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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sYF1SXcWqQ

"First Chapter" in theaters on September 1st. TV series starts September 29th.

:uhrr:

Looks like MAoS quality.

Now I like Agents of SHIELD. I even dig the Inhumans concept.

But fuck me... when the best part of that trailer is the goddamn CGI dog... UGH.

Iwan Rheon plays an asshole again. What a surprise.  :awesome_for_real:

You really are typecast when you have to say. "You know, that boy that killed a woman in Misfits and stuffed her into a fridge? That was my most sympathetic role."

Yeah, this looks terrible.

As a buddy of mine said, this looks like a really bad pr0n parody.

Black Bolt's facial expressions are like,  :ye_gods: bad.

Looks like ass.

I'll watch it for Lockjaw and the Hawaii locations. Serinda Swan has her hot moments as well.

2nd Trailer adds more XF.  Still not looking too good, but perhaps a smidge better than first trailer.

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/marvel%E2%80%99s-inhumans-sdcc-trailer-reveals-medusa%E2%80%99s-hair-in-action (http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/marvel%E2%80%99s-inhumans-sdcc-trailer-reveals-medusa%E2%80%99s-hair-in-action)

Order of operations

See's Marvel

 :grin:

See's their adapting the Inhumans

 :oh_i_see:

Realizes this will be on network TV

 :ye_gods:

Inhumans conceptually were never good ideas. They're off brand xmen, they do off brand xmen things and play literally zero roll in the marvel universe besides remind people that the xmen could be cool and edgy(without turning the team into teenagers or 90s wolverine clones). And even if you for the love of god could polish this gimmicky off brand xmen into a legitimate "oh this sounds interesting for longer than 30 minutes" idea.... why the living annual fuck will you trust that to network tv and the same network that gave you agents of shield.   

A : There's nothing wrong with MASoS.  If you don't like it, fine.  But it's turned into a solid show, IMO.

B : there is absolutely no way any amount of budget could make moving hair look good, also IMO.  That's just comes off as such a stupid power overall.  Other abilities seem like they could work all right, but moving hair is just about always going to look fake, no matter what.

Loved the song use in that second trailer though.  That was spot on.

And I really know nothing about the Inhumans other than poking around wiki.  They were never particularly on my radar when I was into comics.

Her hair looking good is possible in a big budget blockbuster, but not on this TV budget. 

They should have just given her snakes for hair rather than stick to the source material - or else killed her early and gone all out on one or two scenes.

I think if you're really going to do Medusa, yeah, you decide that her power is actually something like "telekinesis" that seems to radiate out from her hair/head, or some such thing. Unless you have an asston of money, in which case you're probably not making a movie based on the Inhumans, who really just kind of suck as anything but a flavor element in the adventures of other characters.

Second trailer looks better... but still looks assy. Black Bolt does not have anything like the kind of gravitas the character should have, and the whole production just looks cheap. Not even AOS cheap, just SyFy channel cheap. Gorgon's power looks good but I don't like his look either, same goes for the green fish dude whose name I forget. Lockjaw is still the best part of the trailer.

The Inhumans in the comics were just another X-Men style group that no one seemed to know what to do with. In the MCU, though, there is no X-Men so Inhumans can actually serve a decent role. It's just that this production looks weak.

Triton. (green fish dude)

I'm surprised he's in it, actually--he's another one I would have just told them to outright avoid. I don't even think he's been in the comics lately.

He has been, though they've changed his look to include a Bane-type mask on his face when he's out of water, which amazingly enough, I really think they should have gone with in the show. At least that would distract from the fact he just looks like a guy with green face makeup and a shitty fin on his head, and he doesn't even have scales.

Just a reminder that tickets are on sale for the theatrical release.  You know, if you want to see the first two episodes in theaters.  Like, if you have unlimited funds, live next to a theater, and really have nothing to do with your time. 

Anyone see the 'movie'?

Reviews are as harsh as the most negative of us expected.

Currently tracking at 0% on Rotten Tomatoes (avg rating 3.76/10) after 12 reviews:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/marvel_s_the_inhumans/s01

Pretty much every review listed there sounds about spot on to what I expected.

wow

That's a bummer. My kid is really interested in this show for some reason.

To be an optimist, it could just be the first two episodes that suck?  Maybe?  Perhaps? 

I don't believe it either.

I think if what everyone is commenting on is:

your costumes suck
your effects suck
your scripts suck
your actors suck
especially your actors playing Black Bolt suck
your dialogue sucks
your sets mostly suck


Then, no, it's not going to get better.

What if they change the storyline to a low budget porn? That doesn't require good costumes, effects, scripts, acting, dialogue or sets....

To be fair, I think it's Vivid that does super hero porn parodies, and some of the costuming on those things looks WAY better than this.

Just think for a moment that we have all lived long enough to see big budget porn comic book parodies become a thing that exists.

$1.5 million box office.  Just shy of the Avengers, I think. 

So... The advertising has apparently from "See the first season of" to "See the complete series," as in it's cancelled, but they are still going to show the shows they've filmed. At least that seems to be the critical take.

And for those of you who hated Iron Fist, the showrunner (Scott Buck) there was also the showrunner for The Inhumans.

He's been replaced for the second season of Iron Fist.

Has it even started on TV yet?

This was doomed when it was slated for network television. Oh and being part of the least interesting parts of the marvel universe.

I think January? (I can't even be bothered to google it.)

Honestly, I'll give the pilot a chance. I like a lot of things others don't*, but I have to say the screengrabs I've seen turn me right off. It just doesn't *look* good, and the decision to release it to IMAX first was really bizarre.

*as a case in point, although Rotten Tomatoes is only 7% with like 14 reviews, audience surveys were something like 60% positive -- which is super low for a Marvel release, but shows that some folks found something to entertain themselves with, so I might too.

As I understook it, this was a test intended to be a single season thing, unless widely popular.

Well it looks like the "complete series" phrase was misunderstood anyway. It was only meant to mean that the IMAX release was the start of the "complete series" to be continued on ABC.

It seems like that one season thing was mistaken anyways. They say they have plans for three seasons should the show last that long. As Disney forced Marvel to continue Agents of Shield for another season, they may force them to do Inhumans for two more seasons and see if they can fix the problems that are here. I will say that the first two episodes were not as bad as I expected based upon the reviews, but they were pretty darn bad.

This show was DIRE. Fucking godawful, SyFy Flash Gordon fuckstupid. Poor decisions at every single turn from story choices to actor choices to direction and cinematography. This was Roger Corman bad.

Casting sucks with one excption. Effects are mostly insufficient, though Lockjaw was ok. Attilan sets are idiotic. I'll watch the rest to be a completionist,  but outside a faint hope that the rest of the series might be slightly better if not rushed like the Imax ones were... all I can say is that I am shocked Marvel let something this bad go to air.

It really is a steaming pile.

There are like a thousand flaws with this show, but the one that keeps getting to me is how all the royal family keeps acting surprised when no one or nothing on earth acknowledges their secret nobility from there secret moonbase.  :why_so_serious:

The third hour was much better, but still amongst the worst TV I've seen in a long while. Frankly, I'm shocked Marvel allowed it to air.

If I understand the internal Marvel politics right, the Inhumans are the majority shareholders pet project and why they were originally on the movie list or whatever.

Im  guessing shitty TV show is a win as far as the movie branch is concerned.

it's the "wish we could do X-Men" project which was supposed to come out as a movie but when the movies were taken away from a certain person all he could do was push it as a tv-series instead... (or so the rumour goes)

I am completely shocked that they let that crap get to air.  I stuck it out to be a completionist, but it was sooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad.

Same here. I stuck to it since it was only 8 episodes and I was hoping to see some improvement in the story but it turned out to be a total waste of time.

Finished watching the show this afternoon and the best I can muster is "meh."  It wasn't mind-blowingly horrible but it was even remotely great either.  I honestly wasn't surprised at all when Triton turned out to still be alive and pretty much expected it when they all went to the beach.  And oh, Gorgon's dead so we need another completely badass fighter to take his place.

It felt even more disconnected from the Marvel Universe setting than AoS does, although that preview at the end was pretty sweet looking.  At least it gives me a reason to watch the episodes I have sitting on the DVR to get ready for the season premiere.

I gave it 4 episodes to get better, and it didn't. I didn't feel any desire to slog through to what seemed entirely inevitable "twists".

--Dave

There was no need to watch the last 7 hours. Everything significant that happened in the last 7 hours was easy to predict while watching the very first hour.

I'll be very curious to see what they do with the show now.  Do they hand it over to an entirely different creative group (not that it will solve the problems with the cast, etc...)?  Do they wrap up the story in an episode or two of MAoS?  Do they wait and put any follow-up on their streaming service? 

Thor Spoiler:  

The movies thus far have not acknowledged AOS or any of the netflix marvel shows and you think they will do anything for the inhumans? Expect Magneto in the MCU before inhumans is even given lip service.

Answer: they are going to forget this show ever existed for now. And then the Infinity War thing is going to let them reboot the MCU entirely circa 2020. At that point anything they don't want will never have happened.

I am sure this show is first on the list of "never happened, never heard of it."

Also doesn't Inhumans exist as a TV series largely because Feige didn't want anything to do with Perlmutter's pet project? Everything that's been hinted at in regards to the behind the scenes schism between the TV and movie sides of the MCU suggests that there is no way in hell Inhumans was going to tie into anything movie related.

Yeah. What I've seen is basically Perlmutter pushed it, Jeph Loeb signed up to be Perlmutter's flunky on pushing it, and everyone else stepped away and said, "What's that bad smell? I dunno, don't see anything."

There is a wall in the Marvel office with plans going ahead 15 to 20 years.  It changes all the time.  However, one of those changes was turning the Inhumans movie into a TV series.  That makes it unique in key ways - it was part of the interwoven MCU plan as a movie, but is now a TV series.  That *could* result in it having different treatment.  This could be the one example where the movie plans were executed in TV and gives rise to impacts from a TV show in the movies.

Could.

Not likely, given that the rating were so bad they are being blamed for Dateline beating 20/20 by a two to one margin. 

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/11/13/inhumans-finale-ratings-mcu/ (http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/11/13/inhumans-finale-ratings-mcu/)

--Dave

Those numbers are much better than that show deserves. Holy shit, it was bad and I only watched the pilot.

Have no doubt: This made Iron Fist look amazing. It was horrible. Only diehard completionists watched it. I bet they wish they could take it all back.

But the question to me, given the time frame involved in all their planning, is whether - due to the unique circumstances of this film to tv series show - there will be any ramifications in the MCU. Due to the origin story of the show itself, I could see it, but it would tick me off to see it here when worthing shows are relegated to fan fiction zones.

In a funny kind of way, it's an affirmation of the entire MCU's plan to date, which is: Marvel superheroes that are translated to screen (or TV) without thoughtful attempts to design them visually *and* make their stories make sense in a pseudo-realistic sense equals total failure. You could almost look at Inhumans as proof of everything that everyone involved in the MCU planning has been preaching as gospel: there but for the grace of Feige go we.

Again, this is a TV show that seemingly only exists because Feige no longer had to report to Perlmutter and thus was no longer being pushed into doing an Inhumans movie. This wasn't a show that was going to signal a new unity between the TV and movie sides of the MCU, it signaled that there was now a firm division between the two sides even on a business level.

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I actually think the Marvel execs knew how shitty the show was and shitcanned it on GP.

Also, yes, now they have X-Men they can totally have mutants.

There was no way that show was getting another season regardless of the Fox buyout.

It actually had higher rating that SHIELD. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The average with DVR factored in seems to be slightly higher for SHIELD and that's with a much bigger marketing push for Inhumans.

Also IMAX helped finance Inhumans, apparently paying for the first two episodes and funding some of the marketing. I'm pretty sure given the results they were not going to be coming back to work with Disney on a a second season.

If we cast our collective minds back to SHIELD Season One, we remember how truly awfully terrible it was and how it pretty much took some solid work (and tits) from the cast to get it to the barely workable state that it finds itself in now.

That said, Inhumans was never going to grab anyone and then they screwed it so bad Sugden didn't like it soooooo....

They're pretty much trying to wind down the Inhumans in the comics too, though it's slower because they built them up so much--and they suddenly paid attention to the dumpster fire that was the X-Men. Plus also they're getting ready to finally reform the Fantastic Four. I would guess that they'll do something to have Reed, Sue, Franklin and Valeria 'forget' about being gods and creating universes.

Probably they'll undo the heroic Doctor Doom as well, which is kind of too bad--that's been one of the few Marvel books I've enjoyed through the Secret Empire festival of crap.

The Infamous Iron Man stuff with Doctor Doom as Iron Man is really good, despite being more Brian Michael Bendis wank. I've just started reading the post Inhumans vs. X-Men stuff in the X-men and it's... odd. It's a slight improvement over the X-Men in Limbo shit (which was universally fucking awful) but it still just feels like it's entire aim is mimicking the entire Chris Claremont run including all the same themes just with new villains and the same characters in new roles. It feels like Norman Osborn parading around in his mother's dress talking in her voice.

I remember when people were saying, "No, the X-Men are just being written poorly, it's not a corporate policy to punish Fox". But you know, you could see clearly that the moment Marvel thought they might be getting the rights back, they started winding down the idea of the Inhumans-as-substitute-mutants and they started trying to think about how to get the X-Men back to some kind of basics, hard as that is given how insanely messy their entire sub-mythos has been for decades.

I'm looking forward to the Deadpool movie just mercilessly laughing at Cable's incomprehensible backstory.

It's time travel and alternate universes.  The more incomprehensible, the better.

They should have Cable do a bit like the Joker in The Dark Knight--every time he meets a new person, he starts telling a different version of his incomprehensible backstory in the same breathless way that the Comic Book Store Guy would do it.

"I was born during a mutant plague to a demon mutant pretending to be a woman who looked just like a dead woman telepath who was married to an amnesiac mutant member of the X-Men and my grandfather is a space pirate who was kidnapped by bird aliens who have a gem that can destroy the universe who have a mohawk Superman and then I was sent into an alternate future and trained to fight Apocalypse only I was cloned and given an evil twin and then people gave me guns bigger than my whole body and I was sent into the past and somebody drew me without feet and with an anatomically impossible chest and then I took another mutant who was kind of a clone of my dead not-mother into the future after I met a not-sister from another alternative timeline and trained mutant assassins and"

oooooookay.  I'm guessing Cable got sillier since I last read.

I knew about Stryfe, Scott and Jean Parents and the origins of the virus, but I truly hope you're making the rest of that shit up.

I remember at some point he took a young clone of Jean Grey into the future. Probably to protect her from being assassinated in the past.

Also there was that whole thing from Age of Apocalypse where 'Nate Grey' survived through and you had a Cable without the technovirus and life experiences running around who I think was such a potent telekinetic he couldn't actually use his powers because he'd kill himself.

I really left it all in the early 2000's though so its entirely possible it's gotten similar.

I am if anything understating it. Though I will say that in Cable's more recent appearances, they appear to have decided that they're just not going to say anything about his backstory--he's just going to be a gruff mutant guy who likes big guns.

The child he took into the future wasn't a clone of Jean Grey. She was the first mutant born after the "No More Mutants" hex thing from the Scarlet Witch (that started the whole House of M idiocy) that kept mutants from being able to breed. Cable stole her after her birth blew up a town, took her into the future and raised her, then brought her back to present time. She took the name Hope Grey and was the whole reason behind the X-Men vs. Avengers idiocy because the Phoenix Force was coming to Earth to use her body for some reason, so 5 of the X-Men became hosts for it instead (Cyclops, White Queen, Namor, Colossus and who the fuck remembers) and fucked a bunch of shit up, including flooding Wakanda and turning Cyclops into a villain.

Yeah, it was that fucking stupid. The X-Men continuity is so goddamn bad, if anything needs a complete and utter New 52 style reboot, it's the goddamn mutants and X-Men.

 :facepalm:

You know what makes it even worse? After the whole Hope Grey causes the X-Men vs. Avengers thing with the Phoenix Force, the aftermath and new status quo of the X-Men after that?

IT GOT WORSE. It got worse on every fucking level. Because after that, we had the original Beast go back in time to bring the original 5 X-Men forward in time so that they could have a talk with current-day Magneto-esuqe Cyclops, then he couldn't send them back so they stayed and now it appears they aren't even the X-Men from this timeline but they also don't say they are from a different Earth/parallel universe, just a different timeline.

And then it got worse from there.

If I ever found a comic book company, first rule is that any writer who even starts to say 'time travel' gets pistol whipped.

Thing is I LIKE time travel stories. But goddamn if they are allowed to happen all the time in a situation where the premise doesn't revolve around time travel, they just end up wrapping around into themselves so that the characters are so far up their own asses that they disappear.

The reason they're popular is basically plot-mechanical. It's the only way to have characterization happen in a human, dynamic way with characters who are intellectual property and who need to stay relatively stable over decades otherwise--you show their alternate-universe doubles and time-travel future selves. In a Dickens story, that's the catalyst for the character to change. In a comic book story, it's the excuse for the character to remain the same. But over time, people start to fall in love with the other futures and alternative dimensions, and want stories about those--and then they start to be something you *also* have to keep stable. Which means then you do more time travel and alternate-universe stories to get yet more chances at showing your characters develop.

Of course, the alternative is to pretend the character is actually someone else and the REAL guy is the new version. Like the Spider-man clone Saga dreck. Or press a reset button and change the character. Like Spider-man selling his marriage to the devil in to save the life of a 200 year old woman, because the writer said he wanted to break up the marriage to Mary Jane, but he didn't want Spider-man to be immoral and get a divorce... (no I'm no joking)

I get that, but while it can lead to some good story's, once you allow it you open Pandora's box of shitty writers raping the source material over and over again.  Time Travel: Not Even Once.

Time Travel, outside of novels or the like, only works where it is the grounding premise of a show. Once you allow it to become part of the long term plot rather than a tool in the stories it's pretty much guaranteed to produce an unfollowable mess.

It KINDA works in Dr Who, or at least used to - because it was used as the bridge to largely self contained stories, and was relatively rarely used for time travel within a story.

I quit X-men cold turkey in 1992 after reading for 15 years.  Whenever I get an itch to pick it up again, I conveniently stumble across something like the last two pages, and the urge goes away. Completely.

Yeah. It's just impossibly convoluted. And now the comic-book Inhumans are too, after decades of being relatively 'clean' in terms of the major characters and underlying mythos.

Yet she looked like Jean Grey and the Phoenix wanted her for its host and nobody knew who her parents were, they died when she was a baby and all the records were destroyed, so maybe she WAS a clone of Jean Grey or a reincarnation of Jean Grey or something like that, it was a big mystery for a couple of years until it fizzled out without being resolved and she faded into the background.

I wouldn't want a reboot myself as they always seem to end up making things worse, but I wouldn't mind if they got rid of the time travel and alternate timelines for a few years and just did stories about living at the mansion (in Westchester County, not Limbo), saving the world and playing baseball. Going back to the basic premise of the Claremont era would be fine with me.

The basic problem is that they can't simply reboot to the "mutant prejudice" scenario. Grant Morrison took that as far as it could go--it really only works if lots and lots of people are being born everywhere as mutants, and if you do that seriously, you end up with a universe that is really fundamentally different (or you have repeated waves of genocide, which is also fundamentally different). Otherwise, you can't even begin to explain why ordinary people would hate and fear mutants but be pretty chill with Asgardian gods, people who were bitten by radioactive spiders or were injected with an experimental drug, people who were changed by a cloud of Terrigen gas, people who are just very well-trained martial artists who like to wear skin-tight duds and fight criminals in public places, etc.   MU civilians should either hate and fear everybody with super-powers (I mean, look at how much damage they all do) or love them unless they're bad guys--sorting them into mutants and non-mutants is kind of incoherent, especially since the origins of many MU super-heroes aren't general public knowledge.

Except that's EXACTLY what they are trying to do. The status quo after the Inhumans vs. X-Men war is that the mansion is now in Central fucking Park, the team is being run by Kitty Pryde and they are following the story beats of the Claremont mutant prejudice to a T, complete with popular bigoted media figure secretly using Sentinels and whatever to try to discredit mutants and kill them. The "original" young X-Men are in their own book and they have the son of Wolverine (but from a parallel world, not this universe's version) with them and the young Beast is now dabbling in the mystic arts. Oh and they are being led by Jean Grey and Magneto (but Magneto is in hiding, it's not public knowledge of his involvement).

I fucking wish I was making this shit up.

Yeah, I know. I appreciate what they're trying to do with Blue and Gold--it's better than the shitfest the preceded it--but it feels incredibly forced.

Yeah, the mutant prejudice thing was a great story angle for its era, but it makes zero god damn sense in context for both the marvel world as it is now and modern times in general.  I understand it's hard to shift the entire concept of a series since its basically been the bedrock principle since it started, but that's what happens when you make something an analogy for real life events.  They need to find a new angle.

Every time I think I should get back into comic books you guys remind me that the money is better spent on booze, I lose less brain cells this way.

Bah, don't get me wrong, there's actually some good stuff being written at Marvel. I've yet to find anything in the X-Men line (other than Wolverine - which is actually Laura Kinney now instead of Logan) that is worth the effort I've put into reading it. Most of the Avengers and Ultimates books are good. Daredevil has been good. The new, Pakistani Ms. Marvel has consistently been good. Champions, Nova, Hulk and the Totally Awesome Hulk are all good.

The Captain America books (both Steve Rogers and Sam Wilson) are... well, they are certainly trying something different. Making Steve Rogers young again but also having his timeline messed with by a sentient Cosmic Cube and the Red Skull so that he's always been a Hyrda sleeper agent is... interesting. I'm not sure it's good, per se. I'm reserving judgement until I see the end of the Secret Empire stuff that is the culmination of Steve Rogers, agent of Hydra. The Sam Wilson book wants to be good, but the writer is much too interested in making a political point, specifically about conservative racist politics, and it gets in the way of good storytelling at times.

Champions feels like it's too on the nose, trying too hard. America is even worse in that respect; I also thought Hellcat was suffering from the same. Squirrel Girl and Ms. Marvel feel about right in that respect.

X-Men books went from passable shit to utter shit once they decided to kill off 99% of the mutants or whatever. They took every ongoing story and axed it for WE ARE GOING EXTINCT (AGAIN)ANDAGAIN)) forever and ever. I'm not sure they will ever actually recover from that.

For some reason I'm watching this, two hours in, my god this so slow - I mean a lot of it is literally slow motion.

Also Black bolt and Co are the baddies right?

Because I can't help notice Ramsey Bolton is entirely correct and fairly reasonable about everything so far. Whereas the other lot are plainly entitled psychopathic fascists.

Why do you bring back these memories?

Why, why???

 :cry2: