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I want this so right now.  Please!

http://www.tor.com/2016/07/22/feast-your-eyes-on-the-first-footage-from-american-gods/

(Sorry, I can't find a link just to the video)

Time to reread the book to refresh my memory.

Starz should change their name to "Just Torrent This Stuff."

 :star:

Yeah, but it's Lincoln from the 100, Al Swearingen and that chick from Sucker Punch! That's worth a month's subscription. Shit, I did it for the shitshow that was Torchwood: Miracle Day.

How much does their add on sub for Prime cost?

McShane is almost the perfect Mr Wednesday.

I'm more excited about Peter Stormare being Peter Stormare again.

That's a really good cast! Also excited for this now.

Interesting in that I wasn't a huge fan of the book. It had a good premise but the actual execution was pretty meh. I thought it peaked very early.


I'll be more interested in this if they are willing to depart from the book. I don't remember much about the book, but I remember the main character / central plotline being the worst part of it.

I wouldn't go that far, as I overall enjoyed the book, but I somewhat agree.  It had a very neat premise and setup, but I felt overall it was sort of meh.  Not bad, just..... meh.  Seems like he could have done more with it.

TV series could run with it and be awesome.  Looking forward to it.

From what I recall in the book

I don't really remember the book well, and I don't remember being impressed by it at the time. If the show turns out to be great maybe I'll give it a reread.

When I was reading this book, I was basically picturing McShane as Wednesday.  Pretty cool to see it happening.
Oh, and Crispin Glover is Mr. World!  (not really how I pictured him, but Glover makes the character better).

My opinion, this will translate better to TV than it has on actual paper.

Gonna have to read this again. I remember liking Anansi Boys better, but AG was fun.

In other coming to TV news- I saw an article that Amber is being made into a series. That should be interesting too. Time for a re-read.

I remember feeling kind of meh about AG, for some of the reasons already mentioned--great concept, not really what I would have thought you'd want to do with it. But the trailer has me interested.

Coming this weekend...

SQUEEE!

I know!  :cry2:

Going to have to figure out how to watch this without subbing to Starz just for one show. 

Semi-related - this past weekend was a free HBO/Cinemax weekend and there was absolutely nothing on I wanted to watch, which reminds me why I don't have premium channels.  And then this happens....

I have the benefit of living in the same town as George RR Martin (who is like bff with Gaiman), so he's playing the 1st epi at his theatre in town (George owns a piece of a Violet Crown and a little indy cafe cinema called the Jean Cocteau).  His office is actually right upstairs and he just hangs out, basically.  Hehe.  Big boardgamer too apparently.  Basically just an old geek.  Gaiman visited last summer and signed a buttload of stuff for George's bookstore (I have a Sandman of his now); and that's when I read the book.

Yeah, there were a few movies I let just play, but I've seen them before. Like Deadpool, The Martian, and a few things on the Comedy HBO which I've already forgotten. No real value there, except this is how I got to watch SV and Veep. Now I have to struggle with "Do I really want to sub, or just wait until they're elsewhere?"

I think between this, Evil Dead, and Spartacus, Starz might have earned a subscription from me.  I already subscribe to HBO just for Game of Thrones.  Still way cheaper than a premium cable package...

Black Sails is the real gem on Starz.

Gettin ready to head out to SantFe and watch the opener at the theater.  Gaiman is going to Skype in apparently.

I don't think anyone has asked him, so ask GRRM when he'll finish the book.

This was good.  Two things kept the first episode from being great.  First, because they had to stuff it into an hour, it was all set up and introduction with no real reason to care about the characters other than "Neil Gaiman wrote this, so something good is going to happen".  They didn't feel mysterious, just here's another person we'll learn more about later.
Second, a lot of the exposition dialog was awkward.  It was amazing prose when read, but spoken aloud, it sounds stilted and weird.

Never read the book but decided to check it out anyway. I liked it. Ian McShane is awesome.

I liked it, I think Gaiman did a much better job of introducing the supernatural elements gradually though.

(saw it Friday)  My only "gripe" with the 1st epi was that it seemed to be written for folk who have already read the books.  Which is a great thing really, but I left curious as to how non-readers would view it.  Overall was an amazing showing and word on the street is that Gaiman's show may give Martin's a run for its money. 

Gaiman did indeed skype into our viewing btw, which was a serious treat.  The whole event was free; which doesn't surprise me, because he and his boy George are pretty philanthropic socialist types;  Amanda Palmer is Gaiman's wife for gods' sake.   Gaiman is indeed as charming, likeable, and odd as he seems and people have reported.  Made me want to gather at more of his tours/talks if I've got the chance.

He apologized for all the blood in advance, though.  lol   But he said "it represents about 90% of the blood in the entire series."  I was oddly disappointed at that statement.

I bought the book 2 years ago but decided to wait to read it until after I'd seem some of the (then newly announced) show.  I knew a bit about the story, but not the fine details.

I think this worked for the most part, but they should have saved the sex scene for a later episode.  It felt out of place with the rate of reveal of the rest of the story - it gave the audience a lot more information than Shadow Moon has. 

I know they anticipate a 5 year story to tell the story of American Gods I.  GoT felt rushed - I worry that this will feel drawn out.  I hope that they insert a lot of original material to keep it moving so that we don't get a slew of 'elevator episodes' with them talking in the car and nothing really moving for the characters.   However, apparently they're weaving in elements of the outline of American Gods II that Gaiman is going to write - maybe that is a concurrent story and they'll use that to fill out the first story?  Or a lot of the 5 year story additions will be setting up the events of that book?

I was enthralled with it.  The 'Coming to America' bits interspersing the actual storyline was well done, keeping you from getting distracted and keeping you from overanalyzing the weak points.  I think the changes were well done for the most part, though I think the weakest change was the viking one in the opening. 

I think the actor choices were phenomenal!  Of course I'm an Ian McShane fanboy, but Low-key, Sweeney, Shadow, even Tech-boy really nailed the parts.  The glimpse of Ibis made me scratch my head however.  He looks almost nothing like I envisioned him, but that's probably on me.

This will probably be one of the shows we watch every week on schedule, which doesn't happen a lot these days.

This is the first I'd heard that and I'm kind of excited to see what they do with it.  Being that Gaiman is actually involved rather than it being another team trying to stretch his work out, I'm not worried that it'll end up feeling like they're killing time (as has happened in GoT a lot since they ran out of book to work with).

There is enough offshoot material to stretch it out beyond a single season for sure (especially if you count Norse Mythology and Anansi Boys).  

A lot is abstracted, so there is a lot of room for filler.  All in a book you could read in a day really.

Are we not spoilering anything since the book has been out for so long?  Might want to consider doing so anyway.

I thought the standard procedure was to make an illiterate version of the thread, which everyone then ignores.

As there are many that have not read the book(s), I'd request we use spoiler tags. 

I'd be curious as to what percentage of the book that first episode represents, but I could not find my copy of the book last night.

Personally, I prefer this over trying to follow multiple lines of conversation in a thread where half the messages are wrapped in spoiler tags.   :awesome_for_real:

(edit) IT IS DONE

I find the two thread approach generally doesn't work.  Either nobody posts in the thread for the non-book readers, or a book reader just posts spoilers in it anyways. 

If a book reader posts spoilers in the no-book thread, we can give them a stern talking to or whatever.

Can't help you so much with the issue of nobody else wanting to talk about the show while avoiding talking about the book it's based on.  That's exactly why I think it's unreasonable to expect these threads to be book-spoiler-free-zones as a general rule.  Comparing and contrasting with the book and speculating about how they'll handle X from the book is like 80% of what anyone wants to talk about with a show that's based on a popular book.

It is almost exactly the first chapter.

To be fair, the book is 16 years old, and the series isn't a surprise. 

The fun thing about this series coming out so long after the book is that it's been long enough since I read the book that most of it will be new to me.  I remember the broad outline and the most significant characters but I can't remember for the life of me what's going to happen at the start of the next episode.

I think last year they were saying it might be 3-4 seasons. Not sure if that's changed since then. This season is 8 episodes long and judging from the episode titles I could see it wrapping up maybe a little bit past the end of Part 1. It's also worth noting that the story has been lengthened a bit since it was first published. The 10th anniversary edition which is still being published is 12000 words longer than the original version.

I don't even remember that much. Bits started coming back to me as we watched the first episode (the alligator bar rang a bell) but not much more than that.

We were trying not to start watching any new series until we've finished off a couple of ongoing things we're watching but we couldn't resist. Glad we caved. Truly, we're living in a golden age of television.

Me too. Can't remember a damn thing about it (also not helped by the fact that a lot of bad shit was happening in my world at the time I was reading it)

I loved all the gods we met this episode.  Especially Anansi.  I can't want to see more of that character.   :heart:  Having him show up in that crazy suit was perfect for his trickster nature -- most gods would appear to their followers in a guise that they'd expect, but Anansi just doesn't give any fucks about anachronism.  Wonder if he'll still be played by Orlando Jones in the modern-day sequences, since when we meet him in the books he's described as a little old man.  It'd be pretty cool if they changed the actor for "old Anansi" but brought Jones back to star in an Anansi Boys series.

Gillian Anderson was also amazing as Lucy and that sequence felt perfect; I especially remember the "did you ever wanna see Lucy's tits?" line and that would have been really easy to fuck up by making it too over the top and vulgar, but I think Anderson nailed that whole sequence in terms of going from hot to cold to hot again to sort of keep Shadow off balance the whole time. 

Czernobog was just the right amount of weird and scary and (just barely) sympathetic.  His monologue about him and his brother both turning gray was fantastic; I can't remember if that was in the book.

Really like the developing relationship between Shadow and Wednesday.  With this episode we really see what sort of a guy Shadow is.  And once again, I vaguely remember many of these events from the book, I remember Czernobog and his hammer and the bet, but the cliffhanger still works because I can't quite remember how Shadow gets out of trouble.

That answers my first question as a non-book reader (yet) - are they sticking to the outline of the story from the books or adding to embellish.  This seems like a series where they could add a lot of 'character of the week' additions to the original book to more fully explore the world.  It sounds like they have not done so (yet?)

I think the "coming to America" flashbacks at the start of the episodes are new material.  There are a LOT of characters in the book that appear relatively briefly, so they can build on any of those and not need to add any new characters.  I also don't think the fertility goddess (I forget her name now) who's showing up in cutaways was a part of the story by this point.  The book mostly stuck to Shadow's POV -- there were flashbacks to his own past, but I don't remember a lot of scenes where we actually see the exploits of the other gods/creatures unless it's through Shadow's eyes, or by having someone (usually Wednesday) telling a story about them.

BTW I really liked Czernobog very subtly spilling Wednesday's real name but using an old form of it that Shadow (and most viewers) wouldn't pick up on.

No, those are straight out of the book. They are even tagged "coming to america".

Saw the first episode, never read the book. Loved it.

The problem with the book reader/tv show threads isn't that book readers want to discuss the book, it's that they spoil the TV show by disclosing things that haven't happened yet without using the spoiler tag. I don't understand this.

One thread, two threads, whatever. Just use the fucking spoiler tag if you're going to spoil or if you don't know if you're spoiling or not.

re: STARZ

Haven't watched Black Sails much, but loved The White Queen (and now watching The White Princess). Another show I've watched is Outlander, although it's uneven for me.

It just gets silly when a whole page is filled with posts that are all spoilered because the book readers have a lot more to talk about than others.  Hence why the two thread solution was tried.  The fact that it doesn't work is more a testament to the perverse willfulness of non-book readers to play chicken with spoilers and then bitch about it after when they lose, than the desire for book readers to 'ruin' the show for anyone.

I am also prejudice though because I think the whole idea of spoilers is fucking stupid.

I agree with that. Do you enjoy watching a show less because you already know the story? Do you enjoy reading a book less after having seen the movie? The specifics of a story, in most cases for me, are secondary to the other things that make a TV show, film, book or game great.

But of course I do respect others opinions, even if they're different from mine (gasp), so I wouldn't deliberately or carelessly spoil a story for someone else, but I won't be overly upset if I read a spoiler for something somewhere.

This show so far is fucking great. Ian McShane is perfectly cast.

Having a great twist spoiled does diminish a show or movie. Watching the Sixth Sense the first time, when you either do not know or are only speculating, is different than viewing it the second time when you are watching how they weave in the clues and hide the workarounds. If you had it spoiled, you miss that first experience.

Very few things are the sixth sense though.

Few are that infamous, but most shows and movies have twists. Some are pathetically telegraphed, but very few scripted entertainment pieces go straight ahead down a clear path where you're intended to know what is to come.

That boat seen was pretty hammy. I mean Spartacus hammy. But you know I watched all 4 seasons of Spartacus and the prequel. Also does the shows ability to teeter back and forth between playing it straight and playing it on drugs oscillates between awesome to grating. Like the show is begging for a big payoff and I'm getting the sneaky suspicion we're watching it blow their load.

Watched the first episode ;  I'm not sure I like this.  I can't quite figure out why.

Full disclosure :  Loved the book.

Not the best example, I worked out the "twist" in Sixth Sense 30 seconds in. But I take your point :)

Same here: The kid sees dead people, and nobody but the kid actually talks to Bruce Willis. I kept waiting for the 'twist' everybody was raving about, because dead therapist was too obvious.

--Dave

Even then: We think we know the twist, but do not know for certain. That is a different experience than watching and absolutely knowingly.

I think we're a bit on the fence too. I cannot put my finger on it, but there's something off-putting about it even while it's also engaging. The visuals are great, the performances are strong. There is just something oddly soulless about it, and I thought that a bit about the books too. It is a basic problem with the whole idea of gods interacting with mortals this way, maybe. It's ok with superheroes, but it almost feels as if it should be something even deeper and more primal and eerie than it is here. There is a literalness about some of it that feels too on the nose. The Bilquis scenes are closer to that feeling than anything else so far.

Is it possible to have an aneurysm from rolling your eyes too hard?

I've noticed that this has almost Hannibal like stylings that it doesn't deserve.  I really don't need to see a single raindrop in slow motion.  Fuck off.

Bryan Fuller is involved so yeah it has his [wonderful] style all over it.

Christ, you guys could suck the joy out of a puppy party.

I'm enjoying it, it's fun.

I think the overstylization may be really what's eating me too. It's good, it just feels a bit much. I dunno. I can't really identify fully why I like it but don't love it.

Yes.

Does anyone that has not read the book really care about Shadowmoon?  He just seems ... flat to me.  He needs to carry the show.

Alas, that turns out to be the point.  If anything, he's too interesting right now.   :grin:

There was always a mystery around Shadow in the book, I don't think he was intended to only be purely the bland every-man character.  You were immediately wondering why he was chosen for all this, and he has the tendency to instinctively know the right thing to do that hints at bigger things.

As to the over-stylized feeling, this is the realm of legend and ritual, I don't know how they could portray it in a more mundane fashion without doing the book a disservice.  These are beings that are literally over-stylized representations of human concepts.

I think the show is great, and I only liked the book, not loved it.  If it has any problems is that it has book pacing and not TV pacing which, while I am enjoying it, I think may be the main thing that pulls others out.

Ya, its interesting but I'm waiting for the fireworks factory a bit at this point.

It's odd... sometimes they seem to manipulate the size of Shadow so he looks like he's 7 feet tall instead of whatever he is.  Especially when he's in a scene with Ian McShane who is not tall but not tiny either.  Other than that strangeness, I really like this show.  Btw, I've not read the book.  Is it a book book or a comic book?

A book book.

Book book. (https://www.amazon.com/American-Gods-Tenth-Anniversary-Novel-ebook/dp/B004YW4L5K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495037202&sr=8-1&keywords=american+gods)  Neil Gaiman, not one of his best IMO but still worth the read.

Weird and funny.  I just saw in the downstairs WC a very old looking copy of this book.  I guess my bro in law was inspired by the TV series to read the book again.  I would read his copy but it's in the bathroom and he's probably touched it with bathroom hands.   :uhrr:  I'll get a Kindle copy, I think.

I distinctly remember buying the book, but apparently I never read it.

--Dave

I read it ages ago, but don't remember it well. Never got the Gaiman hype, honestly; only thing of his I really like is Good Omens and that was half Pratchett.

I thought the book is well done, but if you can get the audio book, there's a great ensemble cast reading of the anniversary edition.  The narration is top notch.

We're verging into book-spoiler territory here, so I'll desist, but one thing I do think is that we're truly missing the internal dialogue of the character of Shadow.  We're not seeing enough of HIS strangeness, since that becomes crucial later.

I'll also say that I think you're wrong here.

I'm about 15% through with the book and for all intent and purposes he is the character insert with enough inherent inertia to push the plot forward.

I think they fixed that a bit with this last episode, as well as give us a clue how they will make this into 4 seasons. If all of their "something like this had to have happened, but it wasn't in the book" padding is this good, I will have no complaints.

--Dave

Last episode was pretty good. An explanation of his wife's life and death.

My favorite part:


The only part I had an issue with:

You know, I just realised that one of the fun things about watching this is that the wife doesn't know what's going on.  She literally has no idea who Wednesday is.

I find it gigglesome.

My wife doesn't either, but she worked out Wednesday. She's always been into mythology a bit though.

My only gripe with this episode is that I don't think Emily Browning is a very good actress.

I didn't think she was a good actress until watching this episode, she knocked it out of the park.

The last epi. was a pretty brilliant piece of interpretive TV (the fly trope especially, which alleviates some concerns in this thread on what being 'dead inside' actually is).  Obviously not an epi. that is in the book, but fills in the blank spaces pretty damned well.

My biggest issue was Browning clearly not trying to be naked, even though her character is an utter phreakshow in the bed.  It was off-putting, especially knowing much of Browning's work has been in the buff.  I don't understand why they went that route.  I'm not big into nudity in film except when it would clearly push the theme/art; and in this case it would have...  especially in the funeral parlor.

Maybe they just didn't want to overdo it given the prior epis.

They either needed to show up or do a better job of making the attempts to avoid nakedness feel more natural.  It was distracting how far they went out of their way to avoid the naughty bits.

However, after 4 episodes - 3 focused on Shadow and one on her - I find her the more compelling character.  That is a problem.  Ricky Whittle just doesn't have the presence I feel this character should have.  The guy was a con man - a man that lived off his confidence game.  Yeah, he may be a bit broken by recent events, but I still expect something to pull me in to the character.  I wonder what someone like Richard Brooks (yeah - too old - but he lept to my mind as the perfect guy to be sitting at that blackjack table) or Coleman Domingo might have done with the character.  Whittle feels more like The Rock than a con man.

Frankly I think Shadow is being played perfectly.  :shrug  He's a hollow character, more just the point of narration (in the book) than anything else.  And he was always more brawn than con; with an uncanny mental capacity (that they've so far only glossed over on the show).  Wednesday is supposed to over-shadow him (pun intended) most definitely... but, as we know that changes towards the end.

Um, what ?

Can't say I remember much from the book, I read it ages ago.

But I would be surprised if I had forgotten such copious amounts of dick.

I was not prepared.

There was a lot of dick in the book actually.  Yeah.  I wasn't really prepared then either.  And then Morgan started doing it in his books and I wasn't prepared for that too.

But I respect the right to put it in.  Phrasing.

So if American Gods came out in 2001, I would have been way in my twenties and I can't believe I would have forgotten lines like these ...


Now I doubt if I read the book at all. Or were there abridged versions of it omitting these scenes and I got my hand on one of those ? I am thoroughly confused.

Also, that scene in the show was just ...  :uhrr: :ye_gods: :drill: :awesome_for_real: I don't even.  :grin:

There was a censored US version, which Gaiman has had resigned to the shredder, then an Anniversary Edition that is the "official" version. So I think it's likely that the sex scenes may have been tamer or missing in the version you read originally.

--Dave

Ha.  What a shock.

Is the show being show uncut in the US? Erect penises and all? Because that's still unusual to see on TV in the UK even.

I liked Emily Browning better in this episode, felt like she had more to get her teeth into. Her nudity in this episode does make the concerted effort to avoid it in the previous one seem odder. One problem I'm finding that I don't remember having when I read it is that there's no explanation of who the new gods are. Even just giving them a name would help. Media, for instance.

Media is never addressed as such explicitly in the book (mentioned in passing by one of the Old Gods). The only New God ever referenced by name is Technical Boy, which they reproduced almost exactly in the book. Old Gods referenced explicitly by name tend to be the more obscure ones (Anansi and Ibis are probably the best known, and even those won't ring a bell with the typical reader/viewer). Except Horus, I guess.

Wednesday is never named by his best known spelling/pronunciation until  :nda:.

--Dave

Caught up on the last two episodes. This show is so good at hooking me in. The mixing of the surreal and the mundane is outstanding.

My favorite scene in the last episode:

They are deviating quite a bit from the book, so far in a good way.  As long as they get to right ending it doesn't really matter.  I would have liked to see Laura working the graveyard shift at a quickie mart and getting fired for stinking, but that doesn't look like the plan atm.

Ahh, OK fair enough then. Been far too long since I read the book so I've forgotten all of that kind of thing.

That last line was an ad lib per Fuller's Twitter.

The show is good but if they decided to go off book and just make it the Mad Sweeney Show I would be happy with that.

Mad Sweeney and Deaf Wife are....the New Odd Couple.  Badewbadewbadew dewpadew eupadewwoo.

Better now.

While the Road Movie with is undoubtly the best part of the series right now (additionally enhanced by Salim, the gay straight man), I also liked the additon of Vulcan to the lore. That was one creepy town, and it even fits well as foreshadowing

The Saxophone.  It needs to stop.

Stop with the fucking 'moody' saxophone.  Or Trumpet.  Or whatever the fuck it is.  At the current level of annoying it may as well be a vuvuzela.

Fucking knock it off.

I watched eps 1-2 originally then 3-4 and yesterday 5-7. This last batch was by far there best. You could say a lot of snarky not nice things about why that might be and how it shows a failure of some characters versus others to be interesting/entertaining. But overall I think its a very different show that is up to something pretty cool and its enjoyable. The radio songs they pick are always great, the visuals are nutty in a way you don't get elsewhere and the story was a fun idea when I read the book and still is now. The season finale airs tonight which means there is a marathon of past eps leading up to it on starz(?) and I'm looking forward to it.

The finale was great.


I like that Dead Wife is figuring everything out and that Shadow is still so clueless. Outstanding show.

Yup, that was pretty neat.  Ending a season by

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMPAH67f4o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMPAH67f4o)

I also enjoyed all the Jesuses.  The whole party/mansion was fantastic -- I loved the touches like the stigmata cookies, really sold the idea of what a mismash of concepts she had come to represent.

I want Wednesday's suit from that ep.

"One of them's got a baby dinosaur" almost got me to spit-take.

Shadow continues to be far and away the worst thing about this show, but whatever, the rest has generally been good enough to make up for it, though treating Wednesday's name as if it was any sort of reveal sort of annoyed me, but there's enough decent halfway subtle nods to folklore in the show that I guess it averages out.

Solid B+ from me for the first season. Wasn't the vision I had in my head about what a Bryan Fuller American Gods would look like, and it's got its rough spots, but I'll miss it now that it's on inter-season hiatus.

The reveal of Wednesday's name might not have been a surprise to you, but lost of folks wouldn't figured it out on their own.  My lad made me tell her who he was a few episodes ago, otherwise it would've caught her completely by surprise.

A few episodes ago Mr World offered to nuke north korea with a weapon system called Odin as his rebranding effort for him, it wasn't even subtle.

Exactly. They made it orders of magnitude more blatant in the show than they did in the book (and it was still pretty obvious in the book if you had any interest in mythology). Ever since Lemon Scented You, it didn't even seem like it was intended to be a secret, which made the tone of the "reveal" in the last episode jarring.

Nope.

We watched that episode together and it still went over her head.  Shortly after that is when it bothered her too much and she made me tell her who he is.

Just watched the whole first season over a few days through the free 7day trial of Starz through Amazon Prime.

Not sure I like a lot of the divergent directions they have gone from the source material, the pieces close to the book have all been pretty outstanding though. And while the plot stuff that Mad Sweeney is doing in the show are pretty wildly divergent I find him to be my favorite performance in the show to date.

The divergence from the book really hurts Shadow's character development as the "Wisconsin" trip was kinda the point at which he really starts to realize there might be some supernatural shit going on and that happens very early in the book. He has met pretty much everyone already in the tv show and they haven't even made it north of Illinois.

Well crud, Fuller and Green leave as show-runners over budget/schedule issues. Likely to be a pale imitation in S2.

Well according to this article (http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/american-gods-1202626402/) the budget is already $10 million per episode so I can see why the producers might feel less than enthusiastic about increasing it.

Has Bryan Fuller ever stuck it out past the first season of a show?

Pretty sure the only other thing he left early was Dead Like Me, which was reputedly thanks to network fuckery, unless you're including things like Wonderfalls which only ever had one season to begin with (again, thanks to network fuckery)

Star Trek: Discovery, Heroes

Enh, fair I guess, but ST:D he left before it began, and he wasn't the showrunner on Heroes, which helps explain why it's so much worse than everything else he's worked on.

Things may not be as dire as we thought. Apparently, Neil Gaiman is taking over as showrunner for season two.

http://www.tv.com/news/bryan-fuller-still-involved-in-american-gods-season-2-neil-gaiman-named-showrunner-15157880950012868/ (http://www.tv.com/news/bryan-fuller-still-involved-in-american-gods-season-2-neil-gaiman-named-showrunner-15157880950012868/)

That may not be the ray of joy that you think it is.

While I'll give Seson 2 a shot, I'm not optimistic given the budget and casting issues.

Here's the trailer for season 2. I'm still optimistic on this one.

https://twitter.com/AmericanGodsSTZ/status/1048281667465404422 (https://twitter.com/AmericanGodsSTZ/status/1048281667465404422)

Here's a much longer trailer that was just released. Season 2 starts in March.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoDLnTO_dYY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoDLnTO_dYY)

Not so much a trailer as a random scene

New season started Sunday.  I'm ambivalent.  It had good momnets, but somehow it feels less than the sum of its parts.

Also, they were unsubtle with their references to Chenowith and Anderson not renewing; I'm sure somebody thought it was clever, but it felt forced.