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Title: Bright
Post by: Fabricated on July 20, 2017, 05:33:02 PM
Will Smith does a cop-drama that is basically Shadowrun but minus the cyberpunk bits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZCBSsBxko

I dunno what the hell to think. Points for originality as far as making an actual high-budget show I guess?


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: luckton on July 20, 2017, 06:00:12 PM
Is this going to be a series or a movie?

Either way, I have the strangest boner right now...


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Fabricated on July 20, 2017, 06:07:57 PM
A movie I think. I thought it was a series at first.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: schild on July 20, 2017, 06:29:24 PM
oh man

this

this right hyea


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Bzalthek on July 20, 2017, 09:23:19 PM
I could be, and probably will be, shit.  But I will watch the shit out of this.

I also really like the music near the middle of the trailer.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Teleku on July 20, 2017, 09:38:44 PM
Wow, somebody played the new Shadowrun games and managed to convince Netflix to give them money.  Like, some of the the peoples face/hair combo in this trailer where spot on copies of character portraits from the games.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Soln on July 20, 2017, 10:28:16 PM
Ok yeah, will watch


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Ard on July 20, 2017, 11:03:42 PM
As if I needed a reason to have a netflix subscription, but this will do.  That said, if you want something in the mean time that's very cyberpunky, look up Ares on netflix, it was an interesting watch.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Fabricated on July 21, 2017, 03:49:00 AM
Yeah sorry, thought this was a series at first. I'm interested. This is about the only way you could do something like Shadowrun really- the actual IP just has too much background junk to explain.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Velorath on July 21, 2017, 04:07:38 AM
Will Smith has had a pretty good track record throughout this Willennium. There's nothing about Smith's last dozen or so movies that would give me any cause to doubt this.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on July 21, 2017, 06:23:06 AM
That looks pretty cool, actually.  

ETA - can't be Shadowrun, they set it in LA instead of Seattle.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Teleku on July 21, 2017, 08:09:40 AM
Also, no dystopian cyberpunk society.  But still, like, there is no way this wasn't inspired in some part by the latest games.  They are leaning on the same art style heavily.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Threash on July 21, 2017, 08:28:51 AM
Yeah the main elf looking guy is straight up one of the character portraits from the new shadowgun games.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: schild on July 21, 2017, 08:36:14 AM
Also, no dystopian cyberpunk society.  But still, like, there is no way this wasn't inspired in some part by the latest games.  They are leaning on the same art style heavily.
This not being dystopian makes it instantly better than every other cyberpunk thing. Just on its face, assuming every future is a bleak corporate fuckhole has gotten stale as hell.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Teleku on July 21, 2017, 09:48:47 AM
Yeah, I'm totally cool with them doing it in the normal world.  I always thought the awakening off magic/mythical races into modern society, and how that changed things, was the most interesting part of Shadowrun lore.  Not the generic cyberpunk shit.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: kaid on July 21, 2017, 11:30:43 AM
Yeah the main elf looking guy is straight up one of the character portraits from the new shadowgun games.

Yup very strong modern day shadowrun vibe instead of near future shadowrun.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Goldenmean on July 21, 2017, 11:49:50 AM
This basically looks like a hybrid of Shadowrun and Alien Nation with the grimdark turned down and the "comedy" turned up.

Also, assuming every future is a bleak corporate fuckhole has only gotten stale because it's not the future any more and we don't need to assume =P


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: HaemishM on July 21, 2017, 09:44:07 PM
Yep, I'm down for some of this.

Funny that it's by the guy who directed Suicide Squad and we basically have Cop Deadshot, Elf Harley Quinn and Killer Croc the Ork as main characters.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Fabricated on July 22, 2017, 07:58:03 AM
Yeah, I'm totally cool with them doing it in the normal world.  I always thought the awakening off magic/mythical races into modern society, and how that changed things, was the most interesting part of Shadowrun lore.  Not the generic cyberpunk shit.
the real issue with adapting Shadowrun today would be all of the problematic representations of the Japanese and Native Americans and the like that sprung from where the setting came from.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: luckton on December 21, 2017, 02:35:45 AM
Out on Netflix tomorrow. Rotten Tomatoes isn't receiving it well.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: jgsugden on December 21, 2017, 07:15:30 AM
Out on Netflix tomorrow. Rotten Tomatoes isn't receiving it well.
A lot of bad reviews, actually.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: schild on December 21, 2017, 11:04:30 AM
Boo

I guess everything fantasy still sucks ass


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: luckton on December 21, 2017, 04:14:16 PM
I will still watch it and judge for myself. I'm hoping the critics are just calling the movie stupid because they can't wrap their heads around the whole fantasy+modern RL aspect.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Surlyboi on December 21, 2017, 11:16:16 PM
This looks like a take on the Bordertown books, the most famous of which was Emma Bull’s “Finder”. I loved those books. I’ll watch this even if it sucks.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: luckton on December 22, 2017, 10:35:16 AM
And watched. Yeah, critics either didn't get their pay-cut, or they lacked in having an imagination that would let them infer what was going on.

There's no build-up or 10-minute prologue that explains shit. The film hits the ground running as-is and the backstory is lightly filled-in as the plot unfolds. The action was decent, Smith and Edgerton carried a shit-ton of the film on their backs, and for Netflix's attempt to have a Hollywood-style blockbuster direct-to-streaming? They could have done better, sure, but they could have done a lot worse. The lore is ripe for sequels/spin-offs, which apparently Netflix is already green-lighting (https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/21/16805748/netflix-bright-sequel-will-smith-joel-edgerton).

7/10


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Fabricated on December 22, 2017, 06:17:08 PM
Watched it.

It's a buddy-cop movie done in the same kinda cheap look that most Netflix shit has. It was watchable and that's about it. Interesting setting if they'd just lean into it more.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: rattran on December 22, 2017, 06:20:23 PM
A decent buddy cop film, if a bit slow at times. Wife and I enjoyed it.
7/10 seems right to us.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Fordel on December 22, 2017, 10:06:40 PM
I liked it a lot, was fun and compelling the entire time. It's not going to change the world or anything, but its well acted and well made with a fun little premise.

If you like Will Smith making wise cracks and shooting bad guys, you'll probably enjoy this.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Fabricated on December 23, 2017, 10:10:01 AM
I unironically wouldn't mind seeing more of the world really since they greenlit another movie. This would definitely be better as a show honestly.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Bzalthek on December 23, 2017, 10:56:41 AM
I really enjoyed it and would love to see more.  Perhaps something with the Centaur Cop we got a glimpse of.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Ginaz on December 23, 2017, 12:20:05 PM
Saw this yesterday and it was fairly decent.  Not great, but not nearly as bad as critics seems to think.  Kind of reminds me a bit of the Shadowrun series with the whole world of magic and mythological races in a modern day setting.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: MediumHigh on December 23, 2017, 08:15:01 PM
I liked it kinda didnt want it to end. Needs to be a tv series.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Threash on December 24, 2017, 08:08:15 AM
Needs to be a tv series.

This, fuck the critics this was entertaining and I want more. Apparently a sequel is already green lit.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Signe on December 24, 2017, 08:46:48 AM
I thought it was good, too, and it really does feel like something that would make a fun series. 


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: MahrinSkel on December 24, 2017, 10:08:46 AM
I enjoyed this, it took itself seriously on the premise, and made it work. "Training Day" meets Tolkien.

--Dave


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Wasted on December 24, 2017, 10:05:28 PM
I thought it was pretty good too.  Not fantastic or anything, the plot was pretty simple and obvious but it was enjoyable enough. 


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Threash on December 25, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
I wanna know what the nine races that united to fight the Dark Lord were, we only saw six if you count faeries as one. Seven if you assume dwarves are a thing for sure, which probably.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Hoax on December 25, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
We need more things that attempt to do Shadowrun, this was a good time.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: MediumHigh on December 25, 2017, 06:59:19 PM
My only complaint is that they could have used more disposable actors. Not sure who plays the Orc but Will Smith character could have been subbed out for someone like Terry Cruz or Idris Eliba who are far more willing to work with a studio for multiple sequels or a tv show than Will Smith.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Zetor on December 25, 2017, 10:33:53 PM
I wanna know what the nine races that united to fight the Dark Lord were, we only saw six if you count faeries as one. Seven if you assume dwarves are a thing for sure, which probably.
I saw a dragon flying over the city in one of the shots, unless you counted that already.

This was pretty fun in a popcorn movie kind of way... and yeah, it reminded me of Shadowrun (without the cyberware) the entire time. I could definitely see physical adept types rolling (and/or burning) edge (http://shadowrun-5th-srd.wikia.com/wiki/Edge_(EDG)) mostly to pull off stupid stuff that'd only work in SR, spellcasters fucking up drain rolls, etc etc.

For critics / people who don't know anything about SR or similar settings, though, I can see why they say it sucks. Pacing felt all over the place, the elf chick's character was way inconsistent throughout the entire movie, a lot of the things that happen feel like dumb action movie tropes even if they are not intended to be, and opening up with "TRIGGER WARNING ENTERTAINMENT" right off the bat followed up by Will Smith opening a laptop with the Joe Rogan Experience running in the background only to go "Fairy Lives Don't Matter" in the follow-up scene probably didn't make a first good impression...


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: schild on December 26, 2017, 07:25:48 AM
I have not yet watched it but your description of the opening is some r/fellowkids shit


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on December 26, 2017, 07:33:43 AM
I wanna know what the nine races that united to fight the Dark Lord were, we only saw six if you count faeries as one. Seven if you assume dwarves are a thing for sure, which probably.
I saw a dragon flying over the city in one of the shots, unless you counted that already.

This was pretty fun in a popcorn movie kind of way... and yeah, it reminded me of Shadowrun (without the cyberware) the entire time. I could definitely see physical adept types rolling (and/or burning) edge (http://shadowrun-5th-srd.wikia.com/wiki/Edge_(EDG)) mostly to pull off stupid stuff that'd only work in SR, spellcasters fucking up drain rolls, etc etc.

For critics / people who don't know anything about SR or similar settings, though, I can see why they say it sucks. Pacing felt all over the place, the elf chick's character was way inconsistent throughout the entire movie, a lot of the things that happen feel like dumb action movie tropes even if they are not intended to be, and opening up with "TRIGGER WARNING ENTERTAINMENT" right off the bat followed up by Will Smith opening a laptop with the Joe Rogan Experience running in the background only to go "Fairy Lives Don't Matter" in the follow-up scene probably didn't make a first good impression...

My wife actually gets mad at me for how racist I am against elves.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Threash on December 26, 2017, 08:07:44 AM
I wanna know what the nine races that united to fight the Dark Lord were, we only saw six if you count faeries as one. Seven if you assume dwarves are a thing for sure, which probably.
I saw a dragon flying over the city in one of the shots, unless you counted that already.


I forgot they were intelligent creatures and not animals in Shadowrun. That's humans, elves, orcs, dwarves, faeries, centaurs, reptilians and dragons.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Samwise on December 27, 2017, 12:24:14 PM
I'm not very familiar with Shadowrun and I enjoyed Bright quite a bit.  The orc dude totally stole the show -- I was expecting a more Worf-esque gruff warrior-race cliche.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Ironwood on December 27, 2017, 01:34:34 PM
Critics can go fuck.  I tuned in for Alien Nation on the Sword Coast and that's exactly what I got.  I have no idea what kind of thing you'd be expecting to be disappointed with this.  It was exactly as advertised and worked just as you'd expect.  Oddly, wife loved it more than I did (though it DID have a lot of TFP I guess) but I enjoyed it just fine.

Would like to see more.  Know ultimately that this is not going to happen.



Title: Re: Bright
Post by: MediumHigh on December 27, 2017, 01:41:32 PM
Bright 2 has been green lit.  :drill:


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: kaid on December 27, 2017, 01:43:47 PM
I really enjoyed it. Also unlike shadowrun its not magic suddenly coming back it is magic was always there although it is less common now than it was it seems. So 2000 years ago basically the 9 races took out sauron or his equivalent and people are still pissed at orks to this day because they followed him. So kinda middle earth after 2k years and then run a training day type movie in that setting.

It worked pretty well and will smith seemed to be a lot more natural in this role than in a bunch of his most recent ones it is more back to him doing his thing which is pretty fun to watch. I am glad to see this got an immediate sequel  approval.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Ironwood on December 27, 2017, 02:15:30 PM
Just to be clear 'sequel' was not what I had in mind.

There was sooo much backstory that needed a wee bit of a poke and a prod and 'sequel' is unlikely to scratch that itch.  I also desperately need to know how Centaur Trooper goes to the bathroom.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: jgsugden on December 27, 2017, 02:40:59 PM
....I also desperately need to know how Centaur Trooper goes to the bathroom.
Your welcome. (https://numbertwoguide.com/questions/centaur-poop/)


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: rattran on December 27, 2017, 03:29:30 PM
....I also desperately need to know how Centaur Trooper goes to the bathroom.
Your welcome. (https://numbertwoguide.com/questions/centaur-poop/)

You're


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: satael on December 28, 2017, 04:13:34 AM
Enjoyed the movie for what it was, a direct-to-video-netflix movie and the setting was interesting enough to make me look forward to the sequel they announced.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Phildo on December 28, 2017, 06:35:17 AM
Did anyone else feel like this was a total mess and they tried to cram too much into it?  Mixing the gritty cop drama with epic fantasy prophesies was a bit too much for a first dive into the world.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: MediumHigh on December 28, 2017, 06:43:26 AM
Did anyone else feel like this was a total mess and they tried to cram too much into it?  Mixing the gritty cop drama with epic fantasy prophesies was a bit too much for a first dive into the world.

No.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Sky on December 28, 2017, 06:45:35 AM
There's no build-up or 10-minute prologue that explains shit.
The entire opening section is a lore dump. Anyway, I was initially turned off by the ORCS ARE BLACK PEOPLE, heavy-handed handling of racism. It was just so clunky and really, magic is a pretty stupid setting in LA. The reveal that Will was a bright came WAY too early and the movie was basically 'when does he grab the wand and win the movie?'

I did stick with it and it moved along well enough that I overall enjoyed it. Skeptical anything further without Weeyow Smiff will be any good.

And really, Will is getting a bit old for his Fresh Prince antics, he does try to change it up a bit, but it'd be nice to see a more mature version if he has it in him.

5/10 worth the popcorn


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: jgsugden on December 28, 2017, 07:33:23 AM
....I also desperately need to know how Centaur Trooper goes to the bathroom.
Your welcome. (https://numbertwoguide.com/questions/centaur-poop/)

You're
Yes. Deal with the shitty autocorrect.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Threash on December 28, 2017, 10:32:52 AM
Did anyone else feel like this was a total mess and they tried to cram too much into it?  Mixing the gritty cop drama with epic fantasy prophesies was a bit too much for a first dive into the world.

Super hard no.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Samwise on December 28, 2017, 11:06:05 AM
I appreciated that it mostly just threw us into the world and let us wonder some things.  We got exposition for the plot-critical parts: Dark Lord is bad.  Some people are Brights but you need to risk your life to find out.  Wands are really powerful.  That's all you need.

I was initially turned off by the ORCS ARE BLACK PEOPLE, heavy-handed handling of racism.

I've seen a lot of criticism along these lines, which starts from the assumption that ORCS ARE BLACK PEOPLE and then doesn't like what the movie did with that imagined premise.  My reading of it is that the intent wasn't for orcs to directly correspond to black people.  There are more parallels with, say, Japanese-Americans after WWII.  I think the movie was honestly trying to imagine what the racial tensions would look like if you took a D&D-esque world and tried to apply modern sensibilities to it, and not make the fantasy races map to human races.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Reg on December 28, 2017, 12:09:34 PM
When you're sharing the world with 8 other kinds of people who are literally not human, racism within the human species stops making sense. Why would anyone hate blacks when there are all these damned smug, pointy eared elves to sneer at?


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Samwise on December 28, 2017, 12:15:17 PM
Counterpoint. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lYXaVkA0U)


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Ironwood on December 28, 2017, 12:34:22 PM

And really, Will is getting a bit old for his Fresh Prince antics, he does try to change it up a bit, but it'd be nice to see a more mature version if he has it in him.


He's tried it.  It's best when he doesn't.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: jgsugden on December 28, 2017, 02:04:59 PM
I didn't feel like it was a direct 'Orcs = X'  analogy.  They blended ideas. 

I have not finished it (called away with 20 minutes to go), but it doesn't feel that special.  It reminds me of District 9, for better and worse. 


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: luckton on December 29, 2017, 01:43:43 PM
Nielsen ratings guesstimate that 11 million people watched this so far. Let's assume each of them is a paying subscriber. This movie just paid for itself with at least $30M profit.

In other news, for those that desire more backstory, Netflix's got you covered. https://youtu.be/PRRoAZcwQMY


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Trippy on December 29, 2017, 03:11:01 PM
Nielsen ratings guesstimate that 11 million people watched this so far. Let's assume each of them is a paying subscriber. This movie just paid for itself with at least $30M profit.
You are assuming that Bright has increased the Lifetime Value (LTV) of those 11 million subscribers by a full month’s subscription cost. That’s extremely unlikely.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Samwise on December 29, 2017, 03:37:46 PM
I'm curious how you calculate the actual value of a piece of programming on Netflix.  Take the percentage of time the user spent streaming that program vs everything else they streamed that month, and multiply that by their monthly subscription price?


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: MahrinSkel on December 29, 2017, 04:06:56 PM
I'm curious how you calculate the actual value of a piece of programming on Netflix.  Take the percentage of time the user spent streaming that program vs everything else they streamed that month, and multiply that by their monthly subscription price?
I suspect that it is considered a UA (User Aquisition) spend, they look at the number of people who start or reactivate accounts and watch the show right after. They probably look for any positive impact on subscriber retention, but that would be harder to separate.

It also gives them more leverage when negotiating for content, I expect.

--Dave


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: MediumHigh on December 29, 2017, 05:51:33 PM
I like how this movie reminds me I can still have fun watching something relatively cheesy.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: HaemishM on December 29, 2017, 07:55:19 PM
I'm curious how you calculate the actual value of a piece of programming on Netflix.  Take the percentage of time the user spent streaming that program vs everything else they streamed that month, and multiply that by their monthly subscription price?

I imagine it's very similar to how HBO evaluates their original programming costs. I don't know what that is but something like what Dave mentions sounds like a reasonable metric.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: 01101010 on December 29, 2017, 08:20:57 PM
What a mismash of a bunch of cop partner movies (parts of Training Day, Bad Boys, Lethal Weapon, iRobot), only mix in a bit of the fantasy realm in a real world setting. Wife and I enjoyed it but after it was over, there wasn't a whole lot of thinking about it. Perfect one time use movie.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: ezrast on December 30, 2017, 03:48:05 PM
Did anyone else feel like this was a total mess
Yes.
Quote
and they tried to cram too much into it?
Quite the opposite. It was a cop movie with no interesting criminals, a high fantasy tale with no quest, and a Shadowrun homage with no corporate intrigue. Just Will Smith bumbling from fight scene to fight scene, his two macguffins (elf girl wasn't a real character) doing macguffiny things as often as necessary to keep the movie moving, and his partner getting whiplash from trying to play foil to a guy who changes his mind on whether he's playing a good cop or a bad cop every couple minutes.

Why do the Inferni think bringing back the Dark Lord is a great idea? What were the police chief and her pals going to accomplish by taking the wand, which both is incredibly illegal and kills almost anyone it touches? For that matter, if all of the known wands are locked down by the government, and touching one is almost guaranteed to kill you, how can there possibly be enough known Brights to comment on the racial makeup of the Bright population? Do elves regularly blow up their kids pushing them to qualify for Bright School? Are LA cops trained in anti-elf-ninja techniques, or did the Inferni just get way dumber after killing Poison's gang? Why did Tikka spend half the movie pretending not to speak English? etc, etc.

Throw in the uninspiring fight scenes and the heavy-handed race relations stuff, and my girlfriend and I were left pretty cold. Also, having no fairies after the opening scene felt like a Chekhov violation.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Hoax on December 30, 2017, 10:13:05 PM
I'm always left cold by rants like that. Why don't some people just stick to non fiction?

1. Because dark evil lords have a tendency to offer power, this is like the oldest fantasy trope ever? Or these elves' families worked for him and are now outcast from bougie elf society? if you can't make up a plausible reason to want to bring back the long dead big bad you just aren't even trying

2. It grants wishes? The one dickhead with the stache literally spelled out the extent of their stupid plan, get rich, get bitches etc.

3. Presumably aforementioned gov't spends a good deal of resources knowing things like that? Or its just known oral history? humans have almost never been mages but can be elf mages are much more common in the legends etc.

4. Yeah because there is no way the elves might have some kind of test prior to the blowing up risk thing for magical aptitude. I'd watch a show about bright HS though.

5. First good point, they were literal murder machines until plot armor. Some actual good writing would have had LAPD have some useful tricks but they couldn't do that after the SWAT squad got dismantled on the steps so it was just plot armor not even the classic clever use of their hubris against them.

6. idk or care about the english, trust issues?

I mean I'm not defending this really hard, just these stupid nitpick lists are so common online these days and they are so low effort most of the time, like this one. You don't want to imagine anything ever to fill in holes? You do you but sharing how you spent your time not enjoying something and then listing your flimsy quibbles doesn't make you seem smart.

The fight scene to fight scene stuff, the plot armor point, that nobody but Will Smith was much of a character are all valid critiques of what was a low budget action movie that was better than those because 1. Will Smith instead of John Cena as the lead & 2. Shadowrun setting instead of SWAT/Delta Force/Mercenaries etc.



Title: Re: Bright
Post by: ezrast on December 31, 2017, 01:01:34 AM
Hm, I did think it was implied somewhere that grabbing a wand was the only way to know if you were a Bright but maybe I made that up.

In any case, you're totally right about the list and I shouldn't have made it the focal point of my post. But it's not that I was bothered by the plot holes themselves so much; I just felt like the world and key figures were given so little characterization that I end up with some similarly stupid list of questions no matter what part of it I try to analyze.

Anyway, I don't want to shit on anyone's fun if I'm not being constructive, but since I am surprised at the positive response here, I want to ask the people that enjoyed this a couple things:
1. Was there a villain you found particularly compelling? How did you perceive their personality?
2. Was there a fight scene you found particularly cool? What did you like about it?


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: jgsugden on January 01, 2018, 08:22:13 AM
They said that grabbing a wand was the only way to know if you're a Bright. Unless your first name in Rainbow.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Sir T on January 02, 2018, 03:32:57 AM
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Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Phildo on January 02, 2018, 05:22:15 AM
Weirdest adaptation ever.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Brolan on January 02, 2018, 06:31:15 PM
For me it was a fucked up mess of a movie that was nevertheless entertaining.   

They could try this again, maybe as a series instead of a movie.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Tale on January 03, 2018, 08:19:11 PM
I watched this. I had a great time. I want more.

I don't need the back story spoon fed to me. There was enough to go on. It was an interesting world. It was funny.

The way high fantasy is based in divisions between races is an itch I've wanted to see scratched and this was a good way to do that.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: jgsugden on January 04, 2018, 02:06:00 PM
It was good for what it was.  If this were on the Big Screen, I'd have wanted more.  I do think it would have been better as a series rather than a movie, but I'd say the same about Men in Black or most of Will Smith's other movies.

I don't need Will Smith in future installments.  Will Smith as Gandalf is not where I want this to go.  I'd rather see them go broader (cover more characters) than deeper (revisit the well) in this universe.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Threash on January 04, 2018, 03:36:42 PM
Most things would be better as series than as movies.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Father mike on January 05, 2018, 07:03:28 AM
I'd really like to see something based on the Magic Feds.  Watching as the human goes from frumpy cop to stereotypical wizard, and the elf just doesn't age at all.

I'm pretty sure ideas like this are why no one comes to me for script ideas.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on January 05, 2018, 07:11:05 AM
I'd really like to see something based on the Magic Feds.  Watching as the human goes from frumpy cop to stereotypical wizard, and the elf just doesn't age at all.

I'm pretty sure ideas like this are why no one comes to me for script ideas.

Was the human fed a wizard? Cause I was totally getting that vibe off him.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on January 05, 2018, 07:12:08 AM
Also are wands being treated like the rings of power? Cause I was getting a very "alluring power drawing out the worst in people" type vibe from the interactions with it.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Typhon on January 05, 2018, 08:21:27 AM
I got the feeling that people (humans, elves, etc) are all generally pretty selfish/horrible and giving anyone the enormous amount of power that the wands represent tended to result in mass destruction.  Especially those people who were actively trying to secure the wands - already self-selected for the worst of the lot.  Which is why they are treated like WMDs.

I didn't get the feeling that the human fed was bright.  I'm not sure about the elf, I guess I was assuming that he wasn't, but was probably really old and had been around.  I did get the feeling that only the brights were actually capable of magic.

I can't point to anything specifically in the movie that made me think either of those things, just a feeling.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Father mike on January 05, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
Was the human fed a wizard? Cause I was totally getting that vibe off him.
Even though he was a very minor, very side character, I got a kick out of him.  At first glance he seemed like like the slovenly half of an odd-couple paring.  But then as you looked more, it slowly dawns that if old wizards look like Gandalf, this must be what youngish, non-goth wizards look like.

But I've always been a nerd for "industrial magic", where magic is incorporated into modern society like electricity.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: 01101010 on January 05, 2018, 04:26:18 PM
At first glance, I thought the non-elf fed looked like a dwarf obviously without the height restriction. But now that you all are mentioning it...


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: grebo on January 07, 2018, 06:37:34 AM
I wanted to see more dark lord.  It didn't seem like the Advent Children had much of a plan.  We were teased with magic vs. tanks vs. shield of light stuff, and it never happened.  They just easily carved their way through everyone in sight only to be stopped by Will Smith, slayer of fairies, because ?
Other minor issues, etc etc.  But it was overall fun, I appreciate the genre choice,  and it was much much better than the new Star Wars!


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: kaid on January 08, 2018, 08:05:01 AM
Also are wands being treated like the rings of power? Cause I was getting a very "alluring power drawing out the worst in people" type vibe from the interactions with it.

Well in theory if you know how to use them they can basically make your wishes come true. They at one point describe them as a nuclear bomb that grants wishes. So yes that kind of power and ability will tend to draw out the worst part of a lot of people especially greedy/stupid/desperate ones. Like the head gangster I can sympathise for why he wants it so bad he is willing to take the chance it instant gibbs him for the chance of something that can heal his body.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Ironwood on January 08, 2018, 08:13:00 AM
Yeah, it was actually explicitly said that they granted wishes.  They did whatever the fuck you wanted (which raises more questions than it answers, but hey ho).

Who wouldn't be allured to that ?  Apart from a straight-talking, wise-cracking cop only five days from retirement ?


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: kaid on January 08, 2018, 02:56:40 PM
Yeah, it was actually explicitly said that they granted wishes.  They did whatever the fuck you wanted (which raises more questions than it answers, but hey ho).

Who wouldn't be allured to that ?  Apart from a straight-talking, wise-cracking cop only five days from retirement ?


Well a lot of non desperate greedy folks rightfully would be terrified of trying to touch the wand. It is like buying a lottery ticket where if you don't win you die instantly and horribly.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on January 08, 2018, 03:08:15 PM
Yeah, it was actually explicitly said that they granted wishes.  They did whatever the fuck you wanted (which raises more questions than it answers, but hey ho).

Who wouldn't be allured to that ?  Apart from a straight-talking, wise-cracking cop only five days from retirement ?


I'm gonna say it probably doesn't actually just grant any wish you want like a genie, it seems to work just like a higher powered version of a potter wand in that you need to know the spells and you can't just magic up anything your heart desires.  After 2000 years of magic being kept under the radar however, a mystery about wands probably got built up.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Ironwood on January 09, 2018, 01:19:20 AM
Yeah, it wasn't really clear.  A lot of it wasn't really clear.  But we're into 'absolute power corrupts absolutely' territory and they made that VERY clear.

I was quite surprised just how blatantly they went with 'Yeah, all LA cops are corrupt, always.'  Some refreshing honesty.   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Der Helm on January 19, 2018, 09:27:51 AM
I have been waiting for a Shadow Run movie ever since I read Never Deal with Dragons for the first time in 1990(ish), I even played Shadowrun for a few years.

I am at a loss of words for how dissapointed I am.

This was utter drek. The writing ... "Fairy lives don't matter" ... :facepalm:

(https://i.imgur.com/4L6y2s2.jpg)
 :mob: :mob: :mob:

At least Max Landis will stay away from part 2.

Fuck. I rarely get angry about movies, but this ...


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Riggswolfe on January 19, 2018, 10:45:29 AM
I enjoyed Bright. It wasn't amazing but I'll probably watch the sequel.

As for that Twitter quote, that was a dumb thing to say publicly. However, even if you think the writing was shit, keep in mind a script rarely goes to film without major revisions. I can 100% guarantee that Will Smith caused massive changes to the script. For instance "fairy lives don't matter" sounds exactly like the type of line Will Smith would have added to the script or improv on the day of shooting.


Title: Re: Bright
Post by: Phildo on January 19, 2018, 10:54:49 AM
Max Landis is quickly transitioning in to "do not watch" whenever I see his name on a project.  Chronicle was good, but the rest is highly questionable.