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Title: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on December 07, 2018, 07:32:54 AM
Trailer is up. No major spoilers, though Ant-Man plot-important as everyone guessed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA6hldpSTF8

Edit by Trippy: fixed title and video time mark



Title: Re: Avengers Endgame
Post by: Rendakor on December 07, 2018, 08:53:37 AM
I still don't see what the point of not announcing the title years ago was; there's nothing spoilery in Endgame whatsoever.


Title: Re: Avengers Endgame
Post by: HaemishM on December 07, 2018, 09:10:25 AM
Nothing particularly spoilery about that trailer either but I'm psyched.


Title: Re: Avengers Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on December 07, 2018, 09:21:00 AM
It's a pretty clever early trailer: sets the mood, gives you a glimpse, gives nothing important away.  This is a film where at least some of the pleasure is going to lie in the plot as well as in the character work, so I like that they're being thoughtful about what they show off.


Title: Re: Avengers Endgame
Post by: Threash on December 07, 2018, 09:31:10 AM
I still don't see what the point of not announcing the title years ago was; there's nothing spoilery in Endgame whatsoever.

I imagine it was simply not set in stone and if they put it out there it would be.


Title: Re: Avengers Endgame
Post by: schild on December 07, 2018, 09:32:20 AM
Avengers logo is quite literally pulling itself back together. How can I survive on such subtlety.


Title: Re: Avengers Endgame
Post by: eldaec on December 07, 2018, 09:50:58 AM
I still don't see what the point of not announcing the title years ago was; there's nothing spoilery in Endgame whatsoever.

I imagine it was simply not set in stone and if they put it out there it would be.

Nah. It's just that the reveal is a minor PR event that gives hacks something to copy/paste from a release, so holding it back till they want to start building expectation makes sense.


Title: Re: Avengers Endgame
Post by: Threash on December 07, 2018, 09:58:28 AM
I still don't see what the point of not announcing the title years ago was; there's nothing spoilery in Endgame whatsoever.

I imagine it was simply not set in stone and if they put it out there it would be.

Nah. It's just that the reveal is a minor PR event that gives hacks something to copy/paste from a release, so holding it back till they want to start building expectation makes sense.

The reveal was in the trailer, it was going to be an event regardless. Also "When I drift off I will dream about you. It is always you", words meant for Pepper but spoken directly into the Iron Man mask.


Title: Re: Avengers Endgame
Post by: Samwise on December 07, 2018, 11:49:39 AM
OMG INFINITY WAR SPOILERS  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Avengers Endgame
Post by: Teleku on December 07, 2018, 02:09:44 PM
Marvel rightly assumes you deserve nothing but contempt if you havenít seen their last major crossover movie already.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: rattran on December 07, 2018, 06:34:19 PM
I have not, but I also haven't seen Civil War.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Threash on December 07, 2018, 07:27:23 PM
Gotta admit this trailer did not get me as instantly pumped as any of the Infinity War trailers did.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Trippy on December 07, 2018, 07:43:43 PM
Don't think it was supposed to. It was a teaser and "mood setter" rather than a full-on trailer.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Trippy on March 14, 2019, 09:58:16 AM
Newest trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c

Mild spoilers in it.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Ironwood on March 14, 2019, 11:48:06 AM
Nice.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: jgsugden on April 06, 2019, 11:36:32 AM
Beware - spoilers are flying free. 


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: schild on April 06, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
Time travel is not a fucking spoiler.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Threash on April 06, 2019, 12:43:03 PM
The trailers already spelled out the entire plot anyways: Tony and Nebula get back, Avengers + Friends go fight Thanos again, they get their shit kicked in again, some time later Ant Man gets back from convenient plot device land, time travel, success!.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: eldaec on April 08, 2019, 09:05:47 AM
I really hope that trailer is doing a disservice to black widow.

Because it looks an awful lot like the main point of black widow is to provide a love interest for whoever needs one. For like, the third film out of four.

Also, do we know if that is MCU Kate Bishop learning to pew pew with the arrows?


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Threash on April 08, 2019, 09:40:13 AM
I did not get "love interest" at all from that trailer.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Ard on April 10, 2019, 08:42:07 PM
Also, do we know if that is MCU Kate Bishop learning to pew pew with the arrows?

I assumed that was one of his kids


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: jgsugden on April 11, 2019, 09:21:01 AM
Disney Plus announced a Kate Bishop focused series that will have Renner in it (at least a bit) this week, so it could be his kid, or it could be Bishop.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 11, 2019, 01:16:39 PM
Disney Plus announced a Kate Bishop focused series that will have Renner in it (at least a bit) this week, so it could be his kid, or it could be Bishop.

This and the Mandalorian are the only things even making me semi-tempted about Disney+ but it's just not enough for me to pay for yet another service.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Threash on April 11, 2019, 01:28:01 PM
The Loki series was the biggest draw for me.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: jgsugden on April 11, 2019, 03:23:01 PM
Disney Plus announced a Kate Bishop focused series that will have Renner in it (at least a bit) this week, so it could be his kid, or it could be Bishop.

This and the Mandalorian are the only things even making me semi-tempted about Disney+ but it's just not enough for me to pay for yet another service.
Update: The price is set to be beneath Netflix ($6.99 a month or a year for $69.99, but maybe cheaper as part of a bundle with Hulu and ESPN+)  


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Raguel on April 11, 2019, 05:52:13 PM
Kyle's asking the real important questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG2esWiRe0s


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Setanta on April 24, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
Took the kids to see the movie this morning. Well worth it!


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Velorath on April 24, 2019, 08:51:32 PM
It's a long movie (and feels it) but at least there are no credit sequences in this one to stick around for (although the credits sequence for the main cast is worth watching at least).


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Trippy on April 25, 2019, 12:27:44 AM
There's supposedly some sort of audio-only teaser or something at the the very end.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: schild on April 25, 2019, 12:41:06 AM
yeah robert downey jr saying "i don't feel so good, mr. tom holland"

i have not seen the movie


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Velorath on April 25, 2019, 01:38:05 AM
There's supposedly some sort of audio-only teaser or something at the the very end.


I'm fairly sure it's not teasing anything (it's not dialogue).



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Velorath on April 25, 2019, 04:38:49 PM
Also I just realized that one character/actor makes an appearance who was strictly a Marvel TV character before. This may be the first time any of the movies have specifically referenced anything from the TV side. Won't even put it in spoilers until after the movie is out for a bit not that it's a big deal.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Cadaverine on April 25, 2019, 08:26:56 PM
(https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/FNvqiTWY5Iia3uPdecGh5hbMm4s/160x160/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-:sharpen-!1,0,true!-/2017/10/18/754/n/1922283/7423a1b5941a82e6_26/i/When-Beetlejuice-Nails-Barbara-Mouth-Shut-Still-Couldnt-Mute-My-Screams.gif)

A lot of things I expected, and quite a few I didn't, as well.  Overall a really solid way to wrap up the first batch of films.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Abagadro on April 26, 2019, 03:03:18 AM
They could have screwed that up a lot of different ways and pulled it off.  Will have much more to say later. Also, yay I have a character I can cos-play now.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: jgsugden on April 26, 2019, 04:07:43 AM
I'm very happy with almost everything.  A great 10 years wrapped up strong.

There were a lot of payoffs from pretty much every movie we've seen to date (with the exception of the Norton Hulk and the first Thor, I can think of something significant in the story that was a payoff fro something set up in all of the earlier films).

I have some really big questions about some ramifications of this movie - it makes me think that the next Spider-man film may be more of a prologue to the first phase than I initially realized.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Malakili on April 26, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
Movie exceeded my expectations. I was not a big fan of Infinity War though. It was as good a follow up to that movie as they could have made.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Shannow on April 26, 2019, 07:16:06 PM
This is how to execute a damn good piece of fan service blockbuster entertainment. (pay attention Star Wars ppl)



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: jgsugden on April 26, 2019, 09:16:32 PM
It is a phenomenal film.  I have some lingering questions.



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Velorath on April 26, 2019, 11:15:24 PM



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Setanta on April 27, 2019, 12:28:13 AM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Surlyboi on April 27, 2019, 01:06:30 AM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Velorath on April 27, 2019, 04:04:26 AM

This page is going to be almost all spoilers.



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: NowhereMan on April 27, 2019, 06:48:40 AM
I really want to see this IMAX 3D but was slow about booking tickets and every fucking showing that isn't at midnight is sold out (and only crappy seats left for those ones). I need to make a choice between watching it in regular or avoiding the internet for the next week  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 27, 2019, 11:36:22 AM
The Marvel people have made a big deal about Captain Marvel being the most powerful superhero to date but



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Threash on April 27, 2019, 12:06:16 PM
The Marvel people have made a big deal about Captain Marvel being the most powerful superhero to date but




Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: eldaec on April 27, 2019, 01:49:38 PM
I would assume that from the perspective of a random Disney pr flack, (a) characters that are not main characters with their own franchise do not exist and (b) saying whatever to raise interest in the film they are talking about is literally their job.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Brolan on April 27, 2019, 08:13:54 PM
I was expecting


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 27, 2019, 08:14:58 PM
Saw the late showing of this last night.

It had a lot of good moments as people say, but I guess I'll break with trend and say I liked Infinity War better.  The plot choices were rather mixed.



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 27, 2019, 08:18:12 PM
I was expecting



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Brolan on April 27, 2019, 08:36:39 PM
I will confess to having a nerdgasm


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Velorath on April 27, 2019, 09:09:42 PM
I was expecting



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: pxib on April 27, 2019, 10:45:34 PM
Saw the late showing of this last night.

It had a lot of good moments as people say, but I guess I'll break with trend and say I liked Infinity War better.  The plot choices were rather mixed.



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 28, 2019, 12:23:59 AM
Saw the late showing of this last night.

It had a lot of good moments as people say, but I guess I'll break with trend and say I liked Infinity War better.  The plot choices were rather mixed.




Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: IainC on April 28, 2019, 01:54:30 AM




Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 28, 2019, 03:38:27 AM
And lets be real here.  This version is going to act just like the old version as though they didn't miss anything, except maybe for a few one liner jokes to throw in.  So there is no difference.

Same thing with:


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Velorath on April 28, 2019, 05:09:37 AM
Kinda disagree there.



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: eldaec on April 28, 2019, 06:05:12 AM
I haven't seen this but have been informed there is no end-credits scene. This seems like information people itt can either confirm or benefit from.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 28, 2019, 08:58:24 AM
Pretty sure that was stated earlier in the thread (unless I'm crossing Discord with the forums).

Also, I propose as soon as this thread hits page three, the title gets changed to add SPOILERS START ON PAGE THREE and we stop having every single post hidden behind spoilers.
Kinda disagree there.




Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: HaemishM on April 28, 2019, 01:20:36 PM
Outside of spoilers, I will say I loved this movie. I felt it had a lot more emotional weight and character moments than IW, mainly because it had a smaller cast and could focus on each one more. This is undoubtedly Captain America's movie though.



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Abagadro on April 28, 2019, 01:26:57 PM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Raguel on April 28, 2019, 01:54:10 PM
Outside of spoilers, I will say I loved this movie. I felt it had a lot more emotional weight and character moments than IW, mainly because it had a smaller cast and could focus on each one more. This is undoubtedly Captain America's movie though.
yeah I really liked this film but like IW I feel like I need to watch it again because a lot went down towards the end and I feel like i missed a lot of it.

I kinda think this was more of a Thor movie; I see some complaints about the story choices they made but I think he had the best arc.

Also I'm sort of disappointed with some of their story choices. Most of them don't affect the story at large and  I can understand why they would do it but it still bugged me.
I'll talk about those when it's safe to not use spoiler tags.
Also  this can be thought of as a spoiler but there's a scene in the movie that reminded me of this (start at :40):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kxvxw1-MgA


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Malakili on April 28, 2019, 02:24:49 PM
Saw the late showing of this last night.

It had a lot of good moments as people say, but I guess I'll break with trend and say I liked Infinity War better.  The plot choices were rather mixed.


This seemed pretty clear to me in the theater.



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Ironwood on April 28, 2019, 02:46:35 PM
I found that strangely disappointing.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Samwise on April 28, 2019, 05:06:30 PM
Gonna throw out a theory about the end of the movie that makes it make more sense in my head:



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on April 28, 2019, 05:26:09 PM
I enjoyed it a lot.

I can nitpick the

More potently, what everyone is saying about the entire resolution. This has GOT to be dealt with head-on and it can't be wished away lightly in the next "phase": T


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Velorath on April 28, 2019, 05:59:00 PM
I enjoyed it a lot.

I can nitpick the

More potently, what everyone is saying about the entire resolution. This has GOT to be dealt with head-on and it can't be wished away lightly in the next "phase": T




Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on April 28, 2019, 07:03:08 PM
Also: Captain Marvel has been out "there" for 20 years. How come she let Thanos go on his merry way killing shit all that time? How come he doesn't know and fear her?

 


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 28, 2019, 08:58:25 PM



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Cyrrex on April 29, 2019, 02:22:15 AM
I liked it a lot my quibbles are different than your quibbles:



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 29, 2019, 02:46:19 AM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: IainC on April 29, 2019, 03:11:46 AM
I didn't like Banner/Hulk at all in this movie. The CGI for it looked plain bad compared to pretty much everything else and he basically turned into a less interesting version of Beast.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 29, 2019, 03:41:11 AM
Yeah, it takes a lot of the fun away from the character.  Him jumping between Bruce and Hulk and trying to force the changes leads to fun moments.

Also, I just realized they casually invented a machine that can give you immortality during the Ant-Man/Banners failed test sequence.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on April 29, 2019, 08:05:25 AM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Cyrrex on April 29, 2019, 09:12:41 AM
You are right Teleku, Hulk invented a fountain of youth.

And for Khaldun: 


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on April 29, 2019, 09:41:55 AM



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: jgsugden on April 29, 2019, 11:56:16 AM
I'm wonderig if they'll release an extended version of this film that addresses some of the lingering questions.



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: HaemishM on April 29, 2019, 12:06:42 PM
You nerds really should stop trying to work out the time travel nonsense. They literally told you it was all bullshit and just go with it.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: pxib on April 29, 2019, 05:44:53 PM
So, in summary, they kill Thanos in the first 15 minutes and then Thor gets fat and plays Fortnite and Captain America goes back in time and joins Hydra.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Threash on April 29, 2019, 08:04:33 PM
I hope they make a fat Thor action figure. Is there a fat Thor action figure?


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: MahrinSkel on April 29, 2019, 08:30:07 PM
I hope they make a fat Thor action figure. Is there a fat Thor action figure?
Apparently not, although searching for it let me find out people are butthurt that his getting fat was played for laughs.

As Comic Book Guy's stunt double, I'm just happy to finally see a superhero that looks like me.

--Dave


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on April 29, 2019, 08:57:25 PM
I was having the same experience--I was like OH MAN I CAN COSPLAY HIM and then I'm seeing all these nerds who are like "Please sign my petition to have the Russo Brothers killed because they pretended to be gay and they made Thor fat".


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Bunk on April 29, 2019, 09:00:19 PM




Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on April 29, 2019, 09:05:10 PM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Bunk on April 29, 2019, 10:19:02 PM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 29, 2019, 10:51:53 PM

Also, when will we officially declare it safe to not use the spoiler tag.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 29, 2019, 11:21:28 PM



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on April 30, 2019, 06:21:02 AM



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 30, 2019, 07:47:58 AM





Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on April 30, 2019, 07:59:14 AM

Maybe this will be the premise of the What If animated series that's going to be on Disney +.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Cyrrex on April 30, 2019, 10:35:51 AM
I understood it the way Riggswolfe did.


Also, spoilering is stupid at this point.  Only retards are coming in this thread now if they have not seen it.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 30, 2019, 10:52:44 AM
Agreed.  But Iíll keep doing it until a mod says its ok just so I donít anger somebody.   :why_so_serious:



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on April 30, 2019, 11:17:54 AM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 30, 2019, 05:06:07 PM
I may have misunderstood TAO but



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: NowhereMan on April 30, 2019, 06:26:50 PM
Well I have now seen it and:



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Threash on April 30, 2019, 06:46:56 PM
Well I have now seen it and:




Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on April 30, 2019, 09:09:23 PM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: SurfD on May 01, 2019, 01:39:27 AM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on May 01, 2019, 02:47:13 AM
Yeah, I had the same thoughts right when they said he was doing it, but that I just wrote off as something not worth thinking about.  I mean yes, it is a plot hole, but compared to some of the others in the movie I have a hard time caring about them hand waving all that away.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Velorath on May 01, 2019, 04:54:26 AM



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on May 01, 2019, 07:16:55 AM
True enough, but Ego wouldn't have found Peter Quill without the Guardians forming, I think; without Peter, he doesn't take over the universe.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: SurfD on May 01, 2019, 08:55:11 AM
True enough, but Ego wouldn't have found Peter Quill without the Guardians forming, I think; without Peter, he doesn't take over the universe.
I don't know.  The only reason Ego never got his hands on Quill was because Yondu got cold feet about handing a kid over to the guy 20 odd years ago.  There is a good chance that at some point down the road Yondu eventually just hands him to Ego for one reason or another.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on May 01, 2019, 09:43:17 AM
That would pretty much contradict everything GotG2 spent the entire movie hammering us with about Yondu's character.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on May 01, 2019, 09:55:40 AM


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on May 01, 2019, 10:35:31 AM

So ok, interesting.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Threash on May 01, 2019, 10:39:12 AM

So ok, interesting.



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on May 01, 2019, 11:05:15 AM
UNHIDDEN SPOILERS START ON THIS PAGE!!!!


So ok, interesting.
Ok, so they basically said it was the scenario I said was the only way that whole thing would work based on the rules they set.  I can sleep now.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: NowhereMan on May 01, 2019, 11:34:42 AM

I am 95% sure Zack Snyder's End Game would have featured Captain America sacrificing 90% of earth's heroes to defeat Thanos and at least half the movie would have been devoted to exploring time travel butterfly effect problems. This movie was fun, that one would have sucked balls.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Velorath on May 01, 2019, 11:48:44 AM

So ok, interesting.



Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Mandella on May 01, 2019, 08:41:27 PM
Gonna throw out a theory about the end of the movie that makes it make more sense in my head:


I like that. I may make that my head-canon until handled differently by future shows.

But by an means awesome movie, and what a great send off for the "series!" Just the right amount of meta fan service, pathos, humor, you name it. I didn't feel there was a slow spot in the entire three hours (something I cannot say for Captain Marvel which I just got around to seeing last week).

Just all around great. The Russo brothers are superhero action movie gods.

/nerdgasm


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on May 01, 2019, 09:21:15 PM
Ok, I pinged Schild and he gave the green light to start chatting without spoilers.  Maybe a mod can edit the main title, I edited my post at the top of this page.  The first few pages should give anybody who just wants to see our reaction to it enough info.



They need to make a a short just like the end of Deadpool 2 where he runs around 'fixing' the timeline.  Except with Captain America in his alternate timeline, jumping out of nowhere and stopping all the major bad guys and plots before they can happen over the course of 60 years.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Raguel on May 02, 2019, 03:17:10 AM
Story choices I didn't like:

1. Thanos the main bad guy: I felt like his story ended in IW; sure caught off his head, no big deal. Wish there was something or someone else for the rest of the movie but oh well.

2. Steve hooking up with Peggy: not a fan, wish it was someone else, or at least not reveal who it was.


kinda late so I can't remember the others. so I'll add more after I get some sleep.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame - Spoilers Away! Read at your own risk.
Post by: Khaldun on May 02, 2019, 10:13:38 AM
It would actually have been pretty interesting not to have the last act be against Thanos, but as far as giant CGI-fest mega-battles go, that one was pretty fair. I liked the sequencing of it from the more intimate battle of the Big Three against Thanos alone, getting down to Cap with Mjolnir, getting down to Cap struggling to get to his feet, then moving to the huge-scale battle. I think it's pretty much the LAST time one of their films should end like that, though--that was the ne plus ultra version, now they need something else.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame - Spoilers Away! Read at your own risk.
Post by: Teleku on May 02, 2019, 10:23:54 AM
Well, that was the glory of the whole thing.  They literally took 10 years worth of movies in a shared universe (of which they've been releasing multiple movies a year that take place in it), and crammed every single character played by every single original actor they could get away with into that last battle.  It was over the top and, from a production standpoint, the cost and logistics had to be insane.  We'll probably never get another moment/scene like that for decades.  Or at least something so mainstream and costly (I'm sure china could shit out 50 $5 budget superhero movies then bring them all in or something).  Even for my criticisms of the movie (again, I liked it overall), can't ignore the cultural relevance of the moment.  Nothing like it has ever been done, and can't imagine when we'll get it again.

Funny, its pretty amazing this opened the same weekend that Game of Thrones had its big battle to decide the fate of the plot.  Still a few more episodes to go obviously, but the top two mass-character filled cultural phenomenons of the last decade are both closing out at the same time.  I know Marvel is going to keep going, but I have a feeling they are going to have to back away from the grand shared vision that made up the last decade of films, and go for more localized stories (which isn't a bad thing).  It's the end of their grand story, just as this is the end of Game of Thrones.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame - Spoilers Away! Read at your own risk.
Post by: jgsugden on May 02, 2019, 06:05:57 PM
I bet that will get another grand story being told over the next 10 to 15 years, but that grand story will be something that has a lot of groundwork laid slowly and quietly in the background of these films. They probably already started with Captain Marvel. Up next camo the mutants and Fantastic 4 are going to have to be incorporated into this universe. I'll be cutting et is whether they can cv one up with something better than 2 universes colliding.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 02, 2019, 09:15:17 PM
Fantastic Four I can easily see them launching off of this start point.

X-Men/mutants are way harder, because if they're in the present of these characters, they have to be at least teenagers, which means they were born sometime after Captain Marvel and have been heretofore secret. The Eternals might be a way to introduce them.


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Post by: lamaros on May 03, 2019, 06:36:28 PM
You nerds really should stop trying to work out the time travel nonsense. They literally told you it was all bullshit and just go with it.

Haha exactly. It's the same as with "power levels" some of you all get so hung up on. It's whatever it needs to be to make the movie work. It's a superhero movie.

I thought the movie was about as good as it could have been given the situation.

Egotistical fan-service, sure, but funny, over the top and with some good scenes.

I enjoyed it a lot.


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Post by: HaemishM on May 03, 2019, 11:38:09 PM
The power level discussions always amuse me, because the first rule of superhero stories is 1) the hero always wins eventually, though he may lose something along the way or have someone close to him die in order to make it happen, and 2) if it looks/sounds/is drawn cool, fuck it, go with it.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 04, 2019, 08:45:58 AM
Mostly I agree.

I get constantly annoyed when new writers are assigned to Dr. Strange, because almost all of them decide that the only way to handle the character is to depower him and then build him back up with some new bullshit idea about magic--you have to sacrifice to use magic, magic is drawn from the natural world rather than spells, magic is about devices and enchantments, blah blah. The idea is somehow that Strange being able to do anything makes him impossible to write, because his powers fluctuate so much. This is utter rubbish, and an excuse of lesser writers. Strange's best stories in his history have not needed to put these kinds of constraints on him. Simply this:

a) he's not omniscient, and his powers rely on knowledge. Hit him with something he hasn't seen before.
b) he's got limited powers over the material world. (that's there from the beginning). Hit him with something that is material or brutish, esp. bad guys with complicated powersets like the Absorbing Man
c) some of his bad guys are in his league--they control their own dimensions, they can come at him from places he can't even see; Strange is someone who *defends* his reality, and being on defense is always a vulnerable position
d) he's a middle-aged guy who is still struggling with arrogance and confidence--hit him in his personality
e) he can only be in so many places; his enemies are sometimes literally legion and can come from all over
f) he's secretive by nature and a lot of his possible allies are wary of him
g) there's an infinite number of macguffins you can throw into his stories--wands of watoomb, darkholds, you name it--to power up an ordinary bad guy

The solution to writing the character is not to give him a neat set of constrained powers fit for a role-playing game or something like that.


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Post by: Riggswolfe on May 06, 2019, 08:59:21 AM
Multiverse confirmed. The new Spiderman Far From Home trailer literally uses the word and it looks like it's going to be a plot point of the movie.


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Post by: Threash on May 06, 2019, 11:37:30 AM
Or its all bullshit from Mysterio.


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Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 07, 2019, 10:44:41 PM
Or its all bullshit from Mysterio.

I thought that at first too but it's Fury that says the snap opened rifts in our dimension. Fury isn't the type to just believe some random dude about that.


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Post by: jgsugden on May 08, 2019, 08:10:45 AM
Or its all bullshit from Mysterio.

I thought that at first too but it's Fury that says the snap opened rifts in our dimension. Fury isn't the type to just believe some random dude about that.
Mysterio's gimmick is to make people believe.  He could be making Fury believe, or making people believe he is Fury, etc...

When the villain is deceptive, there are a lot of ways to go.


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Post by: Raguel on May 08, 2019, 07:27:34 PM
Saw this again yesterday. Like IW I liked it more on the second viewing. I forgot the third choice that I disliked though: Steve giving the shield (and thus the name CA?) to someone else. Not a fan, but I think they handled that scene very well. I thought Bucky's behavior was a bit odd, but on the second viewing it's pretty obvious Bucky was in on what Steve was planning on doing. At one point Bucky says "I'm going to miss you" and Steve replies "it's going to be ok". I guess in the MCU the serum doesn't provide any slow aging process so Steve surviving to 2023 was an iffy proposition.


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Post by: Trippy on May 10, 2019, 12:51:23 AM
another thing someone pointed out regarding the stones:  Captain America must have had one hell of an adventure "returning" the stones to where they belong, considering that when they sent him back in time to return them, he literally only had the 5 "gems" in a Briefcase.   Important part being that he had the GEMS, not the original "forms" of the stones.

I mean, he isn't going to have much problem returning the Time Stone, he can just hand that back to TAO.  Not sure about the Soul stone.  Does he just hand it over to the specter of the red Skull? (that could be a very interesting conversation).  And the Power Stone shouldn't be too hard, provided they kept the shield orb thingie and sent it along in the briefcase.  

But what about some of the other stones?

How does he get the Mind Stone Back into Loki's scepter when the scepter itself is completely gone from that timeline? Pretty sure it wouldn't fit in that briefcase they sent him off with, even if it survived whatever process was required to extract the stone from it when they brought it back to their timeline.

But what the hell does he do with the Space stone? Someone is going to notice if the Tesseract suddenly turns into a completely different shaped gemstone.

Does he just grind up the reality stone, sneak into Asgard and re-inject it into Jane?
Maybe. He had Mjolnir with him. Despite it being "against the rules" he presumably could've enlisted the help of Thor / Asgard to put things back in their proper forms and place before returning Mjolnir to the appropriate timeline.


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Post by: Velorath on May 10, 2019, 01:41:27 AM
Pretty sure TAO, especially with the Time Stone back could either revert the other stones to the previous forms or otherwise get them into reasonable facsimiles of their containers.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 10, 2019, 07:30:20 AM
I'm sort of assuming that the stone 'merges' with its current form when it's brought back; I would think you'd bring it back to the moment it left (which I suppose means if they really wanted to be clever, they could have planted the easter egg of a disguised steve rogers being just barely in frame in the distance in the scenes where the stones are stolen. A bit difficult in the case of the Ancient One/Hulk scene, though.)

The Soul Stone does seem to me to be the difficult one--it isn't anywhere until it is, otherwise I assume Thanos would just have ripped it from whatever vault or pocket dimension etc. that it was in once he got to Vormir. So I'm not sure what Cap does to return it. Though this also raises the interesting question: what made the Skull become the 'herald' of the Soul Stone? The Stone itself? Some other unnamed force?


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Post by: SurfD on May 11, 2019, 03:32:58 AM
Another rather interesting angle that I hope to see them play up at least a little in some of the upcoming phase 4 movies:   The rest of the Universe

I mean, think about it.  We know that Rocket was able to determine with minimal effort that Earth was the epicenter of a massive energy surge of unprecedented scale when Thanos did the first Snap, and similarly track Thanos down to the Garden due to the Snap he used to destroy the Stones.  Which means that if Rocket can do it, pretty much every sentient race in all of creation within sensor range is going to know that Earth was at the epicenter of TWO fucking massive energy surges that coincided with some pretty epic shit going down.   I can forsee that focusing a shitload of attention in Earth's direction as the rest of the Universe tries to figure out what the fuck happened as well as if they need to be concerned about it happening a third time.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 11, 2019, 06:39:22 AM
Yeah.

This is always one of the inconsistent things in comic-book universes--Skrulls and Kree and Psions and New Gods and so on treating Earth like a primitive backwater planet of no account until they suddenly recognize that Earth is the absolute center of the universe when it comes to cosmically important events and super-powerful beings and then they're scared; but periodically they revert to the "primitive backwater planet" because it's sort of the default setting of pulp culture of all kinds.

Might make for an interesting riff on Galactus if and when they do him--that his finding Earth isn't an accident but something that various aliens who are scared by Earth's potential put him up to.

On the flip side of this, the Earth of the MCU is now utterly aware that it is in a universe teeming with alien life, so it isn't just the Snapture that they're going to have to recover from or adapt to. This might be the hook that starts off the Fantastic Four: Reed Richards is desperate to test an experimental superliminal vessel because the governments of Earth feel a major need to get "out there" and to defend the planet from future alien invasions.


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Post by: Threash on May 11, 2019, 08:25:15 AM
Which means that if Rocket can do it, pretty much every sentient race in all of creation within sensor range is going to know that Earth was at the epicenter of TWO fucking massive energy surges that coincided with some pretty epic shit going down. 

Three. One from IW and two from Endgame.


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Post by: HaemishM on May 11, 2019, 11:56:45 AM
For the last 5-10 years in the comics, that's been a recurring theme. A bunch of alien races have essentially gotten together and targeted the Earth because all sorts of bad shit seems to keep coming from there. The Phoenix Force keeps coming back there, they keep "breaking time," Ultron has left Earth and infected the planet, etc. Peter Quill's comic father (ruler of a multi-planet galactic empire) tries to lead a coalition to destroy it, and at one point, the races even quarantine the Earth. Races like Skrull, Badoon, Chitauri, Sh'iar, Kree, all recognize that the Earth is some bad mojo.

And yes, I'm guessing long-term, the idea is to bring Galactus and the Fantastic Four into the MCU.


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Post by: Trippy on May 11, 2019, 03:15:43 PM
The Soul Stone does seem to me to be the difficult one--it isn't anywhere until it is, otherwise I assume Thanos would just have ripped it from whatever vault or pocket dimension etc. that it was in once he got to Vormir. So I'm not sure what Cap does to return it. Though this also raises the interesting question: what made the Skull become the 'herald' of the Soul Stone? The Stone itself? Some other unnamed force?
According to the writers in a podcast interview (https://geektyrant.com/news/avengers-endgame-directors-explain-how-one-returns-the-soul-stone-on-vormir) you just literally give it back though you won't get a soul back in return. However the writers and the directors don't necessarily agree on how all this stuff works so I wouldn't necessarily consider that canon. For example the writers and director(s) disagree on who the father of Peggy Carter's children is in the main timeline/universe. The writers say it's a possibility it's Steve Rogers (https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a27440678/avengers-endgame-screenwriters-fan-theory-peggy-carter-children/) while according to the Russos those children are in an alternate timeline (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-endgame-directors-explain-captain-america-ending-scene-1207742).

As for how the Red Skull became the keeper of the Soul Stone the details are still a mystery but according the Marvel Studios Visual Dictionary the Red Skull discovered a copy of the Book of Yggdrasil and learns of the Infinity Stones and presumably how they work (or as much as the Asgardians knew at that time) from there. I don't have a copy of that dictionary so I don't know if it's explained in there but presumably the Stones become an obsession to him like the One Ring and its wielders and his mystical journey after being "banished" by the Tesseract/Space Stone to find his stones led him to Vormir (http://collider.com/infinity-war-soul-stone-red-skull-explained/).


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Post by: jgsugden on May 14, 2019, 04:55:47 PM
Some interesting tidbits on the evolution of the Endgame - there was no definitive outline for IW and ENdgame when the Russo brothers took over.  They had a lot of freedom.  It was known that Thanos would snap at the end of IW, but they had no idea how to have the Avengers turn loss into victory in Endgame at the time.  They had 60 pages of alternative ideas, including Nova (Richard Ryder) becoming a Herald of some sort, House of M, etc... to resolve the story after the finished Civil War.  They eliminated Time Travel as an option because they thought it too convenient, but once they decided to kill Thanos early in the film and eliminate the stones, it was the best way to give them a path forward and it came back on the table.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/avengers-endgame-writers-talk-nova-thanos-time-travel (https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/avengers-endgame-writers-talk-nova-thanos-time-travel)

To me, that just means they did an amazingly gret job of mining the entire Marvel series to pick up threads to weave int their resolution. 


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Post by: Ironwood on May 15, 2019, 08:32:40 AM
 :uhrr:


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Post by: Cyrrex on May 15, 2019, 10:42:12 AM
I watched Ant Man and the Wasp yesterday for the first time, and a thought ocurred to me.  It is not that IW and Endgame where so amazingly executed.  It is that the whole fucking series, minus a few hiccups, has been outstanding.  I am talking about all of the Marvel films.  Sure, fatigue is a thing, but these have been absolutely top quality productions.  Even stupid shit like IM3.

The visuals are unbelievable as well.  Notably, the Guardian movies are some of the prettiest things ever put to film.  And the CGI is incredible.  They even manage the young versions of people like Fishburne, Pfeiffer and Douglas were almost perfect, and I am not fooled easily by that stuff.

So.  Endgame was great because of the grand, epic scale and because of the emotional weight of it all.  But I do not think it was necessarily superior in general to the rest of the Marvel stuff.


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Post by: HaemishM on May 15, 2019, 11:12:02 AM
Both Endgame and IW are amazing because of the difficulty involved in doing all the things they did in a coherent (mostly) narrative with as many actors and characters as they did. It should get a lot of credit just on degree of difficulty. Taken as a separate narrative, it might lose a bit of its cred, but it can't really be disentangled from the entirety of the MCU movies. Everything that the LotR trilogy was in terms of execution and degree of difficulty, the Marvel people took as a baseline and then ramped it all up exponentially.


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Post by: Cyrrex on May 15, 2019, 11:14:09 AM
Yeah, that works for me.  My point is simply that it has basically ALL been good.  And Endgame wrapped it up in a very satisfactory fashion, which is increasingly rare.  See also: GoT


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Post by: NowhereMan on May 15, 2019, 11:22:48 AM
Marvel definitely need to consider hiring the writing staff from Endgame and IW to handle their cross over events. This was infinitely better handled than I think any of the cross overs that they've done.


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Post by: lamaros on May 16, 2019, 07:30:28 PM
I watched Ant Man and the Wasp yesterday for the first time, and a thought ocurred to me.  It is not that IW and Endgame where so amazingly executed.  It is that the whole fucking series, minus a few hiccups, has been outstanding.  I am talking about all of the Marvel films.  Sure, fatigue is a thing, but these have been absolutely top quality productions.  Even stupid shit like IM3.

The visuals are unbelievable as well.  Notably, the Guardian movies are some of the prettiest things ever put to film.  And the CGI is incredible.  They even manage the young versions of people like Fishburne, Pfeiffer and Douglas were almost perfect, and I am not fooled easily by that stuff.

So.  Endgame was great because of the grand, epic scale and because of the emotional weight of it all.  But I do not think it was necessarily superior in general to the rest of the Marvel stuff.


I liked IW a lot and Endgame a fair bit. I also like GotG (+2) and Ragnarock and IM1.

I cbf with most of the other movies and haven't even watched a few of them. I disagree they've all been good. I don't think the MCU part of IW and Endgame being good as you make out. I think they're just decent movies with easter eggs for the nerds.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 16, 2019, 08:15:15 PM
I think the level of general competence is very, very high, though. It's not just Feige--the casting, the editing, the professionalism of the whole operation. But Feige is a huge part of it--they started with a guy who was both a competent producer and who really got the source material. Nobody else has come to this body of intellectual property with those two attributes.


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Post by: Riggswolfe on May 16, 2019, 08:28:10 PM
My two biggest issues with the Marvel movies are the colors and the music. They usually look somewhat boring color scheme wise. They're not DCU "everything is more or less gray" but they're...flat. Except the Guardians movies. Those look like proper comic book movies. Also, most of them have very generic and boring music with the exception of Guardians and the Avengers films.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 16, 2019, 09:49:29 PM
The scores have been really generic, yeah. Even the Avengers movies have been pretty meh in that respect.


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Post by: Father mike on May 17, 2019, 10:43:04 AM
There's a reason for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=71&v=7vfqkvwW2fs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=71&v=7vfqkvwW2fs)


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Post by: Riggswolfe on May 17, 2019, 01:24:47 PM
There's a reason for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=71&v=7vfqkvwW2fs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=71&v=7vfqkvwW2fs)

Have you watched any of the reaction videos to that? Some of them have interesting points about some of what he says there.


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Post by: Father mike on May 17, 2019, 07:47:15 PM
I really liked Dan Golding's response video.  His points about Zimmer and computerization were really good.  I linked the one I did because I liked the interviews with Danny Elfman and his point that directors are asking for music that sets a mood but isn't noticed.  But I guess that could be laid at the feet of 20 years of Zimmer scores ...

Didn't mean to derail the thread. Just thought it was an interesting note.


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Post by: WayAbvPar on May 18, 2019, 10:19:57 AM
They could have screwed that up a lot of different ways and pulled it off.  Will have much more to say later. Also, yay I have a character I can cos-play now.

My daughter was quite happy to point out that Thor looked like me  :roffle:


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Post by: Threash on May 18, 2019, 01:39:26 PM
I'd have an easier time getting Cap's body than Thor's beard sadly.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 18, 2019, 07:00:42 PM
Wait, sadly? America's ass beats ZZ Top's beard, dude.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 18, 2019, 07:08:10 PM
There's a reason for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=71&v=7vfqkvwW2fs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=71&v=7vfqkvwW2fs)

That's a fantastic video. Incredibly explanatory and smart and interesting.


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Post by: Ironwood on May 19, 2019, 05:06:53 PM
Yeah, except it starts from a premise of unfairness and, to my mind, an incorrect one.

To wit, I could hum 3 of the Marvel tunes easily (Avengers, Iron Man and Cap) and I think the idea of comparing it to the fucking Star Wars theme (Hear at least once every year for the past 3-4 decades) to be a little bit of a wanky point.

But hey ho, it's not wrong when it actually says what it attempts to say.


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Post by: Threash on May 19, 2019, 05:41:39 PM
Not even the new Star Wars movies have managed to come up with something that competes with their old soundtrack, and it's the same guy.


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Post by: pxib on May 19, 2019, 05:51:04 PM
Duel of the Fates was pretty great.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 19, 2019, 10:23:32 PM
Rey's Theme in the new ones is pretty memorable. I know it when I hear it.

For the MCU movies, the only thing I know when I hear it is the baseline Avengers theme. The rest of it is forgettable--it takes me a while to remember whether I'm hearing something from another movie or what.


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Post by: Cyrrex on May 20, 2019, 12:32:49 AM
Duel of the Fates was fantastic, and actually much of the score of the prequels was outstanding.

The new trilogy?  Absolutely nothing that sticks out to me.  I don't even know what Rey's Theme is.


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Post by: Velorath on May 20, 2019, 12:50:22 AM
I couldn't pick Rey's Theme out of a lineup. I couldn't have even told you that she had a theme.


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Post by: Abagadro on May 20, 2019, 01:23:15 AM
A bit unfair to compare shit to one the top 10 greatest scores of the last half century (by a guy who has 4 of the other 9).


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Post by: Cyrrex on May 20, 2019, 01:52:35 AM
That's true for two reasons at least....one, because it is an unfair comparison.  Two, not all movies need a memorable score.  I expect (daresay require) it in a SW movie.  In an avengers movie it just needs to hold shit together.  I have no idea why this is so.


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Post by: Velorath on May 20, 2019, 02:20:32 AM
A bit unfair to compare shit to one the top 10 greatest scores of the last half century (by a guy who has 4 of the other 9).

Williams has indeed done a lot of great work although I think Morricone is still the high water mark.


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Post by: Threash on May 20, 2019, 07:40:10 AM
Duel of the Fates was pretty great.

Those are not the new Star Wars movies :)


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Post by: Hoax on May 20, 2019, 06:25:23 PM
I feel terrible for anyone who didn't see that in imax, it still felt like the camera needed to pan out more at times to pick up everything. I enjoyed it, felt good, made the years of investment feel good. Bravo.

No idea where it goes from there. They've got a large stable to pick from to make a new Avengers: War Machine, Bucky, Falcon, Ant-Man, Wasp, Scarlet Witch, (Nu)Hawkeye, Black Panther & Spider Man. That's solid. Those are all genuine Avengers from comics. Many have shown they can carry a solo movie as well.

How amazing what comes next will be will hinge a lot on this new Spider Man. I have loved the Spider Man character as much as any this go around (I think young Parker is the way to go) and he also has a great chance to be the most truly MCU version of a character imo with how he's taking Stark's death, wearing Stark's armor, dealing with Fury etc. The trailer made it clear that they will attempt to bring us up to speed on what the snap means for the whole universe in his film and sort of layout how the heroes are dealing with the world going forward. There were two crucial lines in the trailer to me where he asks Fury why they can't call anyone else and points out that what the world needs is a new iron man. Those landed for me and I for sure can't wait to see that movie.

I was most shocked that they would kill of Widow when I thought she was getting a solo film. Will make that a very interesting project if it does/still exists.

The Bad is mainly timetravel, its a shitshow and you always feel better about stories that never touch it not collapsing on themselves. For you guys' gripes outside of time travel I thought they did amazing job with Captain Marvel, the power level was probably exactly what they were going for. She has the most power of any MCU hero on average (IM, Thor, Strange etc could spike to crazy powerful but she's just always OPOP) but it didn't feel oppressive or ruin the stakes and she got her ass handed to her but in a way that 1) setup the win and 2) let her have one really good moment. I remember it as Thanos using the headbutt he had used on someone else previously in the fight and her taking it without flinching. I may be misremembering the details of that.

Much better for it to end with all that than to go on with actors who don't want to be there or writers who are out of ideas or surprises or have been written into a corner they can't get out of. I'll miss them and super hero movies may not be this big ever again in my lifetime but it was a helluva ride.


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Post by: Trippy on May 20, 2019, 07:03:25 PM
I was most shocked that they would kill of Widow when I thought she was getting a solo film. Will make that a very interesting project if it does/still exists.
She is getting a solo movie, though it technically still hasn't been officially announced yet, and it will obviously be taking place before Endgame. How far back it is still unknown though the latest rumor has it taking place right after Civil War.

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Post by: Hoax on May 20, 2019, 08:07:03 PM
I was most shocked that they would kill of Widow when I thought she was getting a solo film. Will make that a very interesting project if it does/still exists.
She is getting a solo movie, though it technically still hasn't been officially announced yet, and it will obviously be taking place before Endgame. How far back it still unknown though the latest rumor has it taking place right after Civil War.

Seems sad. Finally gets the solo movie they could have made ages ago, its now rendered seemingly pointless. It will probably be better than Solo because Marvel tends to make much better movies than Star Wars these days but its going to have the same sort of "no I didn't really need this backstory" issues.


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Post by: eldaec on May 21, 2019, 01:11:05 AM
Both Endgame and IW are amazing because of the difficulty involved in doing all the things they did in a coherent (mostly) narrative with as many actors and characters as they did. It should get a lot of credit just on degree of difficulty.

This is fair - but is also why I'm not really bothered about seeing them in theatres any more.

The avengers movies are way better than they deserve to be given how mediocre the massive crossover comics usually are. But not sure they are actually good in their own right.

(have yet to see Endgame)


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Post by: jgsugden on May 21, 2019, 02:39:49 PM
I was most shocked that they would kill of Widow when I thought she was getting a solo film. Will make that a very interesting project if it does/still exists.
She is getting a solo movie, though it technically still hasn't been officially announced yet, and it will obviously be taking place before Endgame. How far back it still unknown though the latest rumor has it taking place right after Civil War.
Seems sad. Finally gets the solo movie they could have made ages ago, its now rendered seemingly pointless. It will probably be better than Solo because Marvel tends to make much better movies than Star Wars these days but its going to have the same sort of "no I didn't really need this backstory" issues.
It seems likely that they'll give the movie some current era stakes that will impact the world after her death.  While I do not think this is the route they would take, an example would be Hakweye doing something in the present that requires him to unearth something about Black Widow from before they worked together, so that the movie is 20% present Hawkeye story and 80% flashback looking at what he uncovers.


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Post by: eldaec on May 21, 2019, 04:51:20 PM
Black Widow would anyway benefit from winding the clock back to before she was famous.


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Post by: Cyrrex on May 22, 2019, 07:03:13 AM
If they could somehow also rollback Scarlett to her younger self, well, I'd be in favor of that.


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Post by: eldaec on May 22, 2019, 10:26:17 AM
You're veering awful close to a complaint about knee sharpness there.


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Post by: lamaros on May 22, 2019, 05:23:49 PM
You're veering awful close to a complaint about knee sharpness there.

Nm.


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Post by: Cyrrex on May 23, 2019, 12:38:37 AM
I would take any version of SJ I could get.  The remark more reflects my opinion that younger Scarlett was perhaps the most beautiful creature that ever was.


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Post by: lamaros on May 23, 2019, 05:50:47 AM
You're not making it better.


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Post by: Cyrrex on May 23, 2019, 06:11:30 AM
I don't care?


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Post by: jgsugden on May 30, 2019, 06:55:21 PM
I keep seeing people talking about the 5 years missing and how society could not handle the return.  Most of these conversations assume that there is no preparation for a return.  That seems short sighted.

The Avengers (at least some of them) were operating as a cohesive council of heroes during this time.  They were looking for a way to undo the damage.  Wouldn't they have made it cear it was something being sought - and might someday happen?  Wouldn't that force people to consider and make decisions about planning for a return?  If your spouse disappeared and you married someone new, don't you think the conversation about, "What if there is a return?" is something they'd think to have?

Obviously, there would be scheming, people hoping a return never happens, people that might want it but can't believe it will happen, etc...  So they should have had preparations for it, although those preparations might wane after 5 years... They also might be insufficiency when faced with the 'reality' of the situation.  But something.

If they do not deal with it in S-M:FFH, I'll be disappointed.  However, it just gets me that all of these blogs and articles do not account for it.

I also ponder - Why 5 years?  Why not 1 year (as had passed in the real world)?  Or 6 months?  Just so that Tony and Pepper's kid was old enough to speak in scenes?  Or did they think this through and decide that all of this chaos was interesting and that they want to address it in the next few movies.  After all - if it is now 2023 in the MCU, won't they need to 'slow down' so that the movies shown over a couple years all take place int he same MCU year to give the real world time to catch up?  Maybe the next 3 years of movies all take place over a short period of time, like the first movies mostly all took place within a week.


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Post by: Raguel on May 30, 2019, 07:08:17 PM
Maybe it's 5 years to squeeze in 2 BW movies?  :why_so_serious: :why_so_serious:

I don't get the feeling the Avengers notified anyone outside their circle (which obviously includes the state of Wakanda through Okoye and maybe alien worlds through CM and Rocket) but who knows really. At any rate it doesn't seem like much time passed between Lang coming back from the quantum realm and the Avengers going back in time. No way any nation is ready for ~50% increase in population practically overnight anymore than they would be prepared for the snap.


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Post by: Threash on May 30, 2019, 09:42:39 PM

I also ponder - Why 5 years?  Why not 1 year (as had passed in the real world)?  Or 6 months?  Just so that Tony and Pepper's kid was old enough to speak in scenes? 

Part this and part aging up Ant-Mans daughter.


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Post by: Teleku on May 31, 2019, 12:57:11 AM
I keep seeing people talking about the 5 years missing and how society could not handle the return.  Most of these conversations assume that there is no preparation for a return.  That seems short sighted.

The Avengers (at least some of them) were operating as a cohesive council of heroes during this time.  They were looking for a way to undo the damage.  Wouldn't they have made it cear it was something being sought - and might someday happen?  Wouldn't that force people to consider and make decisions about planning for a return?  If your spouse disappeared and you married someone new, don't you think the conversation about, "What if there is a return?" is something they'd think to have?

Obviously, there would be scheming, people hoping a return never happens, people that might want it but can't believe it will happen, etc...  So they should have had preparations for it, although those preparations might wane after 5 years... They also might be insufficiency when faced with the 'reality' of the situation.  But something.
Dude, the 5 year jump literally starts with Captain America at a group therapy session talking about the need to let go of everybody who left.  Everybody had given up.  Not sure why anybody would plan for people suddenly returning when everybody had zero indication that was a thing even possible.  The avengers had given up after Thanos destroyed the stones, and were spending every second they had just trying to hold the world together.  It's just a silly/bad plot hole.

I also ponder - Why 5 years?  Why not 1 year (as had passed in the real world)?  Or 6 months?  Just so that Tony and Pepper's kid was old enough to speak in scenes?  

Part this and part aging up Ant-Mans daughter.
I don't know, I see it in reverse.  I think they wrote him having a daughter into the story line just to give a silly excuse to force a 5 year time jump.  He has a daughter now, so he demands that if they get the stones they just bring back everybody who was dusted and nothing else, because then his daughter wouldn't exist (which is kind of selfish considering the millions who have died in the aftermath of the snap).  Because otherwise they would have just happily snapped the world back into existence as before Thanos went a killing.  Could have brought Loki and others back, and nothing would have changed.  Which is what I expected them to do.  Instead they decided they wanted all the previous deaths to 'count', so they created the daughter as a plot device to force a 5 year jump and make them use the stones in a very limited fashion.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 31, 2019, 11:42:41 AM
I think that's pretty much right--if you don't limit what they can fix, then why not fix everything. There's probably other MacGuffinish ways to create those limits--magico-babble about the stones, whatever. But it isn't just trying to force the 'fix' into a very precise space that preserves the damage that Thanos caused at the outset because of its emotional impact, it's also to briefly raise the emotional stakes--that for every ten people who are still profoundly wounded by what Thanos did, there's one person who accidentally or incidentally benefitted from it. Nebula is better off, Hulk is better off, Tony is better off. If it weren't for Clint Barton, it kind of looks like the gangsters are better off. The whales are better off.

The problem is that this should be a never-ending story engine for the MCU--imagine the people who found a better marriage or a better working life etc. or who lost abusive family members or terrible bosses etc. trying to deal with the return of a bad situation even though almost everybody else is ecstatic or overjoyed. Imagine what people who want to restore the old order would have to face. I think MCU Earth might take climate change more seriously, plus MCU Earth is now overwhelmingly and incontrovertibly aware that there's a larger universe full of aliens and magic AND that some basically mortal being briefly had a power that the world's religions would have previously claimed was the province only of God/Allah/the Absolute.

And I think none of us really think they're going to do anything remotely like that. I would be very excited if they did--it would be genuinely interesting. But they're not.


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Post by: jgsugden on May 31, 2019, 12:57:00 PM
Put it this way: If you lived in that world, and your significant other and kids disappeared into dust, and the explanation given was an alien used magic level technology to wipe out half the living beings - everywhere - an that the heroes traveled into space, found the alien, and were trying to undue the whole snap... but failed because that magic was now gone... Would you say, "Oh, well... I guess that is that.  Looks like there are a bunch of newly single folks out there." 

Cap was trying to help people move on because they couldn't.  He couldn't.  That is why there would be some preparations.  As noted, they would likely be incapable of handling the full impact, but the question of "what if X returns into the world" is something people would have considered... a lot ... from every perspective that matters.


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Post by: Khaldun on May 31, 2019, 02:54:20 PM
Good job not paying attention to the film.

The film expressly illustrates that some people DID move on. Tony Stark moved on, in multiple ways. He's not out chasing bad guys in his armor or even worrying much about his company. He's found the peace he never knew he wanted. The Hulk/Banner moved on, in a way he'd never been able to before. In some ways, Valkryie moved on just fine--she's been a leader after having been a misanthropic, lost person for decades. There's clearly places where people are living basically happy lives--look at the diner where they meet with Professor Hulk--nobody's moping in encounter groups there.

I guarantee if half the people on Earth disappeared in a mystical or religious event, there would be pragmatic and stoical people who would just get right back at the business of living. There are other people who might actually be happy that their status quo changed. Now I do think at about five years out, they'd be cresting over the edge of "Wow, Playstation 4s and cars are basically free now" into "wait, I'm getting kind of tired of watching the same movies on Netflix".


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Post by: jgsugden on June 02, 2019, 12:06:30 AM
Good job not paying attention to the film.

The film expressly illustrates that some people DID NOT move on.

And those people would be the ones that made preparations. 


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Post by: Velorath on June 02, 2019, 02:22:16 AM
I have no idea what preparation you could make for 50% of the world's population disappearing and then coming back 5 years later, the same age they were when they disappeared. What preparation do you make for kids who lost both parents for 5 years of their lives? How many people would have put their lives entirely on hold for 5 years out of blind hope that everyone would come back? Who would never move or remarry? How many peoples' empty homes and apartments had everything thrown out or stolen while they were gone, and then someone else moved in? Was every homeless survivor just told to wait the fuck outside in case everyone comes back? How many important jobs couldn't get done because half the people with the specific training or skill sets vanished? If your spouse died in one of the presumably numerous plane crashes or car accidents that must have occurred directly following the snap, or because the surgeon working on their heart at the time turned to dust, are you assuming the Avengers are going to bring them back as well? If you do get remarried, what kind of preparation can you really make for if your previous spouse comes back? Are all these new couples just going to agree to break it off?

I mean really, we have a hard enough time preparing for and dealing with natural disasters that occur several times a year. The snap would result in immediate chaos, people trying to take advantage of the situation, probably PTSD and other mental issues for a large percentage of the population, to say nothing of the number of suicides that would occur. This isn't a situation that lends itself to a widespread plan of how we're going to get things mostly back to normal once the Snap gets undone.  This is also not the kind of story Disney/Marvel and Sony are prepared to tell. I'm pretty sure more than anything, Sony just wants to put out a Spider-man movie where Peter goes on a class trip to Europe. The fact that things are back to normal enough that a school trip to Europe is even a thing (as opposed to helping rebuild society, or not wanting to spend a couple weeks away from the parent who just had to live 5 years without you) suggest to me that the references to Endgame will be mostly what we saw in the trailer.


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Post by: Ironwood on June 02, 2019, 03:19:12 AM
Yeah.  The only trauma you're going to see is the aftermath of some teenager losing a rich douchebag who was mostly a cunt to him.



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Post by: jgsugden on June 02, 2019, 09:48:25 AM
I have no idea what preparation you could make for 50% of the world's population disappearing and then coming back 5 years later, the same age they were when they disappeared...
Prepare for everything?  Of course not.  Did I ever even come close to saying they'd be prepared for everything?  No - I said Iwas annoyed that all of these articles, apparently like some people here, are short sighted and can only imagine that there were no preparations - at all - made for a return.  Pointing out indiviudal problems that are hard/impossible to address is kind of missing the point. 

Put yourself in the shoes of Joe Shmoe in that universe.  Your wife and one of your kids melts in front of you due to, essentially, magic.  The Avengers try to fix it and fail.  Do you shrug your shoulders and move on?  Or are you asking, "What will you try next?"  If you still have hope of a return, and there are all those articles out there talking about how if there were a return the world would be unprepared and people would starve - what would you do if you were holding onto hope? 


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Post by: Velorath on June 02, 2019, 11:15:36 AM
I have no idea what preparation you could make for 50% of the world's population disappearing and then coming back 5 years later, the same age they were when they disappeared...
Prepare for everything?  Of course not.  Did I ever even come close to saying they'd be prepared for everything?

No, you left it almost completely vague about what "preparing" would actually entail except maybe couples talking about what would happen if their previous spouse came back (which still isn't going to spare anybody the emotional distress that is going to come along with that situation).

If I'm in the shoes of someone in the MCU? Well to start with I'm probably terrified. Aliens have attacked the planet before, the organization that was supposed to help protect people broke up because it had been infiltrated by Nazis, a city was lifted up into the air by a killer AI, then the Avengers broke up with Captain America being a fugitive. I don't know what level of confidence I'm going to have in the Avengers fixing everything, especially with Iron Man and Thor basically retired. 6 months after the Snap I'm maybe still trying to hold onto some hope. After 5 years? The people still clinging to hope that everyone is coming back would probably be considered delusional by a lot of people (and in the other 14 million outcomes Strange saw those people would pretty much be delusional).


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Post by: Bunk on June 02, 2019, 02:06:29 PM
The talk of "preparing" just makes no sense. Five years later, all the jobs those people had have been filled and companies restructured around the smaller workforce. All those suddenly empty homes - you don't think the majority have been taken over or at minimum completely looted? All those bank accounts, stocks, cars, possessions - they all belonged to dead people - they aren't just sitting waiting in limbo to be reclaimed. Five years of food production being cut in half, and now overnight there are twice as many people in the world to feed.

The problem is, five years would have given the world time to adjust. And now you suddenly have massive overpopulation. No amount of a few people "preparing" would fix that.


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Post by: jgsugden on June 02, 2019, 06:54:03 PM
You guys keep on saying, "Look, there is some aspect that is going to be problematic.  So there could be no meaningful preparation."  That is kinfd f insane.  It is like saying, "No matter how hard you prepare, if there is a big enough storm, there is going to be flood damage.  Obviously, there could be no meaningful flood preparation." 

Could governments have demanded that there be massive food and water stores in case there was a return?  Yes.  In fact, there likely would have been a lot of lobbying for such a thing by the greedy business folks that would provide those stores of materials.  Would those demands for materials have diminished aftr 5 years?  Likely, but if Oscorp could profit year after year by lobbing for the stores to be replenished and selling them to the government....

Could the governments have set rules for what would happen to pssessions (legally speaking, not practically speaking of taking possession) should there be a return?  Yes.  In fact, there would likely have been a lot of demand for that to be clear.  If Bob 'inherited' his parents house when his parents disappeared, and Bob wanted to sell it, the buyers would want to know that the house was not going to be taken away from them should Bob's parents return.  Or, alternatively, if they knew it would, they'd want to know how they'd be compensated.  All of the auditing companies would certainly have pushed for these rules.  Maybe there was a cottage "Return Insurance" industry. 

What about politican positions of power?  They likely set rules, although 5 years is long enough that most elected people likely lost their position.  But who knows what rules they'd set.  But if the Republican President and Republican Vice President disappeared and the Democratic Speaker of the House stepped into power, I'm assuming the Republican party would have wanted near immediate clarificaion on what would happen should their President return before his term was up.  I'm assuming that non-elected positions will be addressed in the next Black Panther, at least for Wakanda.

Jobs?  We currently have a lot of laws that require employers to allow employees to return to their job after military service and medical absences.  Maybe they'd have similar rules in place for this situation - or maybe not.  However, people that believed in/hoped for a return would have wanted there to be clarity. Also, politicans running for office would have seen a huge opening to get votes from those that lost people by supporting bills for guarateed return jobs...

I can just hear some of you asking, "But what about all the companies that disappeared or can't finance that many jobs or ..." I'm not claiming there would be perfect preparations.  I'm not claiming everything would be anticipated.  I'm not claiming that the world would be remotely capable of just carrying on a week after the return.... I'm saying it it idiotic to assume that there are no preparations.  There would have been a huge demand for such preparations.

Ugly?  Yes.  Full of fighting? Sure.  But the idea that the entire world looked at the absence of half of the population and took no preparations... kind of idiotic.  It assumes that essentially everyone with any influence just wrote off everyone that was gone and had absolute belief they could not return. 

We'll have to see what happens in the next several movies - and perhaps the next few seasons of TV shows once they address the events.


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Post by: Raguel on June 02, 2019, 09:25:22 PM
I'm not reading any of that because it would take longer than the time shown in the movies that anyone outside of the Avengers sphere did in preparing for people to return.  :why_so_serious: They don't know they are in a comic book movie lol.


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Post by: BobtheSomething on June 03, 2019, 12:09:50 AM
My head canon is that Stark Industries had an arc reactor and nanofactory set on "make protein bars" from the moment Stark figured out time travel.  Ikoye handled the distribution.


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Post by: Ironwood on June 03, 2019, 12:44:12 PM
I'm not reading any of that because it would take longer than the time shown in the movies that anyone outside of the Avengers sphere did in preparing for people to return.  :why_so_serious: They don't know they are in a comic book movie lol.

Sugden gotta Sug.


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Post by: jgsugden on June 03, 2019, 03:00:45 PM
We'll see in a month or so whether SM:FFH ignores the 5 years, dismisses it in a line or two, discusses it throughout as meaningless background noise/exposition, or whether it informs the storyline(s) meaningfully. 


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Post by: eldaec on June 03, 2019, 05:49:08 PM
Ignore it is exactly what that film should do.

Concentrate on the damn film in front of them.


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Post by: schild on June 04, 2019, 09:01:11 PM
ALRIGHT ENDGAME

My big huge complaints:
I hate that Gamora came back even if they went back further than her sacrifice. I figured she'd be removed from the timeline.  A soul for a soul.
I hate how much time was spent on the Captain America Old Guy shit. I HATED HATED HATED that he left with a hammer and came back with a shield at the end (which means he returned the hammer but stole the fucking shield).
I hate that Groot had like 3 minutes of screen time. Total.
I *******HATED******* FAT THOR. Maybe the dumbest shit in any of the MCU movies.
I disliked the Nebula stuff. I mean, it was fine for the story, but I just don't care about the character that much. Surely we could've had some other way to do it.
I hated that Tony called himself Howard instead of Tony. If he called himself Tony, it would've been a GREAT nod to Back to the Future, thus making the entire Ant Man plan amazing. Missed opportunity that felt like a kick in the dick.
I hated that Potato Cannon Kid was focused on just long enough to make me think Letitia Wright won't be Iron Man.

Big The Opposite of Complaints

Using Quills dancing and soundtrack in the cave was absolutely fantastic.
Ant Man was standout in this movie. Just excellent.
I liked the immediate and gratifying eath of Thanos at the beginning.
I liked Captain Marvel even though she's still way too powerful for this movie even though she got punched out with a stone.
I liked the headfake on a second Thanos snap even though it was hilariously telegraphed.
I'm glad we finally got to see Instant Kill mode but I would have liked to see it in the first suit, not the mk III or whatever.
I'm glad they kept Friday even though they had ample opportunity for Tony to download Jarvis at Stark Tower in 2014 or whatever.
I'm glad they treated it like a Greatest Hits album despite the fact it made the movie drag about 45 minutes too long.

In general, I liked the movie, it was as popcorny as popcorn can be. But boy, the investment to get here was just massive.

Side note: Guy 2 seats from me (along with his wife) started fucking BAWLING when Tony died and cried all the the funeral while eating. Eating while crying. For like 25 minutes. Any emotional response I could've had was destroyed by this dork.


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Post by: schild on June 04, 2019, 09:04:00 PM
oh professor hulk is cute but a little Gremlins two-y.

OH and not showing Cap confronting Red Skull at least in a stinger was some fuckin bullshit. Should've traded the stone back for Black Widow.


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Post by: Samwise on June 04, 2019, 11:31:29 PM
oh professor hulk is cute but a little Gremlins two-y.

HAAAAAAAA

I couldn't put my finger on what he reminded me of.  Thank you.


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Post by: schild on June 04, 2019, 11:33:38 PM
oh professor hulk is cute but a little Gremlins two-y.

HAAAAAAAA

I couldn't put my finger on what he reminded me of.  Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHtH_SHhc6E


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Post by: HaemishM on June 05, 2019, 09:29:55 AM
I had forgotten that skit too. "You just like a child, you have the brain of a child. You do not have a high IQ..."


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Post by: RhyssaFireheart on June 17, 2019, 08:35:27 AM
So I finally, finally got to see this over the weekend.  Yay for vacation and the husband not having some flavor or medical emergency for once.  Enjoyed the ending thoroughly although I really do wish I'd seen both Ant-Man movies and Captain Marvel first.  Ah well, it's not like either was required although the AM ones might have been.


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Post by: Riggswolfe on June 17, 2019, 11:40:42 AM
So I finally, finally got to see this over the weekend.  Yay for vacation and the husband not having some flavor or medical emergency for once.  Enjoyed the ending thoroughly although I really do wish I'd seen both Ant-Man movies and Captain Marvel first.  Ah well, it's not like either was required although the AM ones might have been.

The 2nd Antman movie sets up some of the plot points in this one towards the end. Neither the firsr one or Captain Marvel are necessary. I was actually a little surprised how pointless she is in the movie. They sort of played it up like she was going to kick Thanos ass and she didn't. I think it's good she didn't, the old guard needed their last hurrah but it did feel like she was sort of wasted.


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Post by: Threash on June 17, 2019, 11:45:45 AM
The one that did kick Thanos ass was Scarlet Witch, lucky for him she's the MCU definition of a glass cannon.


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Post by: Velorath on June 17, 2019, 12:31:54 PM
So I finally, finally got to see this over the weekend.  Yay for vacation and the husband not having some flavor or medical emergency for once.  Enjoyed the ending thoroughly although I really do wish I'd seen both Ant-Man movies and Captain Marvel first.  Ah well, it's not like either was required although the AM ones might have been.

The 2nd Antman movie sets up some of the plot points in this one towards the end. Neither the firsr one or Captain Marvel are necessary. I was actually a little surprised how pointless she is in the movie. They sort of played it up like she was going to kick Thanos ass and she didn't. I think it's good she didn't, the old guard needed their last hurrah but it did feel like she was sort of wasted.

My understanding is that the Endgame Captain Marvel stuff had been filmed before they filmed the Captain Marvel movie, so it was probably a matter of not having time because she had a whole movie to film, and Larson not really having had time to grow into the role yet.  Also since Captain Marvel was still in theaters when Endgame released it was probably also a matter of assuming that a not-insignificant portion of Endgame's audience hadn't seen it yet, so it might be best not to make the character too important.


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Post by: eldaec on June 17, 2019, 04:32:00 PM
Much more likely the endgame writers just hadn't seen a Captain Marvel script.


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Post by: Threash on June 19, 2019, 09:21:27 AM
Extended edition coming to theaters because fuck Avatar. (https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/06/19/avengers-endgame-theatrical-re-release-extra-footage-kevin-feige/)


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Post by: Velorath on June 20, 2019, 02:07:30 AM
Extended edition coming to theaters because fuck Avatar. (https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/06/19/avengers-endgame-theatrical-re-release-extra-footage-kevin-feige/)

Sure although I don't see it bringing in a pile of extra money at this point, especially with theaters clearing up room for Disney's next big release this weekend with Toy Story 4, and then the next MCU movie a week and a half from now. Also Disney owns Avatar now anyway and I'm sure whenever Cameron gets around to finishing Avatars 2 through 17 or however many he ends up making, they'll probably re-release the original also.


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Post by: Riggswolfe on June 21, 2019, 11:59:28 AM
The one that did kick Thanos ass was Scarlet Witch, lucky for him she's the MCU definition of a glass cannon.

Well, I mean he did call down weapons fire from his ship to save himself. I seriously think if he hadn't she'd have ended it all right then and there and Tony Stark would have lived.


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Post by: Threash on June 21, 2019, 01:12:22 PM
Yeah, thats why i said she was a glass cannon, she deals the most damage but can't really take any.


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Post by: Soulflame on June 21, 2019, 04:43:31 PM
She took a punch from Thanos with barely a flinch.  It was only when Thanos punched her again, while holding the Power Stone, that she went down.

He didn't bother with that for any of the other fights.

I don't get how she can be considered a glass cannon.


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Post by: Trippy on June 21, 2019, 04:46:52 PM
Heís talking about Scarlet Witch not Captain Marvel.


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Post by: Soulflame on June 21, 2019, 05:42:41 PM
Ah.  Well.  That makes more sense.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame - Spoilers Away! Read at your own risk.
Post by: Ard on June 21, 2019, 11:31:11 PM
I also wouldn't even call the Scarlet Witch a glass cannon since he had to call down an orbital strike on her to stop her.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: schild on June 22, 2019, 11:21:38 PM
removed the spoiler tag, if you come into this thread now and haven't seen it

I.... don't care. It's barely even in theaters anymore.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Threash on June 23, 2019, 07:53:44 AM
I didn't even know we were supposed to be using spoilers.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: schild on June 23, 2019, 11:02:22 AM
We weren't. The entire thread was spoilered in the title.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on July 02, 2019, 06:43:53 PM
Resaw it. The extras are very lame and you shouldn't go for that reason. We just went to see it a second time, that's all. Which was fun. It's a pretty satisfying film on a second view.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame - Spoilers Away! Read at your own risk.
Post by: jgsugden on July 02, 2019, 11:50:11 PM
We'll see in a month or so whether SM:FFH ignores the 5 years, dismisses it in a line or two, discusses it throughout as meaningless background noise/exposition, or whether it informs the storyline(s) meaningfully. 
Answer:


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on July 03, 2019, 08:21:34 AM
There are at least vague hints of how it might be a more complicated and difficult thing in other MCU movies that are comfortable with darker emotional tonality, too. It's kind of too bad that the Netflix series have ended, because they could have really done some good stuff with the Blip.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: jgsugden on July 03, 2019, 12:50:50 PM
When refering to a possible future for the Netflix series, Feige recently said they love the characters, that they have contractual issues (the 18 to 24 month wait), but that saying anything else would be a spoiler.  That implies a future.  I'm betting we get Daredevil with Charlie Cox back in some form, and that there is a Heroes for Hire series that picks up the lives of these characters, post blip, and continues their stories (possibly with some recasting of certain people that have said that they are done with their characters).


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: jgsugden on July 03, 2019, 12:54:36 PM
Regarding how people returned after the blip...
Minor S-M FFH spoiler:    


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Ironwood on July 03, 2019, 03:35:05 PM
That was pretty much played for laughs, but you know, you do you.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Khaldun on July 03, 2019, 05:07:32 PM
I think in this case you can imagine that maybe it wouldn't be as much for laughs in another vehicle. It's actually a pretty good story engine for the future if they feel like sticking to it.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: jgsugden on July 04, 2019, 09:47:00 PM
That was pretty much played for laughs, but you know, you do you.

You mean a b storyline was comedic?  Someone call the Movie Police.

They worked it into a lot of the movie. They could have told the exact same story and excluded all references to it. Thus, it was in that middle zone.


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: HaemishM on July 30, 2019, 10:17:17 AM
Still wondering if Gamora is alive?

Yes, as shown by an Endgame deleted scene (https://twitter.com/usatodaylife/status/1154787642736893953).


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Jeff Kelly on October 04, 2019, 06:44:06 AM
Finally saw it yesterday and found it largely meh. It was mostly OK but establishing the "world after the snap" took way too long and not long enough at the same time. So there wasn't that much time left to make the actual heist movie part and the climactic fight at the end work well because the world building took so long. At the same time the movie didn't have enough time to really flesh out how the world had changed during the last five years.

The ending is Fallout 3 levels of stupid though. It's even the same stupid setup with a radiation immune green guy that somehow can't use the glove for plot reasons so that RDJ can die a heroic death. Also the whole plot hinges on Strange giving his stone to Thanos so that monk Tilda Swinton gives it to smart Hulk and not her universe version of Dr. Strange for reasons that aren't explained at all.

It#s still an OK end to something that is almost impossible to wrap up anyway


Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame
Post by: Teleku on October 04, 2019, 08:35:17 AM
The ending is Fallout 3 levels of stupid though. It's even the same stupid setup with a radiation immune green guy that somehow can't use the glove for plot reasons so that RDJ can die a heroic death. Also the whole plot hinges on Strange giving his stone to Thanos so that monk Tilda Swinton gives it to smart Hulk and not her universe version of Dr. Strange for reasons that aren't explained at all.
She gave it to hulk temporarily on the promise he'd bring it back (Which cap did).  So she still gave it to Strange in her own timeline.

And the reasons seemed pretty clear on the glove.  It uses so much power that even with the glove, only a super strong being can wield it.  Thanos using it twice almost killed him, and they showed that his arm was super fucked up after using it the second time.  Hulk, who is weaker than Thanos, was able to do it, but it fucked him up pretty bad in the process and likely would kill him on a second go.  Then Thanos attacked, and everybody played hot potato with the stones till Stark was positioned in a small window to steal and use the stones.