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Title: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 17, 2017, 03:15:55 PM
New league year, new thread. Off season is too long!


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sky on March 20, 2017, 03:56:11 PM
I'm now being kept in the loop about trades for the first time ever, because my fiancee signed onto her NFL app as a Pats fan.  :drillf:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Bungee on March 27, 2017, 02:13:09 PM
I'm now being kept in the loop about trades for the first time ever, because my fiancee signed onto her NFL app as a Pats fan.  :drillf:

I seriously don't know why people even keep working on trades with them. It's like handing the winning guy in Monopoly your fields for half of what it cost to acquire them.
And yes, I'm just jealous.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on March 27, 2017, 02:29:42 PM
So the Bears signed Mark Sanchez, just in case Mike Glennon gets injured or sucks. (Hint: he's going to get injured and/or suck). Sanchize will join the list of a guy who was injured all last year, a guy who lost his starting job by default to Jameis Winston and whoever they will draft (who will eventually be considered a bust).


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on March 27, 2017, 02:31:00 PM
And the Raiders are moving to Vegas.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on March 27, 2017, 02:33:59 PM
Oh yeah, that! They'll be moving in 2019, so Raiders' fans who were psyched about the upward trend of their franchise get to watch 2 years of improvements before the Las Vegas team wins the Super Bowl in their inaugural season in Sheldon Adelson's gilded sweaty old man ball sack of a stadium paid for without almost a billion fucking dollars of taxpayer money.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Phildo on March 27, 2017, 04:28:47 PM
Meanwhile, no one wants to go anywhere near Kaepernick.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on March 27, 2017, 06:09:53 PM
True... I just wish it was because he sucks (he does), but I know it's more about the dumb kneeling thing.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on March 28, 2017, 12:19:08 PM
Meanwhile, no one wants to go anywhere near Kaepernick.

He's a fringe guy that has to play in a certain system, so that already limits who would want him. Couple that with the baggage and there are better options out there that require little distraction.

But I think it's more of the first part than the second part. The second part of his politics is just the final straw.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Shannow on March 28, 2017, 06:30:43 PM
No one would give a shit about his politics if he could throw for 5000 yards.

NFL bans jumping over line to block kicks.

NFL shoots down rule to push touchbacks to 20 yd line if kicker puts it through the uprights..

NFL continues to hate fun.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on March 29, 2017, 09:42:48 AM
Upside, the NFL is finally starting to look at the commercial breaks after kickoffs. Fans complained enough about the amount of breaks that they may get less breaks but they'll be longer (I'm fine with this actually).

In my mind there should be longer breaks at the ends of quarters, and longer breaks on change of possession. There should be no breaks after a kickoff, shorter breaks on timeouts.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sir T on March 29, 2017, 10:24:24 AM
I got interested in the NFL due to these threads so I tried watching ESPN a couple of years ago. I found it totally unwatchable due to the constant fucking ads. Seriously guys.

But I read somewhere that ESPN is in big trouble in any case. It's already one of the most expensive channels out there, so that source of revenue is maxed out, but fees to broadcast games just keep rising due to Greedy NFL owners. And it is bleeding subscribers. It is losing 13% ad revenue year by year according to this article

https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/11/21/espn-subscriber-losses-finally-take-their-toll-at.aspx


In short they may be desperate for money.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on March 29, 2017, 10:45:53 AM
Part of the reason they are losing subs is that people are cutting the cord on cable and getting ESPN through other providers like streamers.

The other reason is that ESPN is trying desperately to pander to the younger people they are losing, so they have really gotten involved in bullshit thinkpieces and items unrelated to actual sports, and that's driving off their older fanbase.

I used to watch Sportscenter all the time. It's unwatchable garbage now with the terrible talent, the bad storylines, and the fact they refuse to cover teams and instead favor historical nonsense or thinkpieces. I mean the top article right now on ESPN's website is a piece on the 2016 Villanova shot over UNC. Why? We're in the middle of the final four and you're wasting time talking about a shot from a year ago? Or the Gonzaga coach's legacy? Or refs getting death threats from UK fans? WTF?

Compare to a site like CBS Sports (a much better sports site imo) that's looking at NFL Mock Drafts, 2018 QBs, Fantasy sleepers in baseball, Vegas odds on the NCAA, the Raiders moving, etc.

That's sports. Sports people love gambling, fantasy, and current shit in the NFL that projects to the season coming. They aren't looking for fluff about semi-political hot take machines.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Shannow on March 29, 2017, 11:31:35 AM
No one watches Sportscenter, or probably any other highlights on TV nowadays. Of your cable bill like $5 is for ESPN (I forget the exact number but it's the most expensive) which worked 10-15 years ago but now is fucking stupid.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on March 29, 2017, 11:45:30 AM
The ad revenue hit that all sports broadcasters took when the daily fantasy sites pulled back was fucking HUGE. They were spending just a fucking obscene amount of money on ads.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Hoax on March 29, 2017, 11:00:13 PM
ESPN is just fucking up. They have obvious terrible biases. They cancelled Grantland. They keep giving more and more time to sports versions of the worst of cable news channel programming, garbage like First Take and Around the Horn. They are trying to pander to both the right wing radio listening crowd and the sjw millennial and just pissing off both. Doubly stupid considering nobody 35 or younger thinks any cable package is a good deal. They should have stuck to the Sportscenter is an homage to old school trusted news but about sports thing they had for awhile.

ESPN dying will be one of the most justified capitalism deaths since tower records and all those places that didn't stock good used, weren't neighborhood, didn't carry vinyl etc.

fuck em couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of shitlords


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Malakili on March 30, 2017, 06:59:15 AM
Part of the reason they are losing subs is that people are cutting the cord on cable and getting ESPN through other providers like streamers.

The other reason is that ESPN is trying desperately to pander to the younger people they are losing, so they have really gotten involved in bullshit thinkpieces and items unrelated to actual sports, and that's driving off their older fanbase.

I used to watch Sportscenter all the time. It's unwatchable garbage now with the terrible talent, the bad storylines, and the fact they refuse to cover teams and instead favor historical nonsense or thinkpieces. I mean the top article right now on ESPN's website is a piece on the 2016 Villanova shot over UNC. Why? We're in the middle of the final four and you're wasting time talking about a shot from a year ago? Or the Gonzaga coach's legacy? Or refs getting death threats from UK fans? WTF?

Compare to a site like CBS Sports (a much better sports site imo) that's looking at NFL Mock Drafts, 2018 QBs, Fantasy sleepers in baseball, Vegas odds on the NCAA, the Raiders moving, etc.

That's sports. Sports people love gambling, fantasy, and current shit in the NFL that projects to the season coming. They aren't looking for fluff about semi-political hot take machines.

Maybe we don't use the word thinkpieces the same, but certainly haven't seen much out of ESPN that makes me think. It's sensational nonsense almost all the time. The actual longform thinkpieces are published on things like The Undefeated, which get almost no play time on ESPN. Their website is an atrocity, the cable channel is mostly unwatchable.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on March 30, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
Maybe we don't use the word thinkpieces the same, but certainly haven't seen much out of ESPN that makes me think. It's sensational nonsense almost all the time. The actual longform thinkpieces are published on things like The Undefeated, which get almost no play time on ESPN. Their website is an atrocity, the cable channel is mostly unwatchable.

I use thinkpieces meaning the intent was to make you think, but they fail hard at that. Trying to read their retrospective of the UNC/Nova 2016 game is awful.

Deadspin went the same way as ESPN and went from funny/agressive/sports stuff to a full on sensational nonsense political site with some sports on the side.

I honestly don't understand WTF happened to these places, or who let these idiot writers/anchors/producers take over. It will bury them all catering to a small subset of sports fans. The vast majority of sports people I follow want nothing to do with politics and will go out of their way to remove/block/unfollow any writer or analyst who can't remember that they aren't a CNN opinion writer and they are supposed to be covering a sports league.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on March 30, 2017, 10:13:47 AM
Maybe we don't use the word thinkpieces the same, but certainly haven't seen much out of ESPN that makes me think. It's sensational nonsense almost all the time. The actual longform thinkpieces are published on things like The Undefeated, which get almost no play time on ESPN. Their website is an atrocity, the cable channel is mostly unwatchable.

I use thinkpieces meaning the intent was to make you think, but they fail hard at that. Trying to read their retrospective of the UNC/Nova 2016 game is awful.

Deadspin went the same way as ESPN and went from funny/agressive/sports stuff to a full on sensational nonsense political site with some sports on the side.

I honestly don't understand WTF happened to these places, or who let these idiot writers/anchors/producers take over. It will bury them all catering to a small subset of sports fans. The vast majority of sports people I follow want nothing to do with politics and will go out of their way to remove/block/unfollow any writer or analyst who can't remember that they aren't a CNN opinion writer and they are supposed to be covering a sports league.

They are just following the guide laid out by for-profit news - editorials and opinion pieces get clicks. Click here to ask me how.  :why_so_serious:

I loved ESPN in college (mid-90s). Sportcenter on repeat all morning made it easy to catch 15minutes here and there. Then the talking head shows started and I tuned out.

Come to think of it, I loved Mtv in the 80s until they started attempting to be a tv channel by slowly removing the M.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sir T on March 31, 2017, 05:10:52 AM
At least that gave us Celebrity Death Match!  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: DevilsAdvocate25 on April 03, 2017, 07:01:42 PM
Meanwhile, no one wants to go anywhere near Kaepernick.

He's a fringe guy that has to play in a certain system, so that already limits who would want him. Couple that with the baggage and there are better options out there that require little distraction.

But I think it's more of the first part than the second part. The second part of his politics is just the final straw.

In his 6th year in the league, after coming back from surgery on his non-throwing shoulder that ended his previous season, he had the following stats in 12 games played:

Passing Yds 2,241 (3rd highest of his career)
Passing TDs 16 (3rd highest of his career)
Ints 4 (2nd lowest of his career)
QB RTG 90.7 (3rd highest of his career)

In the two seasons where he exceeded these numbers, he played in 4 more games.

It's not his stats or gameplay that are keeping him from getting a contract.

I wonder if he saw this coming ... (http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/03/colin-kaepernick-saw-this-coming)


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on April 03, 2017, 09:12:38 PM
Yeah, I didn't realize how good his numbers were last year, probably because he was on a shit team with a Mr. Potatohead as a coach. On a team with actual talent and/or coaching, he might be pretty good.

But yeah, it's pretty clear no one is going to touch him because of his politics.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on April 03, 2017, 11:49:03 PM
I love how violent shitstains like Ray Lewis and Greg Hardy could find continued employment, but god forbid someone do something LEGAL that offends all the white old conservative fuckheads that run teams in the NFL.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on April 04, 2017, 12:11:35 AM
Yeah, I kind of dislike how I feel compelled to side with Kap (as a Seattle fan) and even hope he finds a job.  Dude was already in a rough spot, and then had the guts to make a stand on something he must have known would make his life even more difficult.  I respect that, whatever his real motives.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Malakili on April 04, 2017, 07:04:20 AM
Quote from: Paelos
The vast majority of sports people I follow want nothing to do with politics and will go out of their way to remove/block/unfollow any writer or analyst who...

I have no problem if people cover sports and politics together in principle. Politics doesn't magically disappear in stadiums and arenas, as much as some people wish it did. You especially can't say it does when the NFL builds nationalism into the pregame show. What i have problem with is shitty political opinions from uninformed idiots who think they know what they are talking about b cause they are a celebrity and with stupid sensationalism. Kaepernick isn't the problem.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on April 04, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
In his 6th year in the league, after coming back from surgery on his non-throwing shoulder that ended his previous season, he had the following stats in 12 games played:

Passing Yds 2,241 (3rd highest of his career)
Passing TDs 16 (3rd highest of his career)
Ints 4 (2nd lowest of his career)
QB RTG 90.7 (3rd highest of his career)

In the two seasons where he exceeded these numbers, he played in 4 more games.

It's not his stats or gameplay that are keeping him from getting a contract.

I wonder if he saw this coming ... (http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/03/colin-kaepernick-saw-this-coming)

Which sounds good on paper until you remember one facet, his Y/A averages was 24th in the league, and behind guys like Tyrod Taylor and Case Keenum. Even more than that, his yards per game was 30th in the league. His completion percentage was 26th, and he's in an offense where once he goes further than 10 yards down the field, his completion percentage drops into the 30s.

The problem with Kaep is he's got zero down the field threat, and he's not accurate. Period. Numbers aside, anybody with eyeballs can tell you this by watching him play. It ABSOLUTELY is his gameplay that's keeping him on the sidelines, because if he was really a top 20 QB, the NFL has enough desperate teams looking for even half-decent mouthbreather QBs to snap him up.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Bungee on April 04, 2017, 09:14:53 AM
So Romo retiring into broadcasting.  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Shannow on April 04, 2017, 09:16:45 AM
I was surprised, and then realised he's 37. Good for him. Get paid to sit in a booth and talk about football? Instead of getting the shit beaten out of your body every Sunday? Good for you sir.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on April 04, 2017, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: Paelos
The vast majority of sports people I follow want nothing to do with politics and will go out of their way to remove/block/unfollow any writer or analyst who...

I have no problem if people cover sports and politics together in principle. Politics doesn't magically disappear in stadiums and arenas, as much as some people wish it did. You especially can't say it does when the NFL builds nationalism into the pregame show. What i have problem with is shitty political opinions from uninformed idiots who think they know what they are talking about b cause they are a celebrity and with stupid sensationalism. Kaepernick isn't the problem.

Kaep is a problem only that his opinions come off as uninformed as well. But he's the smaller of the issues, and frankly he has every right just like others to spout uninformed or biased political opinion.

I agree with the sensationalism of the issue by the media being the bigger issue. What I don't like more than anything is that Sports Writers who are hired to specifically cover a league start to play board warrior on twitter and then act like they are doing some great selfless deed.

There's nothing to stop those same writers from creating their own personal accounts and spouting their opinions there, but they know they won't get as much reach doing that, so they force it down the throats of their followers until people like myself grudgingly unfollow. And I'm not talking about one-off stories, I'm talking about making everything in sports a political issue.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on April 04, 2017, 10:03:12 AM
I was surprised, and then realised he's 37. Good for him. Get paid to sit in a booth and talk about football? Instead of getting the shit beaten out of your body every Sunday? Good for you sir.

Seriously. Good choice IMHO. I'm sure he'd love a shot at starting again, but a nice booth seat to sit and talk and get $$$? hell yeah, especially with his third kid due up soon. Now I am just hoping he's better than Simms... which is a low bar to start out with.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on April 04, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
Romo is going to be very good in the booth or on set. It may take him some adjustment, but he has the charisma to pull it off. One of the few Cowboys I have liked =P


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on April 04, 2017, 10:40:44 AM
Romo will be a good broadcaster. He's very likable - for someone to have been on the Cowboys that long and me not hate them, he's got to be charming and personable.

His retirement is going to fuck the shit out of the Texans, though. I'm pretty sure they traded Brock Lobster with the sole thought that they'd win the Romo sweepstakes. Now they have to figure out someway to make a combination of Tom Savage, BRANDON WEEDON and a draft pick work on an offense that hasn't seen a good QB since Matt Schaub. I'm sure they thought they were getting the next Peyton Manning. At least Denver didn't trade away the guy who was at least a competent starter.

Of course, Houston could always sign Cutler.   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on April 04, 2017, 11:50:44 AM
Well, Cutler is at least serviceable and has a huge arm.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on April 04, 2017, 12:18:33 PM
I guess. I mean if you are going to look at Cutler, you might as well give Kap a try. He's younger and more mobile.

But yeah, Kap would NEVER get a shot in Houston.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: TheWalrus on April 04, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
Yup. Romo threw in the towel.









It was intercepted.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on April 05, 2017, 12:27:10 AM
Good for him.  Like Haemish said, must be a pretty good dude for me not to instinctively hate him.

Cutler to Houston kinda makes sense.

Kap needs to go somewhere with a more liberal fan base, but right now I am struggling to determine if there really is such a thing in the NFL.  Too bad there is no London franchise yet.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Shannow on April 05, 2017, 09:56:35 AM
I'm gonna guess that football is the most right wing of the 4 major sports.  Ain't gonna find a liberal fan base. Maybe he could take up soccer? :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on April 05, 2017, 10:23:53 AM
Yeah I am pretty sure Kaep was already in the most liberal part of the country.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Rasix on April 05, 2017, 10:36:44 AM
He might be best served by going to the CFL for a couple seasons. Keeping his skills sharp in a geographic area that probably doesn't give a fuck.

The sports media and especially ESPN really fucked this up for him. Every game there was so much focus on who was going to stand/sit/kneel for something for an aspect of the game that most of us never think about. Sure, it got the message out, but they also made sure that he was focal point of where it all went back to. And it just kept going, it was like the NFL equivalent of Benghazi.



Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: jgsugden on April 05, 2017, 07:56:06 PM
Kaep's 'stance' on the anthem is the third biggest reason he doesn't have a gig right now.  #1: He wants to be a starter.  #2: Nobody thinks he is talented enough to start for them.  You have to build an offense around a guy like Kaep and nobody wants to build that offense around a guy that flakey.  I think a desperate team could sign Kaep, RG III and Johnny Football - not to try to be successful, but to try to cash in and  have 3 cheap QBs that can run that brutal offense - maybe enough to last the season.  However, I do not see any team that desperate.  You'd need a really bad team with no plan at QB that was trying to make money while tanking so that they could get an early pick for a qb.  You'd need that team to have a coach that was locked in enough that he knew he was not going to be fired for a bad season.  You'd need a fanbase dumb enough to buy the junk and think Kaep, RG III and Johnny Football might have something to offer.   I just don't see it. 


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on April 06, 2017, 08:17:57 AM
I'm gonna guess that football is the most right wing of the 4 major sports.  Ain't gonna find a liberal fan base. Maybe he could take up soccer? :oh_i_see:

I think it would be a close battle between NFL and MLB. Baseball people are far majority white, older, and absolutely hate changes.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: TheWalrus on April 06, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
Kaep needs to swallow his pride and go for a back position. Dude can run like nobody's business, but can't make a decision under pressure to save his life.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on April 06, 2017, 11:23:41 PM
I dunno, it seems what happens with a lot of these running QBs is that they establish themselves early as pretty good dual threats where their running ability more than makes up for lack of ability in the pocket.  Then the regime decides they have to start protecting their star, and the first thing they do is limit the spontaneous running and even a lot of the designed runs.  Which doesn't usually work for extremely obvious reasons.  Early Russel Wilson would have been another example, except that it turns out he pretty capable in the pocket (it still drives me crazy that they have taken all the designed runs out of the playbook).  RG3 is an even better example, because we all saw how physically and mentally fragile he was one he was no longer able to run past everyone.

Early Kaepernick was dangerous as a QB because he could run like a fucking cheetah.  He has not lost that ability.  Somebody could make use of that, if only they could invest the money and then not worry so much about protecting it.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sir T on April 14, 2017, 04:52:12 PM
Not sure how much anyone cares but the Jury acquited ex-Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez in his double-murder trial.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19159319/jury-acquits-ex-new-england-patriots-tight-end-aaron-hernandez-double-murder-trial


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Shannow on April 14, 2017, 06:27:48 PM
Thankfully he still will rot in jail for life for his other murder conviction.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Bungee on April 19, 2017, 10:21:57 AM
Thankfully he still will rot in jail for life for his other murder conviction.

He apparently just committed suicide. (http://deadspin.com/aaron-hernandez-commits-suicide-in-prison-cell-1794445345)


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: TheWalrus on April 19, 2017, 10:43:37 AM
No, he's just out with a neck injury.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on April 19, 2017, 11:02:53 PM
Normally that would have been a "too soon" kind of joke, but for this guy...yeah. 


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on April 20, 2017, 09:16:42 AM
Yeah, I am not at all sad for his passing, nor all that bothered by hanging jokes. He was a piece of shit.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on April 20, 2017, 12:21:38 PM
He should have had to rot in jail. As is usual for pussies who need a gun to feel like a man, he took the easy way out.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sir T on April 20, 2017, 03:46:31 PM
It gets better, and we might need a thread for "ridiculous celeb lawsuits," or something.

Aaron Hernandez’s Brain Being Held ‘Illegally’ by Medical Examiner: Lawyer (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/aaron-hernandez/aaron-hernandez-s-brain-being-held-illegally-medical-examiner-lawyer-n749011?cid=eml_nbn_20170420)


Insert joke about Tom Bradys brain here.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on April 27, 2017, 09:01:54 AM
As a Browns fan, this is the most wonderful part of the year!  :ye_gods:

And so help me god if they take Trubisky @ 1. If this happens, I will be forced to go out and buy a Steelers sweatshirt because I can't deal with another wasted 5 years.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: TheWalrus on April 27, 2017, 11:06:31 AM
Happy for Lynch. He's gettin to do what he wants. Good for him.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on April 27, 2017, 07:45:21 PM
Whew... thank god I don't have to do anything drastic.

And WTF Chicago?  :uhrr:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Azuredream on April 27, 2017, 08:38:57 PM
Chicago  :ye_gods:

The Browns trade down, as is tradition. They at least got a big bounty for it, but I feel like we always stockpile picks and then do nothing with them.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on April 27, 2017, 09:12:28 PM
Chicago  :ye_gods:

The Browns trade down, as is tradition. They at least got a big bounty for it, but I feel like we always stockpile picks and then do nothing with them.

Next draft the Browns have 2 First round picks and 3 second rounders... that is insane to me.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on April 27, 2017, 09:26:25 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure what Chicgao was doing grabbing Trubisky that high. The Texans picked up Watson so we should see a fantastic flameout by the end of the season, as they waste yet another year of great defense on a suspect QB.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on April 28, 2017, 06:50:52 AM
I'm not sure how to feel after that first round. Is this what it feels like to have a good draft? Should I just be a traditional Browns fan and wait for the other shoe to drop?

For now, I'm quite happy with the picks. Hope Peppers turns into the Cleveland version of Polamalu. And moving up for the kid from Miami? Jury is still out given how young he is, but still... second best TE in the draft? I'll take it on behalf of the Cleveland fans.  :grin:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on April 28, 2017, 08:04:13 AM
Having a great draft doesn't take away from the fact that you're still Cleveland.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Shannow on April 28, 2017, 08:42:18 AM
Are the Bears the new Browns? holy fuck why do teams still do this shit.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on April 28, 2017, 08:48:02 AM
Having a great draft doesn't take away from the fact that you're still Cleveland.

BAD FORM!! Cleveland only has the draft, at least give us this. We can start the melee on them when preseason starts.  :grin:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on April 28, 2017, 11:37:16 AM
Are the Bears the new Browns? holy fuck why do teams still do this shit.

Yeah, I'm not sure what they were thinking trading 3 picks to move up 1 slot for a QB that everyone agrees is still a developmental prospect. But hey, they have Mike Glennon!


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Trippy on April 28, 2017, 12:12:31 PM
That the Niners weren't even going to take, though obviously the Bears couldn't have known that for sure.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on April 28, 2017, 03:29:20 PM
That the Niners weren't even going to take, though obviously the Bears couldn't have known that for sure.


Think the Bears were worried about the other teams trading up for him rather than SF taking the titty kisser.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Phildo on June 10, 2017, 10:26:54 AM
In other Cleveland news, they cut a safety only a few hours before he threw out the first pitch at an Indians game. (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19591409/cleveland-browns-cut-tyvis-powell-hours-throwing-first-pitch-cleveland-indians-game)


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sir T on August 02, 2017, 07:51:57 PM
IT HAS BEGUN!!

http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2017-san-francisco-49ers-1797328541


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Shannow on August 02, 2017, 08:27:32 PM
In regards to the 49ers lets just say I might've been at a charity event in the Silicon Valley area where the only item that couldn't get a bid was a 49ers tailgate and ticket package. All with York in attendance.
 :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Trippy on August 02, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
In the 17 years that the Yorks have been in control we've had 5 winning seasons. Even those of us who came of age during the glory years are used to the Niners sucking now.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on August 03, 2017, 05:12:15 AM
In the 17 years that the Yorks have been in control we've had 5 winning seasons. Even those of us who came of age during the glory years are used to the Niners sucking now.


Please, tell me more...  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on August 04, 2017, 09:20:18 AM
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This February, the Falcons played the worst half in American sports history and the 49ers just hired the guy responsible for it.

All true, and they are about to learn the hard way he's a worse asshole than Jim Harbaugh could ever hope to be. Because Harbaugh had some redeeming qualities and his shit-kicking shenanigans could actually be funny at times. Shanny's shenanigans are crude and tragic.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on August 04, 2017, 11:20:44 AM
Plus, Harbaugh had proven he could win (albeit in college) as a head coach, whereas Kyle has been an OC that has bounced around several shitty teams and only has his dad's successes and Atlanta's run to the Super Bowl as evidence of his coaching skills.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on August 04, 2017, 12:35:06 PM
Plus, Harbaugh had proven he could win (albeit in college) as a head coach, whereas Kyle has been an OC that has bounced around several shitty teams and only has his dad's successes and Atlanta's run to the Super Bowl as evidence of his coaching skills.

And Atlanta's run is based on the biggest pile of flukey bullshit ever. They ran it up on teams with shit defenses, and played tight games to the finish with mediocre opponents. The difference in the end? They were healthy completely across the team, where teams like Seattle and Green Bay were shells of their former selves. When they got to Brady, it was only a matter of time until the soft underbelly of their terrible defense was exposed.

The hilarious thing is the entire city believes now they have the best roster in the league and can make it back to the Super Bowl. It's laughable. They are one offensive line injury away from complete disaster. They have ZERO depth, and they are fighting with one of their RBs over a contract. Matt Ryan has the absolute pinnacle best year of his career by a passer rating margin of 18 points. That shit is NOT REPEATABLE.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on August 28, 2017, 05:23:41 PM
So Deshone Kizer is now the Browns' starting QB, beating out Brock Osweiler despite going 6-18 in his last preseason game AND Osweiler getting paid what now looks to be insanely stupid money. Also, the Jets two project QB's can't beat out Josh "Just here to make up the numbers" McCown as a starter. Jets are definitely angling to draft a QB #1 next season.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on August 28, 2017, 07:09:47 PM
The amount of Browns' apologists who are backing Kizer as something different than the 27 other starting QBs is jaw dropping. After the whole mantra, sit him and let Kessler and Brock take the hits are now anointing this kid. Maybe I'm finally coming around to sensible fandom.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sir T on August 28, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
Is there such a thing?  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Azuredream on August 28, 2017, 08:08:40 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure what is being seen in Kizer. Could he be good? Maybe, if he played for a more competent organization. But this is the Browns. I'll be amazed if we get more than 4 wins, and even more amazed if we don't fire our head coach at the end of the season.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Phildo on August 28, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
All those garbage time fantasy points, though!  Maybe he'll be this year's 2015 Blake Bortles.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on August 28, 2017, 08:35:15 PM
Every single excuse I've read about his shitty 3rd preseason game was blaming his receivers, claiming Elway and Manning were shitty their first years, and "he looked like a real QB, really handled himself."

I'm about as Brownsy of a fan as they come but I'm not going to be this stupid about it. These people are just silly... and Mary Kay Cabot has her stupid shit eating grin on because she's been writing about Kizer starting since he was drafted even after everyone was claiming he should sit for at least a year and learn the ropes... Guess this time (the 27th) will be different? I won't be convinced till he makes it to his contract year and is still playing.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Raguel on September 01, 2017, 04:56:47 PM
Saw this on twitter:

"By never playing a game, Brock Osweiler goes down as the greatest Browns quarterback in modern history." -sportspickle  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on September 07, 2017, 02:16:44 PM
Pats vs. Chiefs opener? Can't say that gets me all jacked up. Seems like a bit of a mismatch to begin the season, as the line indicates.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on September 07, 2017, 02:52:01 PM
Myles Garrett getting off to a great start (http://deadspin.com/myles-garrett-injured-will-be-out-a-while-1801781677)....  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on September 08, 2017, 12:42:42 AM
Pats vs. Chiefs opener? Can't say that gets me all jacked up. Seems like a bit of a mismatch to begin the season, as the line indicates.

No no, should be competitive.  Pats are going to regress a lot this year, based on the fact that Brady is my fantasy QB and also FUCK THE PATRIOTS.

It didn't really occur to me that deliberately going after Brady for my FF team meant I might have to root for him to put up a lot of points.  Bit of a quandary.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on September 08, 2017, 09:24:22 AM
Well you were right, Pats really folded the tents late in the game. KC looked completely in control and the Pats defense is god-awful


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 08, 2017, 10:29:54 AM
Well you were right, Pats really folded the tents late in the game. KC looked completely in control and the Pats defense is god-awful

It didn't help that the Pats had little pass rush when Hightower was in there, and absolutely none when he got hurt. Also, someone juiced Alex Smith's arm and he torched the fuck out of New England's secondary.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: kaid on September 08, 2017, 10:38:00 AM
Well you were right, Pats really folded the tents late in the game. KC looked completely in control and the Pats defense is god-awful

It didn't help that the Pats had little pass rush when Hightower was in there, and absolutely none when he got hurt. Also, someone juiced Alex Smith's arm and he torched the fuck out of New England's secondary.


I went to bed at the end of the third quarter good lord it looks like the chiefs really went to work in the fourth to finish the game off.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 08, 2017, 11:27:44 AM
Yeah, not only could the Pats get no pass rush, their defensive backfield looked a bit worn out. Plus, once the Pats went behind, the Chiefs actually started sending rushers after Brady and got to him. I don't know if the Pats O line was gassed, or just not prepared to block against more than a 3-man rush, but they got hammered. And the Pats went for it on 4th and 1 and got stuffed again, giving the Chiefs the ball back on their 40-something. At which point, Alex Smith torched them again. The only negative was that Eric Berry went down with an Achilles injury and he's probably done for the season.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: jgsugden on September 08, 2017, 11:32:39 AM
Best thing I've seen in a long time: With a few minutes to go in the game and the Chiefs offense on the field, Brady on the sidelines looking frustrated, dumbfounded and shellshocked. 

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ApRSvm_3sSoYQis1-OBPD_3QW6E=/0x0:1920x1080/920x613/filters:focal(807x387:1113x693)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/56574219/20170907231330.0.jpg)



Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Phildo on September 08, 2017, 12:01:12 PM
No no, should be competitive.  Pats are going to regress a lot this year, based on the fact that Brady is my fantasy QB and also FUCK THE PATRIOTS.

It didn't really occur to me that deliberately going after Brady for my FF team meant I might have to root for him to put up a lot of points.  Bit of a quandary.

This is only the second time I've ever had Brady on a team.  The last time I drafted him, he got injured in the first game and missed the season.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sir T on September 08, 2017, 01:25:32 PM
http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2017-new-england-patriots-1800674923


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on September 08, 2017, 06:33:59 PM
538.com NFL predictions game (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nfl-predictions-game/)

Probability-based predictions. Pretty cool. Jump in.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on September 09, 2017, 04:00:35 AM
Well you were right, Pats really folded the tents late in the game. KC looked completely in control and the Pats defense is god-awful

I was more being snarky than actually making a prognostication.  But I'll take it!  Or not, seeing as Brady gave me 7 fantasy points.

Would any of us be surprised if they still manage to win 12 or 13?  I won't.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Shannow on September 09, 2017, 02:38:27 PM
Just a reminder that the last 3 times the Pats lost their season opener they won the superbowl.

Just sayin..:D


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 09, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
Despite their shitting the bed against KC, I still don't think there's any team that's going to keep them from winning the Super Bowl this year. I will be glad to be proven wrong.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 10, 2017, 10:47:58 PM
Welp, the refs have finally atoned for the infamous Fail Mary play for the Seahawks against the Packers a few years ago. They straight up handed this game to the Packers. On one fucking play, they toss out a starting cornerback for getting hit in the face by Davonte Adams DURING THE PLAY, as well as cancel a pick 6 INT against Rodgers because someone touched the back of his jersey as he's running to stop the lineman taking his errant pass into the endzone. Later on, they let two Packers' DB's just fucking rape Jimmy Graham in the endzone without a flag. I'm a hardcore Packers fan and even I can admit the refs were paid in cheese curds. Packers defense did look good though, or at least, the Seahawks offensive line looked like complete and total dog shit.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: TheWalrus on September 11, 2017, 03:01:53 AM
We consistently have no Oline. To suggest that one could drive a truck through our D, means that you're really saying a large company fleet of 1 ton dually trucks fully loaded in first gear without power steering would have no trouble making it past our line. And you'd be right.

That said, that was one of the shittier called games I've ever seen. Just consistently bad from start to finish, on both sides.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 11, 2017, 12:16:38 PM
In a league where O Line play is just consistently godawful, both games I watched yesterday managed to be EVEN GODAWFULER. The Seahawks are just goddamn horrible at blocking. They actually paid money for Luke Joke? Because he was a cruel cruel joke on Russell Wilson. Wilson looked good when he had time to breathe, which wasn't often and that Carson kid was pretty good too. But shit, you just can't block that badly and expect to score. To be fair, Green Bay's offensive line wasn't great - we let Josh Sitton and T.J. Lang go to division rivals this year and last, and for some reason thought signing Jahri Evans at guard was a good idea. He had at least 2 holding calls against him that I remember, mostly because he couldn't get off the line quicker than the Seattle D line and had to choke a motherfucker just to keep Rodgers from getting killed.

OTOH, I watched the Cowboys/Giants game, and that was both a cruel joke of offensive line play and TERRIBLE TERRIBLE playcalling. Why does Ben McAdoo have a job? This fucker's entire offense consists of throwing checkdowns. I think they had one pass the whole night that traveled more than 5 yards in the air. I get that it's not possible to toss it downfield every time when Eli Manning is getting collapsed on like a drunk sorority girl at a Roofie Party, but fuck's sake, at least try. Brandon Marshall was fairly wasted and he still have enough talent to stretch defenses. But I think literally every play in McAdoo's route tree has the second read being a 3-yard dunk pass to the running back or slot receiver even when the down and distance is like 3rd and 30 and they are down by 2 scores. The Giants defense is too good (at least on the line) to have to be on the field 45 minutes out of 60.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on September 11, 2017, 02:05:36 PM
Considering how terrible the O line was, and the fact that the refs basically took 14 points away, I am not completely unhappy with yesterday. Defense looked great, and bits of the offense was OK. Jimmy Graham was awful though...hope he picks it up.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sky on September 11, 2017, 10:23:32 PM
So I saw the 'new team' in the booth as a promo during a pre season game on ESPN, Rex Ryan and some overcompensating woman. They were horrible, and the fiancee (new to football last year) was amazed how poorly they called the game.

I just turned on the ESPN game, realized they were calling it, couldn't last 5 minutes. Luckily, ESPN Espanol comes through and it's way more entertaining with Spanish commentators.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MrHat on September 12, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
Haem what do you want for one of Rodgers/Carr/Rivers?


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 12, 2017, 11:51:48 AM
Rodgers is untouchable but I'll trade Rivers or Carr for a starting RB.

EDIT: As long as that back does not start for the Lions or the Saints. Those fuckers won't get shit for carries this year.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MrHat on September 12, 2017, 01:27:44 PM
Rodgers is untouchable but I'll trade Rivers or Carr for a starting RB.

EDIT: As long as that back does not start for the Lions or the Saints. Those fuckers won't get shit for carries this year.

Not even like Zeke or Odell for Rodgers?


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 12, 2017, 02:05:14 PM
Two guys who will miss at least some time this year? Nope.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on September 12, 2017, 02:53:24 PM
Cowboys offense looked bad but the Giants can't find their dicks with both hands and I love watching OBJ look like a golden headed tard on the sidelines as their offense gets Eli-faced into the ground.

HOW BOUT DEM COWBOYS!


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Abagadro on September 12, 2017, 06:42:54 PM
Fuck you ESPN for dredging back up Hank Williams Jr.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 14, 2017, 10:54:29 PM
I watched that whole fucking game tonight and I can safely say it was just as bad as I thought it was going to be. You know how I can tell offensive lines in the NFL are 95% shit? Breno Giacomini gets a start at right tackle for Houston, who by the way, gave up 10 fucking sacks last week on the way to scoring only 7 points. I'm amazed to learn he was on the Seahawks Super Bowl winning team. He is an abjectly terrible tackle. And he has a starting spot. Now that may be because the Texans' normal left tackle is holding out, causing a reshuffle of guys. But still - this line is BAD. They also had 3 TE's go down with injuries before the game, meaning their only TE was a practice squad dude. They often played tonight with 6 and sometimes 7 offensive linemen. And they STILL couldn't stop the Bengals from getting to the QB with only 4 men. The only time this game was even remotely watchable was when O'Brien actually let Watson throw the fucking ball downfield which wasn't often. Both teams OC's should be fired into the sun, however. Neither side could figure out that running the ball on 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 straight up the gut against two of the better D lines in football wasn't going to work, but they'd be damned if they weren't going to KEEP CHOPPING THAT WOOD. Watson has the excuse of being a rookie in his first start and he actually looked pretty poised - his TD run (the only TD of the game, BTW) was a thing of beauty, if you find a black man being chased by large men in white uniforms beautiful.  :why_so_serious:

Andy Dalton, however, has no such excuse for being as bad as he is. And he is FUCKING AWFUL. His O line is also terrible, mainly because cheapass Mike Brown wouldn't resign two of their best O linemen. But all it takes for Andy Dalton to throw the ball away is for him to even get a hint that he might be pressured and that ball is GONE. 3rd down that you need badly because you are behind, out of timeouts and the clock is running? TOSS IT! 4th down at the last gasp? AIR BALL! With A.J. Green, Hill, Bernard and even Blonde Puncher Joe Mixon, plus this rookie wideout who looks pretty good, Erickson? He has no excuse to be this bad. His checkdowns to one of those backs alone ought to have gotten some first downs on 3rd and long but not when he throws it away like a scared little girl. 8 quarters and they still haven't scored a TD. I look for that streak to continue.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Soulflame on September 17, 2017, 03:37:31 PM
538 is predicting the Browns will win 4 games this year, which seems hilariously optimistic.

I believe in you, Browns!  You can go 0-16 this year!


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on September 17, 2017, 05:37:03 PM
The game to watch is the Jets v Browns.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Soulflame on September 17, 2017, 06:09:42 PM
Not Jaguars vs Browns?  That one looks to be the Browns best chance to ruin a perfect 0-16 record.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nfl-predictions/games/


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on September 18, 2017, 10:42:30 AM
Cowboys got smoked in Denver. No shocker there since Denver's home record is the best in the NFL for 32 years. I chalk that one up to getting down early and then just giving up. Not that I condone giving up, but you get way down and it doesn't allow for calling running plays, forcing Dallas to throw more, and that's not what we're built to do. We're the ground and pound offense that plays off the defense, and the defense was horrible yesterday. On to Arizona, which will be another tough road game I don't really expect to win. Then two at home against the shitty Rams and the suspect Packers. If we don't win both of those? I'll get nervous at the chances the playoffs aren't in the cards.

The Bungles are fucking awful as we expected, but actually they are worse than that. They might be the worst team in the history of offense, except the Giants are challenging them right now for that title. I think the worst offense in history is the 1977 Tampa Bay Bucs who averaged 7.4 points per game, and we have THREE teams under that through 2 games, including San Fran, who by the way should have taken Colin Kaepernick back because nothing would be worse than watching Brian Hoyer attempt to play QB.

Biggest shock of the early season is Oakland and their offense, averaging 35 points a game and looking like they are going to ride Lynch into several key victories and a division title if they continue like this.

Did I mention the Saints yet? They won't even get to 7-9 this year like they have the last 3 years. That's a 5-11 team if there ever was one, AT BEST.

WORST 2-0 TEAM: The Carolina Panthers. They've scored 32 points in two games, which is WAY behind everybody else offensively, but their defense held firm against two bad opponents The Niners and the Bills.
BEST 0-2 TEAM: The LA Chargers. They lost by 3 to the Broncos on the road, which is again an impossible place to play and win most of the time, and they lost to the Dolphins by 2. The problem is their schedule is impossibly brutal for the first 8 weeks. I wouldn't be shocked if they go 3-5 in that stretch, and people write them off, only to finish 6-2 and and possibly end up in a Wild Card slot.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 18, 2017, 11:45:10 AM
So the Packers are exactly who we thought they were. Their defense is as usual suspect, completely vulnerable to any team with halfway decent pass blocking, as well as totally unable to handle any sort of run off tackle. Their offense is also Aaron Rodgers scrambling until his receivers can get open, which means if he can't move out of the pocket and hold the ball for the 7-9 seconds it takes these receivers to beat any shitty cornerback, he will get killed. We'll likely win 10 games just because of him, then get blown out by the Falcons in the playoffs because FUCK DOM CAPERS. The only form of defense he can make work is one that relies on a dominant pass rush - if the front 7 (plus whatever corner) can't get home, his defense will get torched.

The entire AFC West is looking stout. Now we know the Chiefs will lose in the playoffs but Oakland and Denver both look solid. That the Broncos defense was able to completely stifle Zeke Elliot is a good sign for them, while Trevor Siemian looked like an NFL QB. Who knew? BTW, trading for C.J. Anderson in fantasy paid off for me BIG TIME. Oakland's first two opponents were not that tough but they still look really good.

Jared Goff actually looks like an NFL QB at least until defenses figure out he only has one wideout he trusts. They should beat this shitty Niners team easily on yet another godawful Thursday night matchup. And yes, Kaep should be the most sought after free agent in the league right now but fuck these owners and their racist shitbaggery. FUCK THEM SO HARD. Just because of that, I would love it if some team signed him midseason because their QB loses a leg in some bizarre hunting accident and Kaep leads them to a Super Bowl victory. Unless it's the Redskins because fuck Dan Snyder.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: TheWalrus on September 18, 2017, 01:36:15 PM
I expect Seattle to pull their usual "We're not out yet, motherfuckers!" thing and get people worrying about playoffs, and then completely fuck the poodle. So. Back to being the standard Seattle team. Still good guys tho.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Phildo on September 18, 2017, 09:10:47 PM
In light of all that's happened, I just saw the following quote while looking up fantasy news:

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The Colts are underdogs at home against the Browns in Week 3.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on September 19, 2017, 08:43:32 AM
Watching the Giants implode brings me its own special brand of joy. OBJ and the media continues to try to perpetuate the myth he's more than a one-handed-catch-wonder, and Eli drinks out of a sippy cup at the end of games while Ben McAdoo checks his Zillow account everyday to figure out when is the right time to sell his house.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Shannow on September 19, 2017, 09:28:06 AM
In light of all that's happened, I just saw the following quote while looking up fantasy news:

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The Colts are underdogs at home against the Browns in Week 3.

The NFL, a quality football product everyone!


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Yegolev on September 20, 2017, 10:01:09 PM
I know I'm not in your league, but I just need to say that this is promising to be my worst year ever.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Soulflame on September 22, 2017, 11:35:51 PM
In light of all that's happened, I just saw the following quote while looking up fantasy news:

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The Colts are underdogs at home against the Browns in Week 3.

What the shitsnacks.  538 gives the Colts a 76% chance of winning.  Maybe this is some bizzaroworld version of underdog with which I am unfamiliar.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on September 23, 2017, 12:46:46 AM
Maybe the argument is that if you have anything less than 80% chance against the Browns, then that in many intangible ways makes you the underdog.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Shannow on September 24, 2017, 03:34:42 PM
Just saw the final scores for the 1pm games and left thinking 'wtf'!?


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Soulflame on September 24, 2017, 08:09:08 PM
And the Browns lose. Shockingl!

Seen somewhere: The Ravens took a knee then forgot to stand back up.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: kaid on September 25, 2017, 11:10:36 AM
So the Packers are exactly who we thought they were. Their defense is as usual suspect, completely vulnerable to any team with halfway decent pass blocking, as well as totally unable to handle any sort of run off tackle. Their offense is also Aaron Rodgers scrambling until his receivers can get open, which means if he can't move out of the pocket and hold the ball for the 7-9 seconds it takes these receivers to beat any shitty cornerback, he will get killed. We'll likely win 10 games just because of him, then get blown out by the Falcons in the playoffs because FUCK DOM CAPERS. The only form of defense he can make work is one that relies on a dominant pass rush - if the front 7 (plus whatever corner) can't get home, his defense will get torched.

The entire AFC West is looking stout. Now we know the Chiefs will lose in the playoffs but Oakland and Denver both look solid. That the Broncos defense was able to completely stifle Zeke Elliot is a good sign for them, while Trevor Siemian looked like an NFL QB. Who knew? BTW, trading for C.J. Anderson in fantasy paid off for me BIG TIME. Oakland's first two opponents were not that tough but they still look really good.

Jared Goff actually looks like an NFL QB at least until defenses figure out he only has one wideout he trusts. They should beat this shitty Niners team easily on yet another godawful Thursday night matchup. And yes, Kaep should be the most sought after free agent in the league right now but fuck these owners and their racist shitbaggery. FUCK THEM SO HARD. Just because of that, I would love it if some team signed him midseason because their QB loses a leg in some bizarre hunting accident and Kaep leads them to a Super Bowl victory. Unless it's the Redskins because fuck Dan Snyder.


I would concur on dom capers. I have not been really impressed by his defensive calls in years and it is just getting worse. Made worse by a lot of our big pressure guys were injured. And on offense our offensive line is having serious problems and the new running back is not doing his job throwing chip blocks there were a number of occasions he just totally ignored his blocks and guys ran right past him to sack rodgers. But I would agree we probably wind up winning 9-10 games getting into playoffs before failing out due to injuries yet again.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 25, 2017, 02:05:07 PM
The Packers brain trust (coaching/GM) is determined to piss away Rodgers last few years of elite productivity by being cheap asshats. Let our 2 starting guards go over the last 2 offseasons (to division rivals, no less) even though the dudes were just hitting their late 20's/early 30's and were still pretty damn healthy for O-linemen. They are certainly more healthy than both our starting tackles right now. Refuse to sign even a middling cornerback (like a Malcolm Butler, much less a Josh Norman) despite our best corner being concussed for over a year and our next best corner a 2nd year guy with massive holes in his game. The only reason our defense is even slightly more than a speed bump is because our front 7 is good - but Dom Capers coaches that entire front 7 to collapse on the QB and over pursue, leaving them insanely vulnerable to running QB's, good backs who run off tackle, draws, screens. Our wideouts when healthy can be good but not great and our training staff uses animal sacrifice to keep the team fit, so lots of injuries. OH AND LET'S HAVE A CONVERTED WIDEOUT BE OUR RUNNING BACK. Montgomery has done well, I'll give him that, but I still don't see him as a primary back. And pass blocking isn't even remotely his strong suit.

Aside from that, I will firmly state that Tony Romo is my new favorite NFL broadcaster. Fuck all these other assholes who have played or coached. His pre-snap reads on plays are just amazing. Yes, he's a bit of a goober but he's a likable goober and you can really tell the motherfucker played him some QB and was good at it by the way he diagnoses the play. I feel bad that he had to play for a Jerry Jones team for all that time so that I couldn't root for him and he didn't get the right team around him to allow him to win a Super Bowl.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sky on September 25, 2017, 03:36:40 PM
I find Romo to be obnoxious, and only slightly better than the abominable Ryan duo in the booth. His man-child inability to control himself is painful to listen to and at one point yelling at Rogers? Fuck that dude. I agree he does bring some interesting insight from a VERY narrow point of view, but it's not worth his overall lack of any ability in the booth. I personally like Collinsworth/Michaels as a team currently, and Gruden is my favorite live analyst/color guy. Even when Chucky gets pissed, he keeps a lid on it and mostly stays professional, unlike Romo. And coaches tend to have a better level view, Tony is 100% ready to shit on the O line and receivers for not properly supporting the QB gods.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Abagadro on September 25, 2017, 07:20:47 PM
He's 3 games in. He will get more polished. I think he gets too wrapped up in pre-snap reads and prognostication but his analysis and explanations are the best Xs and Os going right now. Give him some seasoning and smooth out his rough edges and he will be an even better Chris Collinsworth.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 25, 2017, 07:50:49 PM
I fucking HATE Jon Gruden. I mean, he was an improvement over Kornhole, but he is fucking nails on chalkboard difficult to listen to.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on September 25, 2017, 08:33:23 PM
At least Simms is no longer haunting the booth. Yeesh.. :uhrr:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sky on September 26, 2017, 08:28:48 AM
At least Simms is no longer haunting the booth. Yeesh.. :uhrr:
We can all agree on some things!


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on September 26, 2017, 01:23:49 PM
Cowboys are back to not looking shitty!


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 26, 2017, 01:31:03 PM
From what I saw of that game, the Cowboys were greatly helped by the Arizona offensive line being unable to block 3 pass rushers with 5 guys. So...


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on September 26, 2017, 02:28:44 PM
Wins are wins in the first 6 weeks. I worry about style points after that.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 26, 2017, 02:52:27 PM
Oh I agree. It was just more of they spent the first quarter literally unable to get the ball back and were lucky to only be down 1 TD before they finally started playing. I still can't figure out how the hell the Cowboys were continually sacking Palmer with a 3-man rush.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on September 26, 2017, 03:17:00 PM
Arizona is a team on the decline in my mind. Defensively they are a train wreck as they the lowest opp yards/point of anybody in the league, and they are 28th in points against. Also their turnover margin is -1.0 per game which isn't going to do them any favors if that holds up.

They aren't really good offensively either. And their opponents have been decent but they still barely edged out a rather bad Colts team in my estimation. And on top of that, it takes them tons and tons of yards to actually score anything because their red zone TD percentage is 27% and 29th in the league. That will lose you tons and tons of games. Rarely the bottom 10 of that stat does well, and if they do it's because they are stout defensively.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 26, 2017, 04:01:49 PM
Palmer is facing retirement. David Johson is on IR, and he's their best player, followed by Larry Fitzgerald who is 33. And they've let all their good defensive talent get broken or leave. You bet they are on the decline. Carson Palmer improves them over what they had previously, but he blew his shot at a Super Bowl against Carolina in the playoffs 2 years ago. They better be looking for a QB to draft.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 29, 2017, 03:11:50 PM
If there was any doubt, last night should have been a clear indicator that the Bears are shit and John Fox is going to get fired. I think he may actually be trying to get fired. Mike Glennon had committed 2 turnovers before the first quarter was over. Sure, he got better after the game was completely out of reach. 4th quarter rolls around, Chicago is down 35-7 and instead of trying to win, they continued their gameplan of "run ineffectually until we are forced to throw the ball." They made the Packers defense look good (hint: it isn't, though our rookie cornerbacks this year look better than last year's versions).


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on September 29, 2017, 03:20:03 PM
The only thing better than watching the Bears suck, is watching them suck while listening to Tommy Smyth and his English buddy politely diss the shit out of them with accents:

https://twitter.com/rodger_sherman/status/913569138605461504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbrobible.com%2Fsports%2Farticle%2Fchicago-bears-packers-british-announcers%2F (https://twitter.com/rodger_sherman/status/913569138605461504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbrobible.com%2Fsports%2Farticle%2Fchicago-bears-packers-british-announcers%2F)


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on September 29, 2017, 03:58:59 PM
Calamity is a very accurate description of the Bears.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Soulflame on October 01, 2017, 06:43:54 PM
Cleveland is utterly imploding, what a shock.  Currently their best chance for a win is still the Jaguars (I think?) and even that is at 38% chance.

Come on guys, you can totally nail 0-16!

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Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on October 01, 2017, 06:50:26 PM
Cleveland is utterly imploding, what a shock.  Currently their best chance for a win is still the Jaguars (I think?) and even that is at 38% chance.

Come on guys, you can totally nail 0-16!

youareafactoryofsadness.png

Clevelanders don't care ... It's all about how the Tribe is going to lose in the ALDS.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Soulflame on October 01, 2017, 07:00:57 PM
I am sure the Indians can pull that off.

The Cavs burned all of Cleveland's ability to win a championship for probably the next 100 years.

Thanks, LeBron!


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Chimpy on October 01, 2017, 07:13:18 PM
The city of Cleveland had ONE JOB which was to keep the Cubs from winning the World Series and thus starting the chain reaction of events that precede the end of days. I bet if the Cubs had lost, November would have turned out differently. Cleveland blew it :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on October 01, 2017, 09:45:48 PM
How exactly does Miami fail to score even a field goal against New Orleans? The Saints couldn't defend my dead grandmother.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 01, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Ugliest first half from Seattle I have seen in a while. 2nd half was fine, at least until Christ Carson's leg turned into a pretzel. My fault- I put him on my fantasy team.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on October 02, 2017, 12:07:37 AM
.....Christ Carson's leg....

Maybe he can heal himself and be ready for next week.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 02, 2017, 01:15:04 AM
That should be "Christ, Carson's leg" LOL


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Zetleft on October 02, 2017, 01:30:21 AM
Lost Carson and Delvin Cook on the same day.... that team is shot. 


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Phildo on October 03, 2017, 12:44:57 PM
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Pro Football Talk reports the Titans worked out free agent QBs Brandon Weeden, Matt Barkley, Matt McGloin, and T.J. Yates on Tuesday.

If ever there were a time for Kaepernick...


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on October 03, 2017, 01:06:12 PM
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Pro Football Talk reports the Titans worked out free agent QBs Brandon Weeden, Matt Barkley, Matt McGloin, and T.J. Yates on Tuesday.

If ever there were a time for Kaepernick...

Seriously... if you are in actual talks about Weeden starting for your team and you don't entertain the idea of working out Kaep, well that speaks VOLUMES.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on October 03, 2017, 01:55:10 PM
All of those names are objectively terrible QB's. If you seriously can't even be bothered to work out Kaep, you are admitting I'm a racist and my fans are racists too.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Soulflame on October 08, 2017, 05:28:00 PM
I realize this won't happen, but there is a possibility for two 0-16 teams this year!

San Fran and Cleveland.  Man wouldn't that be amusing.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on October 08, 2017, 07:23:28 PM
Man... it is getting almost impossible to do the 'stay the course' with this staff Cleveland is stuck with. How do you not even luck into a win in any of these first games? I'm all for consistency and keeping a GM/Coach around long enough to get it going, but when you are repeating the same stupidity game after game for 21 games in a row?

Having a shit load of draft picks being the only bright spot really is not worth it at all.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 08, 2017, 07:41:23 PM
Sounds like Garrett was useful at least.

Unlike Dallas's Garrett, who fucked up time management AGAIN and let Aaron Rodgers beat him. What a clown.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Soulflame on October 08, 2017, 08:19:54 PM
The rest of the Browns schedule looks pretty tough too.  Well.  Most of it.  Maybe they can beat Cinci on try two.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on October 08, 2017, 09:15:27 PM
The rest of the Browns schedule looks pretty tough too.  Well.  Most of it.  Maybe they can beat Cinci on try two.

They couldn't beat the Jets who are employing their former QB who couldn't do anything while in Cleveland. Couldn't beat Cinci... yeah, they are fucked.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on October 08, 2017, 09:43:44 PM
And they benched their top draft pick QB of the future! TBF, his replacement played better (at least by the numbers) but yeah, factory of sadness.

Also, the refs in that Dallas/Green Bay were shit, but at least they made up for one idiotic unnecessary roughness call on Green Bay with another completely unnecessary roughing the passer call on Dallas. I swear, the refs continue to suck much ass. It looks like Green Bay lucked into a RB with this Aaron Jones kid. Just based on what I've seen so far, he'd be my starting back over Ty Montgomery at the moment. Holy shit, that Green Bay offensive line, though. They are going to get Aaron Rodgers fucking killed this year.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Phildo on October 09, 2017, 10:56:21 AM
Don't count the Giants out, they may not win anything this year either now that all of their wide receivers are hurt.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on October 09, 2017, 11:18:16 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-players-who-disrespect-the-flag-wont-be-allowed-to-play/

Jerry Jones throwing the gauntlet down by threatening to fire his players for protesting... Yeah. OK. That'll get far if the whole OL decides just to kneel for the ha-ha's.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: jgsugden on October 09, 2017, 11:25:54 AM
Don't count the Giants out, they may not win anything this year either now that all of their wide receivers are hurt.
Giants play the 49ers, so there can be only 2, but it could be Giants and Browns... but I think there will be no 0-16 teams.  They'll all squeak out one to three wins before the end of the season.

As for Kaep - He is not a plug and play QB.  You have to build an offense around him to have success.  If you drop him into most teams, he'd struggle.  However, at this point, I think the smart thing for the NFL to do is to go to one of these bad teams with no playoff chances and a struggling QB - give them an incentive to sign and play Kaep.  Until people see him fail on the field, this idea that teams won't sign him only because they're all racist / scared of his media impact will not go away.  Even then it'll take a while....

And if you think Jones did not have a clear talk with his team before making that statement, and wasn't sure he'd get all of the core ones to stand, ... well, if they were not on boasrd, that statement would be quite different.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on October 10, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
Well, umm... ok (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/20979236/new-orleans-saints-trade-rb-adrian-peterson-arizona-cardinals-conditional-draft-pick).

Saints trade Adrian Peterson to the Cardinals for a conditional pick. Since David Johnson went down, the Cards need a back and Chris Johnson ain't doing it. Of course, if they can't block for Peterson, he won't be much of an improvement.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 10, 2017, 01:05:35 PM
AD will fit in fine with the rest of the AARP crew in Arizona.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Megrim on October 10, 2017, 05:16:01 PM
Don't count the Giants out, they may not win anything this year either now that all of their wide receivers are hurt.
Giants play the 49ers, so there can be only 2, but it could be Giants and Browns... but I think there will be no 0-16 teams.  They'll all squeak out one to three wins before the end of the season.

As for Kaep - He is not a plug and play QB.  You have to build an offense around him to have success.  If you drop him into most teams, he'd struggle.  However, at this point, I think the smart thing for the NFL to do is to go to one of these bad teams with no playoff chances and a struggling QB - give them an incentive to sign and play Kaep.  Until people see him fail on the field, this idea that teams won't sign him only because they're all racist / scared of his media impact will not go away.  Even then it'll take a while....

And if you think Jones did not have a clear talk with his team before making that statement, and wasn't sure he'd get all of the core ones to stand, ... well, if they were not on boasrd, that statement would be quite different.

What if.... what if they finish 0 - 0?


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on October 12, 2017, 04:08:44 PM
Zeke Elliot Appeal Struck Down, Will Likely Serve Out His 6-Game Suspension (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/21003461/court-clears-way-nfl-6-game-suspension-cowboys-ezekiel-elliott)

Or at least, a court has upheld his 6-game suspension so barring an appeal or some kind of reduction in suspension by the league, Zeke's going to be gone for 6 weeks.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Megrim on October 15, 2017, 06:56:31 PM
lol green bay


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Soulflame on October 15, 2017, 08:15:51 PM
Good thing the Browns sat their 2nd round draft QB, that really shook things up and turned things around.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on October 15, 2017, 10:45:22 PM
lol green bay

WEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, fuck me. Not only was that my team, that was also my starting fantasy QB.

FUCK.

ME.

RUNNING.

Also, I watched the Dolphins/Falcons game and holy shit, Jay Cutler is BAD. Like, it's been a while since I watched him and I think he is so shell-shocked from all the hits he took in Chicago, he has the yips. I think he might have thrown one pass the entire game where he held the ball long enough to set himself. Otherwise he was just slinging it every which a way. To be fair, his line was hot garbage at pass blocking, usually collapsing just before he fired it out of there. Still, with the wideouts he has, he should not be as shitty as he is, even with that line. He just literally looks like "Nope, not going to take a hit for these chucklefucks." Could Matt Moore really be so bad? If it wasn't for Jay Ajayi and a really good pass rush, this team would be vying for the #1 draft pick. Atlanta, however, has no excuse because going up 17-0 on a team that can't make a third down conversion shouldn't be an issue. Somehow, they give up 20 points in the second half and can't muster diddly shit for offense until the 2 minute warning, at which point they toss up an INT with less than a minute to go. Dan Quinn, DEFENSIVE GENIUS PEOPLE!


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on October 16, 2017, 12:34:50 AM
Maybe Green Bay should pick up Kaep?  They should have lots of tape on him running for thousands of yards against them.  Plus, the city of Green Bay should be more than supportive of a person of color expressing his rights.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: TheWalrus on October 16, 2017, 12:48:26 AM
Kaep is an evil motherfucker when he runs. Swear that dude dodges shit he's got no business dodgin.

Frankly, I'm a touch glad he's not playing, because Seattle can't seem to catch that dude for shit.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 16, 2017, 01:13:44 AM
That is why they should have signed him when they brought him in before the season. Instead we have Austin goddamned Davis. Hope Russ can stay healthy.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on October 16, 2017, 11:07:47 AM
I managed to beat Haemish with 64 points, which is saying something considering I had Matt Ryan and his team of fuckups as my main QB for the week.

Falcons are bad. The entire NFC outside of Philly looks supremely mediocre. Hell if the AFC doesn't run away with this Super Bowl again, I'm going to assume there was a real resurgence by one of these NFC teams in the second half.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: HaemishM on October 16, 2017, 11:32:58 AM
Maybe Green Bay should pick up Kaep?  They should have lots of tape on him running for thousands of yards against them.  Plus, the city of Green Bay should be more than supportive of a person of color expressing his rights.

You know what? I'd be perfectly fine with Kaep. He certainly has more experience than Hundley who is likely about to show his credentials for "I will always be a backup" as well as "Mike McCarthy has coasted off Aaron Rodgers for his entire goddamn coaching career."

They won't sign him because... well, you know why.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on October 16, 2017, 11:57:19 AM
I was thinking recently about how little of the NFL I'm watching lately and how the product looks rather...meh on TV.

Then I thought I'm mainly an NFC guy, and the NFC has one exactly one Super Bowl in the last 5 years. It's been incredibly dominant by the AFC teams in the playoffs, and we really don't talk about how much better the top end teams of the AFC seem to do against the NFC.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Phildo on October 16, 2017, 03:01:27 PM
I've watched practically no football this year, but I did catch the last quarter of the Steelers-Chiefs game yesterday and enjoyed it a lot.  Not just because I'm a Pittsburgh fan, either, I think.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 16, 2017, 06:44:23 PM
I was thinking recently about how little of the NFL I'm watching lately and how the product looks rather...meh on TV.

Then I thought I'm mainly an NFC guy, and the NFC has one exactly one Super Bowl in the last 5 years. It's been incredibly dominant by the AFC teams in the playoffs, and we really don't talk about how much better the top end teams of the AFC seem to do against the NFC.

And who was it that won that one?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Cyrrex on October 16, 2017, 11:48:07 PM
Dude, don't bring that one up!  It is just going to remind everyone of the other one....

I have cut my cable earlier this year, so there has been no football for me.  Don't feel like I am missing much.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on October 17, 2017, 05:26:29 AM
Getting really tired of people claiming anthem protests are having a negative effect on NFL ratings... It's low hanging fruit so I understand, but it still pisses me off.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 17, 2017, 11:26:56 AM
You have to remember that roughly half this country is so stupid they need reminders to keep breathing.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: TheWalrus on October 17, 2017, 01:38:58 PM
Obama endorsed regualar breathing, hydration, and food consumption. He also said you shouldn't drink bleach, that fuckin hippie.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Paelos on October 18, 2017, 02:07:03 PM
Getting really tired of people claiming anthem protests are having a negative effect on NFL ratings... It's low hanging fruit so I understand, but it still pisses me off.

I'm sure it causes some people to not watch, but I think if people were intellectually honest with themselves the time it takes to watch a full NFL game and get bombarded with literally the same ad lineup every 7 minutes for 4 minutes has a much bigger impact on ratings than the protests.

That and I think QB play continues to be an issue.


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: 01101010 on October 18, 2017, 02:58:51 PM
Getting really tired of people claiming anthem protests are having a negative effect on NFL ratings... It's low hanging fruit so I understand, but it still pisses me off.

I'm sure it causes some people to not watch, but I think if people were intellectually honest with themselves the time it takes to watch a full NFL game and get bombarded with literally the same ad lineup every 7 minutes for 4 minutes has a much bigger impact on ratings than the protests.

That and I think QB play continues to be an issue.

QB play, shitty refs, the less violent NFL, ads, etc. Anthem protests wouldn't even be an issue if the sports news didn't make it a clutch-your-pearls thing.

Bring back MADDEN in the booth!


Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: TheWalrus on October 18, 2017, 05:58:15 PM
"At the end of the day, the team with the most points wins!" Anyone can be Madden. Get drunk, smash yourself in the face with a 2x4, and yell all your commentary. You'll do fine.