Upper leadership is so close to getting it:
(https://i.imgur.com/CrMJr2N.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/996924465936076911/997535817381707816/unknown.png)

The Mittani’s Furniture Store Advertises Going Out of Business Sale (https://eveonion.com/the-mittanis-furniture-store-advertises-going-out-of-business-sale%ef%bf%bc/?_unique_id=62d188f6cf1ce).

The HR of Goonswarm:
(https://i.imgur.com/GeRMLxu.png)

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Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Hoax on July 15, 2022, 09:07:59 PM
I mean what a stupid fuckshow.

If these Delta fuckwits win, they control nothing because they aren't Goons and with them in charge Goons will cease to be a thing that is relevant. If they don't win, idk, Goons will continue to be the mostly shitty bunch of old 4ch style dudes they have always been but probably still hobbled enough that they will decay and die out and incapable of doing any of the fun stuff they used to do because they'll be completely lacking in any mystique or ability to win a PR fight ever again.

Basically Goons can die or they can become full blown angry MRA/Incel types instead of kind of funny/meme'y when not going full /pol/ types who mostly don't show that incel side in public.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on July 15, 2022, 10:08:16 PM
Also Bob From Marketing (the child abuser) is STILL in Snigg and in Pandemic Legion. I'm surprised he hasn't been arrested by the FBI yet.

Darius Johnson apologies to everyone except LOVU:
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The wisest thing is probably to stay out of this but I'm an idiot and always have been.

I can corroborate the stories about mittanis ex. I was friends with mittens for a decade or so and "broke up" with him when he pulled that shit on his wife, who was also a friend. She was indeed in Russia. He did indeed email her to tell her they were getting divorced before she got home. He did indeed take a bunch of shit from the house and re-homed the pets. Anything about him being a creepy groper wasn't out until after I had stopped speaking to him so I can't speak to most of that though I can say I did see an incident firsthand, not knowing it wasn't consensual until years later.

Prior to his divorce I never personally witnessed any outwardly concerning behavior. He was just our narcissist and it was amusing. Hell at Fanfest one year trzzbk and zastrow went and invited him back to the VIP section they were sitting in for winning the garage band contest so I could tell him he couldn't come in. Then they took pictures of him being rejected. They also did this to Michael Bolton and Seleene. Seleene fell for it twice. I think I have video of my wife and some others doing "the mittani dance" right next to him and he was oblivious and that was part of his charm to us.

I don't want to distract from this thread because it's important and I don't want to make it about me. I've moved on and avoid anything EVE like the plague. I see a lot of old friends here though and while I was hoping not to see my name I have and I think that makes it a good time to get some shit off my chest and then hopefully go back away forever.

It's unfortunate in reading through these threads that while I was experiencing a great time with great friends other people were deeply hurt. I saw everything through the lens of the hilariously good times and the victories but I was I was completely ignorant of the feelings that were being hurt in the meantime, sometimes to friends.

I did and said a lot when I was young that I regret. It's not an excuse but I was in a badly untreated mental place and was treating it with mountains of alcohol, working full time and running a giant space alliance also full time. Like Icorion, I too, have spent a lot of time soul searching.

There are things I wish I could take back. Booting EO for one, was a kneejerk reactive play at a time where popular opinion was in a weird place and I was insecurely concerned about PL chipping away at our players, which was what was happening with EO from what I could see, right or wrong. It was the wrong thing to do and older me would have seen the fun in it. Younger me though was earnestly trying to do the right thing to keep goons together and achieve our goals and in doing so I took things way too seriously. I know some of this was said when I "came back" for like 3 months or whatever 6 years ago but I'm sure not everyone's heard it and I think if you've made a mistake you should do the best you can to make sure you account for it.

On the one hand I'm not sure we would have eventually beat BoB without that terribly rigid and unfun attitude but on the other looking back I question whether all of the hurt feelings were worth it. My genuine really lame, altruistic but true aim was to help goons as a whole achieve our goals and win in space. Maybe I failed but that was my motivation. I was no machiavellian puppetmaster, just a young kid, damaged by military school upbringing who didn't know how to interact with people and treat them well or really even lead well. Just well enough I guess to whip a bunch of people in the same direction.

Anyway I didn't post to tell stories. I came here because someone sent me a post from DBRB, I don't even know where it was from, saying basically that the worst he was ever treated in his life was by me on some drunken ops or something to that effect and that made me feel terrible. I genuinely thought I treated him well considering how everyone else did and I guess I was just a giant shitbag so I'm sorry DBRB if you are reading this. It wasn't intentional and now's a pretty decent opportunity for the apology tour since so many older people are here.

Icorion, I don't recall the details. I don't remember much at all tbh it's part of what's wrong with my head, but I do know you were obviously hurt and I do have some recollection of not treating you the way I'd have treated you as a more mature person. I'm sincerely sorry about that and I wish TBH I was doing things back then with today's experience and demeanor. I'm sorry you were so scarred by what we did. I just did not have perspective on how to deal with people at the time. I wish I could take that back. Even if there was a transgression I remember you as a loyal and good friend and I clearly did you wrong. That this caused you so much duress is terrible and you didn't deserve that.

With that said I was never involved in anything criminal ever in my life. I did not purposely stress Sesfan out, I loved Sesfan and we were very friendly even after he left. There was communication in the star chamber about replacing sesfan and it was engineered that I would take his place but my intention in doing so was to ensure things didn't stagnate and fall apart and if my recollection is correct Sesfan had been checked out for a while. I don't recall any conversation with Suas at fanfest about replacing sesfan and thought that had all taken place completely in the star chamber but like I said I don't have much memory so maybe? That's not to say others didn't have those intentions but I can say I would not have tried to hurt anyone IRL. I was only chosen basically because mittani was damaged goods and there weren't any other perceived viable options in the circle of trust, rightly or wrongly.

Suas, I can't take back saying a titan was stolen. That's my recollection. I thought it had been squashed as we'd hung out personally since, but it still seems to be festering and I'm sorry for that. I considered you a friend despite that and thought we had moved past it. The reason insofar as I can remember for that is that someone had built a titan using funds it was deemed at the time they should not have had, for right or for wrong. Usually that meant moon goo taxes and now that I see a bit through the fog it may have been money from your project. TBH I was probably in the wrong. I'm not going to get too deep into naming names but someone gave the password to an alt I think was suas's though I'm a mush-head and could be totally remembering wrong. This was done for altruistic reasons and maybe I was in the wrong so I get it. The fact remained however that a titan belonging to the alliance was taken by suas due to a shared password from someone in a position of trust. I probably should have made better decisions and certainly shouldn't have been as severe about it but I was young and stupid and the titan was indeed taken. I have no idea how to rectify that but I thought I had.

Arkhamina, never named me directly ever as far as I can tell but later on I did feel bad for how I ended up treating her, maybe because I found out later what a genuinely decent human being she was rather than a space robot, which I guess is how I treated a lot of people. It may actually have been after I learned how she had helped Mitten's ex. Either way in serious space business she wanted a space promotion and I was a dumb dick who didn't want to give it to her and she deserved it and I think I may have really hurt her feelings. That one stuck with me and I think she's posted in this thread so she gets the apology too in the hopes that she'll at least see it. I've been sitting on that one for a long time.

I was never involved in any of the doxxing or other crazy shit that went on later. I actually caught shit for giving CCP information about exploits that were being abused. I've never been a boyscout but I've also never done anything ethically compromising to my recollection. Shady shit that might have gone on was purposefully kept away from me.

Anyway Goonswarm has been dead for a long time. I can't say when it happened, but it did. When I went to CCP I was cut off from everyone in GS who I played with who weren't direct friends. When I left and could play again mittani told me I couldn't join leadership because he didn't want a backseat CEO and so there wasn't much left for me to do as that's how I play the game and that's why the "splinter alliance" was made. I just wanted to have some fun and it was spun as some puppetmaster-esque plan and it made me really miserable and took the joy out of it so I left.

At the end of the day EVE changed my life in a lot of ways and it gave me my best friends but also my biggest regrets.

Given the piece of shit Mittani has turned into I'm glad people are putting their foot down and ending it. I personally advocated for a permanent ban when he pulled the wizard hat shit and was overruled. FNLN IMO was a hero 15 years ago and I'm glad to see he still is today for what that's worth.

I hope the right things happen and everyone who has been aggrieved here gets some semblance of justice. This shit should have been dealt with years ago and CCP as much as anyone is complicit here for not dealing with the problem years ago when they had the opportunity and knew it was the right thing to do.

I wish you all the best and hope that despite the bullshit you did have some genuine good times.

When I called him out for forgetting LOVEU:
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TBH I don't even know wtf happened there anymore. I remember LOVEU as being great... Lenny I think was who I remember the most.

Yeah it was probably the wrong thing so sorry.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: schild on July 16, 2022, 12:10:44 AM
I mean what a stupid fuckshow.

If these Delta fuckwits win, they control nothing because they aren't Goons and with them in charge Goons will cease to be a thing that is relevant. If they don't win, idk, Goons will continue to be the mostly shitty bunch of old 4ch style dudes they have always been but probably still hobbled enough that they will decay and die out and incapable of doing any of the fun stuff they used to do because they'll be completely lacking in any mystique or ability to win a PR fight ever again.

Basically Goons can die or they can become full blown angry MRA/Incel types instead of kind of funny/meme'y when not going full /pol/ types who mostly don't show that incel side in public.
Are you really saying GOONS playing SPACE SHIP in 2022 aren't defaulted to incel? Come on.

Also this has to be the least surprising story of the year... Thus far.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on July 16, 2022, 01:03:15 AM
Are you really saying GOONS playing SPACE SHIP in 2022 aren't defaulted to incel? Come on.

Well this all snowballed after the SomethingAwful Eve thread blew it all up, and old goons came out of the woodwork to help destroy it. Lots of old Goonswarm CEO's and leaders saying Mistakes Were Made and they hope Lessons Have Been Learnt and they are sorry for hurting people when they were...younger.

Hell I think it was FirstnameLastname that helped destroy Remindel (who did that a lot of that himself of course) that was used by The Mittani to do that. And now he's destroyed The Mittani too.


I've been watching too many Greek Mythology video's (https://www.youtube.com/c/OverlySarcasticProductionsChannel) on YouTube, but I can't shake the feeling there's an echo of it here.



Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on July 17, 2022, 01:01:44 AM
And now, THIS (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4006027&pagenumber=142#post524895712)

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I've been agonizing for days over whether or not to post in this thread. Meanwhile, I've been mashing F5 since this shit kicked off.

I don't really know where to begin, other than to say I'm so goddamn sorry for the reprehensible shit I did. My time with goonfleet is as filled with good memories and times as it is with regrets. A lot of regrets over things I did. If some of you still hate me, I understand there really isn't much I can do to make up for what I did, and that apologies coming from me probably don't mean much to you. It's deserved.

The past week in this thread has made me run the gamut of emotions, including extreme anxiety over knowing that me posting here could end my tenure on the only forum that ever felt like home to me online. Right now, my heart is racing, and thoughts of, "You're going to end up permabanned," are at the forefront of my mind. There is a mountain of "not a good look" skeletons in my closet.

I would like to set the record straight on a couple of things. I don't know if this will give anyone any insight or closure, but I feel the need to do it.

Earlier in the thread, deadtear and FNLN brought up some events surrounding eronarn, kirtaner, and myself. I felt nothing but shame when this was brought up, but still refrained from posting and that has weighed on me heavily.

Eronarn was not the person who defaced the monument, that was me. And when it comes to that event, I hope I suffer more sleepless nights than the three goons I threw under the bus while I flew out of the country. My chance to make amends to them passed around the moment I threw them under the bus and put them through (from what has been relayed to me) a very hellish experience. These were three people who thought I was their friend, and when the moment came for me to fess up and make good, I shit on them and then made good from relative safety and basically got away with it aside from paying to replace the tile and donating like $1500 to a youth camp CCP picked.

When I arrived at Fanfest 2014, I was already pretty burned out on the game, and had unsubbed most of my accounts. I actually only went because I had already bought the ticket and paid for the flight and deposit for the airbnb. This meant the ban, which was only 6 months, not lifetime, meant very little to me, and nobody seemed to care about deadtear constantly calling me out over it. I moved on to other games still under the Imperium banner and found myself in a leadership position in WoL playing MechWarrior Online with a bunch of folks who I fully expect have a much worse opinion of me than I them, considering that I was kicked out after calling Obama the n-word. Eventually I just sorta became a jabber denizen and left jabber after getting tired of arguing with koreamax.

I was also intensely shitty to a transgender member of sigma and my heart breaks thinking about it. I unfairly lashed out at a lot of people because of my own pain and I'm sorry.

I have a lot of sleepless nights over this shit. I really wish I could make up for it, but it really feels like I can't do more than offer words. :smith:

As for the non-EVE but still bad shit...

Coming up with 420chan is, without a doubt, the biggest single regret of my life. That dominos meme of lowtax banning LF leading to Trump being elected, I feel like I, or at least 420chan, was one of the dominos. We definitely had a lot of pedophiles on the site in the early days before the invasion and hacker bullshit, and at times it felt like I was the only person who was trying to keep them away, the /pedo/ board and #pedo irc channel were very real, and I trolled both relentlessly (along with another goon who is suffering from severe mental health struggles so I'll leave his name out) until they left to start 12chan. I never reported a single one of them to the authorities though, because at the time I did not care so much about what they did so long as it was not on my website. Years later, kirt I knew what he was permabanned from here for, and even now I still do not believe that he is a pedophile, though I do think his discord is grooming children (to commit computer crime). I don't associate with him at all anymore, and at the time of this post, 420chan has been offline for about a week, hopefully never to return.

Another thing that was actually very hard for me to read about was the mention of the foursome at the anime convention. Myself, kirt, eronarn, and I think one of the other participants in the foursome, were allowed to crash in someone else's hotel room for the night. I slept on a chair with my bag on the floor next to me, with a bunch of benzos (mainly ativan), and kirt had some amphetamines of some sort (i never found out which) he'd scored along with some mdma. At some point in the night, kirt stole the benzos out of my bag and attempted to intentionally OD on the amphetamines and the benzos, as his girlfriend had just broken up with him, he'd gotten a pity fuck from another woman, and I assume wanted to die. Anyways, this led to him being not even remotely cognizant of his surroundings or what was going on, and he passed out on the bed with eronarn and the other two. I woke up a few hours later, grabbed my bag, and scooted into the washroom to have a shower because everyone else seemed to be still asleep.

Kirtaner would barely classify as conscious during all of this, the foursome was actually him being sexually assaulted by eronarn and two other men. The only thing I am willing to defend him on is this, he was an unwilling participant and Eronarn assaulted him, and I fucking saw it happen. I did nothing about it though, I didn't know kirt wasn't conscious until hours later when frantically searching for the missing benzos and then got caught up in the fact my best friend had intentionally tried to OD rather than that he'd been raped by three men.


Kirtaner was my best friend for a long time (after he was permabanned from here), and we started and ran 420chan together. We had a falling out around the time Chanology was in full swing over the way the site was being run: he wasn't moderating and was using me as a money faucet. We reconnected years later and he got me a job and I was best man at his wedding, to the woman he'd been with for 12 years. We had another falling out around the time he started doing all the "I'm the Founder of Anonymous," and vice news article shit. He's gone completely off the deep end and self-medicates with meth. On the other hand, it's very striking to me how much he and mittani act the same, not from the "tweaked out maniac" perspective, but the narcissistic sociopath perspective. Mittani is like Kirtaner if he'd grown up with rich lawyer parents instead of a poor and abusive broken home and vice versa. I think having met both in person is why I see it like that. The parallels are uncanny to me, and I can't help but really feel like I have the absolute fucking worst judgement for friends.

Fuck, that feels like a load off but I'm still shaking. Once again, I'm so fucking sorry.

(USER WAS PERMABANNED FOR THIS POST)
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To quote everyone else in the thread: Jesus Christ.


Thankfully the guy who posted about Murder was taken out of context.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: Comstar on July 18, 2022, 12:07:11 AM
And now it looks like Goonswarm is breaking all ties with Something Awful after the leadership decided they liked being that way and don't want to change. The Eve SA thread is not liking it, but the rebel's are leaving the empire or being thrown out the airlock already.,


I suspect The Mittani will be invited back shortly, should he wish tom come back.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: slog on July 18, 2022, 06:04:47 AM
Everything ends eventually.  GoonSwarm probably should have ended 3 years ago.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: schild on July 18, 2022, 07:32:47 AM
Everything ends eventually.  GoonSwarm probably should have ended 3 years ago.

Eve never should've been popular.


Title: Re: Eve Online
Post by: ajax34i on July 25, 2022, 06:45:43 AM
It's never been, by MMO standards.