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Title: Wonder Woman
Post by: Evildrider on July 23, 2016, 02:12:13 PM
Wonder Woman trailer. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGoQhFb4NM)

Actually looks pretty good so far.  Wonder Woman and BatFleck were the best parts of BvS.  Kinda looking forward to this.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Khaldun on July 23, 2016, 03:05:51 PM
It does look decent. Actual color!


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Mac on July 23, 2016, 03:56:18 PM
Zee Germans again?

How boring.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on July 23, 2016, 04:59:45 PM
I'm digging it. There's also a Justice League trailer linked from that which looks fun.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Soln on July 23, 2016, 08:10:01 PM
Cautiously optimistic.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Venkman on July 23, 2016, 08:38:24 PM
It does look decent. Actual color!
Ha yea that was the first thing I noticed too :-)


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Evildrider on July 23, 2016, 09:14:11 PM
It does look decent. Actual color!
Ha yea that was the first thing I noticed too :-)

Yeah, look how bright the first JL pic is:

(http://static.srcdn.com/slir/w1000-h687-q90-c1000:687/wp-content/uploads/justice-league-movie-2017-cast.jpg)


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 24, 2016, 01:29:06 AM
#notmyflash


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Abagadro on July 24, 2016, 01:32:56 AM
He definitely did not skip leg day though.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Strazos on July 24, 2016, 02:13:04 AM
I thought for a second I was watching a female Captain America trailer.

I'm behind on the new DC movies.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Torinak on July 24, 2016, 02:40:14 AM
I thought for a second I was watching a female Captain America trailer.

I'm behind on the new DC movies.

It was WW1, not WW2, so it's clearly Xena: Warrior Wonder Woman Princess and not a Captain America wanna-be.

The trailer wasn't as bad as I expected, though my expectations were set by the Batman v Superman trainwreck.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Furiously on July 24, 2016, 03:33:18 AM
Chris Pine is an interesting pick, however seeing him in Stretch makes me think he's an awesome choice for any movie.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Margalis on July 24, 2016, 08:04:25 AM
Maybe this is petty but I hate how overdesigned and full of linework the Justice League costumes are. It's very busy and makes them look all samey, even with radically different color schemes.

It's like an artist who draws something great then doesn't know when to stop and keeps adding detailing until they've ruined it.

WW looks fine I guess. The juxtaposition of WW fighting in a realistic war setting is weird, especially with the color choice of WW herself being fairly bright but everything else in the picture color graded to be dark and low saturation.

I wasn't a big fan of Captain America one and the juxtaposition there was less stark. It at least looks like a step in the right direction though. At least it kind of seems like the people making the movie let themselves have a little fun maybe.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Khaldun on July 24, 2016, 08:35:59 AM
Yeah agree on the costumes. The Flash's particularly. There's this overwhelming fear of anything that looks even a bit spandex-y that Snyder and Co. have a particularly intense version of.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on July 24, 2016, 11:58:35 AM
To be fair to Synder and crew, the current run of DC Comics, the New 52, all have very similar lines in their costuming. The Flash's is a bit overdone in comparison but only a little. Guess who the guys spearheading the creative direction of the New 52 were? That's right, Geoff Johns and Jim "I like armor, lines and pouches" Lee.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on November 03, 2016, 11:46:50 AM
New Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q8fG0TtVAY&feature=youtu.be)

I'm digging it.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: eldaec on November 03, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
It does look decent. Actual color!
Ha yea that was the first thing I noticed too :-)

Yeah, look how bright the first JL pic is:

(http://static.srcdn.com/slir/w1000-h687-q90-c1000:687/wp-content/uploads/justice-league-movie-2017-cast.jpg)

Is it just me or does every head in that picture look like it is badly photoshopped onto its body.

I mean, obviously they are all photoshop jobs, but they usually don't look so much like it.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: schild on November 03, 2016, 09:51:53 PM
I fucking hated this trailer and thought it looked like horrific garbage.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Malakili on November 03, 2016, 10:32:41 PM
Looks on par with a bunch of the other origin story movies, which is to say probably pretty mediocre. DC sucks and it's hilarious.

I'll still watch this on netflix.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Khaldun on November 04, 2016, 05:53:46 AM
Dunno, the setting actually seems a bit different--not too often any longer that a big studio says, "Let's set a big action movie in World War I".


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: shiznitz on November 11, 2016, 04:22:42 PM
The trailer seemed to imply WW was a superior being even relative to her people. Did anyone else read it that way? Is that canon?

I expect to like it.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on November 11, 2016, 04:24:47 PM
The trailer seemed to imply WW was a superior being even relative to her people. Did anyone else read it that way? Is that canon?

I expect to like it.

Canon on Wonder Woman has fluctuated greatly, especially in the last 5 years. We have the original story of her being molded from clay by her mother (i.e. not born) and so she was definitely exceptional. When DC created the New 52, they changed her origin saying that the clay thing was something Hippolyta made up to cover the fact that Wonder Woman was made from a coupling with Zeus (therefore a demi-god). With the recent rebirth, they have hinted that this may also not be entirely correct anymore.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Khaldun on June 01, 2017, 07:43:33 PM
Seeing it this weekend. Cautiously optimistic.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Threash on June 01, 2017, 09:10:20 PM
Saw it, was great.  Theater was packed with children for some reason, which made it all the better when they showed a red band trailer for that Ryan Reynolds/Samuel L Jackson movie. 


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Velorath on June 01, 2017, 09:12:07 PM
I really enjoyed it although I could have done with a lot less CGI and maybe 30 minutes trimmed off.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: NowhereMan on June 02, 2017, 07:18:41 AM
Wait, DC's managed to fuck up Batman, Superman and the Suicide Squad movies but produced a good Wonder Woman movie?

What the actual fuck?


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Abagadro on June 02, 2017, 03:59:45 PM
Very good flick.



Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Khaldun on June 02, 2017, 06:26:04 PM
Great, a lot of fun, a couple of actually close to iconic scenes, great character work between Pike and Gadot. Could have used a bit more Etta Candy, who was nicely played and written for. Great arc for the character--has some interesting echoes of Thor's arc in his debut film, but with some good twists.

I think the final battle REALLY missed some possible story beats that would have set up a durable story engine for Wonder Woman AND the Justice League, though.

Basically:



Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Merusk on June 02, 2017, 09:09:11 PM
Female friend said she was bored and didn't enjoy it, but the two guys who've seen it have liked it. Waiting to see more female friend reports.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Ginaz on June 02, 2017, 09:54:10 PM
Female friend said she was bored and didn't enjoy it, but the two guys who've seen it have liked it. Waiting to see more female friend reports.

Why? :headscratch:


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Ruvaldt on June 02, 2017, 11:00:18 PM
Yeah, I don't understand that comment either.

This is really good.  Go see it.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: BobtheSomething on June 02, 2017, 11:12:18 PM
Female friend said she was bored and didn't enjoy it, but the two guys who've seen it have liked it. Waiting to see more female friend reports.

My wife really loved it.  She wasn't paying attention to any of the hype beforehand, but it struck a chord with her when we saw it, having a strong heroine who is also tender and feminine.  She wants to see it again.

It blew her mind afterwards when I told her the most badass Amazon is Princess Buttercup.

I thought it was a very good film with a weak finish.  The final battle had awesome spectacle and choreograhy but just didn't fit the film somehow.  Actually, a lot of the villain elements in the film felt formulaic compared to the Diana-centric narrative.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: schild on June 03, 2017, 08:35:56 PM
Wait, DC's managed to fuck up Batman, Superman and the Suicide Squad movies but produced a good Wonder Woman movie?

What the actual fuck?
They don't care about Wonder Woman I suspect, leaving the writers and directors to do what they wanted.

I could be totally wrong, but that's my Occam's Razor of the situation.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on June 03, 2017, 11:26:19 PM
You're probably right.

I saw this today and it was fantastic. It absolutely may save DC's bacon in the movie biz. Gal Gadot is superb as Wonder Woman. Setting the movie in WWI instead of WWII really helped sell the ending, as well as give the writers something to do that we haven't seen as much in movies. Chris Pine and Gadot have terrific chemistry together too. It's not just a good superhero movie, it's a good movie period.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: jgsugden on June 04, 2017, 01:44:26 AM
By far the best DC film. However, I think the dialogue failed the movie. There were so many hackney lines and predictable twists in the story.

Gal Gadot was far better as a naive and inexperienced Wonder Woman than I thought she would be, but I'm really curious how well she'll carry a Wonder Woman that has 100 Years of heroics behind her. I didn't get the feeling that that was the character we were seeing in Dawn of Justice. She also doesn't look the part of a Greek Amazon goddess to me, but she acted the part better than I thought she would be able to carry it.  This may not have been the perfect role for her, but she impressed me as an actress more than I expected.  Beyond beauty, she has real charisma. 


Although the film had some warts, they did a lot of things really well. This was a powerful and attractive female character that wasn't over-sexualized. Like Man of Steel, they did an impressive job of allowing the character to be powerful, but not letting it feel too much like a cartoon.  I believe that is the hardest thing to do with these overly powered DC characters. I expected to think that this movie would be a lot like Captain America because it was about a natural born leader in a World War era setting but I did not really feel like Captain America and Wonder Woman occupied the same movie space. They avoided treading on Captain America's feet and made this a different movie in the ways that mattered even though they had many identical beats in the stories.

I hope DC and Warner Brothers will look at what worked in this film and apply those lessons to their future films. We'll see if this success carries over to Justice League or not. The trailer so far are not leaving me terribly hopeful.  In retrospect, the biggest surprise for me is that they didn't do a massive publicity run across all spectrums to try and draw people to this film.  I think a lot of people were not expecting this to be as good as it is and may have passed on opening weekend because of their experiences with the prior DC films.  I had not been planning on seeing it in theaters at all until someone who saw it today told me that I really should go see it.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Abagadro on June 04, 2017, 02:17:02 AM
It will open in the hundred million range and likely have staying power with good word of mouth.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on June 04, 2017, 12:18:24 PM
I don't think many people were unaware of this movie. It's opened at $100 million already, a record for a female-directed film.

I actually think the chemistry between Pine and Gadot as well as the very intensely felt emotions that come from a high-pressure setting like war earned the use of the L word. As for whether they spent weeks getting to know each other, we don't actually know that their sailboat journey to London was overnight. It felt like it, but it didn't necessarily have to be one night. There weren't any clues to say how long it took so I'm ok with thinking they had time over the journey that we didn't see.

As for not stepping on Capt. America's toes, that's because of the different setting. WWI is just such a hugely different time period and type of war and the choice to set it then as opposed to WWII really was brilliant. You can have a war setting without it feeling like "Oh they just remade Capt. America" as well as skip the "RAH RAH AMERICA BEAT NAZIS!" feel that is almost necessary in such a time period.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Khaldun on June 04, 2017, 04:30:51 PM
Makes you realize--suppose they'd opened up the DCEU with:

a) Man of Steel--not great, but you could work with it--maybe this is how Superman gets to be a boy scout, because he fell into a fight without knowing how to protect civilians etc and vows to always protect people from that point on
b) Wonder Woman
c) A world-weary, cynical Batman film--different than Nolan, a Batman who is losing his struggle through entropy and age
d) Aquaman
e) and then Justice League, with the Flash and Green Lantern joining on without having their own films first.

Basically the MCU way.

They didn't do that because Snyder wanted to make a version of Dark Knight without all the backdrop required.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Trippy on June 04, 2017, 07:42:15 PM
Wait, DC's managed to fuck up Batman, Superman and the Suicide Squad movies but produced a good Wonder Woman movie?

What the actual fuck?
They don't care about Wonder Woman I suspect, leaving the writers and directors to do what they wanted.

I could be totally wrong, but that's my Occam's Razor of the situation.
Zack Snyder was a writer and producer and Wesley Coller who was a producer on MoS and BvS was an executive producer so it's not like they were ignoring the movie. It is possible the let the director her thing without much interference.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: jgsugden on June 04, 2017, 10:04:54 PM
Not all Writers and Executive Producers contribute equally. For example, Joss Whedon hasn't done anything on MAOS in a few seasons but has a contractual EP title on every episode.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Merusk on June 05, 2017, 08:07:27 AM
Yeah, I don't understand that comment either.

This is really good.  Go see it.

I meant to see what other women said, not waiting to go see it. The only reviews I had to that point were from guys all saying how good it was. I wanted a female view of this feminine-rights-appropriated symbol's movie. So far the ranking is 3/1 favorable with one of those 3 being on the fence but still enjoying it.

I think it was a little slow and could have used some cuts of scenes that were just a smidge too-long. Over all I enjoyed it, though.  The most WTF moment has been a History professor friend who complained about the use of the Fokker in the same timeframe as the tanks. Because THAT was the most unbelievable part of the movie...

My only real complaints are:
Not all Writers and Executive Producers contribute equally. For example, Joss Whedon hasn't done anything on MAOS in a few seasons but has a contractual EP title on every episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P_AnvUIvJs


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: jgsugden on June 05, 2017, 12:19:06 PM
What I find interesting on Facebook, on message boards, and in articles is the difficulty people have reconciling the idea of a woman not being sexualized and a woman being sexy due to her charisma, presence and physical beauty. People that would have no trouble discussing 'James Bond in a tuxedo' as sexy are struggling / hesitant to use similar words for Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman. She is a very positive type of sexy female role model - a role model based upon substance rather than skin - but sexy definitely belongs amongst the list of positive characteristics of this Wonder Woman.

Question: I did not see the extended edition of Justice League - was Gal Gadot's role significantly expanded in it?


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Threash on June 05, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
What I find interesting on Facebook, on message boards, and in articles is the difficulty people have reconciling the idea of a woman not being sexualized and a woman being sexy due to her charisma, presence and physical beauty.

She's also wearing the medieval version of a mini skirt, tube top and high heeled boots.  Not sure how anyone can look at her and think she's not being sexualized.  She's a comic book character, the sexualization comes included in the character.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: croaker69 on June 05, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
Aside from the bare shoulders and heels isn't that pretty much what Greek hoplites wore? They had interesting ideas about pants in general those ancient Greeks.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on June 05, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
Aside from her being a comic character, which means she is sexualized by default, I think they did a real goddamn good job of NOT sexualizing the character anymore than was necessary. Even the shots in her costume didn't strike me as such - there was much more sexualization in shots of the Bat butt in Val Kilmer's Batman Forever movie than in this.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Merusk on June 05, 2017, 03:11:14 PM
Agreed. It was just the ancient Greek costume that they all happened to wear. Nothing overtly sexual about it. If anything she's well-written as a character who DOESN'T understand she has a sexual charisma she could leverage. Which is quite awesome, even if a bit of a stretch. Lack of men != lack of sexual drive.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on June 05, 2017, 03:12:43 PM
They made clear that the lack of men wasn't a problem, with the whole thing about the 12 treatises on pleasurable love, which determined that men weren't required for anything besides procreation.  :drillf:


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Merusk on June 05, 2017, 04:05:54 PM
Yes, I got that. Which is what made her lack of awareness of her own sexual charisma even more baffling when thinking about it. Assume it's only self-pleasure that's the line is referring to. You're saying, yep everyone only masturbates so they're not attracted to other women and wouldn't have any awareness of their own sexual charisma and lack lust.

However we all know it's a wink and a nod to lesbianism and bisexuality. Which makes her lack of awareness just a scriptwriter throwing in a, "heh, lesbians," joke without considering the implications of the line. That makes it pretty patriarchal and separate from the interpretation of those who have latched onto it as a "go girl" moment. Wonder Woman isn't aware of her own sexuality until Rodgers brings it out of her, since she's obviously aware of it in BvS and uses it there.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: jgsugden on June 05, 2017, 04:17:23 PM
Aside from her being a comic character, which means she is sexualized by default, I think they did a real goddamn good job of NOT sexualizing the character anymore than was necessary. Even the shots in her costume didn't strike me as such - there was much more sexualization in shots of the Bat butt in Val Kilmer's Batman Forever movie than in this.
When Haemish and I agree...

I do not think she was unaware of man/woman relationships, or that she was considered beautiful and attractive.  They went out of their way to establish she had an academic knowledge of men as well as classical mainstream knowledge (she knew of Socrates, for example).  While she clearly did not fully grasp all ramifications of 'modern' society or her place in it, she was not some doe eyed simpleton that didn't understand it was wrong to show her boobies. 

While Gadot won me over, I'd have liked to have seen them find an equally talented actress that was physically more like most of the classic statues of Athena - which looked a bit less like a model.  A few degrees less of an hourglass figure - someone that looked a little less likely to break when hit.  However, as I've said, Gadot won me over and I didn't find myself dwelling on her outfit - which was covered up in pretty much every non-action scene in the movie.  Compare her outfit to Superabs and Batsculpture.  Her outfit is the least ridiculous with how it addresses anatomy. 


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on June 05, 2017, 04:36:25 PM
She wasn't aware of her own sexual charm because she'd never met a man ever and had no idea what would turn a man on. I think that line was fully aware of what it was implying - lesbianism, bisexuality, I think both were pretty clearly implied even if not outright stated. Think about it - she's from an island of all women, most of whom are going to be pretty above average physical specimens. While yeah, she was probably the hottest among them, I can see how she could very clearly not get that men might be falling all over her because of how hot she was, or even how to gauge that that's one of the ways she had power over them.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 05, 2017, 05:25:56 PM
Actually the wink and nod to lesbianism was when the general died an unnamed amazon ran to her side and began wailing as one would do with a lover who had just been killed in front of you.  The 12 treaties on physical pleasure was way more than a wink and anyone thinking it meant masturbation is way off.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Threash on June 05, 2017, 05:27:48 PM
While yeah, she was probably the hottest among them

Nope. Doutzen Kroes was hanging out in the background.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Merusk on June 05, 2017, 07:07:58 PM
She wasn't aware of her own sexual charm because she'd never met a man ever and had no idea what would turn a man on. I think that line was fully aware of what it was implying - lesbianism, bisexuality, I think both were pretty clearly implied even if not outright stated. Think about it - she's from an island of all women, most of whom are going to be pretty above average physical specimens. While yeah, she was probably the hottest among them, I can see how she could very clearly not get that men might be falling all over her because of how hot she was, or even how to gauge that that's one of the ways she had power over them.

All that says is that it takes a 'real man' to make a woman realize she's attractive. Because Lesbians totally don't get flirty and over-excited at someone they're attracted to, right? It's all just bred into the culture by men and lesbians mimic that stoic coolness of 'real men' the same way gay men are all effeminate because that attracts men.

Except, no.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Velorath on June 05, 2017, 10:26:23 PM
We also see that for a time Diana was the only child on the island and we know that she was created differently than the other Amazons. It's quite possible that none of the other Amazons ever thought of her in any sexualized way.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Abagadro on June 06, 2017, 01:11:37 AM
Good christ you people overthink a superhero movie.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: TheWalrus on June 06, 2017, 02:01:49 AM
^

Thank you.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Merusk on June 06, 2017, 12:36:56 PM
When a movie's good you take the time to over-analyze it. It's only the ones that suck that you stop thinking about.

How much time was spent thinking about Guardians of the Galaxy vs. Michael Bay's Transformers. Citizen Kaine vs. Gili. Now we have Wonder Woman vs. other DC Movies. Good things deserve thought.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: NowhereMan on June 06, 2017, 01:00:03 PM
Did I miss when we sat around breaking down the commentary on modern concepts of friendship, homosexuality and gender fluidity offered by the relationship between Rocket and Groot?


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Merusk on June 06, 2017, 01:10:49 PM
I hadn't thought of that, but if you want to start up that conversation let's do it. Beats, "That was awesome, more explosions!" twenty times.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: jgsugden on June 06, 2017, 09:36:56 PM
Did I miss when we sat around breaking down the commentary on modern concepts of friendship, homosexuality and gender fluidity offered by the relationship between Rocket and Groot?
He he... Groot had wood.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: MahrinSkel on June 08, 2017, 07:35:21 PM
Saw it with my daughter, we both liked it a lot. Setting it against the pointless meatgrinder of pre-armistice WW1 was a good choice,  Gal Gadot did a far better job of carrying off both the vulnerable sheltered girl and the implacable god-spawn aspects of the character than I would have thought possible.

--Dave


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Hoax on June 10, 2017, 09:31:10 AM
This was decent, def great by DC's low standards. The ending sequence and final villain was total junk. Despite being by far their best effort it didn't make me expect any more out of JL and I'm probably still not going to bother with it in theaters. Will be excited to see Gadot in a future not-WW role now, so good on her. They made WW fight scenes something to look forward to but I still feel as if the weight of the character (been a hero 100 years, immortal, etc) will drag it down. You have to be really clever in your storytelling and characterizations to make that work and this was much more a "wow they didn't fuck anything up badly" success than "oh my so clever" success.

I think you can skip it in theaters but the middle of the movie was for sure worth seeing in theaters. The 3d was the new average, which is great compared to where we were a year or 3 ago but I felt like I wouldn't have missed anything amazing without it.

At the end of the day I think I have to accept that I'm a Marvel kid and I just don't really give a fuck about DC characters outside of the Teen Titans thanks to that great cartoon run and Batman bc he's fucking Batman. Despite how good the JL cartoon was back in the day it still was filled with too many idgaf characters including Wonder Woman. She's just not very interesting and this movie while quite good didn't make her interesting to me when I imagine her in our/their timeline's present. We will see.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Khaldun on June 10, 2017, 09:43:17 PM
It tells you a lot that the director had to fight like crazy to keep the WW goes up over the trenches and frees a Belgian town sequence. The producers, the studio people, all wanted it cut. (Makes me wonder what Snyder thought.) And yet it's the single thing that impresses virtually everyone--that will be cited visually as an iconic scene that represents the entire genre from this point forward. That says to me that there is a fish rotting at the head more than anything else we've heard or seen about WB and DCEU--that hearing the pitch for a scene that absolutely makes a movie, they all clench their sphincters and say "No, that will never work".


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Hoax on June 10, 2017, 11:32:52 PM
It tells you a lot that the director had to fight like crazy to keep the WW goes up over the trenches and frees a Belgian town sequence. The producers, the studio people, all wanted it cut. (Makes me wonder what Snyder thought.) And yet it's the single thing that impresses virtually everyone--that will be cited visually as an iconic scene that represents the entire genre from this point forward. That says to me that there is a fish rotting at the head more than anything else we've heard or seen about WB and DCEU--that hearing the pitch for a scene that absolutely makes a movie, they all clench their sphincters and say "No, that will never work".

link? that was the only great action piece of the whole movie. that and some of the lasso work later on was pretty cool. the fight on the beach was pretty dumb and badly done/shot and the final fight was boring as fuck in comparison. that part basically hard carried the film.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on June 10, 2017, 11:33:46 PM
I've heard the same rumor but I don't have a link to confirm it.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Khaldun on June 11, 2017, 06:15:41 AM
https://www.fandango.com/movie-news/wonder-woman-director-patty-jenkins-on-how-the-films-most-memorable-scene-almost-didnt-happen-752330

http://io9.gizmodo.com/wonder-womans-most-fantastic-scene-nearly-didnt-get-mad-1795811939


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: MediumHigh on June 11, 2017, 09:28:33 PM
This movie proves that the last few DC movies failed at basic competent movie making. This was a good movie, and I agree Hoax. Between DC low standards and the fact that the last 5 minutes of the movie could be edited out you have 7-8/10 movie that's highly enjoyable but ultimately really hollow. In fact I wager you can edit out the first 5 minutes of this movie as well as Ares killing all the greek gods is remarkably stupid. Oh and the CGI was janking as fuck. I mean my fiancee was laughing at some action scenes due to how cartoonish some of the effects were.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: BobtheSomething on June 11, 2017, 09:54:16 PM
The thematic miss in the ending is pretty glaring, and will likely lead to some memorable parodies.  ("I choose love!"  Thunder crash kill!). That's really the only part of the movie they should feel embarrassed about.

Digital effects can only go so far, and they always look bad in retrospect or if you aren't engaged with the film.   The director chose to focus on the striking visual design of the action pieces instead of verisimilitude.  I feel like that was the right decision. 


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: DevilsAdvocate25 on June 14, 2017, 03:10:29 PM
The thematic miss in the ending is pretty glaring, and will likely lead to some memorable parodies.  ("I choose love!"  Thunder crash kill!). 

This was my biggest problem with the movie. I loved it overall, but this logic just doesn't work for me:



Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Tale on June 14, 2017, 05:57:16 PM
I saw it last night. It was a good superhero movie. It would probably sit well in the Marvel ranks. I'm starting to tire of superhero movies now though.

For a movie that prided itself on switching languages, the use of languages and accents was a bit weird. I was initially thrown by the super-strong Israeli accent from the lead actor, which the other Amazons copied to make it the Amazonian accent. In the town Wonder Woman freed, the locals all spoke German to her. Then they celebrated their freedom with French songs. That's all possible in Belgium, but seemed a rare combination to encounter. I would have thought they'd speak Flemish or French.

I'm also not sure you could just dial London from a public phone in WWI Belgium, get through without an operator, and chat in a kind of hands-free way and then say "you're breaking up" and pretend to lose the call. Dramatic licence I guess.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: kaid on June 15, 2017, 03:00:58 PM
Yes, I got that. Which is what made her lack of awareness of her own sexual charisma even more baffling when thinking about it. Assume it's only self-pleasure that's the line is referring to. You're saying, yep everyone only masturbates so they're not attracted to other women and wouldn't have any awareness of their own sexual charisma and lack lust.

However we all know it's a wink and a nod to lesbianism and bisexuality. Which makes her lack of awareness just a scriptwriter throwing in a, "heh, lesbians," joke without considering the implications of the line. That makes it pretty patriarchal and separate from the interpretation of those who have latched onto it as a "go girl" moment. Wonder Woman isn't aware of her own sexuality until Rodgers brings it out of her, since she's obviously aware of it in BvS and uses it there.

Well you have to consider she is a beautiful woman from an island of beautiful women.  I am not sure how a society like that would handle sexual charisma if at all. Also she was basically the only child on the island and everybody there saw her grow up. I am sure that probably had a fair amount of impact on how others interacted with her.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Riggswolfe on June 22, 2017, 08:06:02 PM
Yes, I got that. Which is what made her lack of awareness of her own sexual charisma even more baffling when thinking about it. Assume it's only self-pleasure that's the line is referring to. You're saying, yep everyone only masturbates so they're not attracted to other women and wouldn't have any awareness of their own sexual charisma and lack lust.

However we all know it's a wink and a nod to lesbianism and bisexuality. Which makes her lack of awareness just a scriptwriter throwing in a, "heh, lesbians," joke without considering the implications of the line. That makes it pretty patriarchal and separate from the interpretation of those who have latched onto it as a "go girl" moment. Wonder Woman isn't aware of her own sexuality until Rodgers brings it out of her, since she's obviously aware of it in BvS and uses it there.

Well you have to consider she is a beautiful woman from an island of beautiful women.  I am not sure how a society like that would handle sexual charisma if at all. Also she was basically the only child on the island and everybody there saw her grow up. I am sure that probably had a fair amount of impact on how others interacted with her.

It's pretty clear that the higher ups on the island know who and what she is. And from the way it is played, I think a lot of the Amazons equally worshipped and feared her. Just watch the training sequence.

I doubt any of them laid a finger on her for fear of what the Queen would do combined with the knowledge that she was basically alive purely to stop Ares.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Samwise on June 25, 2017, 01:16:56 AM
I thought this movie was decent.  I'm very confused about something that happens toward the end and need someone to explain it to me.


Also what happened to the battleship after that beach scene?


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: SurfD on June 25, 2017, 01:52:45 AM
The battleship appeared to be sinking, or at least listing very heavily to one side, so it is possible it either hit an undewater rock, or that crossing the barrier protecting Themiscrya did something to it.

As to the end:


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: jgsugden on June 25, 2017, 10:49:44 AM
Ares is one war God. There are others.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Samwise on June 25, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
Is/was there a Kryptonian Ares that made Zod into an asshole?

I just have so many problems with this entire premise.  The movie was still fun though.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Sir T on June 25, 2017, 03:22:03 PM
Ares was a long time WoWo comic book foe.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Samwise on June 25, 2017, 07:14:43 PM
It makes sense if he's a recurring behind-the-scenes villain who various wars and atrocities can be blamed on when the need arises, but if he's the ultimate source of all evil in the world and you kill him, you kind of have a problem telling any more stories after that.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on June 25, 2017, 09:15:52 PM
The point they made was that he WASN'T the source of all mankind's evil, nor even of the war itself. He stokes the flames, he massages it here and there, but just getting rid of Ares wont end all wars because the problem is with mankind. I do think his defeat might have released some of the natural aggression he causes in those around him, and the Germans hugging the Americans at the end was meant to be a sign of that. That part of it even made me blink a little in the theater, it took me out of the movie immediately.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Abagadro on June 25, 2017, 09:41:44 PM
They also just watched two gods go at it, so maybe they were all just like "holy fuck dudes why are we messing around".


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 25, 2017, 09:59:34 PM
They also showed those German soldiers to be basically kids, fighting a war they probably wanted no part of.  Whether historically accurate or not, I did get where they were going with it but really my biggest problem was the ending slugfest with british Ares, just seemed poorly implemented plus Area escaping without the fight and having her fight be with something else would have set up a sequel better.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: jgsugden on June 26, 2017, 01:50:47 AM
If you take the view that Ares can cause War, but is not the source of all war, then the story works just fine. Under that view, Ares inflamed the Germans to war in this version of World War 1, but when he was lost the Germans lost the inflammation he was bringing. It was sloppy, but so much In these superhero movies ends up needing a sloppy answer to wrap it up within a reasonable time.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: MediumHigh on June 26, 2017, 05:38:44 AM
This movie had great direction and a good script. But the story board sucked balls. This is a horrible jumping point for any future wonder woman movies.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 26, 2017, 07:49:52 AM
This movie had great direction and a good script. But the story board sucked balls. This is a horrible jumping point for any future wonder woman movies.

I'm pretty sure they made the movie thinking a sequel wasn't even a possibility, it seems very self contained.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Merusk on June 26, 2017, 08:08:47 AM
Yep, it was meant as a 'shut the fuck up,' one-off to appease the public complaining that only Bats and Supes got movies. It did far better than it was expected to. Oops.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Trippy on June 26, 2017, 10:10:59 AM
And WB screwed themselves by not signing Jenkins to a multi-film contract because of that.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Sir T on June 26, 2017, 10:21:59 AM
Which means if they go crawling to her with an "um... Sequel?" offer she will be much more bullish about control over the movie. Whether WB will stand for that is a good question.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on June 26, 2017, 10:25:05 AM
WB might as well point a shotgun directly into their collective faces if they don't sign Patty Jenkins up to direct at least one sequel. I mean, it's a fucking no-brainer after the success of the movie.

I expect they'll sign Michael Bay or McG to direct it any day now.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Sir T on June 26, 2017, 12:02:28 PM
What's Uwe Boll doing these days?  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: kaid on June 26, 2017, 01:24:34 PM
I thought this movie was decent.  I'm very confused about something that happens toward the end and need someone to explain it to me.


Also what happened to the battleship after that beach scene?



Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: jgsugden on June 26, 2017, 07:39:04 PM
If not utter BS, I think this will result in BIG things in the future... you know, Later at the Hall of Justice.

http://www.syfy.com/2017-6-26/this-wonder-woman-character-has-amazing-secret (http://www.syfy.com/2017-6-26/this-wonder-woman-character-has-amazing-secret)


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Ironwood on June 27, 2017, 03:12:06 AM
I question what would happen if you weren't here to post clickbait.  The answer may surprise you !


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: HaemishM on June 27, 2017, 11:15:12 AM
Ahhh, I didn't mind the clickbait, as that's a pretty interesting Easter Egg (to me at least).

Here's hoping we get


in later movies.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: jgsugden on June 27, 2017, 01:41:52 PM
I question what would happen if you weren't here to post clickbait.  The answer may surprise you !
If I were not here to post?  Then it would be:

F13.Net
Cynical
Commentary


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Ironwood on June 27, 2017, 01:46:10 PM
Ha.


Title: Re: Wonder Woman
Post by: Shannow on June 27, 2017, 11:21:59 PM
I would happily worship Gal Gadot as a goddess.