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Title: SHAZAM!
Post by: Ginaz on July 22, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
Ok, this looks dumb as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6GEIrcvFY

Edit by Trippy: fixed link to proper WB version (fuck all the channels that reupload trailers)


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: MahrinSkel on July 22, 2018, 06:33:57 PM
Ok, this looks dumb as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6GEIrcvFY

Edit by Trippy: fixed link to proper WB version (fuck all the channels that reupload trailers)

PG Deadpool starring Chuck. Nope, I'm waiting for Netflix and boredom.

--Dave


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: schild on July 22, 2018, 06:39:43 PM
it's gonna be the second best DC movie

you just watch


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Teleku on July 22, 2018, 07:01:07 PM
*insert 'prettiest ballerina in all of Ohio' joke here*


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: schild on July 22, 2018, 07:18:04 PM
the bar IS really low


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Soulflame on July 22, 2018, 07:19:14 PM
Wow, that is utter drek.

Not even with someone else's money.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: schild on July 22, 2018, 07:19:55 PM
gonna be better than thor ragnarok underwater


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: HaemishM on July 22, 2018, 09:22:35 PM
I like it.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: schild on July 22, 2018, 10:14:05 PM
case in point


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Ironwood on July 23, 2018, 12:08:31 AM
I dunno.  Is Sarah going to be with Chuck at any point ?


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Amarr HM on July 23, 2018, 02:51:36 AM
Greatest American Hero reboot?


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Reg on July 23, 2018, 03:48:44 AM
Looks like fun to me. At least it's not more of that grimdark bullshit that they ruined Superman with.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Soulflame on July 23, 2018, 08:55:31 AM
gonna be better than thor ragnarok underwater

They are both going to be terrible.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Khaldun on July 23, 2018, 09:20:03 AM
I at least like that it's not grimdark.

It's also really the fundamental premise of Shazam/Captain Marvel; it's possible that any faithful treatment of it would be something all of you would hate. It's basically the film "Big" crossed with Superman--like if your wish to be grown-up didn't make you a successful toy executive but instead made you Superman.

The problem really begins maybe with the ways the culture has changed since "Big" was made. It's hard now to believe that any eleven or twelve-year old boy turned into a late twenties/early thirties adult would have the experience the character in Big had. First because any employer faced with a person with no background would not hire them in any role--the kind of mobility that "Big" was playing with has more or less ceased in American corporate life. Second because there are plenty of men who've never grown up, and the worlds of childhood and adulthood have merged in general in the culture in ways that were simply not true in 1988 or in the 1940s when Captain Marvel was first created. Third because the really gentle way that "Big" opened up sexuality also would just not work now--Josh's relative innocence was seen ultimately as charming by the woman executive who pursues a relationship with him; today I think she would assume he was a scary pedophile whose interest in toys was evidence of something wrong. Plus I would guess that most twelve-year old boys today have seen pornography online that twelve-year old boys in 1988 might have glimpsed only briefly when they found some hobo's stash of filth in a tree near the park. etc.

Fourth also basically we've done so much deconstruction of superheroes, esp. Alan Moore in Miracleman (a direct riff on Shazam) that our assumptions about a 14-year old boy suddenly given Superman's powers are pretty dark now in terms of what we'd expect to happen next.

So this takes a pretty deft hand to steer this property back into some space of cultural plausibility. Being more wise-assed about it is one of the most likely ways to go that I can think of.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Father mike on July 23, 2018, 09:37:50 AM
This is going to be "Green Lantern 2" on more levels than I have the energy to count.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: DevilsAdvocate25 on July 24, 2018, 04:33:23 PM
Fourth also basically we've done so much deconstruction of superheroes, esp. Alan Moore in Miracleman (a direct riff on Shazam) that our assumptions about a 14-year old boy suddenly given Superman's powers are pretty dark now in terms of what we'd expect to happen next.

This is a problem in our society. Why can't we have movies about kids that are just awkwardly trying to figure out how to be a hero? Why have we gone from steering kids away from graphic violence to *wink-nudge* you don't have to play Mortal Kombat, but all the cool kids are, so check out this graphic fatality?

How many kids have any of us been around who would use new super powers to kill bullies and rob stores? Most I have been around would use it for insta-fame on the internet. Many of the kids I have been around would want to help their families and their friends. They would reach out and try to get help in understanding how to use their new powers to help. It seems like treacle bullshit, but in healthy families, this is how kids are being raised. Why do we need another movie about bullied kids that are telling bullied kids that once you have power, violence is the only solution?


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: TheWalrus on July 24, 2018, 04:37:39 PM
I'm excited to see Big with a cape. I don't need some deep moral undercurrent.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Khaldun on July 24, 2018, 07:19:20 PM
Yeah, it works for me as a basic premise. But I get why it takes a deft touch.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Sir T on July 25, 2018, 03:37:46 PM
Anything but Carrie or Firestarter please. I'd give this a look.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: TheWalrus on July 25, 2018, 04:22:52 PM
Carrie was already redone. (I enjoyed it) I haven't seen a Firestarter remix or mention of it yet. Yet. I would like to see an updated Christine.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Sir T on July 25, 2018, 07:29:39 PM
There's a Firestarter remake in the works, though its still at the "Director being replaced is news" stage.

https://screenrant.com/stephen-king-firestarter-movie-director/

There was also a Sequel of sorts made in 2013 called "Firestarter: Rekindled."


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: HaemishM on April 06, 2019, 04:24:51 PM
If you haven't gone to see this, you damn well should. If you like comic book movies, you should go see this. This is hands down the best DC movie that has been done since the Nolan Batman films. It is on a par with some of the better Marvel movies - I'm not putting it in the Guardians/Winter Soldier level, but it's every bit as good as both Ant-Man's, Dr. Strange and Capt. Marvel. Zach Levi and the kids in this are great fun to watch.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Reg on April 06, 2019, 06:19:57 PM
It looks like all of the predictions of doom have failed to come to pass. How startling.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Threash on April 07, 2019, 08:09:49 AM
I didn't think it was that great to be honest. I liked the guy who played Billy and some of the humor but for the most part it felt like much more of a kids movie than any other superhero film to date, including actual cartoons.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: HaemishM on April 07, 2019, 09:26:03 AM
That's a pretty rough kid's movie what with



Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Threash on April 07, 2019, 09:28:35 AM
Thought you were going to say the boardroom scene.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Raguel on April 07, 2019, 09:54:42 AM
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Watched this yesterday. I enjoyed it, although I'm not sure I  liked their approach with Billy but I can see why they chose this route. I enjoyed their focus on family.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: HaemishM on April 07, 2019, 09:59:14 AM
Thought you were going to say the boardroom scene.

I'm not sure that kind of violence even phases kids these days, at least not kids over the age of like 7 or 8. The emotional impact of the scene I'm talking about was a lot more mature and dark than I expected.

EDIT: And I should say it was dark without being grimdark. That's I think the big difference between this and the earlier DCEU movies - the scenes with Clark's parents had a whole lot less emotional weight than any moment Billy had with any of the family, foster or real.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Abagadro on April 07, 2019, 03:26:07 PM
Enjoyed it quite a bit.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Sir T on April 07, 2019, 04:06:31 PM
People take their kids to see the Saw movies these days. I dont think violence would phase them after that shit.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Soulflame on April 07, 2019, 08:07:37 PM
The word is faze, not phase.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: schild on April 07, 2019, 08:54:52 PM
The word is faze, not phase.

depends on what the violence is doing, it probably won't phase them either is what i'm saying


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: HaemishM on April 08, 2019, 02:09:51 PM
It won't. In the board room scene, one dude gets his head literally chomped off by one of the seven deadly sins, but there's no blood or gore shown. Today's kids won't bat an eyelash at it.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: DevilsAdvocate25 on April 10, 2019, 12:18:52 PM
Fourth also basically we've done so much deconstruction of superheroes, esp. Alan Moore in Miracleman (a direct riff on Shazam) that our assumptions about a 14-year old boy suddenly given Superman's powers are pretty dark now in terms of what we'd expect to happen next.

This is a problem in our society. Why can't we have movies about kids that are just awkwardly trying to figure out how to be a hero? Why have we gone from steering kids away from graphic violence to *wink-nudge* you don't have to play Mortal Kombat, but all the cool kids are, so check out this graphic fatality?

How many kids have any of us been around who would use new super powers to kill bullies and rob stores? Most I have been around would use it for insta-fame on the internet. Many of the kids I have been around would want to help their families and their friends. They would reach out and try to get help in understanding how to use their new powers to help. It seems like treacle bullshit, but in healthy families, this is how kids are being raised. Why do we need another movie about bullied kids that are telling bullied kids that once you have power, violence is the only solution?

I saw this yesterday with my kids. It actually answered my questions. You CAN do a good movie that shows how a good kid would use his new-found powers. Internet fame and making some side money showing off are part of it. Even violence not being the only solution was addressed. Aquaman had a similar scene where the protagonist tries to talk the antagonist out of fighting. I think DC writers are starting to remember what being a hero is supposed to mean.

The comedy in it is pretty funny too, even when playing on some of the tropes from other superhero films.

P.S. For Walking Dead fans, Jerry has a pretty good role in the movie.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Abagadro on April 10, 2019, 09:16:02 PM


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Setanta on April 16, 2019, 09:26:55 PM
Took my 10yo daughter to see this today. She is normally not a DC fan "Superman is boring, Batman needs to get over himself" sort of kid who enjoyed WW and Aquaman. She really enjoyed Shazam as did I. It wasn't cerebral, it wasn't grimdark, it was just a thoroughly enjoyable film. Mark Strong made an excellent villain - he could pull off a fantastic Lex Luthor I suspect. Zachary Levi was great as a kid in an adult body. You could see touches of Big happening (including the floor piano) without him trying to be Tom Hanks. The supporting cast did their job well. The cameo at the end in the lunch room was a nice touch.

If DC can start making more films in the vein of this and Aquaman and lose the dark elements of Superman and BvS then they might actually go places.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Khaldun on April 17, 2019, 06:49:00 AM
I really enjoyed this. I was surprised and pleased that they didn't save


for a sequel.

Just generally, I thought this was a great job of rethinking the original property for a contemporary film--way better than DC itself has been in some of its bad attempts to freshen-up or revive these characters over the years. Making Billy Batson not a sickly-sweet paragon of virtue, making his adopted family so emotionally resonant (often Billy has operated on his own, with his adopted family except for Mary being quite secondary to his life), giving Freddy a distinctive personality, etc, all very smart. Making Captain Marvel himself (though what ARE they going to call him? He can't say his own name if his character's name is Shazam) be goofy and child-like in such a full-on way is great--the early version of the character was so stolid and boring because of "the wisdom of Solomon", with all the child-like fun being in the cartoonish villains and the sidekicks like Uncle Dudley and Tawky Tawny. Just overall a smart example of adapting existing intellectual property to make a new version suited to its own time and place.

Lot of fun Easter Eggs too if you know the character. If they go for the full Monster Society of Evil in a sequel, they've got Sivana and Mr. Mind already. Not sure what they're doing with Dwayne Johnson playing Black Adam, but maybe they'll have that rolling so he could fit in.  We saw Crocodile Men, so they're in. Mister Atom.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: HaemishM on April 17, 2019, 07:14:46 AM
The portrayals of the adopted family were taken directly from the DC mini-series Flashpoint including the powers they portrayed as the Marvel family. Since Geoff Johns wrote that and has been heavily involved in charting the creative direction of both the TV and movie properties since Snyder bowed out of Justice League, his influence in the story is pretty significant. The family was just awesome, IMO.

I think Black Adam is going to have a standalone movie that will probably only loosely tie into this one, but I don't know how much has been said about it beyond that.


Title: Re: SHAZAM!
Post by: Samwise on May 11, 2019, 12:26:27 PM
Saw this last night.  Afterwards my girlfriend turned to me and said "wait, that was a DC movie?  It was so... GOOD."  Pretty much sums it up.