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Title: It's back
Post by: Furiously on May 04, 2019, 07:57:14 PM
Someone just dumped the source code on a group.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrs_B6WRRJM&t=110s


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: ezrast on May 04, 2019, 11:05:16 PM
What's it like technically? Fully rebuilt from original source code, or is some reverse engineered? Are content and assets intact? Latest version from before shutdown or something earlier?

I'm keen but also lazy.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Furiously on May 04, 2019, 11:39:12 PM
It looks 15 years old. Still has a great character creator. I have not gotten passed deciding what to try.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Trippy on May 05, 2019, 12:05:16 AM
God I had so many characters in that game.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Zetor on May 05, 2019, 12:09:41 AM
What's it like technically? Fully rebuilt from original source code, or is some reverse engineered? Are content and assets intact? Latest version from before shutdown or something earlier?

I'm keen but also lazy.
Basically there are two versions floating around, both of them based on the original source code + server content as of the shutdown:

  • Issue 24: This is the state of the game as it was when it shut down, including the latest beta patch (Issue 24) that sat for 6+months on the beta server and was basically finished, only there was no point in moving it to live because of the shutdown. Compared to I23, it has better survivability for blasters, more powerset proliferation, travel powers at level 4 (I think that was an I24 thing?) and improvements to power pools -- like, there is a fifth power in each pool that's pretty strong.
  • Issue 25: This is a homebrew patch of the game on top of I24 by the person operating the 'super secret servers' since 2013. Many of the changes are arbitrary, but some of them are based on stuff developers said in the past (there was supposedly a closed test build of i25 in the works when the shutdown news arrived). It has a new archetype (sentinel - blaster primaries, tanker secondaries), a new zone (Kallisti Wharf), some new powersets, and a bunch of QoL features added (no more microtransactions, lot more storage for enhancements, all Mission Architect story arcs can get full rewards, ...). You can find the full change list here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/11cLJiSYlfueJheOumRywG8Evip2Mjmu_30Y6ePaetqY/edit)
Both versions come with a full server-side database + data files, so all content is as you'd remember it. The secret I25 server (that operated between 2013 and 2019) had the full character database too, but that one needed to be nuked as soon as people learned about the entire thing. This means that characters and user-provided content (Mission Architect) is not there anymore, but all dev content is as it was.

Due to the, uh, logistics of the entire situation, binary versions of I25 were distributed first, and this is what's running on the current large set of servers (Homecoming, with ~6k concurrent players). There have been some other servers popping up very recently that are based on modded I25 as well as test deployments of I24 (this took some time because the code is ARCHAIC, as in 'Visual C 2005 with legacy dependency hell' archaic). There is a very active dev community called Ouro (https://ourowiki.ouro-comdev.com/index.php?title=Main_Page) that is porting, documenting, and modernizing the code.

Apparently some people (TonyV - the manager of the Titan Network fansites from way-back-when, and Leandro - the maintainer of the super sekrit I25 server who released the code a few weeks ago to everyone else) are in talks with NCSoft to possibly get a legal solution and either a Project 99-like semi-official status, or tacit acceptance without legal threats in the future (like with SWG emus). This will probably take at least a few more weeks to shake out, one way or another.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Furiously on May 05, 2019, 11:53:55 AM
I can see how people are angry there have been 3k people playing since the servers shut down.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Teleku on May 05, 2019, 11:36:58 PM
F13 City of Hero's server?


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Rendakor on May 06, 2019, 06:27:15 AM
I would 100% be down.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 06, 2019, 09:40:27 AM
Me too.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Velorath on May 06, 2019, 12:21:11 PM
I would be down to play it for about 3-4 days before remembering what a slow, repetitive grind that game was.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: ezrast on May 06, 2019, 02:24:56 PM
Thanks for the rundown Zetor.

One of CoX's strengths was it was really good at letting you group with randoms without a lot of level/questline barriers so maybe picking a populated server to start a SG on would be better than having our own ghost town. I'm interested either way though.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: HaemishM on May 06, 2019, 02:25:52 PM
I would be down to play it for about 3-4 days before remembering what a slow, repetitive grind that game was.

If there was a way to speed up XP by about 10-fold like on a Conan Exiles server, I might be down. I gave up on the game after 15 levels because the grind was intolerably slow.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Rendakor on May 06, 2019, 02:45:43 PM
I've heard people talk about double XP servers so it seems like something that can be tweaked Haem.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 06, 2019, 06:13:21 PM
If we could somehow bring back the old regen scrapper I'd never stop playing.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: cironian on May 07, 2019, 03:25:31 AM
I've heard people talk about double XP servers so it seems like something that can be tweaked Haem.

Yeah, XP multiplier is just a line in the server config. You can set that to anything.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Rendakor on May 07, 2019, 07:51:00 AM
I made a toon on Everlasting, one of the Homecoming servers. It runs surprisingly well and everything seems to work; I made a MM and got to level 8 or so. Vyl is my IGN, I'm on redside if anyone else wants to play.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: schild on May 07, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
if there are decent admin tools (which there probably aren't) and I could kill the grind (which is probably impossible) and it was easy to run (it won't be)

sure, yeah, f13 server


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 07, 2019, 09:01:03 PM
I've got a scrapper on Everlasting too.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Trippy on May 07, 2019, 09:34:20 PM
I may have time next week to look into this.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: schild on May 08, 2019, 01:28:09 AM
I may have time next week to look into this.

I feel like forum software takes precedence lol  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Rendakor on May 08, 2019, 07:05:52 AM
City of Heroes sparks joy. Forum software does not spark joy.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: schild on May 08, 2019, 11:31:49 AM
City of Heroes sparks joy. Forum software does not spark joy.

Forum software absolutely sparks joy. City of Heroes literally didn't spark enough joy to keep the business open.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Trippy on May 08, 2019, 02:49:19 PM
Did we decide which forum software we wanted to switch to?


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: schild on May 08, 2019, 06:37:02 PM
Nyes

Hop in discord around 8-9pm your time and we can hash it out.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Teleku on May 08, 2019, 08:01:34 PM
Yeah, I'd be all down for an F13 server only if it was setup/modded so we could do 10x EXP gain and other custom stuff.

Years ago I jumped on an EQ emulated server just to fuck around for nostalgia's sake.  They had modded it so you could get buffs and equipment that super powered your character so you could solo things really easily and regen mana, letting you fly up levels really fast.  So if they could do that with EQ, you'd think it wouldn't be hard for people to do this with CoH.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: cironian on May 09, 2019, 10:30:41 AM
You can do a lot just by using GM commands to grant yourself powers already in the game. For an overpowered example, there is a cool trio of auto powers from the Incarnate intro mission. One just makes you completely invulnerable (boring), but the other two give you a massive boost to every attribute in the game and make you proc irresistable damage on every hit.

You can also grab all those interesting NPC powers in the same way, such as the special Lightning attacks all the Statesman variants have.

There's also a funny testing power called "The I Win Button" which just nukes everything on the current map.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 09, 2019, 11:14:53 AM
I've just gotten to level 11 and so far I'm not finding it a drag at all. For newbies they have something called P2W (Pay to Win) vendors that hand out free useful travel powers and awesome level 10 enhancements that buff damage, accuracy and recharge rate. It makes a huge difference to the low level grind. I wish it hadn't taken me to level 7 to find the damned thing.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Strazos on May 12, 2019, 02:11:48 AM
If we had an f13 server I'd definitely give it a whirl.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 12, 2019, 08:09:24 AM
It doesn't sound like schild has any desire to play. Is there any interest in an F13 supergroup on Everlasting? From what I've seen they're running the game like pros and there's no whining for money aside from the occasional note that Paypal can be used. Make a character now while there are tons of good names not taken yet. :grin:


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: schild on May 12, 2019, 08:42:22 AM
I'd probably play a good bit but I'd rather us upgrade the site than play a game from 2007 atm.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: cironian on May 12, 2019, 04:59:39 PM
But now we can have both superhero games and forums that both look like they are from 2007!  :grin:


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Strazos on May 13, 2019, 05:18:20 PM
I'd probably play a good bit but I'd rather us upgrade the site than play a game from 2007 atm.

If it's a money issue...how much would it cost to do both? Do we need to kick a few bucks into the f13 fundraiser?


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: schild on May 13, 2019, 10:23:44 PM
Itís not, itís a time issue. Iím not saying no, Iím just saying we need new forums. Badly.

Also, I mean it might be a money issue? I havenít looked into the coh server bullshit.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Strazos on May 14, 2019, 12:19:29 AM
Well, at least for now, I've rolled up a recreation of my original DM/SR scrapper on Everlasting.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 14, 2019, 08:17:41 AM
Get in touch with me using @Reg if you want to group up sometime.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Jimbo on May 14, 2019, 11:44:49 AM
Anyone have the link for Everlasting?


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 14, 2019, 12:17:06 PM
These are the directions I followed to get stuff going.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cityofheroes/comments/bj4tb8/how_to_login_to_coh_score_server/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Cityofheroes/comments/bj4tb8/how_to_login_to_coh_score_server/)


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: cironian on May 14, 2019, 12:28:30 PM
@Cironian , mostly hanging around on Indomitable


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: ezrast on May 15, 2019, 02:26:26 AM
@ezrast on Everlasting.

We should definitely start an SG - are y'all red or blue? I prefer the redside zones personally but most seem to stick to blue so either way is fine with me.

edit: Null the Gull in Pocket D lets you change to any alignment without going through the whole conversion quest line, so wherever we settle people can convert to Vigilante/Rogue as appropriate and group with anyone.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 15, 2019, 08:00:20 AM
I think that's a great idea. I wonder if Bat Country is taken?


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Rendakor on May 15, 2019, 08:06:13 AM
I'm on redside but if switching is easy then it's no big deal. I actually think I saw in chat that SGs aren't locked to one alignment anymore anyway.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 15, 2019, 08:30:54 AM
I just created Bat Country with bland descriptions and motto that we can easily change. I'm @Reg and I'm off to find out what the SG commands are. I tried friend requesting and inviting people to the SG but apparently we both actually have to online to do it. So let me know if you're on and want to join.

Oh by the way my main is named Reg without the @. It seems you friend someone by saying /friend character_name.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Zetor on May 15, 2019, 11:45:01 AM
I'm @Zaphir on Everlasting, hit me up! I'm currently alternating between a redside brute and a blueside corruptor.

Unfortunately I am fairly sure that if I left my SG to join Bat Country, my guildmaster would murder me. (yeah, my old MMO guild is playing an MMO again, first time since uhhhh 2012? :awesome_for_real: )


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: ezrast on May 15, 2019, 04:39:10 PM
We can also do a chat channel? "/chan_join f13" and then "/chan_members f13" to see who is on. Would let us talk across SGs/servers and make it easier to coordinate invites without blindly aiming requests at each other's globals.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Trippy on May 15, 2019, 05:08:07 PM
Is there a server that most of the Virtue expats are playing on?


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: 01101010 on May 15, 2019, 05:40:35 PM
I feel sad I never played this game.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: ezrast on May 15, 2019, 05:58:17 PM
You can fix that, you know. The more the merrier.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: JRave on May 18, 2019, 08:43:17 AM
@ezrast on Everlasting.

We should definitely start an SG - are y'all red or blue? I prefer the redside zones personally but most seem to stick to blue so either way is fine with me.

edit: Null the Gull in Pocket D lets you change to any alignment without going through the whole conversion quest line, so wherever we settle people can convert to Vigilante/Rogue as appropriate and group with anyone.

You can have any alignment in a supergroup.  I made a solo one a few days ago and used the /altinvite <name> command to bring in my alts regardless of which alignment they were.  At the time I had 2 Villains 1 Hero 1 Vig 1 Rogue and 1 Praetorian in the SG.  Some things have changed since I transfered off a couple to Indom for a more stable playing time at that point.

Oh and Prestige is disabled/removed on these servers.  Everything base related is free so if you enjoy base building you'll have free reign.  Because of the combined SG I have, I went and added every teleporter beacon for both sides. (Requires 4 teleporters, 1 for all villain, 2 for heroes, 1 for co-op)


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: ezrast on May 20, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Oh, excellent. Now if only I could manage to be on at the same time as Reg.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 21, 2019, 06:38:30 AM
What time is a good time? I must admit I got a little distracted by the new Surviving Mars terraforming DLC for the last couple of days. :)


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: ezrast on May 21, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
I'm usually on around ~8-10pm Pacific time, but no pressure, I can dink around in a solo base until whenever you get back to it.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 21, 2019, 04:35:38 PM
Bleh bad time zone. 8pm for you is 11pm for me. I'll set an alarm to remind to hop on at 11pm tonight. A blast of Surviving Mars enthusiasm never lasts longer than a 2 or 3 days. :)


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Rendakor on May 21, 2019, 07:01:32 PM
I'm generally on from 8pm to 11pm EST and I could use a SG invite. @Vyl is my global handle.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 21, 2019, 08:25:14 PM
Can you give me a character name? Nothing I do recognizes @vyl. I tried to friend you with days ago and that didn't work either.


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Rendakor on May 21, 2019, 08:48:28 PM
Sure, I'm on PsyCop now (Vyl is my other char and my global handle).


Title: Re: It's back
Post by: Reg on May 21, 2019, 08:54:51 PM
It always comes back with "Incorrect format and shows me the exact same format as I've just used. Maybe someone could talk to me or make a channel and invite me or something? Character Reg or @Reg globally I think.

edit: Okay I figured out my problem. Just send me tell as Reg when you get on. If I'm not there try Vyl he's in already and can invite others.