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To be written and possibly directed by Jimmy Gunn.

Linky (https://nerdist.com/james-gunn-suicide-squad-sequel-dc/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=Nerdist&utm_content=James%20Gunn%20in%20Talks%20to%20Write%20DC%27s%20SUICIDE%20SQUAD%20Sequel)

What a delicious "Fuck you" to the idiots at Disney who decided to fire him.

I'd rather have him work at Guardians of the Galaxy 3, but he can make a good Suicide Squad movie as well I guess.

Ayep.

Added note, Dave Bautista said to sign him up on Twitter. That'd be the icing on the fuck you cake.

Bautista as Killer Croc would be fun.

I just don't get what the fuck Warner Bros. is thinking. Making a new Suicide Squad movie that isn't a sequel but may or may not have the same cast just shows how fucking idiotic they are, flailing from one idea to the next from week to week. Gunn would do a great job with it, but I don't think they need a reboot, just a better script. He will give them a better script.

It maybe needs a reboot if they're soft-rebooting the whole damn DCCU. 

Besides, if you hire Gunn, you want him to feel no constraints about going with past actors/concepts.

The problem with the Suicide Squad is that it takes a fairly inhabited superhero universe to be a really fun concept. You can't have a team of colorful supervillains being forced to work together by The Man while they scheme against each other and their controllers if you don't have an established universe full of superheroes or secretive paramilitaries that put the bad guys in jail in the first place. The mix you need is kind of what they went for (badly) in the first film: a villain with high name recognition (Joker, Luthor, Riddler, Reverse-Flash, Brainiac, Two-Face, Black Manta, Captain Cold), some villains who have interesting backstories/concepts/personalities, the villain who has some slightly heroic or admirable qualities, and a couple of scrub red-shirt villains who are meant to get killed. Having even a sketch of a universe takes a bit of the heavy lifting that requires off the table.

Redband trailer is now out.  Cautiously optimistic but really I just want to go back to the movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfl53R8AJ4c

STARRO, BITCHES  :heart: :awesome_for_real:

I guess we need Idris Elba to play Surlyboi in the f13 movie.

For a DC movie, that is a pretty good trailer.

So this time I don't think they cut a grimdark dour film up for a trailer that made it seem improbably lively and funny, I think this time we're actually seeing the movie they made.

The original Suicide Squad had an amazing trailer.

I wouldn't be opposed. He'd just have to work on a solid non-regional American accent and occasionally dip into Stringer Bell when necessary. 

In fairness that was very much a non-fun movie that was then hastily re-edited and trailered to be a more fun 'Deadpool style' film. This one is looking much more likely to have actually been shot with that in mind so the optimists are hoping that this time it should be accurate for the tone of the movie at least.

Thats the point, you can make a great trailer even if the movie is shitty. Queen does help a lot.

Ya. think a Twilight trailer with "I want to Break free" playing.

I liked it. I didn't think it was the best ever--not nearly as much fun as the first Guardians of the Galaxy, for example--there's a bit of a sour, dark feeling around the edges, as there should be given the property. But some lovely touches, memorable scenes, etc. and it hums along nicely.

Cena was great in this, the whole cast did great. Was nice seeing Idris Elba completely buy in the goofyness of the entire thing. The massacre of the freedom fighters was the highlight of the film.

Stallone delivered his lines very well I thought.

Also, I am now, officially, one degree of separation from Idris Elba. I had several classes with one of the control room team in college.

Yeah, the freedom fighters scene was both great and  :ye_gods: in terms of there being really no reckoning for it. Gunn leans hard into these folks being bad people where the opportunities for more human narrative arcs are doled out sparingly but where the bad people part is also laid out matter of factly and without a lot of hand-wringing about it. As it often was in Ostrander's long run on the comic.

Cena is really great in it. Whether or not that was a special effect in the underwear scene.  :awesome_for_real:

Actually everybody's great. Really not an off performance in the whole thing. Gunn gets the most out of his cast.

It's amazing how good you can make stupid looking shit work when you get good creators involved who don't feel ashamed that they are doing comic book movies. It's a giant fucking starfish and it looked like a dude in a costume flailing around a la early Godzilla movies, and yet it totally works. Every performance was good. Cena nailed the character completely and I cannot wait to see the 8-episode TV series (5 of the episodes directed by Gunn) about Peacemaker. It's clear they meant Bloodsport to be Deadshot with Will Smith at first, and while I would have liked to have seen him reprise the character, Elba was even better. Clearly, the best DCEU movie ever (not that it had a lot of competition).

It actually worked better with the more ambiguous Bloodsport, Will Smith's Deadshot was very obviously a good guy.

Corto Maltese does have a helluva big army, by the way, it kind of felt like half the island was in uniform.

Fun movie all in all. I really enjoyed how much they leaned into the goofiness rather than trying to make it a overly serious.

Yeah, though there's some really dark shit if you pause to think about it for even a few seconds. If you have to do grimdark content, this shows you how to do it while still having a lot of fun and being genuinely visually imaginative. The only thing in the whole movie that even looks like the comics is Jotunheim itself, and in the comics, it's about five times taller and set into a cliff in North Africa and full of evil super-guys being trained as terrorists. Just another thing that was bad about Snyder: grimdark with zero sense of fun but ALSO zero visual imagination, since Snyder's thing in his films is mostly to quote actual comics visualizations and then elaborate them a bit. (When he does do his own thing, it's dumb shit like making Doomsday look like a cross between a cave troll from LOTR and Mr. Potato Head.)  Gunn has a genuinely great visual imagination, even the shit that maybe doesn't work perfectly like Harley having cartoon flowers and bluebirds behind her is interesting.

It was entertaining but I don't think anywhere on the level of Gunn's work on the GotG movies. Aside from Ratcatcher II I don't think the movie ever really gets past playing most of its characters for laughs and ultimately the story doesn't add up to much either. Fun but completely forgettable.

Yeah, you don't end up invested in anybody except Ratcatcher II and maybe Bloodsport. I think the movie wants you to care a bit about Polka-Dot Man, but he never really rises above what one of the other characters calls him (Bargain Norman Bates, or something like that).

I guess I ended up invested some in Rick Flag but only in that last fight.

You certainly don't feel like you care very much about the future adventures of any of the characters as characters, much as you might enjoy watching a Movie By James Gunn, compared to something like GoTG.

EDIT: I was also surprised that Javelin's javelin was in the end just a javelin.

There's something about David Dastmalchian, going all the way back to my first time seeing him in his bit role in Dark Knight where he's getting interrogated by Dent, where just due to the way he looks and his expressiveness he can look like just a creepy, crazy motherfucker but also be sympathetic at the same time.

Well I have to say I liked this movie primarily because they actually did a suicide squad movie and not something something staring Harley Quinn. I mean I'm more of a "task force x" justice league unlimited lover of the concept so maybe I don't have the greatest appreciation for what the suiciide squad is currently in the comics. But this movie worked, despite the multiple areas of cringe.

This is pretty close to the comic version of the Suicide Squad only with more humor.

There's actually quite a bit of humor in the older comic, mostly at the expense of Captain Boomerang.

The concept of a suicide squad is great, what matters is the execution. Obvious comment is obvious.

I enjoyed this about 1000X more than the last movie. It was better on literally every level and yes, I think Idris Elba was much, much more interesting than Will Smith. I actually spent the entire movie more or less chanting "don't let character X die." And there was a moment where I thought "holy shit, the puppy is about to get kicked..."

Yeah, I like the first as grimdark drek salvaged by Margot Robbie going over the top with the camp and fan service. This was a better movie in every way.

--Dave

Just watched this and it was a fun movie, as everyone has said. I really enjoyed the intro section and it worked really well to lay out clearly for the audience what the Suicide Squad is meant to be and what the stakes are for the characters .

Also I too thought the way Starro worked was to control its victims but if the main organism was killed, the people being controlled were released. The thing is it's impossible to remove the Starros without killing the host due to needing to basically peel off their whole face. Changing that up made the move really dark for anyone who actually thinks through the consequences for Corto Malta...

Yeah, in the comics, you can pull a Starro off a face and it's not a problem (thank god, otherwise the whole Justice League would be dead, more or less) though it's usually something that takes super-strength to do. And yeah, when Starro gets frozen/blown up/etc. the stars generally just fall off and die.

Gunn just got hired to be the Kevin Feige of all of DC Comics' stuff across TV and film, working with Peter Safran.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-peter-safran-to-lead-film-tv-division-1235248438

Heh, alt-right shitgoblins try to get him kicked off a Guardians movie and now he runs the whole DC studio. Nice work chumps.

Shame it won't make a difference. DC still doomed to be whatever is lower than wish.com for the mcu. Kohl's Cash MCU.

Yeah, I'm bummed he's tied to DCU and not MCU now.

But, Suicide Squad was legit decent, and Peacemaker was legit good.  Both of which I think are a first for any DC product I've seen.  The fact that DC has no problems making R movies/series, unlike Marvel, also means he might be the perfect fit for it.  Probably their best and only hope to turning that shit around.

Apparently the first thing he and Safran did was get Cavill back to play Superman.

I wonder a bit what he and Safran will do with the stuff that isn't quite as suited for a James Gunn approach...Presumably he will looking for people who can keep it fun but who have a different take or look than he does.

Playing out similar to the comics imo. DC got the early lead with its iconics (superman/batman/wonder woman) by decades. Marvel shows up with a superior product and takes their lunch until they lose it with too much cross-title event nonsense while DC tries to get edgier and edgier to compete.

I think the meta-hilarious thing in the end is that a writer associated with Marvel (Marv Wolfman) comes over to DC, says "the problem you guys have is your continuity is too confusing unlike Marvel's, let's fix that with a huge company-wide crossover event", which ends up doing two things:

1) Making DC's continuity vastly more confusing, which the company then attempts to address over the decades since by making their continuity EVEN MORE CONFUSING
2) Making company-wide crossover events mandatory on a regular basis, which also leads to tons of bad storytelling and interrupts really good runs in arbitrary ways

Like, whatever assets DC did have before Crisis, they included not having to give a fuck about continuity, really. There was a Wonder Girl and that was fine until Marv Wolfman insisted that somebody had to figure out Wonder Girl and he realized that you couldn't make sense of her if you looked at the actual comics where she was introduced as an "imaginary version of Wonder Woman as a teenager". That was not a problem that needed solving until someone decided it needed solving.

I pick up a DC comic today and unless it's really sealed off from the general continuity by a really disciplined creator, I have absolutely no fucking idea what's going on, because it's successive layers of Infinite Final Dark Metal Monitor 52 Crisisbabble.

Yeah, that tracks with me.  The only DC stuff I have enjoyed has been random epic Batman arcs (which can include other hero's from DC, but they still tell a coherent stand alone story like Long Halloween or Hush), or wacky stand alone stuff like Red Son. 

I can bitch non stop about how dumb Marvel has been with it's cross over events for decades, but they just have a much better stable of heroes, who work much better in a shared world when needed, and know how to make that shared world at least somewhat fun even at their worst.

Every single time DC has tried to simplify its continuity, it is completely sabotaged by fans and/or creators who are also fans who just have to have their pet version of the hero they are writing back. So rather than stick with interesting storylines like Kyle Raynor/Wally West/Connor Hawke as legacy heroes, they find increasingly stupid, handwavy ways to reset things to a sort of weird, 80's-esque status quo. Then you get a decent writer like Geoff Johns, who is just so obsessed with decades of continuity, trying desperately to jib that continuity with modern sensibilities in an ever more icky way.

And then he makes a 2-year long epic story that brings the Watchmen into the DC Universe, all so he can complete a love letter to the meta concept of Superman as the ultimate superhero, in a comic that went out of his way to show how utterly incompatible the mythology of Superman is with those modern sensibilities.

Doomsday Clock sucked balls is what I'm saying.