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Just wondering if anyone else caught this?
First episode was a few nights ago. Interesting take and makes you wonder throughout what is and isn't real. While watching the GF was saying that she had no idea what the fuck was going on.

Overall I thought it was well done and the guy playing David/Legion was good.

I am not sure how or if they will tie it in to other Marvel/X-Men stories.

Trailer here if you haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SZ3rMMYBLY

This was pretty amazing, looking forward to more.  Prepared to get a Fight Club ending though.

I've got it recorded but haven't watched it yet. The guy playing David is the actor who played Matthew on Downton Abbey.

Also, this will not tie into the X-Men universe. It's a separate entity.

They were dropping the M word left and right at least.

There seems to be a gazillion comics I've never even heard of... like this one.  Some of them seem to make really good TV.  Hopefully, this will stay good!

It was interesting, if excessively disjointed and after the first 27mins FILLED with commercials. It was kinda nice to get to hear the M word a few times.

I had it buffered on the dvr, so the commercials weren't too annoying. It was kind of all over the place, but that works for a show about Legion. I think I only read the first few collections of his book, and there were only a couple hints of them in the show. I'm at least interested enough to see where it goes, it's a different and interesting concept in the comics and they've captured some of that feel in the show.

The X-Men movies can barely tie into each other properly. Best to avoid that cluster-fuck of a continuity anyway. They have said that David's parentage will likely stay intact although if his father shows up he won't be played by any of the actors who played him in the movies.

Also the writer on this is the showrunner and main writer of the Fargo TV series (at last couple of actors in Legion were in that show as well) .

Overall I really liked the first episode. Even knowing the character there was a lot to piece together here which makes me glad they're only doing an 8 episode first season since I think it will be worth a rewatch after it wraps up.

Legion is another character I know nothing about, and I'd actually forgotten that this was an X-Men thing until about half way through I realised that Rogue was Rogue (after 15 mins trying to work out where we'd seen the actress from, and then the Fargo connections all dropped at once too).

Really enjoyed it, excellently done. Most definitely on the weekly watch list.

Edit: The internet tells me that Bill Sienkiewicz, one of my favourite comic artists, was one of the Legion creators. I'll have to see if I can find some of those comics.

For the Bill Sienkiewicz stuff you'd have to get New Mutants Classic vol. 2 (for issue 25) and vol. 3. Actual physical copies of it can be pricey but I think you can get them digitally. He's a prominent character in the Muir Island Saga but I don't think that's ever really gotten a collection outside of the Essential X-men books which aren't ideal. He also accidentally created the Age of Apocalypse timeline in the lead-up story Legion Quest. More recently he was one of the main characters in X-men Legacy vol. 2 written by Simon Spurrier.

Noah Hawley does cool shit, so I'm looking forward to where he takes this.  Also liked that one of the characters from the mental institution was "Syd Barrett".

Is that Rogue? I thought Rogue's powers were to absorb other mutants' powers not body swap with them? I have no comic knowledge though.

I didn't think she was meant to be Rogue.

Thanks Velorath, that's very handy.

I noticed the Syd Barret name too, and in the background music playing in the scenes where they're leaving the hospital there was a threadnthat sounded a lot like something from Dark Side of the Moon. Ironic or delinerate, seeing as how that was recorded after Syd Barret was in a mental hospital barking at the walls...

And yes, you're right, it wasn't Rogue but just a character like her. Alternate reality and all that. Christ, Marvel really do shit up the whole idea of continuity, don't they?

My wife hated this. I thought it was kinda awesome. But I know the history, so there's that. Also, Aubrey Plaza.

Watched first 30 minutes and was bored out of my skull. Does it get better?

I was hoping they'd avoid using the shortened 'Syd' and just stick with Syndey, which I still thought was way too obvious, anyway. Overall it's pretty heavy-handed and ham-fisted, I was hoping they could've done a more interesting and nuanced story....but hey, Fox. They generally suck. I was chuckling while watching the new Avengers teaser talking about structuring the Infinity Gauntlet stuff going back to the first Avengers flick and building it through all the movies since...and then there's Fox over in the corner just giggling and randomly throwing stuff into a blender. Maybe Legion is a metaphor for Fox?

Anyway. Follow SinKEVitch, he's got awesome stuff, though he's super political right now.

I don't really do Twitter, but I'll have a look :)

I don't either, I follow him on FB.

Don't know anything about this character but I liked the first two episodes. The first episode was kind of dull until the big thing in the middle, but after that it's been very exciting. I don't really care for superheroes much so I don't want to set myself up for disappointment later, but it definitely seems a cut above the Netflix stuff.

This doesn't seem to be superheroes so much as people with super powers. Also, it's really stylish but I shouldn't have watched the 2nd episode while tired. It can make one very drowsy.

This show is still amazing, and now it has Rachel Keller's ass.  Apparently nobody is watching it and it is highly unlikely to get a new season.  This upsets me.

I watch this show and like it but it can be confusing.  I have no idea why someone's ass would make it better.  I guess I'm just not a big ass fan. 

So far I'm seeing no compelling reason they couldn't put this in the fox X-Men universe. If they done that, I'm betting the ratings will be a hell of a lot better.

It is a very nice ass.

But it's supposed to be confusing. All kinds of things are just not meshing, in ways that make it clear they aren't supposed to (fashions are all over the place, technology jumps from 60's to 90's to current to futuristic, and rarely matches the fashions, and that's just what I have noticed).

--Dave

Yeah, it's intentional weird and the general public isn't all that good with anything not obvious.

I have a feeling this is going to be one of those cult shows that fans bother the stars about for years after.

I think so, too.  It's not confusing in a bad way, more like a Twin Peaksy way.  It's definitely not something I'd expect from Marvel. 

I love this show.  Given what I know in the comics, nothing/everything/somethings/all the things could be real.  Or not.  They do pretty good on the creep factor with the bobblehead boy and fatface.  (I'm intentionally not naming suspects).

I think they've done well with the creep factor on just about everyone in the show.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/03/15/legion-gets-second-season-renewal-will-awhile/

woo!

Awesome! I don't mind waiting, that's fine. Really enjoying this. Shit, if I can wait for Rick & Morty I can wait for this to return.

New season coming a year after the first seems perfectly standard, what's the bad news?

That's great news, I was sure they'd ditch it for being so weird. Hopefully enough people continue to dig it. Because it's awesome.

The latest episode was sooo good. That's how you do an info dump.

My only issue with it was that the 'you've really been in a mental hospital the whole time and everything was just your crazy delusion' trope feels a bit old. But I get the point of it here, it's not really the same old same old.

That's actually not what they are doing in this show.

Yeah, not sure where you got that idea. 

Um, I am an episode behind, but the last episode was literally the entire cast in a mental hospital, playing the roles of long-term patients there. Now I guess it's David creating it all and not just a Buffy-esque illusion but the effect to the viewer was the same.

I love everything about this show. I am ecstatic they renewed it.

Yeah, even if they manage to completely mess up the last episode (and I doubt that), it's still possibly the best live action "superhero" show ever, and a damn great show in general.

I'm actually bummed they info dumped in that episode. I liked everything being vague and wtf. Then for some reason 'ok, here's everything that's been going on spelled out for you now.'

Bah.

Show is still amazing, but I feel that weakened things quite a bit and took a lot of the surreal feeling out of it.

Nice 'They Live' nod, though again, kinda ham-fisted and immersion breaking. Amazing they got so far into it before upsetting the psychedelia cart, though.

edit: the Parks & Rec chick has been redonkulously good in this show

Shit yes. This is the only other thing I've seen her in other than P&R and I really hope it leads to a lot more work for her.

Aubrey Plaza.  I concur.

I only recognized her as a background character in Scott Pilgrim.

Aubrey Plaza was also in two of the past years better comedy films, Mike & Dave Need Wedding Dates and Dirty Grandpa, both of which were worth watching/funny as well as featuring her in skimpy outfits. ;)

The sets are amazing for this show.

Stay until the end of credits.

So looking forward to Jemaine Clement next season.

That was brilliant. So unusual too, in many ways. Looking forward to second season immensely, and also looking forward to watching this again sometime between now and then.

Finally got to binge watch to the end of this season.

HOLY. SHIT.

I kind of knew who the villain was the entire time, I just wasn't sure they were going to use him/it. Aubrey Plaza KILLED IT but then just about everyone else did pretty good too. This is one of the trippiest, most amazing visual accomplishments I've ever seen, from all the different design aesthetics that somehow mesh to the uses of black and white and the different film techniques. It was wonderful and dreamy and yet still made sense once it all got explained. I thought the info dump was terribly necessary but also really well done - it might have been a little wordy but that was probably necessary for the average viewer.

Between this, Feud, Archer and Always Sunny, the FX/FXX networks are just beating the pants off every other network except maybe HBO.

You forgot Fargo, which imo bumps FX over HBO.  Also I thought man seeking woman was funnier than archer and sunny.

I did forget to mention Fargo. Same showrunner as Legion and I think he really outdid himself. So yes, FX wins. Actually, we all win because two networks producing so much good content in addition to Netflix and Amazon Prime means that there's more great TV to watch than time to watch it.

Sucked this whole thing down in two days and I loved it.  For a huge variety of reasons, most of which are mentioned here.

However, Question :

I haven't read Legion in literally years - but wasn't he ACTUALLY Schizophrenic ?  Did they just dump that shit ?

Yes, in the original, I think he was schizo, though he did have the Shadow King controlling him as well.

I think at the time the character was created Dissociative Identity Disorder and Schizophrenia were still largely being conflated.

Season 2 started last week. I had to watch it twice to figure out what was going on lol.

Season 3 continues the sweet delicious madness.

So maybe I'm just dumb but I'm beginning to think drug use is some kinda theme.  :why_so_serious:

Anyway I finally got a chance to watch the first two episodes. I think so far it's stronger than season 2 (even though I really liked s2).

I'd like to think the headbands are an Easter Egg of sorts. Back during the original Dark Phoenix Saga Beast made something similar to dampen Phoenix's powers.

Just started watching again, can anyone refresh my memory... what happened to the black dude that he's a robot now?

I watched that episode and have no idea lol.

IIRC something got into Ptonomy's (had to look that up lol) body and he basically exploded (or imploded; whatever his body was destroyed). Somehow he got integrated with the mainframe. Last season after his body died, he would either talk through one of the mustached women or you'd see him physically in a special set designed to show him "living" in a mechanical brain. I forget how it was laid out but it was obvious that was the impression they wanted the audience to have.

Now as to the "something" I mentioned earlier: I still have no idea what it was. Now that you've brought it up it had to be a manifestation of David somehow but I still don't get the connection. If you watched season 2 you saw how basically they started every episode talking about an idea/deception/lie (I can't remember what it was tbh); they'd show the effects, and sometimes a physical manifestation. This is the thing that killed his body, but I was confused because I thought all that stuff was allegory, but apparently it was real. The lie/idea revolves around David's self perception so that has to mean David killed Ptonomy, consciously or subconsciously. David never shows that he's aware that he killed Ptonomy so I'm guessing it was subconsciously.

Pretty sure season 3 introduces Ptonomy's new robot body.  

I think I missed the past couple of episodes so I'm going to watch them now.

Sometimes Legion is a hard watch for me. I have family members (mostly cousins and uncles/aunts) that have mental disorders, abused drugs and have suffered from depression so sometimes this stuff really gets to me.

They actually don't make it clear who was actually behind the brain bugs.  I just watched that episode for the fiirst time tonight.  I almost feel like it was a completely tangential story and they were supposed to be an analog for the Brood from the comics, and it was just random happenstance that fucked everything up, given how David addresses it at the end.

edit: now that I'm caught up with season 2, I might be wrong, but they never explicitly say what was going on.  I dunno if it was cleared up in season 3 or not.

They don't address that issue at all.

I really liked season 3. Even with a deus ex machina.

It was a satisfying ending, felt a little rushed but any other network would have just cancelled the show so I won't complain.

I didn't get the impression that anyone was behind the brain bugs, but that they where a delusion made real, just as described.