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Something Captain Marvel-related is going to drop today (Wednesday in the US) at 9 AM Pacific Time:

https://twitter.com/brielarson/status/1037148632963796992

Edits:
Release date: March 8, 2019

Trailer #1 (more a teaser really): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8

Trailer #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LHxvxdRnYc

Trailer #3 (Special Look): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX33bIOA5aA

Entertainment Weekly cover. The Internet remains unbroken.

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That looks really good in the sense that it's a perfect representation of the character.

It's Marvel.  It's kinda what they do.

Yeah that was anticlimactic.

More images:

https://imgur.com/a/I6qq8N2

A small part of me wishes they go the Hot Tub Time Machine route and has Fury almost lose his eye a few times.

A big part of me wishes the fucking Skrulls weren't involved. Hate them as characters.

Shapeshifter aliens should be an unparalleled existential threat from the get-go that lead to every other issue being pushed aside as irrelevant. They're not compatible with a universe where there is a lot of other shit going on.

So glad that's Maria not Monica that's in the movie. I hope to see Monica in the MCU soon.

I'd put high odds to see the daughter in the sequel to Captain Marvel that will be set in the present.

I still think a Brie Larson Cap Marvel can't be good. Nothing about her reads as badass military woman with cosmic powers.

Have you guys seen the Into the Spider-Verse trailer? I know it's a bit old, but I saw it linked in a thing about the new Insomniac game. I hadn't realized Marvel's animation unit had gotten so good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Hbz2jLxvQ

I hadn't seen that trailer. That does look good.

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Has Captain Marvel ever looked like a badass military woman with cosmic powers?

I keep hearing these sorts of complaints about casting (most recently with the Wonder Woman movie) and I still don't understand what it really means.  She looks pretty similar to the way she's drawn in the comics, which is the biggest thing.

On the whole women in comics are drawn for T n A.  In the old Captain Marvel comics (where she was a regular part of the cast; she was head of security at NASA) and her first run comics as Ms. Marvel she looks more like Marilyn Monroe than say an MMA fighter.

Female Rugby players. Nuff said.

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When I heard that they'd cast Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman ... I cringed and prounced WW DOA. 

That taught me to wait and see.  Marvel would not still be pumping her up as the next big thing if she did not nail it.

Are we still doing phrasing ?

Captain Marvel trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8) looks good.

It doesn't really show much (I don't think it even shows Fury talking so they probably aren't done with the de aging stuff) but I'm really hype. The way she glows it's pretty much official that she has Binary powers. I wonder if they will just pass that off as Kree based or not. 

She punches a Kree Granny.  Fucking Be There.

EDIT :  Shit, I meant Skrull.   But I'm leaving that there to show you how they can GET YOU.

Literally right after "discover what makes her a hero".

Trailer #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LHxvxdRnYc

yup captain marvel is still op

Damn :ye_gods:

Can't wait.

Saw this during the game last night. I thought it looked pretty badly put together. But that's 99% I don't like Brie Larson.

Now, Jessie Graff? She would've been a badass Cap.

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Or maybe Zoe Bell. You know, the badass stuntwomen that make cream puffs like Larson look badass in movies.

They are both at least a decade too old, closer to two for Zoe. I'm so happy they included her cat and i loved the trailer. I am a big fan of Brie Larson though.

SLJ always get the pussy in the end.

Nick Fury is black, shut up.

I dug it.

Huh?

I assume you meant if they could make Nick Fury black they can make Captain Marvel be 40+ then the answer is "lol, no they can't". Also Nick Fury has been black for a long ass time before they cast SLJ, they even based the comic book Nick Fury on him.

It's conceivable that they wanted someone who could actually act.

I have no idea why people are thinking "oh, Captain Marvel, she's got to be an MMA-buff woman". Like, she literally is not for her entire comic-book history--she's typically a statuesque blond who wears a skin-tight uniform who says feminist things while jiggling some ass and getting raped by extradimensional timelords. They have done a lot to fix her in their own way but...the idea that she's got to be some muscle fetish come to life does not compute.

the idea that anyone knows enough or cares enough about any of the Captain Marvels enough to be offended by casting is completely bogus I'd say. That trailer got me sort of excited but I'm not sure I saw anything in it that looked amazing or if it was more of a "oh marvel movie time of year is coming soon" thing.

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I would like to register a complaint about the artistic liberties this movie has taken with the original costume.

AT LAST! A BOLD NEW SUPER-HEROINE IN THE SENSES-STUNNING TRADTION OF SPIDER-MAN!

Sorry man, all that girl looks like she can do is kick a punching bag really hard and stuff.  She just doesn't look like a woman who can shoot laser beams from her hands, pick up an entire bus by herself, and fly through the cold vacuum of space unharmed.  Terrible casting choice.

Some of you people always bring up how they need to cast some roided out MMA chick to make a magic comic book super hero believable, and it never stops being silly.  The only thing I've seen her in was Kong: Skull Island, which I did not like, but it wasn't because of anything she did.  She will be a better actress than any of those people you named, so that already makes her a far better choice.  Also also, she actually looks pretty solidly built in that trailer.  The girl you are posting above seems more scrawny in comparison.

ANYWAYS, as to the trailer, I'm still kind of meh on it.  Nothing looks bad, but nothing about it really entertained me the way most Marvel Trailers do.  Seems a little by the books, and I can't help but get a Green Lantern feel from it......

Power wise, I really hope they try to constrain things and keep her in balance.  In the past she's literally been Superman (or stronger) in power level, which makes for a terrible hero.  Just from that trailer, in practicality, she's pretty much the same power set as Ironman (who, to be fair, they keep raising his every damn movie).  Hopefully that's it.

Not going to get into the debate as such, but the "girl you are posting above" is a legitimate, world class badass.  Can she act?  No idea.  But it is a little insane that people say they should cast someone like Jessie Graff, because there probably only has ever been one or two women like this in the entire history of the world. 

Not according to Kevin Feige who said "She is more powerful than any character we’ve introduced thus far". But really it seems unlikely she's more powerful than MCU Thor.

My only real issue is how they're going to deal with the timeline and how badly it seems to fuck with it.

Trailer looks the same as every marvel movie that isn't GotG. And that is fine.

Complaints about the casting are dumb.

There, think I covered everything.

I refer you to the wise words of Basil Exposition.

https://youtu.be/1SPk3NjYfmQ

Yeah, I thought it was fine? But it didn't particularly get my jaw dropping or put into a fever of anticipation. I think the major thing that's sort of interesting is that each film they do it taking them closer to full-on comic-book. Think about the first Iron Man--they were really pretty careful about effects-heavy scenes and worked pretty hard to keep some form of 'realism' in the frame. Even the first Thor was sort of careful in that way (partly because a lot of it is depowered fish-out-of-water Thor on Earth). But now they're much more confident (and maybe less cheap) about the visual tropes of comic books, and you can kind of see it in that trailer.

Whoever gets cast in a "new" MCU franchise is going to expect to be there for at least ten years, so it's better to get younger actors for their new characters. That is, at least until de-aging tech gets a *lot* cheaper.

I thought the CGI was pretty, but it also looks unfinished. At least, I hope it's unfinished. There were some uncanny valley moments in the scenes where she's blasting through space.

Yeah, I'm really not that bothered.

... and?  Can she act is issue #1 for an actress.  We've seen 4'8" ancient women carry enough gravitas to crush your balls witha stare... and most of her physical fighting will be pure CGI. 

I'm not sold that Kree Larsen is the ideal CM, but she is a pretty good actress.  We don't get the best of the movie in the trailers - especially the earl ones - so I'm eager to see where it goes on the screen.

I've been butthurt about 4 actor choices in superhero movies: Michael Keaton, Heath Ledger, Gal Gadot and Ben Affleck. I was wrong all 4 times. (Affleck's acting was fine, the scripts and movies were just shit.)

I'm not going to worry about Brie Larson until I see the movie. Also, I just realized all 4 of those were DC and 3 of them had to do with Batman. Huh.

I thought the guy they cast as Ozymandias in Watchmen was horrible and I was right.

Except where you were right about Keaton and Affleck. Brand Echh.

There's only really been one genius choice casting-wise for Bruce Wayne/Batman and that's Kevin Conroy. Everybody else has their flaws in the role.

I don't have strong feelings about Captain Marvel as a character in part because her origins and personality and even powers in the comics have been so variable. There's a huge range in which to get it "right", more or less--and some degree of forgiveness about getting it "wrong", since you'd have to do something REALLY weird to be "wrong" about the character. The only essentials I can see are:

she's powerful
she flies
she's got some kind of connection to space/the Kree
she's a fighter jock/ex-military
she's got some kind of feminist 'hook'
she's got amnesia that she's overcome or overcoming
she's blonde

Looks like they've got all that going.

Yeah, I guess we'll see.  I've been afraid they'll think they're clever by making the strongest hero in the MCU be a woman, and go overboard by introducing literal Superman to the MCU, which would be horrible.  We'll have to see what they do with her in the movies.

Just saying that on the surface, you can watch that entire trailer and imagine Ironman in her place when she is doing any action stuff, and it works.

I really want the MCU to replace Tony Stark with Riri Williams (teenage black girl genius invents Tony Stark level Iron Man armor) just to see the shithead explosion.

Rumor is a script doing just that is in the works:

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/07/20/marvel-ironheart-movie-riri-williams-iron-man-phase-4/

caring about who is cast as superheroes is edgelord shit

edit: oh boy i missed an entire page, but seriously

My only issue, thus far, with Brie Larson's casting is the voice. Just seems too high an octave to me, for some reason. I've heard some say she's intentionally done it for the role, but as someone who's not seen her in, well, anything else, I haven't the slightest clue -- and since it's just a minor quibble I'm not bothered enough to look into it. Though the claims she's done it to make the character come across as more feminine is.. amusing, regardless of whether it's true or not.

Well, actually, I do have another issue with her from what I've seen in the trailer; she doesn't seem that comfortable with green screen acting, like she isn't entirely sure how to emote or such. Saw a couple people mention it on trailer breakdowns and I agree. Still, I don't think it is that huge of an issue. All I want from Marvel movies is popcorn entertainment. If this delivers; great. If not.. it probably won't be (just?) because of the casting.

Uh, I am not sure we disagree here.  My point is simply that saying something like "find someone like Jessie Graff, who is both good looking and a real life physical genius" is fairly absurd, because she is basically one of a kind.  And she probably cannot act well enough.  And if she could act well enough, she would literally would be one of a kind.

No, I learned my lesson with Wonder Woman.  It may have been the only time I made a heart felt mis-casting rant, and I ate plenty of crow afterwards.  She was basically perfect for the role.

Also, basically perfect full stop.

I wouldn't be wrong to say that I was completely in love with Gal Gadot for at least the duration of that movie.

Meh i still think the casting for wonder woman sucks. Too skinny, she does a good job of being a somewhat stilted Diana which is fine because everything else about DC is god damn awful. Captain Marvel should go for a thicker or more curvier girl but you start getting into non-white actor female territories (and i can't even imagine that shit storm even if marvel has the balls to do it) and it's not like she won't be CGI character when allowed to cut loose. So skinny girls get thrown a bone, scarlet joe and the entire female cast of black panther is comic accurate enough to make up for it. Though if they really want to show how much they fucked up let her stand next to Okoye.

I figured Ronda Rousey would have cured anyone of the whole "cast thicker girls" kick.

Trailer #3 (Special Look): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX33bIOA5aA

I went to this today. It was really good. The theater was only 60-70% full which I find concerning. Maybe the Incels actually are having an impact on its business.

It had some great lines. The de-aging was seemless. Seriously, you couldn't tell on Samuel L. Jackson. The credits scenes were good though one had me asking a question as I walked back to my car.

I saw it on Wednesday which was opening night here. Theatre was mostly full and it was on in 7 of the 8 screens at the multiplex.
I liked it in general but the mid-point twist was really badly handled and basically boiled down to a giant plot coupon being handed out. The effects were great and the visuals were strong too, although I really wish that Marvel would stop leaning so heavily on the teal/orange split toning. I liked the new Marvel ident at the beginning, was a good tribute to Stan. The movie does a good job of tying in the continuities from other MCU titles to the whole arc - specifically GoTG and the Avengers and it sorta also acts as an origin story for Fury and Coulson too. The mid-90s comupter scenes had me grinning widely and there's a heavy coating of grunge-era musical nostalgia running through the main act.
It's a sold middle of the pack movie for me. Not as good as Iron Man, Ant Man2 or GoTG, better than IM2, GoTG2 and Avengers.

Without spoilering things much, how is her power level?  Like, basically equivalent of Thor or Iron-man?  Or did they create Marvel Superman?

It's the second one. She would break Iron Man or Thor in half without even noticing.

IM2 had the SuitCase. So.

Also, yeah, she's massively overpowered. No I haven't seen the movie, but IW gave it away.

I haven't seen the movie but based on the trailers (all the glowing she does) the version they're going with should be more powerful than anyone including Thanos (I say this because the reality stone doesn't actually control reality apparently).

If you want a corollary there's Dark Phoenix in X3 and in the upcoming movie (and regular Phoenix at the end of Apocalypse).

Seen it.  Her full power level is not that clear, but clearly at Thor+ territory.

I'd say they handled a powerful female character as well as Wonder Woman, if not better.   There were a couple cutesy things I could have lived without, but Larson really brought it.  Charismatic as hell.

This was a lot of fun. Theatre was full all but the front row hurt your neck seats, for a 10:35 PM non 3d showing.

It will certainly get called Marvel's version of Wonder Woman with all the girl power content, but I didn't care - it was a fun movie. Save yourself ten minutes and catch the second post credit scene online, just stay for the first one.

Marvel version of Wonder Woman sounds like a grand recommendation as far as I am concerned.

Just got back from seeing it.  IanC has the right of it.  It's a good Marvel movie though not in their most top tier.  Certainly worth a watch, and they had a lot of good comedy moments with Fury and all the 90's stuff.  It went down well even with English speaking Lao crowd.

Though, most importantly for me, I'm going to disagree with Ian on her power level.  They charged her up at the end, but nothing she did was outside of what I could see current Axe wielding Thor or even Ironman making up some bullshit about powering up his armor doing.

To be specific:

I did ?

This was fun.  Fee good laughs along the way. Brie Larson is great. Power levels reallllly don’t matter in marvel movies if you haven’t noticed.

They matter if in my head I want to know if Brie Larsen could beat up Daredevil.

Yeah, that’s fair enough.  They were just hyping her power levels before hand, and on top of the trailers, I was worried they were going to introduce a Superman hero into the universe.  Which would be bad because Superman is a terrible hero and fucks up DC by his very existence.

But as your say, and as I pointed out in the spoiler, they never gave any real specifics on what she can do other than fly and shoot beams.  They can fuck with her power level vs any exiting heros/villains with little effort.  Nothing was actually defined like Superman (“his skin is impenetrable, can shoot lasers from his eyes, frost breath, travel faster than the flash, is weak to kryptonite, ect).  She can fly, is tough, and can shoot energy beams from her hands at vague power levels.  It’s all good.

Anyways, it was a fun movie, worth a watch.  Certainly at the upper end of the Marvel films.

The amount of bile and hate that is being generated over this movie by the typical mob of entitled basement dwellers is astounding. No one has seen the movie yet because it released yesterday but for the last month all of these people somehow knew that it must be shit. Just because of shit an actor said.

This is getting really old.

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Yeah, we get it. You don't like her.

Yeah we get it, she doesn't smile enough (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/brie-larson-captain-marvel-smiling-controversy-demeaning-women-121631497.html), unlike her male counterparts.

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Also her Oscar award disagrees with you.

I don't even care for Brie Larson myself, but what a fucking stupid thing to post.  She's won an Oscar and a Golden Globe just to name the big ones.  You know, those awards you get for your ability to show/convey emotion.

Horseshit. Superman is like any other hero. In the right hands, he's amazing. Cinematically Richard Donner handled him perfectly. Unsurprisingly, Zach Snyder utterly fucked him up by removing the part that grounds him the most. The issue with Superman isn't that he has all his powers. It's that if a writer forgets what makes him "human" he loses his appeal. In Superman 1 there's a great theme running through it that even Superman can't prevent every tragedy and death. "With all my powers, I still couldn't save him."


Because of this meme I was genuinely surprised by how charming and fun she is in the movie. Don't get me wrong, I knew this was a bunch of sexist bullshit but the marketing does make her look like she is super serious at all times. I hadn't had much exposure to her except seeing her in Kong: Skull Island and I didn't really remember her much from that movie honestly. (I've only seen it once so mostly only the monster stuff stuck with me.) I, for one, can't wait to see her interact with Tony Stark in Endgame because her sarcasm should give him a run for his money.

I really liked Brie Larson in Scott Pilgrim vs the World, and I don't think she ever smiled once in that one.   :grin:

LOL I just watched that last night with my nephews. She's great in it, although I don't think I ever realized how uptight all the women are in that movie (probably because they all have some type of relationship with Scott, who's been a jerk to women and not owning up to it) In hindsight that movie has a ton of actors that had or are now playing in the comic book movie/show sandbox.

lol aren't you the guy who wanted a stuntwoman or something to play the role?

She was great in this movie, and she smiles plenty.  She plays a spectrum of emotions, and is generally a badass through all of it.  Like Cap, IM, Thor, and all the rest we do see moments of vulnerability, but she nailed those.  If she is a key cog for the next decade of Marvel movies, they're lucky to have her.

On a different note: Any theories on why they needed to set this in the 90s?  While there are some fun little continuity games they were able to pla with it set in the 90s, there did not seem to be any real important benefit to it.

Saw it; it was very 'meh'. A lot of wasted potential, imo, and much of that falls onto scripting and Larson. Just didn't enjoy her at all in this. Was also annoying how Mary Sue her character becomes. Not a bad movie, but the worst Marvel movie in awhile. It does set the table for some interesting stuff in the future (if done right).

I do find it hilarious how Feige considers Captain Marvel as one of the most popular Marvel characters, though, and the movie did come off as a 'this is our Wonder Woman!!', but not being as good as Wonder Woman (and I wasn't a huge fan of that movie either; albeit mostly due to the third act being absolutely trash).

I can only think of a couple of reasons. One, they wanted her to have grown into her powers and not still be learning them when it comes time for her to bitch slap Thanos and two, her friend's daughter later becomes a hero in her own right and this movie might have been a bit of a stealth origin for her.

I'm sure it was partly just because they thought it would be fun to do a movie set in the 90s. Also it's been suggested since Nick Fury's first post-credits scene in IM that there are other superheroes out there, but up until now that consisted of Cap back in WWII and that was about it. Thor presumably hadn't been to Earth prior to the first Thor movie, although maybe other Asgardians had popped in now and again. Maybe SHIELD knew of a previous Black Panther. Really though this establishes a bit more of the secret history of the MCU that Fury and SHIELD have been privy to.

Hmm.. I wonder why „being some sort of Mary Sue character“ gets never lobbed against all of the stunningly handsome billionaire vigilante super genius men who get all the girls and single handedly design and build arc reactors, advanced AIs or bat themed transportation. While cracking wise and kicking butt using twenty different fighting techniques.

 :headscratch:

Also I deduct nerd points for the Wonder Woman comparison because Captain Marvel is not a Wonder Woman copy.

It’s a Superman copy.

Well, I wish the MRA rebuke was a little stronger, 'cause I can't get it booked today.

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I don't think that's how Mary Sues work.

I don't think that's how Mary Sues work.
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Eh, normally, sure. But in this instance? I'd argue it is. Sure, it isn't exactly a shock in the MCU, but this was a bit much for me, personally.

A "Mary Sue" (male: "Gary Stu") is a character with *unearned* (in the narrative sense) hypercompetence and charisma. They show up and can immediately do everything well, everyone likes them, and they are moral paragons who never make mistakes.

If the narrative shows them growing, making mistakes, and becoming competent, they're not a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. That's why superheroes need an origin story.

--Dave

Oh, you're one of those.

Movie was good. As usual/common (for Marvel) the end was a bit eh, but they didn't draw it out overlong. Would have been better if it wasn't for the MCU stuff they load in to everything these days, given it's meant to be an origin movie.

"Power level" discussions in these movies is a bit dumb. They're all basically immortal and go from "just throws a good punch" to "can destroy a world just by closing their eyes and grimacing" whenever the plot needs it.

Enjoyed the movie. The crowd in the theater was very into it. I like these smaller-scale movies that focus on a few characters. The effects were 99% good. Fury's face bugged me for a minute in the beginning but then I guess my brain adjusted and it looked fine. Oddly enough the few parts in the trailer that look a little cartoony are about the only time in the movie that they look like that and it's very brief.  Also, the soundtrack is great.

Worth watching.

Credits scene:

On Brie Larson:

The Stan cameo was great, especially if you noticed that he was running lines for:



Overall I thought it was good. The plot structure was kinda weird so I think it had some pacing problems, but other than that a solid MCU film.

None of those things behind spoiler tags are a spoiler.

Consider this a service to people who haven't seen the movie yet.

If there was a spoiler in there it's that Stan Lee had a cameo at all. No big deal.

You must have really disliked Captain America and Thor. And Black Panther and Spiderman. And Dr Strange. OK basically all of them except maybe Iron Man.

"I'm searching for a reason why I can't like this movie, and this sounds plausible."

Yeah, Iron Man starts as a Gary Stu. He is fully capable of building the Mark 1 from the start of the movie and only gets more powerful from there.

woops, didn't see the next page.

Iron Man is one of my least favourite MCU characters for that reason, yes. A lot of the MCU characters suffer from the Gary/Mary Sue issue. I felt, however, that Captain Marvel "earned" it less than many of them (but no, not all). Overall, though, I really found her character to be un-likeable from the start and that stance never changed. I liked most of the secondary characters more than her. Some of that I think is because of Larson. A good deal of it, however, I think lies more on scripting and directing. Hardly the only issue I had with the movie, either. The major plot device (the FTL engine) being a gaping plot hole of stupidity and irrelevance throughout the movie being another.

Overall.. I felt it was 'meh'. Not a bad movie. Just.. didn't do anything for me. One of the weaker MCU offerings overall, imo. Right up there with several of the Iron Man and Thor films. Part of my issue with Captain Marvel is I was disappointed in it; I had hoped for better. I didn't have any issue with Brie Larson, the character (although, let's be honest -- Carol Danvers' most important contribution to the Marvel continuity is to lose her powers to Rogue) or making a Captain Marvel movie.

Just wasn't for me. Sucks for me, good for those that enjoyed it. I think the massive support for the film, along with the idiotic hate/trolling, is fairly moronic. Its overly politicised from the media and trolls regardless of the motive. It will be interesting to see how much it drops from week to week, and despite not being a fan of the movie, I'm hoping it actually continues to do well if only to help continue the trend of more female-led action movies and that it'll help pave the way for some that are, well, better movies.

I will admit that the engine bugged me. They're clearly using FTL otherwise getting from the capital world of the Kree to earth would take centuries if not more. I sort of hand waved it as "this one lets them go even faster and to different galaxies." In reality, I think the writers just didn't understand the science or figured most of the audience would be too dumb to call them on it.

Being super generous to them, it seemed a bit like the system they were using involved fixed jump points like some sort of artificial worm hole technology. The planets the Kree visited were clearly all known to them so I assume that that system is one that allows travel within the Kree space but isn't usable if you want to go somewhere the Kree can't easily find you.

Canonically, ships in the Marvel universe can jump between fixed jump points. If you jump too many times in a short period of time it fucks you up. As the main interstellar power, most of the jump points are controlled by the Kree. The 'lightspeed drive' is probably a thing that lets you jump without going through the Kree jump points - which would offer an escape route for the Skrulls.

I'll also echo Malakii's comments on Brie's acting. Without spoiling (because these are things from literally the first 5 minutes of the movie) the Kree culture is strict and the Supreme Intelligence encourages selflessness and sacrifice. It's clearly presented that Kree soldiers are meant to be automota that act for the good of the Kree Empire. Brie's character being pretty poe faced is what the fucking character is meant to be doing .

It's far from my favourite Marvel movie but it's definitely superior to Thor 1+2 for me or IM3. Not top tier but anyone who thinks this is the worst Marvel movie so far is not judging it on anything in the movie itself. My suspicion is that, like BP, we'll see the MRA outrage machine die down once the excitement is over and in a year everyone will have mysteriously forgotten how awful this was and be perfectly happy to have it be a solid origin story for the new Avenger in Marvel Wave 2.0. Unless they make her the main fixture of the new Avengers line up in which case the outrage will continue.

So my general fuel to the Captain Marvel is a movie fire....

You know in the 90s there was a rush to create a bunch of movies about a guy with no personality trait beyond ex-military going into warehouses and shooting up the bad guys for reasons ranging from "corporations are evil" to "corporations and the government are evil". If it wasn't for superhero movies, and the matrix we would probably get nothing but these types of movies of increasingly lazy production.

I wanted to double feature this with US but my wife thinks that US may be too scary for her so we watched this on Sunday because we're nerds who watch nerd shit because superpowers are the only things that is necessary to shill out the cash we wouldn't otherwise spend on another ex-military guy doing ex-military things warehouses movies.

Wife rates -D, I give it a C. This movie works fine in isolation, in some ways I suspect it was partially made in isolation. Parts work. Parts work really well. But this is probably the lowest effort marvel movie since before we stopped worrying about marvel movies over saturating the market with sequels of iron man and thor. Remember Thor 2, how no one remembers that movie exist? Or Iron Man 2, a movie that was supposed to be some retelling of the genie in the bottle storyline but instead became a movie only fit for small children. This kinda reminds me of that. The kids in the theater had a blast. The adults either chuckled or audibly groaned.

I give it a C because the supporting cast was top notch and everyone even characters we met for 5 minutes gives us something. They'd almost be the emotional core of the movie except for one nagging reason why my wife gives it an -D. Carl Danverse is a nothing character. Not sure why that is. Not sure how that happened. But for a movie in her namesake it doesn't do a good job of making me give a shit beyond how strong she is. Which is all you really come away with. None of her dialogue really works and she oscillated almost randomly between being quirky or serious. My only explanation now that I had an entire night to think about it is that maybe they were playing off her military background??? But that doesn't make sense or the writers just never met anyone in the armed forces. Definitely wasn't because she was a Kree soldier.The movie took the time to note how she constantly jokey and quirky she was around them.

I wouldn't call her a mary sue. Its not that she doesn't explicitly has flaws. It's just that the movie doesn't really challenge her at all. This is also helped by people who should be trying to kill her not trying to kill her. Which makes sense kinda and barely BUT it doesn't help the movie. Because a movie needs tension. Or a moment when our main character feels some sense of urgency. This is again left at the feet of the side characters (whose lives are very much in danger), but less so for the person you should really care about *cough*cptmarvel*cough*. I think the one common thing all good to great marvel movies have is that moment when their super powers don't feel all that super or all that special . Captain Marvel never has that moment so..... yeah.

DC put a lot of effort into making sure Wonder Woman didn't suck. Marvel...didn't. And DC may have tried that hard because either A. the producer actually liked the character this time or B. The studio was going to sacrifice the cast and crews first born daughters to lord satan... no one at Marvel was told "this has to work". And thats sad, because Marvel trademark is taking these B - C rated properties that no one outside of comics or really inside of comics because no one cared about the avengers in 2003... and putting love and craftsmanship into them. Like what studio would give a flying shit about antman. Marvel does. Guardians of the Galaxy. Marvel working overtime to make that work too. Ok but seriously who gives a shit about Doctor Strange? Marvel does. And sure Captain Marvel has objectively good movie ingredients. But I dare to ask...so what? Nothing objectively bad... ok 50% of the action scenes were very objectively bad... but nothing besides that objectively bad doesn't make a good movie. Doesn't make a bad one either so... meh. I could have saved 22 dollars.

iron man 2 had the suitcase

Iron Man 2 did nothing wrong, fuck all you haters.

On the one hand, Suitcase Silver Centurion Suit.

On the other hand, Criminally bad Fusion of Crimson Dynamo and Blacklash.

Gripping hand ;  film didn't really DO anything else with itself.  Solid support from Rhodey and Widow, I guess, but it WAS a kinda 'meh' film.


Not as bad as 3 though.   :why_so_serious:

"iron man 2 and 3 are bad"

"iron man is the only reason the mcu actually exists because rdj massively exceeded expectations with iron man 1"

while these can all be true

iron man 2 and 3 are still massively entertaining

bad is hulk and thor / 2

As weird as it feels to say, MediumHigh has a point that Danvers never really felt in danger. Possibly the only real tension point was . That is certainly true and there is a drop in the tension because of it but Superman movies have, when they've been good, done a very good job of creating tension around threats to the supporting cast. They could probably have done more to put her friends and allies in real peril or at least increase the tension when they are.

I just watched half the MCU crumble into dust with zero feeling that any of them were in any danger. Only feeling of danger they can scrounge up is when contracts end.

Exactly like reading an Avengers comic then.

I was thinking about this last night and I think I disagree. The specific example I had in my head was 24, where every fucking episode Jack Bauer's daughter gets kidnapped by the bad guys. The show can't put Jack in danger because the central conceit is that he's ridiculously badass and never loses a fight. So, rather than threatening him and introducing a weakness to the character, his daughter becomes the plot coupon that provides the necessary tension. This basically turns everybody in the movie who is Not Jack into a proxy for an actual existential threat to Jack himself. It's lame and it's shit. Even Superman could be personally threatened via Kryptonite, DC writers didn't need to dangle Lois over a volcano every episode to provide a conflict.

We don't really think she is on par with Superman, right?  She can't fly as fast as the Flash runs, she can't throw a moon, she can't see through walls, she can't hear around the world, ... she shoots powerful energy blasts, she is on Thor's playing field in terms of toughness, and she flies.  She also has a 'seventh sense' and can fly at lightspeed in space (survive in space)… but she is not Superman levels of power.  No Marvel character is.

When discussing MCU and tv/movie DC characters, nothing is really at peak canon power tiers. Smallville Superman was WAY slower than Flash, couldn't throw a moon, had x-ray vision, couldn't hear even more than a few miles away, etc. Movie Superman wasn't top tier Superman either.

I haven't seen Captain Marvel yet, but she's absolutely Marvel's Superman so to speak.

Different but same. Of course adjustments had to be made.

See I was actually thinking introducing tension less by having them be a proxy to Marvel but there were some points where there were concurrent threats going on. I think they kind of did try to have her allies facing danger and fighting without her but didn't really commit to it. Then again if they're not facing the main threat, their struggle doesn't hold as much tension and it would be a pretty brave decision to have the Big Bad defeated by the side characters while the main character holds off the distraction or similar. We should probably count ourselves lucky they didn't go the IM1 route and have the main adversary get a sudden and unexpected power up so that they could face off directly.

Just saw it awhile ago. I think it had a lot of good/great scenes but overall I'm not sure how I feel about it as a movie. As sometimes happens in comics movies I'm not sure if I should feel proud and happy or sad and pathetic that I knew who  was the moment I heard the name.

Loved all the actors in their various roles. I didn't care for the some of the creative changes made but whatever.

I'm not sure why it mattered so much, but the space crafts themselves don't use FTL but there are these "jump points" like B5.  I guess if you have FTL crafts you can't be tracked or captured.

In fact, the last two Thor movies both give examples of this (Dark World with Loki knowing secret ways out of Asgard to other planets/realms) and Ragnarok with all the wormholes leading to Sakaar. GotG2 also showed jump points in effect.

I enjoyed the movie. My 10yo daughter enjoyed it as well.

My only concern is she will take away the emotional investment in Infinity War.

Still a good movie.

Why?

Saw it, loved it.

Except the fight scenes, which were oddly shakycam bad.

But everything and everyone else was great.

Same here, also didn't like that she's not only never called captain marvel there is no reason for anyone to ever call her that.

I mean, movie-wise, when was the appropriate point for her to choose a superhero name? Or for anyone to name her? I mean maybe they could have shoehorned that into the end, but that would have felt hella cheesy.

The several times she called the little girl "liutenant trouble" would have been perfect for a name drop. Instead it seemed like they went out of their way to make sure nobody would ever call her Captain Marvel ("my name is Carol Danvers!" and "It's pronounced Mar-Vell, two words")

Well, yeah, but one of the themes of the movie was, you know, people trying to take away her name and identity, sooooo

It's still the name of the goddamn movie!

So was Zombeavers, but it was retarded when they said it.

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Such a weird thing to get hung up on. There really was no natural way to bring up that name.

I'm trying to remember - does anyone ever actually say 'Captain America?'  Isn't it always just 'the Captain' or 'Cap?'

Wasn't it the name of his USO show or whatever that they had him doing at the start of the movie?

Yeah, that's also how he got the goofy uniform.  Captain America wasn't my favorite Marvel movie by a long shot but I loved how they handled that whole thing.

It wasn't one of my favorites at the time either (it wasn't bad, it was just fine), but I think as Evans/Cap became one of the best things about the MCU I've started to like it a lot more.

Was there anyone confused by who Captain Marvel was? I mean do you think anyone left the theater going "So how come we never saw this 'Captain Marvel'?

I mean I admit, I can only assume she ended up being called Captain Marvel because she was a USAF Captain, and the origins of her particular abilities were closely tied to someone whose named sounded like "Marvel". I don't know for sure. I don't really care either, because I knew that was her superhero name before the movie started because I am not lying in a hospital with just a functioning brainstem.

I don't think so. I almost posted that in my reply but then thought I'd just missed something. It's always Captain or Cap or Rogers to my memory.

Yes, yes they do.

They have a whole musical number, school videos, a smithsonian exhibit, Phil Coulson's collectible card subplot all using the title.

Perhaps she'll decide to keep her identity a secret from the Avengers and will coin the name while looking at Cap.  "You can call me ... Captain ... Mar Vell..."

"Captain Marvel? How original?"

I was thinking that one of the other Avengers would just sarcastically call her "Captain Marvel' and it would catch on. In the next movie.

The whole "characters die and will return because Captain Marvell".

She's tacked on to the IW storyline, as opposed to Nebula, Black Widow, Ant-Man, Hawkeye, Rocket who are (by now) integrated into it.

I don't want Marvel to be the Mary Sue, no matter how much I enjoyed her origin story. She is 1 dimensional like Superman.

Then again, I want Banner to really be Loki in disguise and for Nebula and Gamora to defeat Thanos on two different realms.

I liked how they did it in the Ultimate universe, so maybe they can pull it off in a funny way like this:

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Yeah something like that would be great.

I saw it yesterday.  Quality-wise it was just the middle of the pack for me.   

 

Feige basically said that Endgame is just the first time Danvers responds to the pager going off; not that this is the first time the pager was used. Which is.. not a good route to go, imo, in terms of trying to explain it.

That actually seems reasonable.

I'd have to watch the first Avengers movie again but I right now I don't know:

1. when it was obvious Earth was facing a large scale invasion (most of the invasion force hadn't even reached Earth)

2. if there was ever a time it looked like the Avengers were losing.

I also saw somewhere that Fury had faith in the Avengers and only used it this time because things were so dire he didn't even know if the Avengers survived. I mean, honestly, they're just going to have to retcon which is pretty common in comics and stuff so I'm not too bothered.

I haven't seen the movie so maybe I'm missing some context but I don't see why Fury would bother with the pager unless the Avengers failed, as it was their first test as a team and I'm sure he wanted to see if they would be able to handle it so he wouldn't have to bother her all the time.

Feige did not exactly say she did not respond - just that he may have pressed the button before.  She may have shown up a few hours after the attacks on NY and Sokovia ... but been told the Avengers tok care of it.  She may have been having tea with Fury once a week for years.  We'll find out in Endgame, I imagine.

I really hope not. This is the sort of obtuse continuity that will always be more fun to watch a certain type of fan get worked up about than it would be to watch them ever resolve it.

If they do resolve it, I hope they go with "I lost the charger that year".

I'm sorry but why exactly is it relevant if she has/hasn't used that communicator? It sounds like a minor continuity error.

Ehh, I mean, it is the most glaring continuity issue.  It's probably the number one thing I've heard friends say after seeing the movie, both non-nerd and nerds.  "Wait, then where the fuck was she when earth almost got destroyed all these other times?"

They're going to have to at least throw something out there.  It shouldn't be hard to come up with an excuse though, so I'm not worried.

Edit:  Actually, she is flying at FTL speeds.  They could go full Interstellar and just say that to her she only left Earth a week ago when she gets back.   :awesome_for_real:

To be fair, the only time the Earth was actually in immediate danger of being destroyed was was in Thor 2, and Fury had no clue what was going on there until afterward. Avengers: The Chittari (sp?) invasion was barely started and only fucking up one city when Tony died for our sins closed the rift. Cap 2: Killing a few thousand political unreliables in an internal ideological squabble is not an existential threat. Avengers 2: Ultron barely managed to fuck up one city in an eastern European country nobody ever heard of.

None of it compared to killing half of everyone.

--Dave

Most of the other movies have taken place over the span of days, we have no idea how long it would take her to get back. Fury did call her in infinity war, see how that worked out?

JFC, sometimes I'm reminded of just how critical you motherfuckers can be. It was a good, fun movie, Brie Larson handled it well and I had zero problems with it. I laughed, there were some fun fights and Goose got to eat some shit, not to mention they set up at least one new wave Marvel character that can be part of Avengers 2.0.

and I haven't even mentioned how much I hated what they did to the Supreme Intelligence or the Skrulls.  :why_so_serious:

Waiting impatiently for Monica to get her own movie.

I liked Captain Marvel for the most part, but I would like to point out that you've also found pretty much every comic book movie released in the last several years to be varying degrees of fun including most of the DC movies. It may just be that you have a bit of a critical blind spot when it comes to any movie with superheroes in it.

Seems like an unnecessarily wordy way to say "you think superheroes are fun".   :awesome_for_real:

I've got to admit F13 movie threads irritate the fuck out of me as the monocle wearing afficionados surgically remove any fun they detect. :grin:

Yes, I do give superhero movies a lot of leeway, especially for characters I like (and I do like most of them). You could notice that I did shit all over the Venom trailer and haven't seen that movie yet mostly because I think the character is shit and any attempt to make it not shit is doomed to failure.

But yes, for the most part, I like superhero stories and will forgive them a lot. It's not my fault that Marvel formula has been successfully repeated with only slight tweaks for multiple characters. As much fun as I had with Suicide Squad, I recognize it was a really shitty movie, and I don't think I've ever been able to stomach Batman vs. Superman. Marvel's worst movies since IM1 (when the real MCU movies started) were Thor 2 and Ed Norton Hulk, and both of those were watchable but forgettable.

Carol Danvers as a character is a hardass. If you aren't going to go into the history of the character (and let's face if you can't because 1) mini skirt, 2) NOW Magazine, 3) abduction and rape by an interdimensional being that was applauded by the Avengers, 4) removal of her powers by Rogue who isn't even in the MCU yet, 5) Binary WTF? and 6) her bout with alcoholism), then the direction they took worked. Her arc was a pretty neat encapsulation of that history without the unfilmable (and thankfully forgotten) details and leaves a lot of room for sequels - considering she appears just as old in Endgame as she does in CM despite there being over 20 years between them, she's got room to have arcs where she's less assured of herself.

It's irrational hate desperately clinging to ridiculous reasons, much like the Star Wars movie threads.

Except the last few SW movies have been actual garbage, just not for a lot of the nitpicky reasons that get thrown out there.

Uh, hasn't everybody except maybe one person said they liked the movie in this thread?  There has been incredibly little criticism of the movie that I can see about the movie, so I'm not sure what your talking about.

Did you miss the last page of discussion about whether or not Carol Danvers is a Mary Sue?  :why_so_serious:

Yes, but that was the aforementioned one guy who didn't like the movie saying that and everybody else disagreeing....

That's a lot of words to say that you don't understand what art criticism is about.

It’s one thing to argue why you didn’t like something. It’s another thing if you basically use the lingo of the YouTube diversity hate squad in your argument.

Mary Sue gets thrown around so often nowadays by the sort of YouTuber and shitposter who also talks about Feminazis, SJWs and liberal agendas that I get extremely wary every time terms like this get used in an argument.

„I don’t like this“ I don’t mind. „YouTube told me I shouldn’t like this because reasons“ is a different matter though.

By all means, if some of you guys want to reduce all conversation about movies down to "Fun", you've got some bright futures ahead of you writing review blurbs for Shaq's movies once he gets his acting career going again.

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They use the phrase incorrectly which is annoying on its own.

Thor nearly killed Thanos solo and we're supposed to worry that he'll be ineffectual against Thanos in the next movie and need CM to beat him?  :oh_i_see:

It doesn't look all that hard to beat Thanos if your powers come from an infinity stone. Wanda was able to hold him off and destroy a gem at the same time. There's no telling what she could have done if she had just concentrated on kicking Thanos' ass.

All this pre emptive whining about CM in A:E (given that we don't even know who will be the big bad in A:E) is just dumb.

Yup, I don't get the power level conversation. She did nothing Thor couldn't have done.

It is kind of funny that Kevin Feige has been saying she is the strongest character in the MCU when you have Thor and the Scarlet Witch. I mean, she held off a nearly full power Thanos with one hand while utterly distracted.

Boy you sure proved the "monocle aficionados" part wrong.

Wait.  Strike that.  Reverse it.

People have been arguing about who can beat up who since there have been people to beat up.

It's a comic book movie for God's sake. Get over yourself.

I've forgotten what was said about the Kree in the first Guardians movie but it seems to me that the time between Capt. Marvel and Guardians could have seen Carol absolute decimate the Kree. There was no mention of the Nova Corps in Capt. Marvel, which leads me to believe that perhaps she had some hand in its creation, or at least that she could have. Plus, if the Kree were getting their shit kicked by her, maybe that's what turned Ronan the Accuser from his normal green armored self to the death-obsessed emo goth he was in Guardians.

You say that like there's no way to judge the quality of something like Batman v Superman against something like Into the Spider-verse.

Not expecting more from movies is how you get more shit movies. Comic book movies, Oscar-bait, art-house indie films. You can, and should, try to understand them.

Yeah I was thinking that. The Kree remnants are clearly still around and working with Ronan and it's interesting that you've essentially got the Xandarian Worldmind and the Kree Supreme Intelligence with neither making reference to the other. My best guess would be Carol helped the Nova Corps in kicking the Kree's asses. The fact that they were happily decimating worlds in their sphere of influence that had Skrulls on them, I'm guessing, proved to be a little too much. If Carol sufficiently weakened them then I could see the Kree empire signing a peace treaty with the Nova Corps to prevent war where they agreed to hand over the militant factions (such as the Accusers) and promise to actually treat worlds within the Kree empire with rights, etc.

It was clear in GotG that the Nova Corps had imposed some kind of peace treaty on the Kree and that Ronan and his boys were on the run for something. That makes as much sense as anything else but the idea of duelling AI led civilisations is a cool concept.

Ronan had become a renegade around the time of GotG due to disagreeing with the peace treaty with Xandar. Ronan's goal was basically Xandarian genocide.

Daleks and Movellans tried it.  It was a stalemate.

It was also a classic Star Trek episode where people reported in to get vaporized because a computer decided they died in an attack. Though in that case, the humans wanted the AI running the wars so they didn't have to deal with it anymore. If memory serves Kirk "solved" the problem by blowing up both computers and forcing them to kill each other the old fashioned way.

A Taste of Armageddon.  And you remember correctly.  Kirk talking computers to death or otherwise just blowing them up to solve a problem was a recurring theme.  I can remember it happening three times off the top of my head, but I know there were more.

Late to the party but I saw this tonight. I'd put it towards the upper-mid tier of Marvel movies; it wasn't phenomenal but it was good. As a 90s kid I'm admittedly biased towards all the nostalgia.

Saw it finally this weekend.

Good, not great. Enjoyed it. It felt a bit like a reversion back to the Phase I movies, though: a lot of effort going into establishing a character and premise so that something can be done with the character and premise later on.

I agree with that; I assumed it was because she is one of the core members of the post-Endgame MCU so they wanted to give her a proper introduction.

This is what's so interesting about MCU Spider-Man: we join him in media res, without that sense that a bunch of things have to happen in order to establish his premise in order to begin to tell good stories with him.

I kind of wish they'd done the same for Doctor Strange: bring us in to his world with him an already-functioning hero, then work the backstory in as things progress. But I get it--Spider-Man is as familiar as Batman in this sense; the others aren't.

Also, he's had so many fucking origin films now, it's just stupid.

Hands up, anyone who went to see Civil War or Homecoming, and was confused about how Peter got his powers, or why Tony was never introduced to Uncle Ben?

--Dave

Though actually, I will say that at this point, there are only three MCU super-powered people who did not get their powers from alien tech/the Infinity Stones at this point: Spider-Man, Captain America and the Hulk. Of them, two of their origins are now linked (Hulk/Captain America). Peter actually has the weirdest origin in MCU terms, even if it's comic-book ordinary--there is literally no one else unless we count Netflix Daredevil who has gotten powers from the conventional exposed-to-radioactivity-by-accident thing.

To be fair, there were 5 spider man movies in the 15 years or so before Spider-Man appeared in the MCU and two of them were origin stories. I think they can get away with not doing the origin in that case and were probably trying to actively avoid the feeling of yet another reboot.  Dr. Strange and Captain Marvel are not so well known.

While that is all true, these are not complex stories, nobody would ever have been confused if they skipped an origin film and watched a sequel.

On the other hand, the origin MCU films are consistently better than the sequels. So there's that.

Captain America: Winter Soldier is better than First Avenger.

But for Thor and Iron Man, yeah.

Dr. Strange only gets one of his powers from an Infinity Stone.

Iron man? Ant Man? Hawkeye? Black Widow? They didn't get powers by accident - but no alien tech involved afaik.

I just assumed he was talking about humans with actual super powers. There's a number of people who have non-alien tech, or are actual aliens. Black Panther is borderline as his tech and powers come from an alien metal.

I can't agree. Does Winter Soldier get awesome in the second half, because I watched First Avenger, and still haven't finished Winter Soldier...

Winter Soldier is one of the best MCU films.

Yeah, that was good start to finish.

Odd. Wasn't working for me and generally not the view I get from the people in know IRL who like Marvel movies either. C'est la vie I guess.

Everyone I know including myself consider it to be one of the best. It's certainly in the top 3 for me.

It’s still my #1.

Guardians of the Galaxy would probably be the biggest competition for my #1 slot, but it's close enough that which one is actually my favorite would fluctuate constantly.

GotG is my top pick for the Marvel Universe. Winter Soldier and Thor Ragnorak compete for second place.

i'm not going to quote it since we are a stone age forum software with no tagging

but how the fuck does one have "emotional investment" in infinity war

it was a movie that didn't matter, it's literally the LEAST emotional and MOST inconsequential movie in the entire mcu

edit: oh, another page and setanta is the first response - perfect, explain yourself

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also explain this

His powers come from a plant.  His suit is made of an alien metal.

I have plenty of emotional investment in Infinity War because 1) most of the characters are either ones that I've loved since I was a kid or because there have been a decade worth of well-developed movies about many of the characters and 2) the ending.

You may say that "oh the ending is just going to get undone and everyone will live!" Yeah, I don't think that's a stone cold certainty. There will be some undoing of it but I don't expect MCU Phase 2 or 3 or whatever is after Infinity War is going to have the same cast of characters nor do I think all of those characters make it out alive.

True, however the plant was mutated by the alien metal.

I find it hard to care about the avengers movies at all. Firstly because only avengers assemble was any good, secondly because the way disney uses them primarily to reorganise the brand line up shows through a bit too obviously. Same problem crossover 'events' have in the comics.

There are some cool explosions and jokes. I'll sit through them happily for that reason.

I enjoyed it more than the other movies.

Granted CA is my favorite hero of all time but I really do think CA:TFA is underrated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DXG4lm-CNo

Finally saw this. Was solid though lacking enough specialness to overcome the fact that the character means nothing at all to me and has boring power/origin/background.

Not a bad day at the movies but mainly because it signaled that Endgame is next and it had been awhile since I'd seen a comic in theaters having skipped Ant Man 2 and Aquaman and whatever else I skipped between Infinity War and now.

I can understand why you skipped those two, but if you haven't done it already, you should catch up on Ant Man 2. It's about 500% better than the first one and legitimately a top tier MCU movie. Aquaman was shit though, you missed nothing by skipping that one.

I'll second Iain's recommendation, Ant Man 2 is solid.

I prefer MCU when it's doing smaller, character driven stuff. The first Spidey, Cap: 1st Avenger, Ant-Man.

Though my favorite thus far is probably Thor Ragnarok.

Aquaman is fucking DC you infidels. Also none of the MCU movies are bad enough to skip. No, not even that one.

Yeah, I have to chime with to agree that Ant-Man and Wasp is a whole lot better than the first Ant-Man (and I liked the first one). It's a more solid story, better fights and visuals, just top-notch all-around. I regret not having seen it in the theater.

I like the stupid over the top stuff. GotG, Thor:Ragnarok, Avengers: Infinity War.

Iron Man is the only "earth" movie I really enjoy (The first Avengers movie is pretty decent tho).

Finally watched the rest of winter soldier, and enjoyed it a bit, but it's still not my preferred style.


I saw it at the movies and it's decent, but nothing really amazing about it that stands out either. Maybe as a "MCU fan" you bring enough other stuff in to enjoy it, but as a standalone movie the highs and lows were fairly flat?

Not going to watch a 12 minute video on it but it's a solid movie made better by the fact that Cap's had the best arc across his movies. Also I'd say Hayley Atwell is the best love interest in any of the MCU movies but I don't want to diminish her role by reducing her simply to Cap's love interest. As much I liked the Netflix shows (at least when they were really on their game), we should be talking about a revival of Agent Carter before pushing for the Netflix stuff to be brought back.

I wasn't a huge fan of Sebastian Stan as Bucky but from Winter Soldier on I think he's done an awesome job, again making me retroactively like him in TFA more. The supporting cast is stacked pretty deep with talent as well like Toby Jones, Neal McDonough, Dominic Cooper, Stanley Tucci, and Tommy Lee Jones. So yeah, good movie. If there's one thing I kinda don't like about it, it's that the majority of his time in WWII is reduced to a montages. I understand they had to get him to the present by the end of the movie to set up Avengers though.

Yeah the movie sort of falls apart after Cap rescues Bucky and the Howling Commandos.

Every single MCU movie falls apart in the third act.

The formula seems to require it.

That is ridiculously untrue.

This bickering is amusing when it's pretty much fact that Spiderverse is the finest superhero movie of all time in all respects.

Well duh. That's a given.

The Incredibles.

Fight me.

Doesn't even compare to Spiderverse. Not even in the same league.

Nope.

Incredables was great, but it was not without its problems, mainly coming from the Randian things that were mixed in with it which spoiled the story for me. The big one for me was that the Villians goals were not actually that bad. He basically long term wanted to give everyone superpowers, and that was supposed to be the shocking horrible future because that means no-one would stand out and be extraordinary. That ties into the Father talking about how everyone seems to want to be mediocre, and the whole thing about suppressing people with superpowers because society wanted conformity, which is very Randian attitude.

They were small things because you will correctly argue that the Villains methods were the problem, but it spoiled the thing a bit for me. Not to the extent of saying it wasn't a great movie, because it was, but it means there are little niggles in my head when I think about it.

Sorry, not even close. And I liked the Incredibles.

Spiderverse was magic. Bottled. Distilled. Offered up to you on a platter.

This is now the first 1b solo debut movie.

Pattern of the Netflix Marvel series too.

Strong opening => build tense narrative => look over here at mediocre secondary villain for 3-4 episodes => end main plot

Except for Jessica Jones.