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Title: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on September 20, 2017, 05:29:38 PM
Surprised we don't have a topic for this. I thought it was a pretty amazing show for a network sitcom--structurally very clever, with an interesting twist every single episode, including the brilliant twist of the first season finale.

Premiering tonight at 10PM EST.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: HaemishM on September 20, 2017, 09:29:16 PM
I was skeptical of the show when I saw the first trailers but my buddy made me watch the first 15 minutes of the first episode and I was hooked. My wife decided she wanted to watch it too and we both loved it. The twist at the end was brilliant, though I do wonder how long they can keep the premise going.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Big Gulp on September 20, 2017, 11:08:45 PM
Tonight's premiere was just brilliant.  Loved the new tortures for Tahani especially.  Really, really loved how Michael-centric it's become, and the manic, desperate flailing as he watches his vision collapse is hilarious.  Did I mention that I love the concept of butthole spiders?  I do.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on September 21, 2017, 03:37:34 PM
Yeah, they kept up the twists and turns. My guess would be that next somehow these four people have changed sufficiently through being tortured that the opposite is happening--they're growing towards The Good Place in ways that are persisting each time Michael restarts the experiment. Which I suspect could be the next twist: what if Michael is a double-agent trying to rescue people from The Bad Place? (Or what if he has to flee with the four of them towards The Mediocre Place in order to escape 'retirement'?) Lots of fun potential, and I suspect they'll keep us guessing throughout.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Ironwood on September 23, 2017, 12:51:25 PM
Tonight's premiere was just brilliant.  Loved the new tortures for Tahani especially.  Really, really loved how Michael-centric it's become, and the manic, desperate flailing as he watches his vision collapse is hilarious.  Did I mention that I love the concept of butthole spiders?  I do.

Where you been ?


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on September 23, 2017, 07:31:50 PM
I call Tuesday "butthole spider committee meeting", so I had to rethink everything about my present life.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Big Gulp on September 25, 2017, 09:48:41 PM

Where you been ?

I lurk.  🙂 I've got 4 kids now and a business to run.  So while I still try to cram in a little gaming at work I don't usually have much time anymore for message boards.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on September 30, 2017, 07:10:25 AM
Holy shirtballs, but this show manages to surprise every time. They just blew up a season's worth of plots in a single episode and it was amazing.

I'm pretty sure now that the whole thing is set in Michael's Bad Place and that Janet is the one doing it--the Good Place is experimenting with whether they can make Bad Place demons into better beings. Or something like that.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: jgsugden on September 30, 2017, 08:34:37 AM
Or, what if Michael is in the bad place and being tortured by constantly failing with the threat of being ended for all eternity looming.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Riggswolfe on October 01, 2017, 12:22:41 AM
I kind of thought Michael would end up where he is but I thought it'd be at least half a season. My only worry with this show is how long until they run out of new plot twists to throw at us?


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: jgsugden on October 01, 2017, 01:45:56 AM
They have an outline for the entire series, so they at least have a plan.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Draegan on October 11, 2017, 12:27:26 PM
I just stumbled upon this on Netflix and binged the first 10 eps of season 1.

Holy shit this show is great.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Merusk on October 13, 2017, 09:32:25 AM

Where you been ?

I lurk.  🙂 I've got 4 kids now and a business to run.  So while I still try to cram in a little gaming at work I don't usually have much time anymore for message boards.


4 kids? Shit, dude. I've been curious about the business, last we heard regularly from you, you were just getting started.  You should share pics of your proudest sometime.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: schild on October 13, 2017, 09:52:20 AM

Where you been ?

I lurk.  🙂 I've got 4 kids now and a business to run.  So while I still try to cram in a little gaming at work I don't usually have much time anymore for message boards.

4 kids? I remember you having zero.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 13, 2017, 11:47:06 AM

Where you been ?

I lurk.  🙂 I've got 4 kids now and a business to run.  So while I still try to cram in a little gaming at work I don't usually have much time anymore for message boards.

4 kids? I remember you having zero.

We old.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Ironwood on October 15, 2017, 04:32:32 PM
This show is hilarious.  8 episodes in.  Literally have not laughed so much in a while.  The leaving party Tahani threw was the best thing I've seen Danson do ever and what was worse he totally captured the essence of my character.  Was like looking in a mirror.

God, sore sides right now.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on November 05, 2017, 07:37:07 PM
In the mid-season finale, why does that last scene with Eleanor and Michael feature constant shots through the window? That struck me as super-deliberate.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on December 24, 2017, 10:37:50 AM
Watching some of the first season again and it's amazing. Sometimes when something has a big twist, it ruins what came before it, because either it doesn't seem that the earlier part of the story is consistent with the twist, or everything is made irrelevant by it. In this case, it's the opposite--everything takes on a new meaning while still being extremely funny, and you can see from the first moment that the big twist was completely planned all along.

Danson's smile when his big secret is revealed is one of the great bits of comedic acting ever.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: NowhereMan on January 05, 2018, 04:48:16 AM
I've found even my girlfriend enjoys this show and she hates both comedy and fantasy/sci-fi stuff. This is practically the only thing on TV that doesn't feature British aristocracy/royalty that she's willing to watch.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: eldaec on January 05, 2018, 05:18:14 AM
More people discovering this show keep lighting up this thread and making think "hey, new episodes". But then there are no new episodes and I'm sad again.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on January 05, 2018, 07:48:26 AM
But now there are new episodes!

Last night's was good, but I'm waiting for the next shoes to drop.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: eldaec on March 09, 2018, 12:19:57 PM
I think this went off the boil just a little when they left the neighbourhood.

But still great and still looking forward to what they do with it next.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on March 09, 2018, 12:58:10 PM
It'll be interesting to see what they do next, yeah. Lot of ways they can twist or turn the situation.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Nebu on March 09, 2018, 04:20:32 PM
You know when I say 'ashhole, I mean ashhole' right?  What the fork?


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: NowhereMan on March 25, 2018, 01:06:02 PM
I think this one is going to find it really hard to hit the perfect pacing and rewatchibility of season 1. It worked well enough and I found it even sweet at times but I'm not sure how they stretch it out past a season 3. Perhaps they end up in the Good Place, discover it's actually pretty rubbish and overthrow the entire concept of an after-life? As a philosophy nerd I have to admit I do enjoy seeing some of the concepts being thrown around. Not super deep but how many modern sitcoms quote Kant on the regular? :grin:


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: palmer_eldritch on March 25, 2018, 02:15:41 PM
The end of seaso  two seemed to be a natural ending for the show. I really think they should just have stopped there


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: jgsugden on March 25, 2018, 06:11:56 PM
Season 2 went someplace new.  Season 3 will probably twist into something unexpected just when we get used to the new status quo.  I have faith they'll keep this going for an interesting 5 year journey.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on March 25, 2018, 06:16:10 PM
I am so impressed with these guys--and they stay funny no matter what the twist--that they can go as long as they want, as far as I'm concerned.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: lamaros on April 06, 2018, 08:12:24 AM
This really is a good series and I don't think it needs another season.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: jgsugden on April 06, 2018, 03:16:23 PM
This really is a good series and I don't think it needs another season.
Why?  Because you don't see where it can go?  I trust them to find a good and interesting path.  Keep it coming.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: lamaros on April 06, 2018, 03:45:48 PM
This really is a good series and I don't think it needs another season.
Why?  Because you don't see where it can go?  I trust them to find a good and interesting path.  Keep it coming.

Because it's done a pretty good job and hit a neat point to leave on.

They could do more seasons and they could be good and I will watch them too. I don't mean that it shouldn't have any more seasons, just that I don't think it needs them.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: NowhereMan on April 09, 2018, 12:51:15 PM
Yeah, I'd be happy with it ending there. I'd also haven been happy with them finishing Season 1 where they did.

I'm curious if they'll take it in the direction of changing up approaches to the afterlife? Like exploring reincarnation or purgatory type settings? I really like the show but it's hard to see where they can get themes to carry the newer series from that won't feel weirdly forced.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: jgsugden on April 09, 2018, 04:47:57 PM

Well, the start of Season 3 seems like it will take place on 'Earth' with the quartet continuing their 'lives', but being drawn to each other.  I'm imagining there will be a storyline about Michael breaking the rules by drawing them together or something... my question is: Is that one episode, or all of Season 3?  I trust in them, but have no confidence I can predict where they're headed more tha n 5 minutes of show out...


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: NowhereMan on April 10, 2018, 01:01:20 PM
I strongly suspect they end up on earth, are drawn together while Michael and the Judge watch. Then Sean arrives from the Bad Place and accuses Michael of making the test unfair, demands he gets dropped into the simulation and more hijinks. I don't think they will keep to a vanilla earth situation, the question is what kind of growth the characters manage to achieve? That's been the bit of this show that has kept it from getting stale set up wise, the characters have all shown some kind of growth (aside from probably Jason and somewhat Chidi). I guess it might be interesting to have a major arc of Sesaon 3 being Eleanor helping Chidi to actually improve, which would be a great mirror to season 1. In some ways the backdrop situation is less important than keeping the characters from getting stale.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on April 10, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
I still like the idea that this is all actually an experiment of The Good Place that has gone sideways in some way, maybe by redeeming a demon more effectively than it has allowed people to overcome damnation. It would be kind of hilarious if the experiment is a wager between Kant and Schopenhauer or something like that.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: NowhereMan on April 10, 2018, 01:41:25 PM
 :awesome_for_real: Actually having a Season 3 or 4 twist where this is all a wager between Sean and the Judge (actually from the Good Place) about demons being redeemable would be a pretty awesome 1-up twist. Or revealing this Janet is actually the original Janet and thus God (or something).

I suspect the growth of Janet is going to have some kind of big metaphysical pay off since she seems to be pretty much omnipotent within her programming and that is now glitched.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: eldaec on April 10, 2018, 02:00:41 PM
Hmmm.

The problem with twists like that is they are not likely to compare well with the original twist which was so well embedded in s1 performances.

It seems a bit cheap to tell us s2 and s3 are not an honest PoV of the main cast. Possible to do it with a new or minor character ofc - but really hard to do it as well as last time. Every other line in the first few episodes is telling you the s1 twist, it only stays at all hidden if you aren't looking.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on April 10, 2018, 04:14:33 PM
Well, think about it, they have iterated new situations and characters over time: the first Bad Place group; Sean; the Medium Place; more Bad Place people; the Judge. There's room for them to suddenly "widen out" the scope with something that functions like a twist: that none of this is what it seems, and that all the characters have the wrong idea, even the demons. Janet seems the obvious macguffin to use to change the status quo yet again, considering Michael's story of how he acquired her. An omni-capable automaton associated with Heaven brought into Hell with the idea that she'd lend it all a 'real' heavenly feeling? In retrospect that seems like a plan almost destined to go wrong.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: lamaros on April 11, 2018, 12:12:57 AM
I still like the idea that this is all actually an experiment of The Good Place that has gone sideways in some way, maybe by redeeming a demon more effectively than it has allowed people to overcome damnation. It would be kind of hilarious if the experiment is a wager between Kant and Schopenhauer or something like that.


Re Kant and Schopenhauer: I don't think the show can lean that far in to philosophy without losing the balance it currently has - but certainly your first sentence is where I thought the show was going at various points, and I wouldn't be surprised if it still ends up there.

Edit: To be honest, this would make a far more interesting Season 3 than continuing down some soap opera route with the Earth simulation. This show is far more interesting, and funnier, when its characters don't have any sure footing.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: eldaec on April 11, 2018, 02:44:30 AM
At the end of last season I assumed next step was Michael and Janet in the real world.

'Retirement' is also unexplored.

Real world and 'Retirement' being the same thing is not out of the question.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: NowhereMan on April 11, 2018, 12:00:16 PM
Hmmm.

The problem with twists like that is they are not likely to compare well with the original twist which was so well embedded in s1 performances.

It seems a bit cheap to tell us s2 and s3 are not an honest PoV of the main cast. Possible to do it with a new or minor character ofc - but really hard to do it as well as last time. Every other line in the first few episodes is telling you the s1 twist, it only stays at all hidden if you aren't looking.

If the other characters are in on it? Yeah that wouldn't work so well. Having either 1) Everyone else being dupes or 2) Sean and Janet being in on it in some way would be interesting. I think it works well at continuing to widen the world but I don't think it will work as well as the s1 twist, partly because you can't just keep coming up with twists and them working as well and partly because I don't think this has been as neatly planned from the beginning. They definitely need to work in someone from the actual Good Place though.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: jgsugden on April 11, 2018, 12:22:06 PM
At the end of last season I assumed next step was Michael and Janet in the real world.

'Retirement' is also unexplored.
Isn't retirement the thing where Michael would be split apart into atoms and burned across a trillion suns or something?


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on April 11, 2018, 06:05:56 PM
Let's put it this way: if someone told you a season of a sitcom would feature a significant amount of explication of Kantian ethics by a philosopher and it would be funny, you would have said, four years ago, that this was not gonna happen. That it couldn't happen.

So a hilarious bet between Kant and Schopenhauer doesn't seem out of the question to me at this point. Nothing does. For all I know Nietzsche and Foucault are going to show up as entertaining gay lovers and tell Jason he's the wisest of the entire group.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: jgsugden on April 11, 2018, 06:49:50 PM
I'll send them a shinny nickel if the last scene of the series is Cliff Clavin telling Sam Malone, "... and that err... sums up the afterlife."


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Ironwood on September 28, 2018, 05:30:21 PM
Season 3, here we go.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on September 28, 2018, 06:08:03 PM
Yup! I'm feeling good about the theory that this is all about finding out if demons can become angels, with the humans as an entirely side issue.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: lamaros on September 30, 2018, 09:20:57 AM
Hopefully that was just the heavy lifting out of the way and the show can now get back to being funny.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on September 30, 2018, 09:14:10 PM
You are ridiculously hard to please.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: lamaros on October 01, 2018, 12:30:56 AM
You are ridiculously hard to please.


By the standards of this show that was a shit episode.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Ironwood on October 01, 2018, 02:17:58 PM
I don't agree.  We laughed lots.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: schild on October 04, 2018, 04:04:05 PM
liked season 2 overall more than the first one

didn't like the ending


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on December 07, 2018, 07:48:19 AM
Last night's 'mid-season' finale was great. D'Arcy Carden did an unbelievably great job playing most of the cast.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: lamaros on December 09, 2018, 04:51:26 PM
This season has had only about 1.5 good episodes for me so far, but I'll keep watching.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on December 09, 2018, 09:30:10 PM
It hasn't been quite as funny or amazing as the first two, but still pretty genius by anything but lamaros standards, where Leonardo da Vinci is just kind of a duffer who has a couple of decent paintings and some meh sketches.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: lamaros on December 09, 2018, 11:06:19 PM
I'm sorry my selective appreciation of TV seems to rile you so much.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Zetor on December 10, 2018, 02:00:36 AM
I was pretty amused by the episode that ostensibly took place in Budapest. They seemed to have done some filming on location, had people with Hungarian names in the credits... and yet, whenever those two artist dudes were 'speaking in Hungarian', it sounded like random mangled garbage.

... this is totally going to be a plot point in S6 when it turns out they've been in the Negaverse all along, right?  :awesome_for_real:

(but yeah, I'm digging this series a lot overall)


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Reg on December 10, 2018, 06:18:32 AM
I'm sorry my selective appreciation of TV seems to rile you so much.

Continuing to watch a series where a 10 episode season only gave 1.5 good episodes makes no sense at all. How seriously should we take your negative ratings when you keep watching what you say are  bad TV shows?


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Draegan on December 10, 2018, 08:05:21 AM
It's the internet.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: jgsugden on December 10, 2018, 09:13:51 AM
It's the internet.
Right.  The internet where we argue because we know we're just that one post away from everyone agreeing with us.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: lamaros on December 10, 2018, 02:45:09 PM
I'm sorry my selective appreciation of TV seems to rile you so much.

Continuing to watch a series where a 10 episode season only gave 1.5 good episodes makes no sense at all. How seriously should we take your negative ratings when you keep watching what you say are  bad TV shows?

Because the first season was one of the best tv shows Ive watched recently, and the second season was mostly good.


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Raph on December 12, 2018, 12:12:26 AM
I was pretty amused by the episode that ostensibly took place in Budapest. They seemed to have done some filming on location, had people with Hungarian names in the credits... and yet, whenever those two artist dudes were 'speaking in Hungarian', it sounded like random mangled garbage.

... this is totally going to be a plot point in S6 when it turns out they've been in the Negaverse all along, right?  :awesome_for_real:

(but yeah, I'm digging this series a lot overall)

The Hungarian names were actually "Artistic Man" and "Artistic Man's Friend"... according to Reddit. :)


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Zetor on December 12, 2018, 12:37:50 AM
I was pretty amused by the episode that ostensibly took place in Budapest. They seemed to have done some filming on location, had people with Hungarian names in the credits... and yet, whenever those two artist dudes were 'speaking in Hungarian', it sounded like random mangled garbage.

... this is totally going to be a plot point in S6 when it turns out they've been in the Negaverse all along, right?  :awesome_for_real:

(but yeah, I'm digging this series a lot overall)

The Hungarian names were actually "Artistic Man" and "Artistic Man's Friend"... according to Reddit. :)
Oh yeah, the role names were hilariously mangled too. Basically, the first guy was "Jozsef Müvészember", which is... almost Hungarian for "Joseph the Artist Man"... however, the other person was called "Istvan Müvészi Ember-Barátja" which due to 'Művész" vs "Művészi" would translate as "Stephen Artistic Man-Friend" -- I assume they meant boyfriend? It made me think of the sign with trrbl mangled Hungarian in Sandman (THANKS STEVEN BRUST).

What threw me was the *actor* -- "Peter Katona" is actually a legit Hungarian name. Goddammit Péter, why did you betray your country and allow those imperialistic pig-dogs stomp on our, uh, ~cultural heritage~?!

Ahem... this has been a public service from the Hungarian Bureau of Useless Minutiae, no need to thank me! I'm sure we will have someone from Jacksonville around momentarily to complain about the inaccurate depiction of their airport taxi service.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: The Good Place
Post by: Khaldun on December 12, 2018, 09:56:23 AM
Joseph the Artist Man and Stephen Artistic Man-Friend are truly great names.