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Kim Hakkyu, creator or Ragnarok Online, left Gravity Games back in 2002 to go make his own games. The first effort was Granado Espada (Sword of the New World), which I think was really cool, and the second one is Tree of Saviour which is the spiritual successor to Ragnarok Online that RO2 wasn't.

This is a grindfest that plays like Diablo + Final Fight + Bejeweled/Candy Crush. Sounds horrible and it probably is, unless you have some attachment to some of the common element between those games and, of course, Ragnarok Online.

Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04gGYUdJ9SM

It can be played well with a controller, but I feel that it is in mouse mode that it is the most fun: you drive around like Diablo and literally smash whatever appears on screen with the typical explosion sounds and crispy addictive sounds. The UI is extremely polished and the whole game flows extremely well. You can't really tell from the screenshots, but while this is clearly a dinosaur, it is somewhat pleasant to play.

Another element that has to be mentioned is that Tree of Saviour comes with 80 classes. You obviously unlock them as you grow, but supposedly the hardest to unlock classes aren't necessarily better than the ones you start with. It's just a matter of choices and flavour. See for yourself. (http://www.tosbase.com/game/classes/)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3584773/TREE%20Tree%20of%20Saviour%20classes.png)



The setting is Lithuanian (!) folklore, which I am pretty sure it is a first in gaming.

It is in closed beta at the moment but it is not too hard to get a key. My favourite part there is that it activates on Steam.

RO was the first MMO I played, before I even knew there's such thing as MMOs... but I'd like to think I got a clue or two about them since.

Which is to say, nope.jpg :ye_gods:

Are bunnygirls a staple of Lithuanian folklore? [themoreyouknow.jpg]

Hey, give me a break here. RO was "based on Norse folklore"  :awesome_for_real:

I might take this for a spin. How... does one get a key? :P

G2A, for the price of a bag of chips.

I've been casually keeping an eye on this. Honestly the combat doesn't look great, but the class system has a lot of snowflake potential, and the streamers I've watched seem to actually spend most of their time roaming the countryside murdering things instead of tracking quest givers and going through house-decorating tutorials and interpreting poorly-documented currency systems and all the other bullshit that I expect from an MMO. "Not being filled with diversionary wank" is all it takes to pique my interest anymore, apparently.

The combat isn't as bad as it looks. It is an EXTREMELY watered down version of Diablo (not sure if it changes over the course of the 600 [six hundred] levels available in the game) but as such it is pretty relaxing and pleasant. It plays slightly better than it looks though and it makes you feel overpowered as you'd expect from any hack 'n slash. It helps that all enemy attacks are avoidable, meaning you can just move away from their attack animmation or their telegraph and dodge pretty much alla damage. That feels nice and keeps things alive.

Yesterday I changed my first class, from Swordswoman to Highlander, and after being greeted by a whole bunch of new skills I can spend points on (while still being able to use the old ones) I realized what the insanity of almost 70 classes actually means. In a good and bad way.

As I said, it's incredibly retrograde but addictive and a lovely thing to play while watching something else on another screen, or listening to radio dramas, talking on the phone, etc. Access to the beta is "for sale" for about 2$ and as much as I think this game is somewhat ridiculous and a time-space anomaly, that's possibly the best use I've ever made of 2$. It has already swallowed 8 hours of my time, 8 hours I didn't even think I had.

What's  the download footprint on this thing?  Mildly tempted to give it a whirl, but I really dont want to drop 10+ gig to install it (if it is anything like most other mmo's out there), as I am currently sharing the internet connection of the folks I am renting off of, and they get annoyed when I rape their monthly cap.

It takes 6 Gb on disk once installed, and the download was pretty much the same size.

I see they have appeared to cut to the chase and just made everyone a female character.

Hehe, no. You can pick. No gender locked classes.


EDIT: Most recent trailer. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sayYpOhqJXg)

Is the $2 beta one where they are wiping after it ends? When is release?

No one knows when it's going to release. The game is in closed beta in Korea too, so it's probably gonna be a while. And I don't know if they are gonna wipe, but I would think so. They are probably not gonna wipe after Open Beta, but after Closed? I hope so. Also, the keys price has raised to about 5$ apparently.

They also said anyone actually selling the keys is doing so illegally, so you're funding someone other than the company making the game there.

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/announcement-on-commercial-activities-with-beta-keys/74885 (https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/announcement-on-commercial-activities-with-beta-keys/74885)

It looks fun but I'd rather wait until it's properly released or at least in Open Beta. Not for any reason related to the ethics of buying illegal keys, but because I don't want to start over from scratch when they wipe all the data.

This is open for purchase on Steam now. The business plan is weird: the game is gonna be free to play... in a month. You can pay for a MONTH long headstart (which begins March 29th) or just get in for free on April 29th. For sale are packages ranging from 10 to 50$ with varying amounts of RMT coins and decor items.

Anyway, it's up for purchase now. Playable in a week. Free to play in 5 weeks. And it is a lot of fun if you are into these kind of games.

I'll be picking it up, I've been needing something new to play.

Say more about this game, please.  Just today I dl'd and started playing Asta, a very Asian looking mmorpg.  For some reason I've always been attracted to Asian MMOs.  I even played Lineage for about two years back in the olden days... well, until I couldn't face going into the Ant Cave even one more time.  Asta took most of the Asian out and replaced it with WoW.  I'm not sure if that's good or bad, at least for me.  The tutorial really makes you feel like a baby gamer, even more so than WoW.  Since there are two factions, I'm guessing there is some PvP around here somewhere.  It's a very lonely game, though, so I may never find out.  I might actually be the only semi-living person on the NA server.   :ye_gods:  Still, this Tree game is about as adorable looking as a game can get.  I'm also very attracted to adorable.

All I can tell you is that it is ridiculously adorable. Everything is. The visuals, the sound department, the combat, the million classes, the vastity of the world. It's a constant grind in the sense the Diablo is: you just go where the monsters are and kill billions of them until they give you what you want. Minus the loot of course, here you fight for XP so you can unlock other classes (there's about 80 apparently, including SECRET ones) so keep that into account. But if you are into the art style and an active grind this game is somehow soothing and relaxing and blissful as a cherry flavoured hard drug.

Falconeer,

Will I like this and if so, should I get one of the early access packages? As in, are they worth it?

I like diablo, hacking, and slashing and loot.

As usual, Schild: "Loot sucks in this game". At least for your rightfully high standards. Sorry.
About the early access packages, depends if you want to get in at the beginning of the game and with a fresh server for 10 dollars, or you are OK coming in 30 days after everyone else for free. I think you also get some Money Credit with the preorders, but I have no idea what you can buy with it. Probably some I-Win-Potion. Which is not that relevant after all cause, you know, loot sucks in this game.
Hacking and slashing? There's an infinite amount of that and it's quite hypnotizing, but it's in slow motion compared to a Diablo.

I think you should give it a try in a month when it goes free.

Loot sucks leaves me out of it. Thank you sir.

Edit: Actually looking at it, why does loot suck?

Because it's not Diablo nor Hellgate London and not even something as basic as The Division or Auto Assault ( :why_so_serious: ). Loot stats are not randomly generated, hence, it sucks.

So, you're saying I hit X level and I just buy what i need or I have to grind bosses to get it?

Uuuhhh I don't know I haven't progressed that much. I am pretty sure grind is the keyword here though. There's, I think, 500 levels.

And here's an item database you can check for yourself. Use the tabs at the top to see the different weapon categories.

http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/equipment/

I mean, there's 8 pages of gloves. So while it may not be random, there's certainly more loot than Diablo, which has like, 50 gloves, tops. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's right. I already gave them my ten euros a week ago, but if I didn't that page would have just convinced me too.

Buh. I bought it.

This game deserves an f13 Guild. How else are we gonna do the party-only bosses?

Do it.  I'll see you in April.

So I can do the $10 package and play starting tomorrow? 

Yes.

God help me, I use to make fun of my roommate for playing Ragnarok online back in the day.  But this honestly looks and sounds exactly like the type of thing I want to play right now.

Got a pack, guess I'll see how it is tomorrow.  Anybody got a link to a decent guide that explains how leveling/advancement works?

Sadly, I don't. I am taking it lightly and I want to discover things as they come. Schild on the other hand has probably already researched everything that needs to be known. He should share the knowledge.

I haven't researched shit.

Let's pray respecs are a thing then.

I have a respec token with the pack I bought ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

When does this thing go up anyway? There's no countdown on the steam page anymore.

Edit: [Founder's Server Details] Open : 2 a.m. EDT on the 29th of March, 2016.

Gross.

Yeah, looks like respec is something you buy in the cash shop.  Which makes sense for a F2P game.

Man, to bad I have to work today.  Game went live at 9 AM Russian time.  Would have been perfect!

CHOMPING AT THE BIT!

Never mind, glad I had to work!   :awesome_for_real:

They have 6 more hours to get things up and running!

It's working. But there are two servers. Mind if I pick one for everybody since apparently I'm the first one to create a character?


EDIT: I created on the ORSHA server. Is that OK? Make it OK, OK please and thank you?

Note, that there is only two servers, Orsha and Klaipeda. And when you select a server, then you select a starting city for your character and the cities are named.... Orsha and Klaipeda. Duh....
So, if in doubt, create everything on Orsha and ignore anything named Klaipeda.

Orsha is a lot easier to type, so I'm fine with that.

I believe that all of us who got founders packs can eventually get a free server transfer also, in case people have a hard time reading and get dispersed when this goes F2P.

Edit:  Does it matter which starting city we pick?

Yes, every founder pack comes with ONE free server transfer, it is stated in the FAQs. And about the starting city, I can't really answer that as we didn't have a choice in the beta so I have no idea!

It's not letting us make an account on Orsha. Just woke up :/

I happened to check late-ish last night and saw they had pushed back the server opening by 4 hours.

As of right now (8:00am PST) the server list is up but, as Schild mentioned, nothing much seems to happening when you try and log in.  If you sit at the server selection screen you will eventually be logged in after 4-5 minutes.

And from light browsing around the offical forums/reddit: unofficially Fedimian is the EU choice and Orsha is the Brazilian players go-to.  I'm going to try Klaipeda just from process of elimination.

Oh man, fuck Brazil. Klaipeda it is.

Which I also can't get into.

I'm not going to give them my tenner until at least SOMEONE I know is able to get in.   :ye_gods:

Edit:  There seems to be some sort of fix on Steam for this.  Let us know if anyone tries it. 

I was able to get past the server selection, pick a "family name", pick a character class and name it.  Then when you actually click play a queue kicks in.  I was position 318 in the queue and from the time of my last post (8:01am PST) until now (8:21am)I moved to  278.  I have a free day off today, but I think I'll circle back to this later.  I can go back to being confused in BDO for an hour or so.

What fix?

If you had no server list displayed there are some files to download and manually add to your game folder - the other is some kind of text display error in-game, same process to fix.

I just (literally, 5 seconds ago) came home, launched the game, and entered with zero problems. Could it be because I created my family earlier this morning? Anyway, I am in and with no apparent issue.

I made my character. Yay. Or something. 1000something in queue.

The fix, here. (http://steamcommunity.com/games/372000/announcements/detail/870692503331678695)

So, are we officially going  Klaipeda now, since we apparently hate Brazilians?

Edit:  Ah, hours long queues.  Haven't been there for opening day of an MMO for a good long time.  This game is throwback old school is so many different ways!

I'm playing a swordsman on Orsha. The lag is pretty brutal right now though.

Down to only 300'th in line after 1.5 hours!   :awesome_for_real:

On the plus side, I see I already have a "were soooorry, heres some free shit" email full of items that I have no idea wtf they do.  I expect more to follow!

I really wonder this queue thing. Why did I skip the queue?

Anyway, this is IMPORTANT! for those who didn't try the beta, first thing to do as soon as you get in the game is to go into settings and switch to MOUSE controls. Or joypad controls. They are both leagues better than the default ones if you ask me.

Still begs the question, am I logging into the right server?  What server are all of you jumping into?

Something is wrong with your connection/account. My other friend from Italy purchased the game 5 minutes ago and logged in right away just now. No queue at all. Server Orsha. Hard to miss it with only 3.

As of 11:25am PST the server selection and lobby login seems to be moving along just fine now.  On KLAIPEDA though the current queue is 1600+.

I think something may have happened.  I came back to find that I had been booted out to the login screen.  Logged back in, and made it into the game almost instantly.

Also, I'm really confused as to what server we are all on.  I know you said Orsha, but schild and others made it sound like they weren't doing that one, so I had been trying to get into Klaipeda.

Oh? If Schild changed his mind, I didn't get a memo   :uhrr:
I also hope he didn't since Klaipeda is fucked for no good reason.

EDIT: I read his previous post about it just now. Oh well.

The control in this game is garage.

I'm on Klaipeda with the wife. Getting angrier and angrier that we don't have mouse movement as an option. Or Mouse attack. Why deviate from the Diablo control scheme. Damnit.

?!? Mouse movement and attack are there! Just check the settings. "UI Mode". Or am I drunk?

Apparently neither Schild nor Falconeer are reading each others posts.   :awesome_for_real:

Schild, go into settings and change the controls to "Mouse".  Becomes similar to diablo.

Got it. UI mode, mouse. Yeesh.

Can also confirm that Orsha has instant access, while Klepidadfdada has a huge ass queue.

I didn't see the $10 option, or I think I'd be in this mess with you guys.  Get it sorted out and I'll see you in April.

It's fucked because Orsha is the server Brazilians picked to invade, which is why everyone else is trying to get onto Klaipeda because fuck BR's.

Also, does it matter what character I use to collect my founder pack goodies?  Can I give them to another character later on if I want to?

I'm able to get right in on Klaipeda but the in game lag is extreme - you can't interact with quest NPC's, pick rewards, pick up quest item drops, and so forth.  This isn't just happening to me.  Many players are sounding off in chat that none of the NPC's are able to be interacted with.

Glad I decided to wait on this. Game looks good but I'm not missing the MMO launch day bullshit.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but my experience on Orsha is flawless. Too bad you guys freaked out over nothing (Brasilian?). I will eventually use a server transfer token to get where you all are in the near future, but at the moment I am happy to play on the no-queue no-lag server.

Been thinking about picking this up. Where did everyone land?

Hey guys?  I'd like to say something without sounding like a dick.  Not sure if that's possible.  What's the appeal of this game?  It looks like jank incarnate.  Can a brotha get a link or a tl;dr paragraph explaining the promise of this game please (I'm aware of the irony involved in light of my recent posts)?

It's Nostalgia + Polish. Something similar to what happens with Final Fantasy XIV. This has better combat than that one though. Diablo-ish combat vs EQ-ish combat. So, million mobs. Pixel carnage feels good.

I didn't have any problems on Klaipeda, either.  Anyway, my Team name is Resser and I made one of each starting class, Ginaz (swordsman), Gramaton (cleric), Lolipalooza (wizard) and Hellica (archer).  Not sure which one I'm going to main yet since I've only played a little bit with the wizard.

I'll see how it is tonight, but I spent las night on Orsha (which had almost no issues) because Kleiprsshse was impossible to get into.  So probably in same boat as Falc.

Though, does it matter at all what server Brazilians are on?  It's a PvE game (with just some arena PvP).....

Brazilians are all over both North American servers, so it pretty much doesn't matter at this point regardless.

Black Desert having server issues right when I'm feeming for some MMOishness is to blame for this purchase.  F13 is on Orsha (for the next month) is the consensus then?

What are the movement and combat controls for this game? Is it mouse driven?

It looks like controller is optimal, but keyboard is possible.  When you try mouse it says it may not be possible for swordsman or cleric, so I'm going to say mouse is not really an option.

Err, Mouse seemed to work just fine when I was playing around with swordsman.....

Got into Klaipedia last night without any queues, though lag was still annoying.  Finally settled on going archer.  Leveled up till I got a few levels into ranger.  After combat started out a bit slow, things really picked up, and I had a lot of fun running around massacring millions of cute little monsters.

Not that it matters.  Going on vacation for two weeks to Japan tomorrow.  Guess I'll see what the state of things is upon my return.   :awesome_for_real:

I've played all four classes to the mid teens with k&m, and it works just fine.  Maybe at some later point there's something that might make it problematic, but I can't think of what it'd be.  I did try it with my controller, and it worked well enough, but you still need to use the F1 to Fx keys to open the character sheet, etc. unless I missed something.

Ive tried keyboard, mouse, and controller schemes while playing an archer up to ~50. For me, controller works best for archer. Im having fun poking around and feel my $10 was worth it. Strongly recommend once it goes free to play, probably worth it now at $10 level if you are interested and looking for a game to play.

Anyone else having performance issues? I was getting 20-25 fps just running around in the starter area; I did this (https://www.reddit.com/r/treeofsavior/comments/3qhwtq/ways_to_increase_performance/cwff4tu) and now my FPS counter is fine in the field (~70) but the graphics still stutter constantly. Crowded areas still drop me to <30 fps as well. GeForce 650 Ti with latest drivers.

My FPS is usually around 60 but there is a lot of lag.  I read somewhere that the gold spammers shouting in general chat non-stop can cause that, esp. in highly crowded areas like the cities.

An impressive guide with a lot of clarifications and obscure formulas.

https://github.com/vyne1/tos-mechanics/blob/master/ToS%20Mechanics.pdf


EDIT: Try to use a skill builder/planner like this (http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/) because apparently when you commit to a class you can't go back to previous classes. While you can reset (for money) your attribute points, you can't revert to classes you have left behind. As a result, as they say: "if you sniff, you can destroy your character". Considering the time investment, I'd say you really don't want to destroy your character.

I've got my Hoplite to 115 now. Tried to do the 115 dungeon but the dungeons really don't work unless you get lucky and it lets you through. I think I'll take a break for a short bit while they fix their servers. I hope they've got it sorted out by the end of the month when the F2P horde rolls in.

I keep reading in chat about broken dungeons. What kind of broken? You can't get inside?

Just bought into this. Presentation is top-notch, but I joined the SEA server to avoid killer lag. So ronery :-(.

Also my name was taken. And my backup name. Balls.

You can use the search function to auto-find a party, but once you find one it will kick you back to the login screen. If you form a party manually and try to enter it will also kick you back to the login screen. It's been broken for a few days now but you can get in if you just enter -> get kicked -> log in -> enter repeat for a long time until you get lucky and it goes through. That's how I did the level 90 dungeon but I didn't have the same luck with the 115. I've heard that the party leader has to enter first but that could be superstitious bullshit, and I've also heard that there can only be a certain amount of dungeons open at one time, but I have a feeling that's bullshit too. Honestly I have no clue what's up with their servers. But they are doing some scheduled maintenance tomorrow so perhaps it will be fixed then.

Also a PSA about names, the one that matters is your Team Name. If you want to whisper someone you /w Team Name and the name that shows on the left when you're in a party is also the Team Name. Actually I'm not even sure how you view someone's character name unless you inspect them, maybe. Also typing /indun will give you a list of Dungeons/Missions and how many daily entries you have left. Also, you drop all your gems when you die so either socket them in something or put them in storage when you're in town.

Interesting thing I didn't know. The XP curve has some "resting places". It's like, every x levels there's a drop in XP needed to level up, to break the impossible grind and give players a chance to take a breath. Interesting concept, basically a psychological trick, and the OPPOSITE of McQuaid's Hell Levels from EverQuest.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3584773/TREE%20xp%20curve2.jpg)

Nice, thanks for that. I remember using an EXP card and getting 2 levels at once, leaving me wondering what the hell happened. Those falls also pretty closely coincide with when you max class level and choose a new one. 45~ you're choosing your third, 85~ you're choosing your 4th, and I'm about on track to get my 5th around ~130. It shouldn't be too farfetched to assume I'll get my 6th around 183.

You guys shoulda followed Falc onto his server. That one has been much more stable (and it has less load).

I am on Orsha.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Being patched right now.

https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=314

50% spawn rate increase in all zones!
Level 40* threshold to use megaphone (to kill goldsellers)
Some dungeon reset scrolls as a compensation for the previous days' instability.


*EDIT: Level 40, not level 4.

Was sort of scratching my head at that considering level 4 is about two minutes of work before actually clicking through the link and seeing it's 40, which seems like a good change.

Glad to see the spawn rate increasing also, though it feels like all of the major farming areas are pretty much insta-killed as soon as they pop anyway (at least if you can't find a low population channel), so it'll help, but there'll still be thumb twiddling.

Being the tank blows in dungeons. My gear is always broken before we get to the end of the dungeon. Tanking the boss consists of using your taunt then frantically running around trying not to get hit because they one shot you. Maybe I just suck but I die a lot (and get to miss out on the loot afterward when it forcibly removes you from the dungeon 20 seconds after the boss dies, woohoo!).

Hum. While using Keyboard controls, you can just press space to talk/interact with environment objects. With mouse-control, this is infinitely more difficult sometimes, since there is no telling where you have to click the mouse to interact with certain environment objects. Like crystals in the crystal mine. Why can't I have both of these methods combined? Gahh!

Edit: Ahh, Reddit (http://"https://www.reddit.com/r/treeofsavior/comments/4dg7nd/keyboard_shortcut_to_talk_to_npcs/") to the rescue.
Open hotkey_mousemode_user.xml (I found mine in SteamApps\common\TreeOfSavior\release\ folder), add the following line somewhere:
Replace Key="F" with whatever key you want to use.

The reddit user who suggested this also gave a warning though:

Aforementioned performance issues are completely gone with the patch. Now getting a silky 80-100 FPS in most places, never below 40, with no stuttering whatsoever. Having a lot of fun with Grinding Optimization Simulator 2016, just sad that it didn't come out when I had more time to play it.

This pretty much perfectly encapsulates how I feel about this game. Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying it for what it is, but I'm curious. Is there actually any challenge here anywhere? I have yet to have both sufficient free time and patience for humanity at the same time to attempt the group content. What are the dungeons like?

I am level 48 so two levels away from the level 50 dungeon. Looking forward to it although I am not expecting much. From what I could tell, there are at the moment 12 instanced dungeons. The first requires you and your party to be at least level 50, meaning you can't even get in if you aren't, and can only be completed twice a day (three if you are a subscriber). Not sure what to expect, but I have heard people talking about taunt, tanks, and so on. We'll report when I get there, even though I am sure someone else here already did one so they could be the ones reporting.

What's the challenge in this game? I ask myself the same question over and over, while I am mindlessly grinding not even questioning why I am having "a good time", if not fun. I suppose the need for an answer is a thing of the 2010s though, as we used to play these games and roll on this treadmills in the past without trying to find too much of a meaning. Hell, what are Diablo or Marvel Heroes for anyway?

Anyway, there seems to be a big amount of zones to explore and things get harder and harder. So I would think that the catch lies in the little numbers going up, as for all the other games of this kind, be it level, class level, DPS and whatnot. The additional draw is getting more classes, and maybe seeing more enemies and more of the world. Without forgetting, of course, getting the rarest weapons in the process. Getting a named purple shield felt amazing a few nights ago. We are still slaves to that.
  

Nuts. I got bored of the game. Not enough of a challenge and I looked up all the future classes, but nothing really seems to match my playstyle. I usually prefer hybrid magic / mêlée characters.